View Full Version : what do you think of the new rules for racing?!!penalties???
so what do you think of the new rules for racing!!!
what penalties what what?
such fun??:p
Howler
07-10-2012, 04:37 PM
Its a great idea, things ran really smoothly today. Those who got penalties will now realise we're serious about it, so you have to be out to marshal on time.
Si Coe
07-10-2012, 04:43 PM
We've had a lot of complaints and this was the solution.
First and most importantly we need to streamline the racing day and make Rog's job easier. That means setting the race control software to auto
Far too many people being very slow to get out to marshal - most races end up with all the drivers on the grid and no marshals. Putting the timing on auto actually makes things worse, because the race starts before the marshals turn up, so some sort of penalty is needed.
The flipside is that absent or poor quality marshalling has lead to some rather colourful words being yelled from the rostrum. We are a family club in a public place and as such that can't be permitted. It doesn't mean you can't call Budfish a C**t to his face, just don't yell it from the rostrum.
The final one is probably my fault - when I ran the meeting a couple of weeks back I got so fed up of the moaning, whinging and gripeing of some people I nearly packed up and went home ending the meeting. Race control can be bloody hard at times (when stuff isn't working) but without it no racing happens. It might be frustrating that its missed your laps but shouting at the guy frantically trying to locate the problem doesn't help.
However there is an upside, in theory at least. If everyone is out to marshal quickly, does it well and stays calm we can squeeze an extra round of racing into the day by removing dead time. Thats got to be better.....
losichris
07-10-2012, 04:59 PM
Yep miles better with the penalties!! was very well ran today.
I always go straight out for marshalling no matter what, so im pleased this has been brought in.
Well done guys
coleman758
07-10-2012, 05:07 PM
I'd also like to point out, no one is exempt from this!
I got penalised for being abit late back out.
The day ran pretty well, my "brief" drivers briefing seemed to help.
When everyone eventually came.
Please guys the briefing is for you so make the effort to be there.
Nothing more annoying than people asking questions that had always been answered, they just couldn't be bothered to listen.
But yea all in all very happy!
i also think today went well, and think its fair to turn up for marshelling as every one who races needs marshells!! think it is a very fair way of doing this, for everyone-we all want to get back and tweak and mend etc but this makes it fair.
budfish
07-10-2012, 06:16 PM
I really hope you lot get this marshalling issue sorted there's nothing worse than bad or poor marshalling its what visitors always seem to remember"POOR MARSHALLING"
Get it sorted lads it needs to pe spot on
Then again a few faces I haven't seen at the club before which is only a good thing
Saw a lad at the club today he's called Phil I know him from Rochdale and if he starts spend and tweaking on his toy car as he used to with a real car you will all be in trouble.
Keep it up lads
Regards
Buds
Si Coe
07-10-2012, 06:40 PM
Though I should point out the last visitor to complain about poor marshalling was in fact chatting on the phone when it was his turn.
Experience has shown that those who moan are normally the worst culprits!
Big Show
07-10-2012, 07:05 PM
Had a good days racing today. The new race format seemed to work very well, with race control on Auto and penalties being handed out for late or not marshalling. Hopefully Rogers job was easier today. Marshalling is one of the major things we have to address as Budfish said it is what visiting drivers remember. Hopefully these measures will address this and draw in new drivers as they apply to everyone. the track was a good mix today for both 2 and 4wd and the long straight worked well with no incidents, so well done Roger for a well designed track. Thanks to the drivers/members who stayed behind to help put the track away.
all in all excellent day.
Darren Wales
07-10-2012, 07:10 PM
Seems you all had a good days racing.
Matt, we will probably have to set a time for the briefing on either a week basis, say on here by Sat or we have a set time for briefing and then racing to start. It's clear with a little bit of discipline the majority benefit.
In response to the opening question. PENALTIES are needed and work.
speak soon.
Darren
budfish
07-10-2012, 07:17 PM
In response to the opening question. PENALTIES are needed and work.
speak soon.
Darren
Ha ha what about repeat offenders ?
matt76
07-10-2012, 07:27 PM
I also thought today's racing went really well but maybe a mention in the next Driver Briefing about the quality and enthusiasm of the marshalling, some of us where running about as fast as possible trying to get the cars back in the race while some took about 5 minutes to even notice your buggy had crashed, then just took a leisurely walk over to it, maybe put a sticker on the poor marshell's car then if there's crash don't rush to over turn it !
Just an Idea:)
Maddy
07-10-2012, 07:41 PM
I also thought today's racing went really well but maybe a mention in the next Driver Briefing about the quality and enthusiasm of the marshalling, some of us where running about as fast as possible trying to get the cars back in the race while some took about 5 minutes to even notice your buggy had crashed, then just took a leisurely walk over to it, maybe put a sticker on the poor marshell's car then if there's crash don't rush to over turn it !
