Which Touring Car ?

[andys]

I'm thinking about getting a Tourer to race at Garforth over the winter again.
Last time I had an Xray T1R, and very good it was too.

As i'm only a casual racer, what would be a good car to go for this time around. Also what tyres / motor etc do most people run at garforth ?

Ideally I want a car that's popular, and one that Bally keeps spares for if I prang it. Any reccomendations appreciated as i've lost touch with the Touring Car world.

Ta.

[jimmy]

As you know andy (and probably whats prompted you back onto the touring thing) I was looking at the T2r and the HotBodies cyclone S, both quite cheap.

thread here
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1102


That Tamiya TA05 they talked about actually looks pretty darn good, just not sure about getting spares locally or getting a setup for them etc, might not be that popular at garforth.

[andys]

Cheers Jimmy.

I couldn't remember the name of the Cyclone Car. Looks ok i suppose, not sure about plastic shocks !

I think I might go with the Xray, the T1R I had was bullet proof, the build quality was amazing, so I might stick with what I know unless there's something better ?

I really enjoyed running the T1R, so am looking forward to getting a TC again.
Where you getting your Jimmy ?

Andy.

[jimmy]

not sure yet mate, still not even decided on cars!
The Xray looks very nice indeed - I am a sucker for those moulded chassis tho, not sure why.
I'd prefer to have same car as you so if you do get the t2r let me know - might not get the same but it would be useful for us amateurs to stick together I guess.

[andys]

Just had a 'sniff' around on the web to see whats around. I remember almost buying a Corally Assasin when I got the T1R, but it was a bit expensive at the time, around 400 notes I think !

They do one called the RDX now, which looks like a very nicely engineered bit of kit. Modeltech.co.uk have some bizarre RC Labs cars on offer at the moment, which look very well, if not over engineered ?

I'm going to mull it over, might be worth getting the full fat Xray 07 I think it's called, I remember buying a one way diff for the T1R that cost a packet, so it might be more cost effective to go straight for the 'proper' model.

Now i've had a look a the cyclone, I reckon it looks a bit cheap ? The Xray T2R looks much more professional for the same cash ?

Anyhow, let me know if you order owt Jimmy.

[jimmy]

I like the look of that tamiya ta05 thing, but by the time you add a oneway, proper shocks and cvd's it starts to get a bit silly money for a plastic car.

[BenG]

not sure yet mate, still not even decided on cars!


Give Micheal a ring at his modelshop, MB models ltd 0113 2603330 he'll sort you out matey:D

Also, DONT GET AN RDX i did, and it was uber fast, great handling, very fast car, but as a club racer it borke too much, and its very weak

[jimmy]

I still like the look of that HB andy but its certainly a long way behind the Xray in terms of quality bits, shoddy pressed motor mount and stuff, bah.

[jimmy]

Last time I saw any touring racing, people seemed to be using spools up front rather than oneways, is that still pretty popular ??
I've never used a one way in a touring car.

[BenG]

Jimmy, if you are getting the Xray T2R for garforth, you'll be best using a spool, and use the highest roll centre at the front, lowest at the rear ( micheal ball gave me those tips lOL)

[vader]

Can Garforth Touring Car Club have it's own thread section, jim?

[jimmy]

Tbh I'm not sure there would be enough use in it mate, Garforth have a good site already with their own forum so not sure it would get used enought to be worth the extra clutter.

Perhaps I should change this to a more general touring section though rather than just a Batley touring section since its little-used by batley tourers. ?

[Rob Fitzgerald]

Please don't do a touring car section Jimmy :(

Thats what I like about this place - I can get away from TCs for a few minutes each day :D

[Bathy]

Was there a typo in the title of this post... Did you mean 'Why touring cars?'

[andys]

Was there a typo in the title of this post... Did you mean 'Why touring cars?'

No it wasn't a typo. I enjoyed racing touring cars a couple of years ago and am looking forward to having another bash.

