BRCA proposals

[Lee]

I know people are talking about proposals for lipo etc, but has anyone else proposed anything?

I would like to see a dodgy step on every rostrum at a national even, just as a bit of a gamble really, it keeps things interesting.

It could also be ammended to say, if the given step does not give way at an event it should be carried over to the next event so you have 2. :thumbsup:

Would anyone second it?:lol:

[stegger]

I'll second it :thumbsup:will give me somebody else to laugh at instead of people laughing at me:lol::lol::lol: The amount of times i've fallen of a rostrum or pit chair, normally after a night out:woot:

[stegger]

Just thought about it Lee it could be called the THE ROSTRUM ROULETTE PROPOSAL :lol:

[bert digler]

I'll second it :thumbsup:will give me somebody else to laugh at instead of people laughing at me:lol::lol::lol: The amount of times i've fallen of a rostrum or pit chair, normally after a night out:woot:

perhaps they could make it out of the same stuff as xx4 wishbones:lol: and paint it :thumbsup:

[clarey]

lol that would be funny :thumbsup:

[telboy]

Hmm, I can see Preddy opposing that one Lee!:p

[MATTY]

:lol::lol::lol::woot::lol::lol::lol:

[Lee]

SPAM???????^^^^^^^

[clarey]

thats what I thought too :thumbdown:

[jimmy]

Spam got deleted before you even replied! POWER!!! :lol:

[clarey]

wow that was quick work :thumbsup:

[strobe]

Bring back the BQ Helmet. (hat)

[Lee]

I have just been reading the proposals and i agree with most points made and the proposals, but one of the proposals i have a query with?

The one about adding 7 places to your best round score, but what happens if you get four 1's

would you get 7 places added to your fastest time but you then have another 3 1's which are then set in a slower time but then end up a better score.

can anyone clarify will you end up with 9 points or 2?

[Garry Driffill]

I remeber at Jarrow regional i slipped on the bottom step EVERY time LOL. First time i slipped and thought nothing of it, second time i walked slower and still managed to do it again :lol: and the third time i did it i went on my arse haha :lol: :lol:

= Retard.

LOL

[stuartw]

I have just been reading the proposals and i agree with most points made and the proposals, but one of the proposals i have a query with?

The one about adding 7 places to your best round score, but what happens if you get four 1's

would you get 7 places added to your fastest time but you then have another 3 1's which are then set in a slower time but then end up a better score.

can anyone clarify will you end up with 9 points or 2?

Lee
Under Round by Round only 2 scores count and the other 2 are discarded.
So, in your example of someone achieving the perfect four ones, then seven places would be added to his fastest Time of the 4 making that an 8 so that would be discarded, his 2nd fastest time and his third fastest time would then come into effect so he would still have 2 points.

[Lee]

Thats what i thought Stuart, but i didnt know if the penalty had to be used.

thanks for clearing that up :thumbsup:

[Lee]

What do people think of the current proposals?

Im not sure about the top 33% gain F1 up to a maximum of 35? i think it should be one or the other.

[Cockerill]

It needs to be like that Lee in case numbers drop again, then if we had 35 F1's it could be half the series. That's why the % value keeps it proportional.

[Lee]

I understand that Tom, but why cap it at 35 if you want it to be proportional, its not like it would ever go over 50 really?

[Northy]

It needs to be like that Lee in case numbers drop again, then if we had 35 F1's it could be half the series. That's why the % value keeps it proportional.

Are you on crack? Read what you put - "in case numbers drop again" - if it's a percentage the number drops too.

G

[Lee]

I cant believe i let him get away with that one :lol:


*must try harder*:thumbdown:

[ashleyb4]

Northy your on crack it makes sence to me tom.

If ive understood tom corrently he wants to keep the percentage as its a more suitable option if them numbers drop.

[Northy]

Ash, I understand percentages!

[Cockerill]

its not like it would ever go over 50 really?

'Cos people think nearly 50 F1's is too many, so the committee were asked to 're-think' the license grades for this years AGM, which they have done, and then we get to vote on it :thumbsup:

This way we can never have more than 35 F1's, and it can never be more than 33% of the total entry (for each class).

[James]

I think its fine as it is :eh?:

[Northy]

Even with the cap you could in theory have 70 F1's! :woot:

Wasn't the cut off about 38 this year? that's not too many is it? And it was a good entry.

