New Kyosho 1/10 4WD buggy? [Archive]

RudeTony

24-05-2013, 06:19 AM

The real question is would anyone with real inside info actually spill the beans before Kyosho was ready?

If you don't mind me saying so, your comment is a little silly if you actually read the signature of who posted.

Being a worlds year, no doubt there will be the odd item and probably specific to the USA style track the event is held at. This happens with every manufacturer

Neil Skull

24-05-2013, 08:34 AM

Well the truth is this.
At Nuremberg this year we had a meeting with Kyosho President and executives, They told us no plans for new car at present but Tebo is working on few improvements being a Worlds year!

So we expect same option parts are likely, Maybe if Tebo does well or any other Kyosho driver they will release a WC Kit but there is no New Car as such in the pipeline.

We honestly think the FS2SP is a great car and no real need for Major change.

I have told this to all our team drivers so anyone else saying otherwise is just trying to cause some confusion.

You just have to remember there will always be a new car in the future. or for some brands next week :lol: You just have to choose what you want right now that will give you most satisfaction for your Hobby!!!

Mowen208fly

24-05-2013, 10:32 AM

Why change a good thing I say :thumbsup:

MikePimlott

24-05-2013, 11:04 AM

Neil, is it true that one of Tebos upgrades moves the motor ?

Neil Skull

24-05-2013, 04:22 PM

Tebo trying all kinds of things! no point in speculating till we know what we will be released. also all developments are for the worlds track.

MHeadling

10-06-2013, 09:31 AM

http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric-off-road/414726-kyosho-lazer-zx5-fs-fs2-thread-220.html

Word is, ali chassis, gear diffs and shorty lipo, you can see in one of the pics the motor has been moved.

There are a few pics floating about on rcinsider.com and also on rctech.net

rcpower

11-06-2013, 04:16 PM

shorty lipo's ... yuk :thumbdown: Hope there is also a possibility to place normal saddles, but I doubt it.

Other than that it will be a winner out of the box, superb quality that's for sure.

The price will probably reflect that as well.

It will also be the time to buy second hand fs2 cars for a bargain. Great times to come!

MHeadling

11-06-2013, 04:50 PM

http://rcinsider.com/

rcpower

11-06-2013, 04:58 PM

I like the alu reinforced front tower...it is the only part on my fs2 cars that breaks from time to time...even whilst having applied all tips about mounting the towers. This might be a bomb proof one!

racingdwarf

11-06-2013, 07:05 PM

having seen some videos of the 4wd I'm not surprised tebo has beefed up the shock towers etc seen the size of some of the jumps, the one at the back of the track is a total psychotic monster:woot:, the track is huge and looks mental fast, well its an 8th track, so I suspect there will be quite a few manufacturers with modifications, stronger cars etc

if all that comes of this is a stronger front shock tower, can be nothing but a good thing:thumbsup:

tomtom

11-06-2013, 07:44 PM

They did an awesome job on the RB6, was hoping the same for a new 4wd and I have to say I'm very happy with what I saw.

Nice shell, shorty (very nice as ai will be able to run the same kind of lipo for both) and overall lots of encouraging details :drool:

Can't wait to see more !

Price... That's a concern as it will be high.

paulj

11-06-2013, 09:46 PM

Hmmm I wonder what the idea is behind the golf ball dimples on the rear wing?

I do know that Zipp use dimples on their high end carbon fibre racing wheels to improve drag reduction and to give a larger working range with regard to wind angle of attack relative to the wheel but not sure how any of that would relate to a fixed wing on 1/10th scale buggy?

racingdwarf

11-06-2013, 10:49 PM

not surprise me if they were playing with wings in wind tunnels, jumps the size of the ones on that track your wing will start to make a big difference as the car looked to be airborne for ages

RogerM

12-06-2013, 11:19 AM

Where are you guys finding these videos?

racingdwarf

12-06-2013, 12:26 PM

Neo buggy mate,if I was a cleaver person I'd post a link for you:blush:

racingdwarf

12-06-2013, 12:30 PM

this may or may not work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG22uqPmxyU&feature=player_embedded

goldy

12-06-2013, 01:03 PM

I think he just misses his old b44, so he has just had kyosho make him one :thumbsup:

Holeshot

27-07-2013, 08:31 PM

I think he just misses his old b44, so he has just had kyosho make him one :thumbsup:

With Aluminum Chassis & gear diffs?