Shame people don't just embrace the rc hobby as a whole rather than taking sides, after all it's in need of new members in both buggies and tourers in our region.

Back onto topic, what kind of tyres are run at GTCC these days ?

Looking very much like an Xray T2R for me Jimmy, might go visit Bally on Friday after work ! Quite looking forward to painting a tourer shell again, so much space !

[jimmy]

Jonny aird runs a Xray again I think, bally might too I think, so it's the car to have I guess over there.
I don't want to spend too much so still looking.

[vader]

andy, it's 19t Spec Motors and usually vtec 24r slicks (with additive if you want)

yep see Bally, he'll give you the low down.

the closest racing I've done in ages! Even got Craig Collinson racing us with his yokomo bx a few weeks back!!

Darth

[jimmy]

his yokomo BX ? :eek:

and doing what ? driving over everyone else ?

[buzz]

no, driving into them and broke a wheel off and went home early hehe lol :D

but yeah, back onto the subject, my input to this thread is x ray is the way forward, great quality and very fast :D ;)

btw jimmy u got a pm ;)

[andys]

Just spoke to Bally at MB, aparently the T2R's are like rocking horse s**t, so no chance of getting one until a couple of months time !

Might wait till I get back from my Hols, Bally said it's really the one to go for.

[jimmy]

yea Ive been looking around and its november at modelsport I think also. I guess a similar story everywhere.

Its actually cheaper than the hotbodies car I was looking at - indeed with the needed hopups its cheaper than the tamiya too I guess.

[footey]

just looked on ebay and theres a xray t2r new 139.99 plus postage 7.50 its in linconshire

[andys]

Can't find it ?

Must have being sold ?

If not, can you post the link, ta.

Andy.

Hotbodies, plastic cyclone looks like it may be the way to go then ? jimmy ?

[footey]

has been sold sorry m8

[ashleyb4]

Tc4 FT really nice car. Proberly better than a plastic cyclone. And admit you love AE Jimmy.

Here are some pics of mine.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7765/cimg1623xo9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8751/cimg1622af1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7249/cimg1625ii0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


A:D

[andys]

Anything from AE with an 'FT' after it's name = expensive !

I fancy something that's not too expensive as i'll only be racing at GTCC.

[BenG]

go with a T2R or a cyclone r then;)

[ashleyb4]

No it doesnt it means wonderful peice of engernering. (cant spell) World Champions Drive AE.

A

[jimmy]

The hotbodies "looks" a bit cheap compared to the Xray which is actually cheaper to buy at the places Ive looked.
The hotbodies looks no better made than my MR4TC-custom. Which was 100quid including a shell, new.

[andys]

Does anyone know anything about the RC Labs Cars ?

They are for sale on Modeltech's website and they look very well engineered ?

Ta.

[jimmy]

Are they on sale because they are old ? or ?

I remember seeing the RC Labs cars on their site but it was years ago, not really heard much about them for a good while, they look nice I guess.

[footey]

ive run them and i really liked the cars i started racing buggy now but i am thinking of a tc again and i would buy a lab cheers

[jimmy]

Andy just bought a T2R this morning, so looks like thats the way to go.

[BenG]

yeah, go with a T2R, I tried my T2 on satuday, and despite the 8t motor strapped in, and my 6 month absence from racing, it never broke. Unlike my RDX.......

Also, TBH, I threw it together, and rushed it, so set-up was pretty crap LOL ( i.e. toe in one side, toe-out the other) but it still turned over 20 laps, not bad due to my absence from racing, and it been a new car e.t.c I was only 2-3 laps down to the leader:D:D

[jimmy]

What do you think of the RDX ? Been offered one.

