SRCC NorthWest Indoor GP - 14th January

[PaulRotheram]

SRCC will be holding it's second indoor GP this winter!
Date: 14th January
Fee: £7

Location: Formby High School, Freshfield Road, Merseyside, L37 3HW
Classes: 2WD Buggy, 4WD Buggy, any tyre selection can be used.

Doors will open at Formby High at 9AM Sunday morning, Racing to commence at 10AM.

Trophies for top 3 in each final will be given.
Booking in can be sent to me via email or pm with Name, BRCA number, 3 xtals and F grade. ([email protected]).
OR turn up on the day.

The track will consist of carpet, plenty of jumps and obstacles,
tarpaulin (very slippery) and gym mats.

DON'T MISS OUT!

Any questions please ask me.

More in depth directions, and information about the club can be found at:

http://www.southport-rcc.co.uk/ (http://www.southport-rcc.co.uk/)

[PaulRotheram]

Heres a 'stiched up' picture of last years track, i really enjoyed the layout.. the tarpaulin is VERY good.. i'd go as far as saying it is better than wooden flooring.

http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?image=southportindoorevent3sf7.jpg (http://img103.imageshack.us/my.php?i...revent3sf7.jpg)

picture was taken the night before so the mats were missed out.. ive added text saying where they were

[Northy]

Looks good Paul

G

[PaulRotheram]

Just confirming that we will be constructing an 8 foot high, by 12 foot wide wall of death for the GP. Sweetend the idea of coming? :p

[PaulRotheram]

*bump*

Anymore takers? alot more people are having interest in the event.. get your bookins in!

[bigred5765]

book us in Paul, well book Matty in if enough turn up we will do 2wd and 4wd

[PaulRotheram]

email me details.. name, brca, xtals, ability and class to gotmilk (at) hotmail.CO.UK please.

[Rob]

Interested in doing this event, never raced indoors before. What tyres are best and also what sort of motor, normal 10T or something milder like a 12T or even a 19T?

[ashleyb4]

Tyres are normally schumacher mini pins (yellow)

And you can run any motor you like it is what you feel comfortable with less than what everyone else is running.

A;)

[Rob]

But what sort of motor is recommended for indoors? Never raced indoors before, don't know what the grip is like.

[PaulRotheram]

yo dude,

mini pins work well at most indoor venues, and are the faster tyre. Although it will be hard work on the tarpaulin with them. Mini spikes will work, but will be slower on the carpet, but will be slightly easier on the tarpaulin.. I reccomend yellow mini pins however.

Motors, a 12 turn is easily more than enough for the size of track, a 10 will work, but youl get the best out of a 12!

The carpet is quite high grip, and the tarpaulin is very low grip, a nice mixture all round!

[WHITTLER555]

I have now booked in to defend my 2WD Title from last year!

Bet that surprised a few of you who did'nt even know I had won it!!!:D

[Stu]

G & J plus Jim & Viv may be over for this, I see a Saturday nght out looming.............

[bigchris]

hi
thats 3 of us goming from scotland , my alarm will be set for 4.30 am to get there on time

chris

[PaulRotheram]

Good to see this is gonna be a good event, We have about 45 pre entries so far - quite an improovement as we had none last year!!!
And i'll gurantee there'l be people turning up who havnt booked in.

Entrys capped at 80.

[ashleyb4]

Is the wall of death built if so i want pics.

A

[burgie]

NONE of the track is built yet...it's all being built in situ on the Saturday before the event, so no piccies til, at the earliest Saturday evening

[PaulRotheram]

Is the wall of death built if so i want pics.

A

A please would'nt go a miss :eh?:

But as said, all the track will be constructed on saturday before the event.

[bald eagle]

I am attending this event after a break from buggy racing for around 10-15 years :eh?: . I am really looking forward to it, all the different surfaces, jumps, and wow.. a wall of death :cool: ! I am so excited I could....... well...... yes i could!.. lol.
Look forward to meeting some new people, and a very very steep learning curve! Bring it on! ;)

[bald eagle]

Are there any weight limits i need to be aware of, or any other little rules i need to know? :o

[PaulRotheram]

no scuitineering on the day, weight etc should be ok.