Another shot
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/954/d2h3.jpg

Dazzieboy

27-07-2013, 08:41 PM

Layout wise it looks like they have turned the motor round to put the spur gear in the centre of the car, didn't they try that in the 2007 worlds before the FS came out?

Matt Butcher

09-08-2013, 01:11 PM

zx6 prototype:

http://jtprc.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/20130807-121144.jpg

racingdwarf

09-08-2013, 02:10 PM

Is this the car made for the worlds?

jayst

09-08-2013, 07:30 PM

similar layout to the xb4

stegger

10-08-2013, 08:50 AM

This looks ready for production instead of just a prototype. Look at the moulded sides on the chassis ;-) and the anodising on the chassis ;-) very polished ! Would look nice next to a RB6 in somebody's garage ... :thumbsup:

Origineelreclamebord

10-08-2013, 03:09 PM

I agree the anodizing makes it look pretty finished, but to be fair I also think the chassis looks a bit too open (sidepods don't really connect/merge into other parts - and looking at the RB6' styling I'd expect that on the ZX6 as well) - and small things like the large offset of the rear shocks on the shock tower (compared to the front) to me are small hints that it might not be done yet...

...Could it be that the sidepods are 3D printed, and they decided to spend a few extra bucks on an anodized chassis? (It's a big brand, it won't break their bank) :)

dpackster1980

11-08-2013, 08:32 AM

It looks like the motor is further forward compared to the likes of the B44 but not is extreme as the previous car. It looks good but it'll be expensive.

Jamesk

11-08-2013, 04:50 PM

Looks very similar to the TRF 502, but works drivers seem to like the older 511. It all depends on the weight balance.Kyosho would have done there home work for sure. Looks like a good kit but not cheap.

jK

Chris-S

23-09-2013, 06:49 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3029/0r9q.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img196/243/ockc.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img12/2403/7tr4.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img28/3161/bx7e.jpg

Looks to be fairly production ready.

gazhillAE

23-09-2013, 09:52 PM

Shorty in a 4wd.......:wub

Honeybadger

25-09-2013, 09:46 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Y5m8CgQ.jpg?1

munity

02-12-2013, 07:10 PM

Any news about a releas date??

racingdwarf

02-12-2013, 08:16 PM

from some of tebos posts I think they were heading back to the drawing board for some adjustments,from how I read it,it was the designer who was least happy with it. All gone quiet since then

fil9144

05-01-2014, 12:19 PM

from some of tebos posts I think they were heading back to the drawing board for some adjustments,from how I read it,it was the designer who was least happy with it. All gone quiet since then

I think they may of hoped for the same as the rb6 but just didn't happen for any of the kyosho drivers they would have been better off using the old zx5

racingdwarf

05-01-2014, 12:56 PM

Agreed think with the very high grip dirt they would have been better using a chassis they were used to so they were not fighting the car and the track.

Think a new car is coming for sure. Not sure when but looking around shops sites I have noticed the zx5 stock is normally 0 or not even listed. maybe a sign…maybe not:confused:

mintzant

06-01-2014, 04:30 PM

Lazer zxr and zxs. These two cars is kyosho success !!!
I think in the future kyosho follow losi (xx4 is the same as 22-4) and produse these excellent cars...

Gayo

06-01-2014, 10:03 PM

ZX-S style would be sweet but I doubt it... Tebo seems to be working on the same prototype, Ronnefalk too.

ooking around shops sites I have noticed the zx5 stock is normally 0 or not even listed
I suppose this is a consequence of the coming ZX-6. ZX-5 sales are really low and shops only carry what people want to buy!

fil9144

06-01-2014, 10:37 PM

ZX-S style would be sweet but I doubt it... Tebo seems to be working on the same prototype, Ronnefalk too.

I suppose this is a consequence of the coming ZX-6. ZX-5 sales are really low and shops only carry what people want to buy!

I bought a rb6 8 months ago and sold my pimped centro and thought what is all the fuss about but i tell you the rb6 is a great car and I have been racing on and off a long time and has now taken over from my traxas trx3 which was my all time favourite it's just so easy to drive and understand the setups.. The thing is 4 wd i have bought a lazer zx5 sp after what can only be said was a stinker of a sworkz and that car is the same just a great car but the question is after kyosho suffering at the worlds with the protype i mean even boots did pants and he a very good driver can they really improve it that much all the new cars look alike really now do you not think?

colt_seavers

09-05-2014, 01:17 PM

Available 30th June apparently....

http://www.redrc.net/2014/05/kyosho-zx6-4wd-buggy-first-images/#more-80767

racingdwarf

09-05-2014, 01:28 PM

hmm that looks very nice, best get some front towers in the pit box if you go for one, the last car they were fragile, looking at those photos, that tower on astro:cry:

bet it costs a few quid..