Who was asked to 're-think' it?

G

[Cockerill]

From the '07 minutes:

Rules 21.4.1, 21.4.2 and 21.4.3 The above rules will be maintained as stated for licence grades resulting from the 2007 Championships that will be awarded for the 2008 season.

The Off-Road committee to be empowered to investigate the complete structure of the licence grade system covered by the above rules. The proposal for restructure to be published on the BRCA website by 28.02.08. This will form the basis of a committee proposal to be lodged at the 2008 AGM to take affect for licences awarded for 2009. (Rationale: - The current licence grade system has become distorted due to the large entries experienced at National events in recent years. Any changes will affect the entire racing community so needs careful planning. The proposal needs to be made public before the start of 2008 racing, so that drivers know what is required of them for 2009)

Proposed: Paul Worsley Seconded Phil Sleigh – Carried unanimously

[dave g]

4 rounds of qualifying but the last one done on generally :)

[DaveG28]

Hmmm, hadn't thought about this before, but ideally if Lipos are passed we could do with them being allowed in the indoor finals, it'll be a bitch to keep the nimh's in good working order when not using them, and how many people will have Lipo Cats or hacked other chassis by then that nimh won't fit in!?

[Cockerill]

To me the way it reads is that it will be effective as of 1st Jan 2009, the sticking point would be indoor regionals as half would have to run to NiMh, half would be run to Lipo AND NiMh.

[DaveG28]

To me the way it reads is that it will be effective as of 1st Jan 2009, the sticking point would be indoor regionals as half would have to run to NiMh, half would be run to Lipo AND NiMh.

In the past though the indoor finals has always run to the prior years rules, in this case 2008. They overrode it this year due to the IB "instead of chargin I'll blow your frikkin hand off Guv'ner" problem!!!

[Cockerill]

In the past though the indoor finals has always run to the prior years rules

Whilst that is true, the proposal reads:

Amend to read “Cars will be driven by a maximum of six rechargeable Nimh cells or two rechargeable Lithium Polymer cells in stick or saddle pack configuration, which cannot be replaced after a race has started.
(Rationale – To allow the use of Lithium Polymer (Lipo) batteries at 1/10 Off Road Regional and National events in 2009.

To me, the bit in bold means that the rule will be effective of Jan 1st. I guess we will have to wait and see. I'm sure common sense will prevail as per usual with the BRCA

[Lee]

I'm sure common sense will prevail as per usual with the BRCA

Do i sense a hint of sarcasm :lol:

[super__dan]

No I don' think so, I very much agree that in most cases common sense prevails at all times.

Tom, don't think that proposal is intended to re write the rules of when cells of whatever type become legal. However as the proposals are debated and voted at the AGM it will be sorted by those who attend on the day.

[Lee]

I have a question regarding proposals,

Can they be altered/ammended on the day during the discussion/debate or is it a case of this is the proposal and this is what we are voting for/against :confused:

Thanks in advance :thumbsup:


And i agree Dan, in the offroad section common sense does prevail, but in other classes it does not.

I remember Teemu Leino having his FTD and pole taking off him because he didnt have lights on his shell :lol:

Nobody thought about how fast he would have gone if he could see where he was going. :o

[trekkerkk]

on the lipo discussion,
ive heard that there are lipos coming out that will fit in the same space as the nimh that we are using now,
i think that these should be the benchmark for the rule as no modifacations would be required,

trekkker

[super__dan]

There are Lipo that fit in the same space now surely? I did nothing to try a trackpower stick pack on the weekend. Some have wires out of the top/side, but so do cheapo sport nicad packs which are still deemed legal.

[Body Paint]

If you took the LIPO battery itself most of the commercially available lipos would fit in the current cars.

But, we all insist that the battery is covered in a plastic case which adds a couple of mm to all the dimensions.

If you were to put a plasitic case on your NIMHs they wouldn't fit in your car either, in fact if you put an extra layer of heatshrink on some of last years cells they wouldn't fit in your half the cars.

[ashleyb4]

But the case is there for a reason to protct the lipo.

A

[Richard Lowe]

“Cars will be driven by a maximum of six rechargeable Nimh cells or two rechargeable Lithium Polymer cells in stick or saddle pack configuration...
Doesn't this exclude certain saddle packs that have more than one cell in parallel inside each 'saddle'? I'd have to check up on this but doesn't the Trakpower 4800 saddle have 3 cells in parallel in each saddle, then both saddles in series - giving 6 cells but still 7.4v?