[bald eagle]

Thats great paul, Just one more thing, is there any catering on in the day, or is it a case of fetching ya own packed lunch....dairylea lunchables etc?...lol ;)

[PaulRotheram]

last year we had a lil snacks table, but I'm quite honestly not sure as it's the race directors wife who did it. But catering food as in hot food wont be avaliable.. so packed lunches are best.

[bald eagle]

Once again, many thanks paul, I appreciate it. :)

[Chrislong]

Looking forward to this.. I have been undecided between 2wd/4wd, think I'll do 2wd.

Is there mains sockets available?

[bigchris]

Chris ,
paul said to me on MSN that therte were no mains power , and no pit tables , which is a bummer for us as we need to lug 12v batteries and tables down from scotland , 3 of us in one car will be a squeeze

chris

[Northy]

Oh f**k, I don't have a 12 volt anymore :(

G

[Chrislong]

Oh bugger, I need mains for my stun-iron... :confused: my 12v iron is knackered.

[ashleyb4]

if its under 200 watts i have a power inverter from 12v to 230 v

A

[Chrislong]

Cheers Ash, but I guess that would soon drain the 12v :(

[PaulRotheram]

We have 240v sockets, but i'm not allowing power supplies as there are only one or two sockets, if everyone tries to charge, iron, discharge and everything else we do from two sockets and alot of 4-ways, it'l soon kill the circuit, and then the computer will go down with it.. can't be having that.

Removed 'other' posts from the thread, after the work i've done for the event I think advertising another meet on the same day is abit of an insult!

[PaulRotheram]

If any one is wanting to come to the GP, can they please contact me with their details please so we can get you pre booked in. We want to get racing started as soon as possible on sunday so there will be pleanty of chance for practise.

Please email entries with name, class, brca, ability and xtals to gotmilk(at)hotmail.co.uk

[Spencer Mulcahy]

What are the numbers looking like Paul

[PaulRotheram]

about 45ish pre booked at the moment, although there are quite a few who are coming who havn't pre booked (please get your entrys in :) ) Last year we had next to none pre booked, quite an achievement in under a year.

[andy110m]

Hi Paul, sorry mate I'm really looking forward to this but no 240v, no Andy Cottom race. I'm a southport member as such believe we need to compete with other clubs, and as you know another well known club, thats well associated with this very site, is holding another event thats offering 240v and very high level of competition.

We'll have a few sockets, speak to Jim Spencer about the 12th Nationals. Crewe had 96 racers and 2 sockets. The current we draw is nothing at 240v. There is a calculation that can be done but I don't remember the formula fully.

Sorry Paul. Let me know whats happening.

[PaulRotheram]

Your choice, i've no problem at all :)

[super__dan]

5A @ 7.2V = 7.2/240 * 5 = 0.15A @ 240V

Obviously loads of losses and stuff but you should be able to run loads of chargers off a socket assuming all good connections etc. That said they managed to trip the plugs at Worksop this weekend.

A lot of people use more than just chargers though, soldering irons on full all the time etc will draw as much if not more power.

[PaulRotheram]

Thanks for the math, it's appreciated dan.

I'll be honest, people could use the mains, but i've personally not allowed them for the sake if people abuse them and have lots of 4 ways from minimal sockets. We have not tested the halls mains capabilitys to trip them off as the place we will be pitting we only pit in once a year (for the gp).

For the sake of bringing 12v's as most have them for outdoors, the meeting will run flawlessly.

It's shaping to be a good one, the wall of death will be constructed saturday, along with other obsticles that will be used.

[andy110m]

So what do you think based on that info Paul. 0.15 @ 240 = 200 chargers off one socket!!! I believe we have 3.

We have 80 racers max, some of which will have 12v.

I'd think its workable but like you say I have no problem going up the M62.

I also wouldn't have a problem driving a gold plated Rolls Royce, If I owned one. I hope you understand what I'm getting at.

[PaulRotheram]

Andy, as said, you can go to Batley if you wish, i've no problem - It's your choice to do what you please.

However if you would like to support your club, then feel free to do so. If you knew the rules, we do not actually permit mains at club meetings, how ever some exceptions are made as the people who wish to use them are club members who are generally there week in week out.

I'm not willing to discuss it any further, if you wish to do so you, or any one else can PM, email or even ring me about mains power. But as said, I'd wish for people to not use the mains and bring 12 volt batterys.