[buzz]

RDX = Really Delicate Xray ;)

[BenG]

Erm, RDX is uber fast, great handling, and uber fragile, dont touch it;)

Or you can have my RDX on the cheap....:D

[jimmy]

lol, I will have to try and not crash then

[BenG]

No, it will break anyway. Honestly, opt ofr the T2R, cos the RDX loves randomly breaking. I have hit a pipe flat out, not broke a single thing, but was running it round at about 5 m.p.h to test it out, and it broke when I clipped a corner.:confused:

Jimmy, I begeth you, do not buy an RDX, unless you are willing to buy lots of (expensive) spares, and be let down by its inconsistent strength;)

[jimmy]

:p sounds like it would be interesting then, never know what ya might get! what breaks on the thing then ? wishbones, hubs and hub carriers ?

[bretts]

I run a car at Garforth it's an old TC3. I find that the car is still quite competitive. My radio gear isn't up to much either.

I'm not as fast as Bally, Buzz, Guy, Jonny, Mick or Binns but that might not be just down to the car. One crash/spin can make the difference between A final and B final (last time I was bQ) and that was all down to my driving.


IMHO any car will be good for Garforth even second hand ones. Any 19t spec motor will get you round also. The best gear doesn't always win races.

The racing is fast and cheap. One set of slicks will last ages, upto a year so I've been told.

Visit the new web site (by Jonny Aird) http://www.gtcc.me.uk/ for race dates!!

Cheers

Brett

P.S. I have a Reedy Quad Mag 19t Spec up for sale. (Used 3 times!!) only £10. See me at York on Saturday or at Garforth the week after.

[BenG]

:p sounds like it would be interesting then, never know what ya might get! what breaks on the thing then ? wishbones, hubs and hub carriers ?

wishbones, yep, even the uber hard ones, hubs, erm yep done them, and hub carriers are ali, but I think I may have bent em, the CVD's bend too. Also, if you are looking for a good 19t motor, check out team screams vast selection, they rock:eek:;)

[jimmy]

What are the difference between short and long arms ? I mean, do the short ones make the car narrow ? (surely not) and whats it come with ?

p.s. my choice of car isnt entirely in my hands

[BenG]

oh right, I get ya matey. Erm dunno bout long/short arm thingy's. I guess it would prabaly adjust wheel base and not the track.


If you need an RDX, I have one for £150, I will strip it down for ya and clean it, but set-up for GTCC is mint, as it was set-up by twice BRCA champion Gary Marsden . Thats with some spares, like belts e.t.c , and a tyrc racing bodyshell:D

[jimmy]

I dont need an RDX since one might be winging my way, so thats why I said I dont really have an option as such, not that im that bothered, im sure its a good car even if its a bit weak, i will just have to be gentle!:p

[BenG]

yeah, dont get me wrong, it is a great car if you can stop it breaking, I wish I could keep mine really.

[DCM]

if they are short (narrow track) then it makes the car a little more agile, Tamiya doa similar thing.

[bally]

I ran a RDX for a while and i have got to say it was superb just a little delicate!!!

Nearly all the cars now run the same geometry (Cyclone style)

As has already been said the tyre to use is the LRP 24R they will last you atleast 10 race meetings

Just so you all know i ran a Yokomo BD at the last meeting and it didnt feel any different to a T2 Tamiya or Cyclone to drive so i guess its just down to what colour ali you want!!!!

Bally

[andys]

Chaps.

The TR2 manual gearing chart means nothing to me !
What pinion should I use witht he kit spur and a 19t Spec motor ?

Cheers. Andy.

[BenG]

Chaps.

The TR2 manual gearing chart means nothing to me !
What pinion should I use witht he kit spur and a 19t Spec motor ?

Cheers. Andy.

Andy, is it in rollouts? I am also unsure of this, I just made a random guess which was ok.

[bally]

andy gear your motor at around 7.0 overall (spur/pinion x internal ratio think it is 2) my motor is geared at 6.5 but it gets very hot and needs a skim before the final!!

I now have the new still rdx wishbones in stock they are twice as thick as the old ones so i guess they will be super strong!!!!