[Chrislong]

Doesn't this exclude certain saddle packs that have more than one cell in parallel inside each 'saddle'? I'd have to check up on this but doesn't the Trakpower 4800 saddle have 3 cells in parallel in each saddle, then both saddles in series - giving 6 cells but still 7.4v?

Nope, the Trakpower 4800 saddle is 2cells.

Each Lipo cell is 3.2v. Its only the high volt cells that go over 2 cells. 7.4v is always 2 cell.

[trekkerkk]

my thoughts are still the same,
they should fit the cars without modifacation,
if some manufacturers can do it then why cant the rest,
corally being one there are more coming,

trekkker

[Chris Doughty]

my LRP 7.4v cells have 4 individual cells in them, 2 sets in parallel and those 2 sets in series 2s2p = 7.4v

[Cockerill]

I think Rich is right with this, it does seems to read as 2 individual cells, which does rule out many packs. Maybe the proposal should be modified to read (If it can be modified :confused:):

“Cars will be driven by a maximum of six rechargeable Nimh cells or two rechargeable Lithium Polymer cells in series, in stick or saddle pack configuration..."

[Cockerill]

my thoughts are still the same,
they should fit the cars without modifacation,
if some manufacturers can do it then why cant the rest,
corally being one there are more coming,

trekkker

There are already several packs that fit without issue in the same space as 6x NiMh cells, which is unlike the '07 Spec NiMh cells as they were too large for cell slots in most cars :lol:

Wasn't it this time last year when it looked as tho we would all be running Orion cells as they were the only ones within the '08 Specs, yet we ended up having more to choose from than previous years.

Maybe the manufacturers need rules to build products to, so once the rules are set we'll see more products :thumbsup:

[trekkerkk]

i agree with everything youve said tom,
manufacturers need to build to a set dimension:thumbsup:

trekkker

[Chris Doughty]

I think Rich is right with this, it does seems to read as 2 individual cells, which does rule out many packs. Maybe the proposal should be modified to read (If it can be modified :confused:):

“Cars will be driven by a maximum of six rechargeable Nimh cells or two rechargeable Lithium Polymer cells in series, in stick or saddle pack configuration..."

+1 - much better!

[MattW]

Amendments can be tabled on the day, so that shoudln't be an issue.

I think all rules voted in from that point are effective 1st April.

[Richard Lowe]

Each Lipo cell is 3.2v.
Where does the other volt in the pack come from? :p

[Reevsey]

Tom appreciate the rule reads 2009 1st jan 2009 but i think the reason why the end of season finals has always been run to the years before list is any new rules/additions to motor & battery lists do not go live until April and the end of season finals always take place in March.

I know this is mad but i think you would need another rule to suggest any rules changes are effective from 1st jan, as currently i think there are only two time periods where the lists are updated, April and one later in the year but i could be wrong

OR

Move the end of season finals to the first weekend in April

Si

[Chrislong]

Where does the other volt in the pack come from? :p

Lemons

[Lee]

Thats like asking where does the magic smoke come from rich :lol:

[Cockerill]

I'm sure the BRCA will manage to implement the rule correctly. I for one would like to see lipo allowed at the indoor finals as it will be all I have.

This is of course assuming that Lipo will be passed, although judging by other threads on here there are not many against Lipo, and a lot for it, but then again not every is on Oople (just the majority :thumbsup:)

[RcRob]

Thats like asking where does the magic smoke come from rich :lol:

try mtroniks they always seem to have lots of it spare :thumbsup:

[Lee]

What is the current price limit set by the brca for lipo?

sorry i cant be bothered to look :thumbdown:

[Cockerill]

What is the current price limit set by the brca for lipo?

sorry i cant be bothered to look :thumbdown:

2. The maximum retail price for the year starting 1st.Jan. 2008 is £80.00.

There also on a rolling homologation list (as per. motors).

[Body Paint]

But the case is there for a reason to protct the lipo.

A

I'm not saying the case is a bad thing, just that the case is not actually part of the battery.

[Lee]

If we have cases why do we need lipo sacks for charging?