[bigred5765]

paul i cant run ether without elecy so remove us from the meeting also
please

[Chrislong]

We have all become acustomed to being spoilt with onsite mains...

Im currently trying to sort out a 12v, fix up my 12v Iron, and borrow my dads Fiesta. I still want to come and I hope more do too.

[bigchris]

hi
thats a poor show guys , you can charge cells at home , and surely borrow a 12volt , i am looking forward to it
chris

[Chrislong]

hi
thats a poor show guys , you can charge cells at home , and surely borrow a 12volt , i am looking forward to it
chris

It isn't about charging cells, some people need a soldering Iron to change cells, as they solder direct and don't use plugs, so the soldering Iron we have is a fancy 240v unit with control unit and temp control so it can be left on safely all day long... I am one of those, along with Carl Latham and Andy Cottom.

[bald eagle]

So what do you think based on that info Paul. 0.15 @ 240 = 200 chargers off one socket!!! I believe we have 3.

We have 80 racers max, some of which will have 12v.

I'd think its workable but like you say I have no problem going up the M62.

I also wouldn't have a problem driving a gold plated Rolls Royce, If I owned one. I hope you understand what I'm getting at.


Come on Andy... you raced at the winter classic this sunday just gone, and we dont allow mains use...? Whats the real problem here? Scared I might beat you pal? lol ;)

[Rob]

I can see both sides here. I do 1/12 nationals too and 80 racers can use two sockets no problem. But I can see the organisers point of not wanting to trip it out if its not been tested before.

But surely pretty much everyone who does off road should have a 12v anyway for racing outdoors! I'll be there Sunday no problem with my 12v.

[super__dan]

Actually most racers I know use or share a generator outdoors these days.

[Chrislong]

But surely pretty much everyone who does off road should have a 12v anyway for racing outdoors! I'll be there Sunday no problem with my 12v.

Oh should we, sorry..

[WHITTLER555]

Chris and Dan, you laughed at me last sunday when I walked in with two 12 volt batteries, who's laughing now HA!HA!HA! LOL:D

BTW, may have just moved over to the dark side regarding 4WD so I will be after set up tips!!;)

[Stu]

Ooo, ooo, ooo, ooo, I can add it to my report that I'll be doing (warning - may contain traces of spoons).

I have approx 12 million 12v batteries, allthough only 999,998 are not being used this weekend.
I find 12v batteries really easy & convenient, no fannying around with generators & fuel and no worries about getting 240v at indoor meetings. £30 buys a new one at the start of each year, then it's gets demoted to use in the Caravan.

Carl, do you not have one in your caravan?

[WHITTLER555]

TEE HEE!

They can also be used as door stops, book ends (if you have a strong shelf and matching batteries, I have, there green) and old RS2000 starters:D

[bigred5765]

i do but then i have to buy a 12 volt iron for soldering my cells,and mess about with clips that will connect my charger, and as i solder my cells i have to leave iron on all the time battery would be flat before racing has done

[Stu]

I have a big one, allthough of recent I have been unhappy with its performance.

[Chrislong]

Chris and Dan, you laughed at me last sunday when I walked in with two 12 volt batteries, who's laughing now HA!HA!HA! LOL:D

BTW, may have just moved over to the dark side regarding 4WD so I will be after set up tips!!;)

Nah, I got a 12v mate, i was just killing some time at work joining in with the banter ;)

I beleive so, but you'll soon see that the dark side is actually a whole lot brighter than you'd expect! Bring a notepad and pen at weekend, and I'll give you a full run-down of what to do... I beleive it may already be good since it was PR's... but I'll share all the info for you to go over it.

[Northy]

I have approx 12 million 12v batteries, allthough only 999,998 are not being used this weekend.


Stu, does that mean you will be bringing 11,000,002 (11 million and 2) 12 volt batteries this weekend? I only really need to borrow one dude! :o

Where did you get taught maths? :D :D :D :D

G

[Stu]

Oh yeah.

[PaulRotheram]

Will contact a few other members about mains and see what the overall verdict is, my opinion is to still not use them as it is a normal club policy. But i'll go for a second opinion as it seems some are not willing to abide by the rule.

[PaulRotheram]

I've called around and emailed, 240 will be allowed, but only limited avaliability, so get there early. 12V is still a preference, so if you have access to one then please use it. If you have no option then get in to get a socket, Adaptors can be used but only minimal.