[Rick]

Hi Andy

I believe the kit spur is 84t, 48dp, thus

20t pinion = 7.14
21t pinion = 6.80

Although we run 7.5, which would be a 19t pinion, but who are we to disagree with Mr Ball, he is the man to beat at Garforth

Our T2 gives a chart showing both FDR & Rollout. We will not be at GTCC this weekend but should be there next time, I will let you have a copy of the sheet

Good luck

[buzz]

internal ratio think it is 2)

I believe it is 1.7 ;) :D

[bally]

I believe it is 1.7 ;) :D

ok then 1.7 u can tell i dont run a xray i wasnt far away!!!!!!!!

[BREEZER]

:flower: Hi All, I have a RDX thou I have not raced it yet. What I would like to know is what parts do I need to keep as spares. I intend to put on the "NEW WISHBONES" all round plus the "ALI FRONT HUBS". Can you advise me of any other mods to do to improveit.
GOOD RACING,

MARTIN

[bally]

hi, all you need is ali front hubs and ali steering arms give u much more feed back and make the car easyer to drive i would also buy a black spring kit. do not buy a spool as it makes the car undriveable!! another good thing to buy would be some better turnbuckles as the std ones are a pain to alter.

bally

[jimmy]

Do you bring all your bits to Garforth bally ? I dont even have a car yet mind! haha

[bally]

yes i bring most popular parts with me for Xray, Associated, Yokomo, Hot Bodies and Corally cars as well as tyres and motor brushes

[ashleyb4]

The best tyres and addative you can have are Cs22 pre glued and corraly jack the gripper.

A

[buzz]

The best tyres and addative you can have are Cs22 pre glued and corraly jack the gripper.

A

ok, where did that one come from lol :D

[jimmy]

Welcome to the wonderful world of *Ashley* :p

Does everyone use addative at garforth then ?

[Rick]

LRP Blue Factor on VTEC24R's, this seems the popular choice

[BenG]

yep, I second that;)

[jimmy]

I have some Nosram vtec 24r's, I'm guessing those are the same tyres ?

[bretts]

There's racing at Garforth this Saturday (7th October).

Don't miss out!

[Chris Doughty]

I have some Nosram vtec 24r's, I'm guessing those are the same tyres ?

same product, different packet!

[jimmy]

Thought as much, thats a relief.


racing this saturday ? I think Andy is going, but I don't have a car yet so I dont think I'll be attending unless I come to just watch.

[bigred5765]

Welcome to the wonderful world of *Ashley* :p

Does everyone use addative at garforth then ?
and you told me to be nice :o

[andys]

Yep jimmy. Me and Mr Brogan will be in attendance, and likely will dominate the meeting :)

Mr Brogan has dusted the cobwebs from his old Xray and it's reported to be in excellent condition, he's even spent a few bob at bally's shop ! Everything else will be supplied by his main sponsor.... me !

I'll be sporting my T2R and hoping I don't break it first run. Looking forward to it Jimmy.

[buzz]

Yep jimmy. Me and Mr Brogan will be in attendance, and likely will dominate the meeting :)

lmfao, nowt like having ur own trumpet and blowing it is there! dominate the meeting, u must be a pro then to come bk to TC and dominate?

[andys]

lmfao, nowt like having ur own trumpet and blowing it is there! dominate the meeting, u must be a pro then to come bk to TC and dominate?

Just having a bit of fun fella ? Although last time around I did beat Bally a few times.......

[jimmy]

Andy will always be a pro to me. You'll all be praising his name this time saturday! ;)

[andys]

LMFHO.

Nice one Jimmy. I think 'Old Pro' is more appropriate !

Tickled me pink that did, bed time know I reckon.

[DCM]

The best tyres and addative you can have are Cs22 pre glued and corraly jack the gripper.

A

Well, he got one bit right, Jack the Gripper, but pre-glued CS22's on carpet are, erm, pooh. Like aeveryone has said, VTEC 24R's, either in LRP or Nosram flavours.

