The first proper GP in a long time

[ashleyb4]

Well done Kubica, Heidfeld and DC kubica deserved the win DC deserved to be back on the podium.

A

[bondy]

Bet hamilton wish he had'nt taken the piss out of his dad for crashing at 30mph on air earlyer !

His dad can now ask him if he knows the difference between red and green ?? :woot:

First one I have watched all the way through this year ! Just goes to show off-road racing is more intresting . Maybee all the other tracks should have CUT-UP corners built in !

[telboy]

Glad Kuby won. Makes a change.

Strange incident with the pitlane. Bizarre!?:eh?:

What the hell. It made a good race even better.

[Garry Driffill]

I see it as Ferarri at fault, i mean trying to jump the other car then couldnt so pulls along side because of his idiot ways and ankers on leaving Hamilton nowhere to go even if he wasnt expecting it maybe he would have still been in the race.

seems odd how shite Ferarri was doing they have to try and overtake cars in the pit lane to gain places because they cant do it on the track, pathetic :thumbdown:

[losixxx]

best part of the gp was when martin brundle was on his rerace walkabout and asked bernie about the ''pikies'' laying new tarmac on the track, was wetting myself:woot:

[JohnM]

best part of the gp was when martin brundle was on his rerace walkabout and asked bernie about the ''pikies'' laying new tarmac on the track, was wetting myself:woot:

That was funny, but now Brundle has been reported to/complained about to something called the Equality and Human Rights Commission :thumbdown: what is it with this Country these days, soon you won't be allowed to say hello to someone, in case it upsets them.

[JohnM]

I see it as Ferarri at fault, i mean trying to jump the other car then couldnt so pulls along side because of his idiot ways and ankers on leaving Hamilton nowhere to go even if he wasnt expecting it maybe he would have still been in the race.

seems odd how shite Ferarri was doing they have to try and overtake cars in the pit lane to gain places because they cant do it on the track, pathetic :thumbdown:

I'm sorry, its Ferrari's fault that Lewis drove like a plonker, and can't tell a red light from a green one? are you mad?

He has supposed to have said sorry to Kimi, "if I ruined his race", if? knocking his rear wing off, is only "if" he ruined it:thumbdown:

Lewis should stop driving like his Dad, stop saying he is the best driver, when so far he ain't done that much, and start proving it on the track, where it counts.

[Kopite]

i was thinking that too, it was a class comment.

... i was visualising the pikies from the film 'Snatch' working on the track :thumbsup:

[SHY]

I think there's been a lot of entertaining GPs the last couple of seasons!

But IMHO the judges and regulations interfere too much with the outcome of the race. Rules should be simplified! And make those wings a lot smaller!

[Lee]

i was thinking that too, it was a class comment.

... i was visualising the pikies from the film 'Snatch' working on the track :thumbsup:

D`ya nat like daags:lol::lol:

Hamilton is f**ked as in proper F**ked:thumbsup::lol:

[Kopite]

D`ya nat like daags:lol::lol:

Hamilton is f**ked as in proper F**ked:thumbsup::lol:

lol, picturing Kubica talking after the race with a dog in his hand saying 'I fcuking hate pikies'


....in Polish :woot:

[xjr14]

Got to agree with johnm on this one. It was totally Hamilton`s fault, he A: he had to see the red light and B: the two STANDING cars in front. These things can happen, but I`m not completely happy with what he said afterwards!!! BUT the penalty given to Rosberg and Hamilton is a complete joke! People should be penalized for seriously stupid overtaking attempts (Schumacher`s move on Villeneuve in Jerez `97) or things like the Schumacher parking incident in Monaco 2006, but not for something that was clearly (even if it was painfully stupid) misjudgment.

Well deserved victory for Kubica, beating the crap out of the highly overrated Heidfeld and superb third place for Coulthard. After reading his book "It is what it is" my favorite amongst the current drivers, driving for my favorite team. Check out their hilarious Red Bulletin http://www.redbulletinf1.com/. Maybe post your "laptimes" for the game.

[telboy]

I think its a shame that Rosberg has got the same 10 place drop at the next race as Lewis. After all he was just following Lewis at his speed and had no idea that it was going to happen.

I think a lot of the pitlane rules are a bit stupid this year anyway. What a load of rubish saying that you can't come into the pits when the safety car comes out. As has happened many times this year, people being penalised because the safety car came just as they were coming in for fuel. Rediculous!

The teams should just start letting their cars run out of fuel when it happens. and then when the FIA moan about there not being many cars left in a race, they should say 'well its your stupid rule'.