[Northy]

Stu, no need to bring those 11,000,002 12 volts, 2 will do (one for me, I'm a good boy Paul) :cool:

G

[PaulRotheram]

Just a quickie, Any further quiries can you please send them to gotmilk(at)hotmail.co.uk ([email protected])

I'm working later and longer shifts in work to cover being off the whole weekend so appologies for late responces.

Paul.

P.S. Thanks G, you're a star!!!

[Chrislong]

Hey Paul, great news... :) Andy Cottom, hope you coming to SRCC now?

Im still charging my 12v, but I would like to use one socket to use my solderising iron - ofcause I'll have my 4way, and I'll get there early.

[Stu]

P.S. Thanks G, you're a star!!!

Yeah, a brown eye star.

[PaulRotheram]

It'l be no probs for using the iron on for abit mate, I appreciate people going the extra length to bring a 12V.

[PaulRotheram]

Update, we will be providing beverages, snacks, sweets drinks - that kinda thing. We are also trying to obtain a microwave for pies and sausage rolls etc.

[Northy]

Update, we will be providing beverages, snacks, sweets drinks - that kinda thing. We are also trying to obtain a microwave for pies and sausage rolls etc.

Thats very kind of you Paul, makes the entry fee a bargain :)

G

[ashleyb4]

Ill bring both because if i need to solder i will use 240 but i will use my 12v for charging unless it doesnt charge properly again.

A

[andy110m]

Hi Guys, well I've managed to borrow a battery that as Bald Eagle correctly pointed out I used last week end. Hopefully that will do for the cells but it was touch and go at the end of 4 heats and a final.

I will also be getting there early doors to bag a socket for the iron. To be fair heating a 50w iron up, letting it cool then heating it up again was probably the cause of the 12v's early demise.

Hopefully Chris, we can work together to save the other pit space and a socket dependant on who gets in first.

So, Fantastic I'm back racing at the best event to be held this weekend, And that means Bald Eagle's getting another wooping.

[bald eagle]

Hi Guys, well I've managed to borrow a battery that as Bald Eagle correctly pointed out I used last week end. Hopefully that will do for the cells but it was touch and go at the end of 4 heats and a final.

I will also be getting there early doors to bag a socket for the iron. To be fair heating a 50w iron up, letting it cool then heating it up again was probably the cause of the 12v's early demise.

Hopefully Chris, we can work together to save the other pit space and a socket dependant on who gets in first.

So, Fantastic I'm back racing at the best event to be held this weekend, And that means Bald Eagle's getting another wooping.

:D LMAO!!!!! Excellent stuff, glad to hear your up for a challenge matey! AE vs LOSI = NO COMPETITION..... Eat my dust flemwad! ;)

[andy110m]

Now I'm really looking forward to this.

This means, Chris, that we'll have to save Bald eagle some pit space.

So if you see a lanky streak of p*ss carrying a B4 looking like he's only there to be abused in qualifing, welcome him over, It'll be my mate Craig. :cool:

[Chrislong]

So if you see a lanky streak of p*ss carrying a B4 looking like he's only there to be abused in qualifing, welcome him over, It'll be my mate Craig. :cool:

Ha ha. :D Ok

[PaulRotheram]

Entries are flooding in, Chris i've not had your entry yet fella, try pop me an email over when you can.

I'm looking forward to this even more now, I can't even predict a winner, the driver abilty is quite close!

[Stu]

Dusted this old lass off for this weekend. Might run for the rest of the winter if all goes well,

http://www.northernracer.com/1.jpg

BTW, Me and Damo have booked in with Eric, can you check we are also on your list.

How many are you up to?

[PaulRotheram]

I've not got a full list, anything i have i save and goes to Eric for final bookings in, we have alot of club members attending.. I'd say easily 55ish now, i had a good 5/6 book in today alone.

[PaulRotheram]

Got some accurate entries thanks to Eric!

56 ( 21 x 4wd, 34 x 2wd ) there are 9 spaces in 4wd & 15 in 2wd.

not bad for pre bookings!!!

[Chrislong]

Entries are flooding in, Chris i've not had your entry yet fella, try pop me an email over when you can.

I'm looking forward to this even more now, I can't even predict a winner, the driver abilty is quite close!

Yeh you have matey, we were having a chat over MSN and you said you'd put me on your list.. :eh?: Okay, so im 2wd, and I'll catch you later for any other details you need.