Cs22's just have evil and not very good inserts for rug racing.....

oooh, one-way up front, shinny screws and lots of power... just trying to be random...

[BenG]

Welll, I will try to set-up my T2, and I'll bring my D50 too, maybe Jimmy can get me THE settings for indoor at a sports hall? I cant work the damn settings out LOL

[buzz]

Just having a bit of fun fella ? Although last time around I did beat Bally a few times.......

fair play mate, look forward to racing you tommorow ;)

thats wat it is all about though at the end of the day, just gd plain old fun! :D

[buzz]

Welll, I will try to set-up my T2, and I'll bring my D50 too, maybe Jimmy can get me THE settings for indoor at a sports hall? I cant work the damn settings out LOL

yeah yeah fetch the D50!!! I want some funky pic's of my car!!! ;) :D

[jimmy]

I have to say I used to prefer touring cars because of the easy close racing, I think you need to be at a decent level of racing before you can get the same close racing thrill with off road - which is ultimately more satisfying I think.

Still don't have a touring car sorted. :(

[andys]

Finally sorted and painted the T2R, so will be at GTCC tonight with it. not sure if Mr Brogan can make it though, also far from sure that the setup is ok, downstops, anti dive ?, all means nothign to me.

One thing that does seem wrong is the front end is way softer than the rear (shocker / damping wise) is this right ? I've put in 30wt all round as per the setup sheet, but i've ended up using 2 holes on the pistons rather then the 3 recommended as it just felt way too lightly damped ?

I'm sure I remember you run softer on the back, harder on the front ? The kit springs are gold on the rear, silver on the front, are the golds harder ?

Any help appreciated as I don't want to spend the evening pratting about with it. Ta. Andy.

[BenG]

Still don't have a touring car sorted. :(

I got my RDX for sale:D..... will be going on fl'eBay tommorow if not matey, £150 to you with spares and a super cool tyrc racing shell:D

[jimmy]

I was hedging my bets on a free one- but if you can beat that price let me know! lol
Seriously, if I don't get one soon I will buy one, but the RDX probably wouldn't be my first choice.

[andys]

Heyup Jimmy.

What's your first choice then ?
The T2R went as well as can be expected, it's a bit 'plasticy' in places, but for the cash I don't think you can go wrong. It didn't break either with is always a bonus.

Andy.

[jimmy]

T2R or that hotbodies thing still (even tho its a plastic warrior). Do you like the T2r then ?
I thought I could write something decent for the site about a mid-entry level tourer like one of those.

did you do alright ?
did you sell your t1r ?

[andys]

Heyup Jimmy.

Yes I sold my T1R a good while ago on ebay. I would definatley reccommend the T2R, it seemed pretty bullet proof.

It did go really well thanks, took a while to get 'into the flow' of driving a tourer again, I kept using the brakes and trying to swing the back end out for corners using like with the buggy ! After a couple of rounds I realised that simply turning into a corner on the racing line scrubs of loads of speed and being smooth and tight is the way to go. There were a few really quick cars at Gtcc that weren't regulars and they were silly fast, using BRM spec motors aparently. Anyhow I ended up 3rd in the A, could have being 2nd was close. The chap who won it drove a Losi and it was quicker than any of my modifieds !

So all in all a good first run. Won't be going for a few weeks and i'm on my jollies for a fortnight after next week, but then i'll be back, I really enjoyed it.

Andy.

[jimmy]

were you running spec or mod andy ?

I got my vtec 24r tyres today (no, still dont have a car) and cant beleive how sticky they are - is that what you tried andy ?

[BenG]

were you running spec or mod andy ?

I got my vtec 24r tyres today (no, still dont have a car) and cant beleive how sticky they are - is that what you tried andy ?

yeah, also JHimmy make sure you buy some LRP traction additive, and I'll let you in on a secret, get the ashphalt stuff, instead of carpet, as it is thicker.;)