Just an Idea:)
Like it :D
Good day all in all but like matts just said i had a marshall stood in front of my car and he was to busy looking over the other side of the track to notice my car :eh?:
tisher
07-10-2012, 07:46 PM
I also thought today's racing went really well but maybe a mention in the next Driver Briefing about the quality and enthusiasm of the marshalling, some of us where running about as fast as possible trying to get the cars back in the race while some took about 5 minutes to even notice your buggy had crashed, then just took a leisurely walk over to it, maybe put a sticker on the poor marshell's car then if there's crash don't rush to over turn it !
Just an Idea:)
I had this a few weeks ago leading the A final I caught a white sand bag that was just of the table top at the bottom of the straight.. My fault but took 45 secs to be marshalled and alot of shouting lost me a lap an a bit.. So then could not catch the lead and ended up 5th. But I have now excepted the fact this happens all the time at club meets any where you go. So your better just cruising round the track than beating your pb because club meet marshalling is pants to say the least
im new to this and always try and get to the cars as quick as possible but i dont think that any one trys to take their time or to slow any one down-i find it hard some times as you cant keep your eyes on all the cars at the same time-i had one today were i looked away for a sec and was shouted at(didnt mind tho) and the car had crashed-just saying it can be hard thats all. also some members are not as fast as others-some lads are well fast but others just are not.
tisher
07-10-2012, 08:05 PM
its one of the main things I have taught my lad when racing you always go out to marshall and always do it 100% I have done a few decent race events this year and never seen any one having an issue at any of them
i think its only fair to give it 100% but not every one is fast. what do we do if someone is slow? i think shouting is ok as long as it kept nice. or we could only put lads on that are fast? think we need to sort it, if members are getting p ed off. any ideas?
matt76
07-10-2012, 08:17 PM
im new to this and always try and get to the cars as quick as possible but i don't think that any one trys to take their time or to slow any one down-i find it hard some times as you cant keep your eyes on all the cars at the same time-i had one today were i looked away for a sec and was shouted at(didn't mind tho) and the car had crashed-just saying it can be hard that's all. also some members are not as fast as others-some lads are well fast but others just are not.
I'm new to this too, and I'm not having a go,and i know that every one is not as fast, Its just we where warned not to have a go and shout at any marshal's (which I agree), so that's why I think there should be a fair way to penalise marshal's who are just not even trying, its ok turning up on time but then at least pay attention and give 100%, just makes for fairer racing :)
coleman758
07-10-2012, 08:20 PM
If anyone has an issue with a marshal let race control know, or come and see me. We can penalise marshals just as we can drivers!
It's abit late to tell us now...
i think shouting is ok as long as it not aggressive !!! just shouting marshall and maybe pointing is fine.???
Maddy
07-10-2012, 08:28 PM
Roger told us to shout the marshalls name so i did this about 5 times and he still was oblivious,he got there eventually.
so shout the number then of the cone the marshell is stood at? im new but think we can sort it. this thread is a good way of sorting things!
Maddy
07-10-2012, 08:45 PM
I know your new mate but you will get to know everybody's name at the track soon enough so shouting there name has to be the easiest way surely.
budfish
08-10-2012, 08:46 AM
im new to this and always try and get to the cars as quick as possible but i dont think that any one trys to take their time or to slow any one down-i find it hard some times as you cant keep your eyes on all the cars at the same time-i had one today were i looked away for a sec and was shouted at(didnt mind tho) and the car had crashed-just saying it can be hard thats all. also some members are not as fast as others-some lads are well fast but others just are not.
The whole idea is to spread the marshals throughout the track. positioning marshals at flash points I.e. sleeping police and the table top where rollovers are most likely to happen.
The marshals should just marshal their area primarily but also keep an eye on the marshals either side of you and if either marshals are dealing with a bump and another happens then help out but return to your own marshal point
I think the problem might be you get marshalled badly in your heat your hardly going to be enthusiastic to Marshall the next.
Darren Wales
08-10-2012, 06:59 PM
The whole idea is to spread the marshals throughout the track. positioning marshals at flash points I.e. sleeping police and the table top where rollovers are most likely to happen.
The marshals should just marshal their area primarily but also keep an eye on the marshals either side of you and if either marshals are dealing with a bump and another happens then help out but return to your own marshal point
I think the problem might be you get marshalled badly in your heat your hardly going to be enthusiastic to Marshall the next.
This is what i was about to type so thanks Buds for saving me the time.
Marshalling tips as above.
A good marshal will look at the track area. :thumbsup:
A bad marshal will follow a cars progress around the track! :thumbdown:
Speed is relative. Take care not to crash and no marshal needed. :)
Crash and the marshal should take care to return your car onto its wheels. :blush:
Lets not get too worked up about this. The point of penalties is to stop the repeat offenders and also to teach those who need help to learn.
Darren
Chris Elworthy
09-10-2012, 09:05 AM
I've also been frustrated at the quality of the marshalling since my return to racing. Admittedly it's my fault when I put the car on its roof but find myself constantly calling to Marshalls for attention, often still followed by a slow amblE to the car. I would say I marshall well choosing to run to the cars but is annoying when people do not return the favour.
People texting or on their phone whilst marshalling for me should be an instant penalty, this is unacceptable on my book.
More structure and standards at club meetings would improve the experience for all.
In the defense of many new racers they may not be aware of marshalling standards so advising them is important.
Chris
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