TLR 22-4

[Delves]

The wait is over...

http://www.horizonhobby.co.uk/autoonline/j29_tlr/j29_kits/j29-tlr03005/j29-22-4.html

[MikePimlott]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

When Chris ?

[Legacy555]

Will the centre belt be adjustable?..... might be putting my belt mod back into production...

[Chris Larner]

Clever use of same posts to hold the lipo strap and body on!

[pugboy]

I really like this, well done Losi/TLR!:thumbsup:
Don't reinvent the wheel, just make it a bit rounder!

[Stringerhot]

What are belt driven cars like to drive Aswell as maintance point of view ! ?

[DEXtrain]

I miss the days when Losi was a real RC concepts powerhouse . What we see now are just revisions of old ideas or just copying from others. dont get me wrong, this is a nice piece of kit but i do admire more the revolutionaries than evolutionaries. Without the first we woudnt be where we are and , the second kind is easy to find in each generation. The visionaries though... they are becoming a lost species

Just miss the days when having the balls to bring something new to the table was rewarded and cheered upon rather than seen like unnecessary risk...

Doesnt have to do with RC only , in general the world is missing if we all end up being pure accountant type of minds and stop loving tech for tech

Same with the modern space race for example-all cost driven and miserably looking at the details when the whole point is broadening horizons and making life experience more rich strongly believe that making everything cost driven and minimal risk driven robs life all the best of magic

anyway sorry for the rant. enjoy the modern XX4 copy -some 18 years after the original prototypes...

I really like this, well done Losi/TLR!:thumbsup:
Don't reinvent the wheel, just make it a bit rounder!

[DEXtrain]

same as original XX-4


Clever use of same posts to hold the lipo strap and body on!

[discostu]

I miss the days when Losi was a real RC concepts powerhouse . What we see now are just revisions of old ideas or just copying from others. dont get me wrong, this is a nice piece of kit but i do admire more the revolutionaries than evolutionaries. Without the first we woudnt be where we are and , the second kind is easy to find in each generation. The visionaries though... they are becoming a lost species

Just miss the days when having the balls to bring something new to the table was rewarded and cheered upon rather than seen like unnecessary risk...

Doesnt have to do with RC only , in general the world is missing if we all end up being pure accountant type of minds and stop loving tech for tech

Same with the modern space race for example-all cost driven and miserably looking at the details when the whole point is broadening horizons and making life experience more rich strongly believe that making everything cost driven and minimal risk driven robs life all the best of magic

anyway sorry for the rant. enjoy the modern XX4 copy -some 18 years after the original prototypes...


agree what an anti climax 18 years of waiting we end up with what we started with i suppose at least one good thing ill save £350.

good job TLR

[Tom3012]

I don't get all the hate, the XX4 was and still is a superb car! Unfortunately it can't cope with modern power and isn't the easiest to work on... This solves that, great work TLR :thumbsup:

[spindles69]

My new ride for 2014 season. Back to my roots :-)).

[MikePimlott]

most modern 4wd's copy the same suspension geometry that the xx4 started anyway.

Why change what works and what is the norm across the board anyway ?

[discostu]

no hate just a little disapointed

[Lonestar]

I miss the days when Losi was a real RC concepts powerhouse . What we see now are just revisions of old ideas or just copying from others. dont get me wrong, this is a nice piece of kit but i do admire more the revolutionaries than evolutionaries. Without the first we woudnt be where we are and , the second kind is easy to find in each generation. The visionaries though... they are becoming a lost species

Just miss the days when having the balls to bring something new to the table was rewarded and cheered upon rather than seen like unnecessary risk...


er... ever heard about the 22? When released a couple of years ago it was the first car to have a modern narrow alloy chassis with side pods, and "reversible" gearbox to give you MM / RM all in one kit... and affordable, on top. I don't know how much more revolutionary than this it can get, really :confused:

[jaydits]

why hate this losi so much and still keep on comming back here
i think its a piece of art that must be in my house in the near future

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Graeme]

To me it shows how ahead of it's time Jnr's original design was. I admit I rather like the threaded inserts on the plastic parts - will stop stripping the threads (although it will increase the Loctite budget...)

[DEXtrain]

It was not the first - there were other prototype/limited production cars that had all this - affordable oh yeah god bless china

er... ever heard about the 22? When released a couple of years ago it was the first car to have a modern narrow alloy chassis with side pods, and "reversible" gearbox to give you MM / RM all in one kit... and affordable, on top. I don't know how much more revolutionary than this it can get, really :confused:

[DEXtrain]

Exactly - i did not say that the engineers did not do a good job revising the XX-4 ( though the large opening in the alloy front chassis part could have been avoided, the shock tower bracing in the rear could have been more discreet etc) . They did a good job.

Did they bring anything new to the table? Not really
XX-4 (original version) "risked"/brought something new in the following areas:

-Balance/layout-by the way the saddles in the back behind the motor config was not first presented by losi - but they got it belt driven and researched motor position
-Composite chassis for 4wd - quite unusual for the time and mostly limited to entry level kits
-clicker (and the research associated with designing a dependable and effective rachet mech for racing conditions)
-The thin pitch front and mid belts - bet a lot wouldnt think they would last
-The front suspension/carrier design "cleaned up" from the Avante and brought to excellence (ok durability was not great but as a design it is still the most advanced)
-Adjustable torque distribution front and rear

and other things i forget now

I guess the question is why bring something new to the table....And the whole thing goes much deeper - it is a whole direction of the society type of thing. It is the same thing as why go to the moon or beyond (even though we now have the tech to do it at much lower cost and with many more expansion capabilities) if it wont make us money immediately or sell immediately to the facebook/Idol/twitter/reality TV generation

It is a shame because we "shut up" those that have the skills and dream big as irresponsible and reckless and unrealistic when it was exactly these type of people that brought all big advances in the last century...

There are clever people around here... i know . I hope to hear from them what they really think rather than an uptight educated /i want to seem smart and reasonable by todays standards point of view.

I mean isnt that whole situation getting more and more suffocating/limiting?



no hate just a little disapointed

[vrooom]

You know what would be cool?

Take the 22-4 rear end including motor/belt. and bolt on 22 front end into the new custom chassis, ala new schumacher cougar protype....

that would be cool.

[feniks]

I understand what all is talking about .
but I do want to say that the original losi XX4 just like the Pred was way a haed of what the racing whas . the pred ist components whare weak but you whas always the fastest entill the first jump . the losi XX4 askt so mutch from your packs that you had trouble making the 5 min . the original first gen XX4 had bearings that colapsted more than U could imagine .
but both of these cars whare a gambel when they came out and both had there sucses .
I love the way the new XX4 looks and as far as I can see they have reinvented the weel and somtimes reinventing or inproving somthing that works is harder than it looks as the original standard is so hich that I can understand wy they have waited this long .
but hey that is just my idee :p:p:p

[Garry Spice]

I was so rooting the 22-4 well at the worlds...
Damn!
But maybe if it was released alittle earlier things may have worked out better.
Still by the next world's a 22-4.2 maybe out!!!

[discostu]

Ha ha not at the next worlds maybe 2023 worlds an update maybe in the pipe line.

But still it made the top ten just like the HB and the yokomo