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Just curious

but were was Kimi's 10 place penalty for driving/crashing into the Force India car @ Monaco?

[Lee]

Glenn,

rule 10.12345 rev 2 states:

All ferrari cars are exempt from rules and penalties


:lol:

[telboy]

Check out their hilarious Red Bulletin http://www.redbulletinf1.com/ (http://www.redbulletinf1.com/). Maybe post your "laptimes" for the game.

Thats hard.

7minutes was my first score.
second was 3.07.55


Would be so much easier if they were all F1 questions

[xjr14]

@ telboy... I totally agree with you on the safety-car/pit rules. As far as I know the revised rules will apply from Magny-Cours onwards. At least that is what was planed... I think they should just get rid of the refueling! Without refueling you don`t have to worry about someone getting stuck behind a heavier car (Alonso and Kubica in Montreal) and the main reason for this safety-car/pitlane incidents will be gone.

About that RedBulletin game, it can really be tricky and makes you wonder as it features question about the country everybody SHOULD know....and you still don`t get it right. Still great fun though...off to do the Montreal game.

...and as for Raikkönen in Monaco, a real pitty for the Force-India team...BUT that was no foolish overtaking attempt by Raikkönen!...he was in no position to try something and he knew that, he just lost it actually braking earlier than the cars in front of him. Therefore rightly no penalty....in my opinion.

[xjr14]

Check out their hilarious Red Bulletin http://www.redbulletinf1.com/. Maybe post your "laptimes" for the game.

played 3 times going down from around the 7 minute mark to 2:28:34 ...lucky "lap" with nice questions :)

[i4n]

Personally I think the stewards have been a bit harsh on Lewis. He had a moments lapse of concentration (the same as Kimi has the GP before) and ran into the back of another competitor (admittedly what many consider to be his main rival for the championship!). It was Lewis's fault, you can't deny that but to give him and Nico the 10 place drop is not fair, a stern talking to would have done it, after all, he didn't gain from it (like Kimi did).

Does this point at the stewards being harsher to McLaren than other teams? Take Ferrari gate last year, McLaren get all their constructors points taken away but the other team caught doing it (who's name escapes me at the moment but I'm sure someone will remind me........) got away with it scot free.

Schumacher taking Damon Hill out at Australia years ago to win the championship when he had a failing car, nothing happened about that (but then he was Bernie's favourite and couldn't do any wrong).

I guess what I'm trying to to say is that the rules need to be administered for everyone the same. We all (including the F1 drivers) make mistakes and those shouldn't be punished, deliberate acts on the other hand should!

[David Church]

Just curious

but were was Kimi's 10 place penalty for driving/crashing into the Force India car @ Monaco?

Thats a very good point!!!

They had said he would have been peanalised if it was a big team he had run into!!!

[SHY]

I'd wish all FIA officials would just sod off and do nazi kinky sex orgies together with Max in stead... :lol: Let the boys battle it out themselves!

And give Bernd Mayländer a real drive and get rid of that pace car... it belongs in the US!

Even better: let normal guys drive! How fun wouldn't that be to watch! F1 drivers are way too good! :lol:

[Col]

Here's my take on this (for what it's worth...)

Hamilton made the mistake and crashed. No-one's fault but his.

However! if Kimi hadn't decided to pull out of his garage alongside the other car (isn't this why they have lolipop men - to prevent this?) then Lewis would have missed both cars and no crash would have happened...

[SHY]

As far as I could see the light changed just before Kimi approached the pitlane exit. No?

C'mon the whole rule is ridicolous. Several drivers have been penalized this year for going into a closed pitlane. What do you else do when your tank is empty?

And when it's open, why the **** close it when drivers need to get back out there?

The whole pace car & closed pitlane thing is making F1 more like CART = russian roulette... The best drivers should win, not the most lucky ones...

When a car is wrecked, just use the good old yellow flags = no overtaking & slow down...

[shinytopman]

Glenn,

rule 10.12345 rev 2 states:

All ferrari cars are exempt from rules and penalties


:lol:


You only need to add the letter "T" to the FIA to realise why Ferrari get away with so much........:woot:

[Nick Goodall]

They shouldn't close the pitlane full stop...... The reason they do it is to apparently stop everyone diving in together, so what happens in Montreal when they re-open the pit lane? Everyone dives in!!!!! Makes no sense to me.

The problem with this whole safety car nonsense is that to allow cars in the pits means they must then allow the safety car and entire field to pass the pit exit before they can allow anyone to leave the pits hence Kimi and Kubica waiting at the end under a red light.

Surely keeping F1 cars sat there still with their engines running is stupid anyway, especially after they've just been sat in the pit too, temp's are going to be going through the roof!

I agree Lewis was obviously not paying full attention and hadn't realised the cars ahead were actually stopped until it was too late - but equally if you were working for the team, just for the sake of saying it would you not remind lewis that the red light was on at the end of the pits? Surely that would be worth saying even if it's obvious????

[millzy]

he just wants to be like Senna, blindingly quick all the time and smashing lap records and pulling huge leads, i just think he need to let the race come to him and not think right im the fastest i need to get a huge lead right away.

[lochness42]

Check out their hilarious Red Bulletin http://www.redbulletinf1.com/. Maybe post your "laptimes" for the game.

3:43:39 at my first and only attempt to make record :)

[Kev B]

There is a very good reason for the pits been closed while the safety car is out. YOu can drive into the pits drive straight though and gain a lap on the field and then the safety is no longer holding the lead car!! And the penalty was spot on look at Alonso last year, he got one for just sitting in his pit box and not driving like an idiot into the back of a car waiting at a red light! Funny how he chose his closest rival to to hit!! A car would of stopped braking in a straight line!

[xjr14]

As far as I no the pitlane i closed till everyone is trapped safely behind the safety car to prevent people from instantly diving in and shooting out of the pits hurring to the back of the field driving through the danger zone like maniacs. Imagine someone hurrying back out of the pits flying by Kubica`s rescue team at last years Montreal GP and loosing it! Could have benn a huge disaster!

For sure the whole rule has to be revamped in a way, hopefully for the better...you never know in F1 :confused: ...and yeah parking F1 cars are a huge problem for the engine. My thought: A : As already told before get rid of the refueling (that`s for endurance racing in my opinion). B: Get rid of the safety car completely!...and whenever a full course yellow / safety car is needed, the drivers have to use the pitlane speedlimiter (or a new limiter, let`s say 160 km/H) until everything is safe again. No marshals would be endangered and the pitlane could stay open.

[xjr14]

yeah the Senna comparison is quite right, but you have to imagine it`s only Hamilton`s SECOND season. Surely he might have been the absolutely best prepared rookie to ever enter F1 in one of the best cars, but competing for the F1 worlds is just not really comparable to competing for the GP2 champs. Just have a look at the young Senna and Schumacher, wreckage all over the place! I think the first year Senna was able to use his head and accept a second or third place was 1991. The year he won his third world championship! Hopefully Lewis will be able to learn this trick a bit earlier, otherwise he will throw away a lot more championships. ...Montoya never got this ability, he was either unbeatable quick or he somehow smashed it. Still a shame he lost that 2003 championship! :(

[Kopite]

he just wants to be like Senna, blindingly quick all the time and smashing lap records and pulling huge leads, i just think he need to let the race come to him and not think right im the fastest i need to get a huge lead right away.


dude, that's gay. The bigger the lead, the better, no matter what the circumstances are

[Lee]

I used to love watching Villeneuve when he was racing for williams, i remember when he took that pole in melbourne by about 3 seconds.

Truly awesome, it was a shame he left though and took the money

[millzy]

dude, that's gay. The bigger the lead, the better, no matter what the circumstances are

Oh yeah i know what your saying but there is no point pushing for a 20second lead in one lap and not thinking of the full race

[Kopite]

I actually think the most awesome performance i've seen is Damon Hill when he was walking away with it in the Arrows car in Hungary '97, until he had a throttle linkage failure and got passed by Villeneuve on the final lap. Still managed second though!!

what a drive!!

[Kopite]

Oh yeah i know what your saying but there is no point pushing for a 20second lead in one lap and not thinking of the full race
i see what you're saying dude :thumbsup:

[millzy]

Hill and Villeneuve are my fav drivers, but i think that was down to the old man loving any one who drove for Williams in the 80s and it rubbed off on me.

[Kopite]

Hill and Mansell are my faves. Mansell was an absolute maniac!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Lee]

the old man rubbed off on me.

Is that legal in wales?:confused:


:lol:

[millzy]

Mansell was cool yeah ill give you that.

Lee

its not and it made my childhood a very loanly place, i couldnt interact with others and i was scared of cheese and body hair my only friend was my teddy ruxpin

[xjr14]

Damon Hill being probably the most underrated F1 driver ever, shame he did loose the Hungarian GP 1997...even though assisted the then new Bridgestone tires a great drive! ...and Villeneuve, great addition to F1...he entered F1 when everybody said "ooh it`s impossible to pass", but he did it....anyone remember his pass on Schumacher in Estoril 1996? Great stuff!

[Lee]

Mansell was cool yeah ill give you that.

Lee

its not and it made my childhood a very loanly place, i couldnt interact with others and i was scared of cheese and body hair my only friend was my teddy ruxpin

As long as you had teddy ruxpin Millzy. He pulled me through some difficult times :lol:

[Northy]

JV used to argue with his engineers on car set-up, he wanted it un equal side to side so he 'could go round the outside' of someone - point proven :thumbsup:

G

[millzy]

As long as you had teddy ruxpin Millzy. He pulled me through some difficult times :lol:

did you teach your's to sing Aerosmith? or Guns'n'roses

[Lee]

Neither, we couldn`t afford batteries for him :cry:

[millzy]

JV used to argue with his engineers on car set-up, he wanted it un equal side to side so he 'could go round the outside' of someone - point proven :thumbsup:

G

Craig harris used to do that not sure if he still dose, we ran less camber on the left side for the RRCI at Hamshire

[millzy]

Neither, we couldn`t afford batteries for him :cry:

oh dude thats so sad

[Kopite]

Damon Hill being probably the most underrated F1 driver ever, shame he did loose the Hungarian GP 1997...even though assisted the then new Bridgestone tires a great drive! ...and Villeneuve, great addition to F1...he entered F1 when everybody said "ooh it`s impossible to pass", but he did it....anyone remember his pass on Schumacher in Estoril 1996? Great stuff!


I always say that about Hill. People forget how late he came into racing (23). Most F1 drivers have raced in some format before their teens!!

[millzy]

i also like him for driving a moped into his hotel room after wining.:) and not givng a crap and letting them film it and stick it on the telly

can you see the golden child doing that with Mr Dennis

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Pit Lane Lights

what are the BLUE ones for?

they were on moments before the lighs went to red

picure is when Kimi & Robert looked to have stopped.

Lewis just coming into shot

[Kev B]

The red light is there to show no entry and the flashing blue lights to warn the drivers faster cars are on the straight(or traffic). Normally used more in a place like donnington park for example where you pull out on to the racing line.

[ginger fixit]

f1

in my opinion is ripping its self in half is so hooked up on rules (for safety i agree rules are needed) but i think in the this case the cars could have entered the track with in the white line same as they have to adhear to while racing.
i dont see how it can be dangerous to enter when the cars are doing 80mph but its not for them to enter at race speed which could be up around the 150mph mark or more :bored:

i am really getting fed up with f1 i think they need to change the cars back to more mechanical grip get rid of pit stops full stop (would save teams a fortune) fixed limited testing and engines to last longer ie made not to there limits and brakes that work when there cool,

and of course cars that dont self distruct with a 10 mph knock at the end of the pit lane f1 is just so borring after the first 10 laps 2 hours is far to long 40 min race like moto gp is spot on.

i think im going to write to the fia about hamiltons 10 spot drop yes he may have been a little stupid but kimi was parked in the wrong place in my opinion i think worse has been done and people dont get penalties.

maclaren and hamilton are being hit hard no matter what they do he is im my opinion the best driver we have seen in a decade i think even shumacher would have struggled to beat him in the same paced car.

i think ferarri realise this and complain to the fia when lewis has a wee 5 minutes from the start just to see if they can get an advantage they have always been dirty racers as a team and this rubs off on there drivers even massa is become a more agressive driver like kimi.

may be they should find a way to make all the cars based on one design i think we would see the drivers come through built in different factorys but to a more specific design or poss 2 or 3 designs ie 1 for cornering 1 for stright line speed and 1 good for both so depending on how your engine performed thats how you decide what chassis you run.

this is just my opinion great thread Andy :thumbsup:

[bender]

i think im going to write to the fia about hamiltons 10 spot drop yes he may have been a little stupid but kimi was parked in the wrong place in my opinion i think worse has been done and people dont get penalties.

That has nothing to do with Hamiltons penalty - if Kimi wasn't there then Lewis would have either driven straight out of the pit lane or overshot the pit lane line - either way he would've been instantly disqualified like Montoya and Massa were when they did it.

He was deemed to have caused an "avoidable accident" so his penalty is well deserved - Rosberg got the same penalty too so I don't think the FIA were playing favorites.

he is im my opinion the best driver we have seen in a decade i think even shumacher would have struggled to beat him in the same paced car.

Bit early in his career for that sort of talk - afterall he was in the best car last year - not too many drivers begin their F1 career in the best car, and then fail to do well.

Villenuve finished 2nd and 1st in his first few years at Williams - never looked good again.
Same can be said about Hill - after leaving Williams he looked ordinary too.