Can we propose safety specs and bullet proof vests for those charging IB`s:lol:

[stegger]

If we have cases why do we need lipo sacks for charging?


Can we propose safety specs and bullet proof vests for those charging IB`s:lol:
Nah i use a welders mask:woot:

[DaveG28]

If we have cases why do we need lipo sacks for charging?


Can we propose safety specs and bullet proof vests for those charging IB`s:lol:

Cases protect from impact, but not from cell problems causing fires. Hence the sacks as well for charging!

For IB's I'd use bullet proof glass!

[Chrislong]

For IB's I'd use bullet proof glass!

For IB's.... Im trying to not use them now, no more IB roulette for me. :lol: (atleast for the foreseeable future)

[Body Paint]

For IB's.... Im trying to not use them now, no more IB roulette for me. :lol: (atleast for the foreseeable future)

I think it's called Chineese Roulette :lol::lol:

[MattW]

The problem regarding the indoor finals, is that they are the finals for series that are run during the winter, so should be run to the same rules as those series - i.e your indoor regionals. I think it would be close on impossible to implement changes at the AGM for the indoor regionals - IMHO.

[mark christopher]

Doesn't this exclude certain saddle packs that have more than one cell in parallel inside each 'saddle'? I'd have to check up on this but doesn't the Trakpower 4800 saddle have 3 cells in parallel in each saddle, then both saddles in series - giving 6 cells but still 7.4v?

Nope, the Trakpower 4800 saddle is 2cells.

Each Lipo cell is 3.2v. Its only the high volt cells that go over 2 cells. 7.4v is always 2 cell.

yup the 4800 have 3 cells in each bank in parallel (3.4v) the 2 banks wired in serries give 7.4

I think Rich is right with this, it does seems to read as 2 individual cells, which does rule out many packs. Maybe the proposal should be modified to read (If it can be modified :confused:):

“Cars will be driven by a maximum of six rechargeable Nimh cells or two rechargeable Lithium Polymer cells in series, in stick or saddle pack configuration..."

spot on amend it on the day!!

+1 - much better!

[_sleigh_]

With the BRCA AGM only about 2 weeks away.

Who's definately coming??

Which section meeting will you be attending??

In terms of "1/10th Off-Road", do you know of any clubs that will be applying for a National '09 meeting that haven't done so yet?? (Deadline is normally the AGM date)

[Lee]

In terms of "1/10th Off-Road", do you know of any clubs that will be applying for a National '09 meeting that haven't done so yet?? (Deadline is normally the AGM date)

Wow, i cant believe that the 2009 nats are just round the corner, entry forms will be out in the next couple of months :o

[Chrislong]

I'll definately be there with Claire, and hopefully travelling with Latham and Chris Cocker... lets get a list formed, there should be no excuse for missing this (except for Mia's christening).

But if you want Lipo, I stress you really need to make time for this AGM if this is the first and only one you'll ever attend. The proposal needs votes, without votes it doesn;t have a chance, and if that happens despite the amount of support for Lipo in here then it'd be a crying shame.

It's likely to be a 9am start (check BRCA.org). The address is Thistly Hough High School, Newcastle Lane, Penkhull, STOKE ON TRENT, ST4 5JJ. The address is on the BRCA website homepage top right corner and an Agenda will no doubt appear there also in due course. :thumbsup:

[stegger]

Where,date and what time ? 10th off road for me:thumbsup: How are the proposals passed is it by vote, show of hands etc ? Have never been to an AGM before:) AGM VIRGIN ME:blush:

[stegger]

:thumbsup: chris :woot::woot:

[Lee]

What are the chances of getting to the agm and casting a vote and then getting to york for a christening :confused:

[_sleigh_]

Errrrr. No :p

[stegger]

depends on the time of the christening and the vote. 120 miles, 2hours 12min according to the aa ;) sure you could do it quicker then that though:o

[Lee]

I didnt know what time it usually finished :confused:

[Lee]

depends on the time of the christening and the vote. 120 miles, 2hours 12min according to the aa ;) sure you could do it quicker then that though:o


EASY !!!!!!!


In the toy as well :thumbsup:

[bigred5765]

we will defo be there as Chris said were all going in my milf wagon, i believe tom(multi euro a finalist)cockril is coming with us also,what time do we need to be at your Chris,

O Chris can you pm me your postcode and door number