[Colinevan]

For those peeps that dont own a 12v battery, have a look around at your local breakers \ scrap yard.

Usually they do have batteries available from newish cars. Some batts even have carry handles. Just make sure it has a high amp output. I paid £12 for mine - had it for 3 months and its been perfect.

Iv even heard of people picking them up from the tip for free lol.. Just make sure you take a meter with you to pick the best one..

Col.

[ashleyb4]

Im just wondering how the track building went thats if track building has started.:confused:

Has anyone got any pictures, please?

A

[craigosh]

some pics attached, a quick and durty photochop of the whole thing and some bits of interest.

some tricky bits with the tarp...!

[Rob]

Looks good. Looks tricky though, lots of changes from carpet to tarpolin.

[ashleyb4]

oOhh wow thats cool i like the coragated stuff.

A

[k£v!n]

cool track, the wall of death looks great!

[PaulRotheram]

The track is great !! I wish the wall was abit higher, but trying to kink the wood to gain more 'vert' put too much stress on the wood. The wall works very well though, and all the features turned out very cool indeed.

You'l have a good days racing, guranteed.

The pitting hall unfortuantly has lots of tables and chairs in for the school exams on monday, but we've been allowed to pit on them if we would like to, failing that please move / fold them and put them to one side.

We've put a few tables together for any one who would like to use them.

See you all tommorrow!!!

[craigosh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb0IFBvMQ40

[craigosh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JohOMD-XKMc

[andy110m]

Infact it looks that good that I've bothered my arse to screw together a 4WD.

So Eric or Paul can you put me in for 4WD, I've already booked in for 2WD.

Thanks Guys.

[Chrislong]

yeh I want to run 4wd too, its ready, but I will need somebody to marshall for me.... any volunteers? :(

[bald eagle]

Thanks to all the guys who built this track. It must have been alot of hard work.


I have no idea how to drive a track like this as normally when I race, they dont put any obstacles in the way (scale saloons) :D. Cant wait to abuse my car around it.! hop on baby!!!! ;)

[craigosh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfw5XMMGi2c

[ashleyb4]

WOW what a event i have to say the track was awsome the food was loverly it was well organised and best of all i got pole in the d final and won it yay and i got my first ever trophie. But i also want to thanks some people thanks to northy and stu for helping me with my car and for the entertainment thourgh out the day. overall it was an awsome day of racing and i have to say it has been one of the fun days i have had in a while. AND i meet spooney YAY:D :D :D

A:cool:

[bald eagle]

Just wanted to say, if you went elsewere to a different meeting, then you seriously missed out on a superb day. I havent raced off road buggys for around about 14 years so it was a really steep learning curve. Totally enjoyed myself. A very friendly atmosphere, very laid back, and great fun.
I qualified 7th in the B and finished in the same position.
Many thanks to all the effort that went into organising this event, and to all the people who must have volunteered to help set the track up. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!!! ;) ... many thanks. :cool:

[Stu]

Pics & report tomorrow.

XXX4 was ace.

[bigred5765]

hmm hmm who screwed it together andy lol

[PaulRotheram]

Thanks for the comments!

The event went great imo.. Like already said, if you were elsewhere you missed out, putting it simply!

Pleanty of similar driving ability ment for close racing ,and an unpredictable A final all day. The layout I thought was great, needed good steady thumbs on the tarpaulin and careful lines on some of the trickyer sections.

The wall turned out well from my opinion, and everyone else thought it was good as it wasnt a simple hairpin like 'normal'.
The atmosphere was great, really relaxing and laid back :)

Thanks to stu for the upcoming report and pics.


The club should run its outdoor GP this year and it will no doubt be discussed at our AGM.
Would any one be interested in a buggys only winter series next year based on todays meeting?

[PaulRotheram]

Results courtesy of Eric:

http://www.srcc2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/winter%2006_07/southport_indoor_gp.htm

[andy110m]

Yes, I'd like to add my thanks to all the team at SRCC that put on one of the best meetings I've been to in a long time. Fantastic track, well run and an all round great way to spend a day.

Got to credit Big Red for screwing together a top 4WD for me, I was well chuffed to qualify it 5th in the A. Think I finished 4th or 5th.
2WD went well too. 6th on the grid but a few errors say me drop down the order. But I've got to say I love that brushless stuff.

All in all a very good day. Long live 10th buggies.

[andy110m]

Would any one be interested in a buggys only winter series next year based on todays meeting?

Yes Paul, I'd be up for that. A day like today, even though on a smaller scale, would be something to look forward to every week.

[PaulRotheram]

I should rephrase it, a buggy series like today on our buggy point meetings, We will still cater for the other classes on other meetings, but a GP, or smaller version on each buggy round.

Just a thought for now, will be brought up at the AGM.

[Chrislong]

Hi Paul,
This Winter the racing seems a little 'harder to find', since Batley are not holding club meetings as often, and the NE only have 4 regionals. Therefore id be keen for SRCC to hold a GP series, using same size track, 2nd hall and plenty of your excellent PR work.

So now is a good time to strike while the iron is hot...

I have a few idea's, I'll share them over MSN?

Well done on today, the track was built to an excellent quality and was very unlike anything else, very technical and challenging - forced the driver to drive! Eric did a great job on race control, and it is also the first Sunday in ages I have made it home in time for tea, its usually reheated and rubbery.

Chris

[andy murray]

Nice track guys! Very good job with the running of the club, and all the driving standards were good aswel. Wished i had a buggy ready to race but i still enjoyed the day as a spectator!:)

[Chrislong]

oh, and thanks for the use of 240v sockets. As planned I only used it for soldering and took my 12v for charging.

[Scouser]

Went today purely as a spectator and I have to say there was some great close racing to be seen. A huge pat on the back to everyone who was involved in the organisation and track building, I can't wait to get the b4 down there asap. Nice to bump into an old mate there too. Top day.

[stegger]

I would like to echo people's comments. T.O.P day fella's, so enjoyed the relaxed environment and racing even though i finished in the D final. Nice to bump into some old faces from yesteryear.:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Oscar]

Who Won??

[stegger]

Results courtesy of Eric:

http://www.srcc2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/winter%2006_07/southport_indoor_gp.htm

Hear you go OSCAR

[Rob]

Yep was a good day. Was my first indoor meeting and only my 3rd electric buggy meeting. Took some getting use to but I improved each round and qualified 5th for the B final which I was happy with. Made some adjustments for the final but it made the car worst and I finished last but it was fun. Track was challenging but fun.

[bigchris]

hi
yes it was a good day for me too , changed nothing in the 2wd except front camber , and the 4wd , the front springs track was good , and the tarpaulin caught everyone out as well

driver was very rusty though , poled the B :( but made the 4wd A :)

felt good to be doing off road again

chris

[ashleyb4]

Who are you stegger i won the d and i like to know who i am racing or have raced.

A

I would like to echo people's comments. T.O.P day fella's, so enjoyed the relaxed environment and racing even though i finished in the D final. Nice to bump into some old faces from yesteryear.:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Stu]

Report & pics,

www.northernracer.com/nwgp2007 (http://www.northernracer.com/nwgp2007/)

G has some pics & words about the Autosport Show from Saturday, I've tagged them on. Looks like there were some pretty nice chassies on display, some with large headlamps.

Anyone fancy some casserole? I have lots left-over.

[stegger]

Who are you stegger i won the d and i like to know who i am racing or have raced.

A
I finished second behind you ash;) was it you who jumped up in celebration at the end:D GOOD WORK FELLA

[Barry Williams]

Great event on Sunday, well organised & very good track, although I'm glad I wasnt driving as slippy stuff is the worst thing going for old thumbs like mine. Well worth the drive from Durham although 6am starts aint too great. Cars went well too apart from a few issues with 4wd motors but i always get that wrong:confused: just ask Greg.
Also excellent photos from Stu (as always) & Northy, (I especially like the ladies at the Autosport show!!!);)

[bigred5765]

I want this car
http://www.northernracer.com/nwgp2007/4.htm
very cheeky my fav shot
http://www.northernracer.com/nwgp2007/8.htm
whats that poodle doing to you northy
http://www.northernracer.com/nwgp2007/52.htm

[Chrislong]

That BICHON FRISE is a funky looking Poodle eh Carl. *tongue out*

[ashleyb4]

Nah i just puched the air style thing:D :p
I finished second behind you ash;) was it you who jumped up in celebration at the end:D GOOD WORK FELLA