RogerM

09-05-2014, 01:43 PM

http://www.rcnews.net/2014/05/09/kyosho-release-official-zx6-4wd-photos/

As for fragile it was mostly how people built them, rarely broke mine and when I did it would have killed just about anything.
I posted plenty of information on how to build a near bullet proof ZX5-FS :)

colt_seavers

09-05-2014, 01:59 PM

Roger, are you still using the ZX5 or have you moved on to a different car?

RogerM

09-05-2014, 02:08 PM

Still with the ZX5 and will be until the ZX6 lands.

I'm currently running a modified version using a shorty pack down one side built out of the original plastic chassis. I wanted to get a feel for what a shorty 4wd would feel like with the Lazer's geometry and I can tell you it's very nice indeed.
Took a bit of time to get a setup I like to work from but now I am a shorty believer ;)

colt_seavers

09-05-2014, 02:30 PM

Will you buy on launch or wait to see if there are any problems that need ironing out?

rcpower

09-05-2014, 04:29 PM

it was mostly how people built them ... I cannot agree with that. I really loved the handling of this car and although I consider myself as a smooth driver I was always afraid when the car touched something that it would break. From the money I have spent on front towers and gearbox internals I could have bought another kit. In my eyes (and I am not the only one) the ZX-5 was one of the most fragile cars out there, certainly when run on astro. Maybe it just suffered from the combination "designed years ago + nowadays massive brushless lipo power". If they get this sorted with the ZX-6 it will be great.

http://www.rcnews.net/2014/05/09/kyosho-release-official-zx6-4wd-photos/

As for fragile it was mostly how people built them, rarely broke mine and when I did it would have killed just about anything.
I posted plenty of information on how to build a near bullet proof ZX5-FS :)

racingdwarf

09-05-2014, 05:13 PM

One guy at club describes my driving as driving miss daisy:lol:

rcpower

09-05-2014, 05:44 PM

LOL, I understand exactly what you mean.

I have stopped driving miss Daisy a year ago and have chosen to drive the car in my sig.
She maybe doesn't have the finesse or the looks from miss Daisy, but I can count on her and she is cheap too! I have put at least 125 lipo's * 8 minutes (that is with a highly boosted 6.5 on astro) through her without changing a thing to the transmission, except for the center outdrives once(that's should be fixed with the evo set now). Still have to break the first tower/arm/steering block with it!

One guy at club describes my driving as driving miss daisy:lol:

fastinfastout

10-05-2014, 04:12 AM

it was mostly how people built them ... I cannot agree with that. I really loved the handling of this car and although I consider myself as a smooth driver I was always afraid when the car touched something that it would break. From the money I have spent on front towers and gearbox internals I could have bought another kit. In my eyes (and I am not the only one) the ZX-5 was one of the most fragile cars out there, certainly when run on astro. Maybe it just suffered from the combination "designed years ago + nowadays massive brushless lipo power". If they get this sorted with the ZX-6 it will be great.

The gearbox internals are one of the best that I have come across!

Its not like the b44's. Now they are weak!

RogerM

10-05-2014, 08:55 PM

I've put 1 crown wheel set in my fs2sp since I built the car. Just a matter of shimming it properly which sometimes means more / different shims to that supplied in the kit. I run a heavily boosted 6.5 or 5.5 with no issues.

Front towers are mostly due to over tightening the screws to the mount and not reversing the shock mounting screws as I advise.

Same story for mounts / gearbox cases, just snug up slightly longer cap head bokts with plastic washers under the heads of the screws.

Yes you had to pay attention when you built a zx5 but it wasn't fragile in itself like some other 4wd cars out there. That said I didn't seem to have the problems others had with predators either.

Either way the zx6 looks to have guarded against most of those issues.

rcpower

11-05-2014, 05:32 PM

Yes I have built the towers with the screws behind etc., and yes I have shimmed the diffs always with additional shims. I drove in the national top 3 with the car and have + 20 years of experience in RC, from which 8 years with Kyosho Germany factory support... IMO it required a lot of maintenance if ran regularly on astro and the towers, well they(all sorts from plastic to carbon and everything in between) snapped just too often. This discussion has already been made long time ago so let's look forward: If they get the little things sorted out the ZX-6 will be a great car, no doubt!

I've put 1 crown wheel set in my fs2sp since I built the car. Just a matter of shimming it properly which sometimes means more / different shims to that supplied in the kit. I run a heavily boosted 6.5 or 5.5 with no issues.

Front towers are mostly due to over tightening the screws to the mount and not reversing the shock mounting screws as I advise.

Same story for mounts / gearbox cases, just snug up slightly longer cap head bokts with plastic washers under the heads of the screws.

Yes you had to pay attention when you built a zx5 but it wasn't fragile in itself like some other 4wd cars out there. That said I didn't seem to have the problems others had with predators either.

Either way the zx6 looks to have guarded against most of those issues.

Honeybadger

12-05-2014, 11:57 AM

I can't wait to get my hands on one. Should be quality !

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/KyoshoZX6-7.jpg

danmurphy

13-05-2014, 12:54 PM

This also looks like a good design basis for the next 2wd machine? :thumbsup:

Origineelreclamebord

13-05-2014, 01:24 PM

Nice to see how on their first product pictures there are 3D printed parts :) In case anyone's wondering, I'm referring to the gearbox-chassis braces that replace the top plate they used on their prototype - and before I forget, the shorty battery holder plate too!

It also indicates that the prototype might have had too little flex (which I wouldn't be too surprised about considering the alu chassis).

RudeTony

13-05-2014, 02:00 PM

Its hilarious reading all the comments and all the experts on this forum.....there are a minimum of people that actually know what they are talking about

Fozzy1989

06-06-2014, 05:34 PM

Well the manual is available to look at now, any ideas how much and when available in the uk?

http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/support/instructionmanual/buggy/pdf/30046_LAZER_ZX6_IM.pdf

Cheers
Chris

Chris Larner

06-06-2014, 06:14 PM

Just had a look and it looks like a confusing build due to having the multiple layout and servo position all in one manual. It's a shame they didn't have two separate manuals.

Still no news on the price and release date yet then?

Andyp

06-06-2014, 07:36 PM

Still no news on the price and release date yet then?

Rumours have it that it will be in the uk at the end of the July ??? Pre order price in USA is $579.99 how it converts to GBP I'm not sure as it never seems to follow the exchange rate

Chris Larner

06-06-2014, 07:52 PM

I think if it's anywhere around the £400 to £450 mark it could well price is self out of the market, especially as gear diffs could be a costly upgrade. It will be interesting to see a price.

Andyp

06-06-2014, 08:11 PM

I'm surprised no shops in the uk have put up a pre order yet,usually once the kit is announced the pre orders pop up within a few days usually ...

Fozzy1989

06-06-2014, 08:14 PM

Ye that's what I was thinking Andy and one of the reasons I posted, was hoping someone in the know would shed some light on it. Really like the look of the kit, extremely tuneable, my guess would be £400 as the RB6 is around the £300-350 in shops right now.

Chris

sime46

07-06-2014, 02:07 PM

I was a little disappointed when this was announced with ball diffs but now there are optional gear diffs coming it'll be a better prospect.

RogerM

09-06-2014, 11:40 AM

The ball/gear diff debate will rage on and on with all brands. Personally don't like gear diffs so pleased it ships with ball but understand why some people do prefer them.

Personally I've been running a ZX5 in shorty config and already prefer it to saddle car but still have a little bit of fine tuning to do with setups, think the aluminium chassis of the ZX6 will be a nice feature to help with the feel of a shorty 4wd.

tyreman

09-06-2014, 05:52 PM

RogerM

10-06-2014, 11:37 AM

But you abandoned you ZX5 for you RB6 at the 4wd regional yesterday at Kidderminster?

Not quite true, I've foolishly let my stocks of ZX5 parts reduce and had a failure I could not repair due to this.

The part in question is from the original kit build so nearly 2 seasons old and to be 100% fair if I'd have had that section of the car apart any time in the last couple of months I'd have spotted the wear.

Totally my own error, if I were to blame Kyosho for anything it would be that there diffs and drivetrain as so long lasting and reliable you don't get forced to look at them couple of meetings unlike some brands :woot: