Tamiya Tourers next Friday ...

[siddus74]

A few if us have agreed to run tamiya tub tourers next Friday in Clubmans.

TT01's etc 13.5 max, bring it back in line and close for fun.

So far ....

Chris B
Chris G
Scott
Stuart
Charlie
Nigel

Every one else welcome

Scott

[msmith105e]

do you think my ta03 would qualify if i run it using my 13.5 motor and blinky mode ?

[cunawarit]

Tempting... Although, meh.. TL01 is monocoque, not a tub :( As for your belt driven carbon fibre car Martin... No tub there either.

Will have to carefully consider this, I am finding my Mardave rather enjoyable.

PS: Right not I am tempted to say "YOLO! I'm doing it!". But I reserve my right to change my mind without prior warning or consideration for anyone's feelings.

[reg]

I mentioned I'm watching one on the bay,I was told the people intending to run them in this thread wouldn't be happy if I ran one as they are a TC :confused:

[siddus74]

I guess tubs are not important, but the idea was just to bring it closer and more fun, more about driving and less about speed and foam ...

I guess the clubman lads know when they are pushing the gentlemans agreement ;-)

Scott

[cunawarit]

It is hard to draw the line, right? What makes a TT01 not a TC? The fact that it is made of cheap brittle plastic? I'd say that TTs, TLs, TBs, and early TAs are touring cars, just slightly budget plastic ones.

[cunawarit]

I guess tubs are not important, but the idea was just to bring it closer and more fun, more about driving and less about speed and foam ...

OK, now that's sounding even better :) No foams??? Has everyone agreed to that?

PS: I'm not giving up on the Dave, but I don't mind some tourer days like this :) Not that my Dave is that quick anyhow seems to be about the same as your Mini Scott.

PPS: Whilst I agree with having a tourers gentleman's agreement to keep things sensible and slower than the TC class I'd hate to see the variety go away though. Last Friday we had a home-brew Schumacher/Mardave creation that went round the track like stink. Come on, that's also nice to see!

[msmith105e]

i suppose i could unlock the rear diff in my ta03f drifter and run that :)

[cunawarit]

FWIW, Chris Petch's F1 didn't seem to be too quick either. He was about the same with that than his tourer.

Then again, he was running a sensible motor in the F1... unlike the tourer.

[siddus74]

It was Charlie's idea really, he will run foam im sure ... Its only an idea for next week for mo.

[reg]

Tbh the marmacher was good fun but i only used it as we couldn't get the other car running

Surly all tamiyas come with a silver can,the gearing is set so kids can run them untill the Nim goes flat,throw another battery in a off again,surly if you stick to std gearing the silvercan will last?

[cunawarit]

Are you going to try and get the Mardave going for next week? :) Coz I have lipos waiting here so I should be able to finish races now.

[siddus74]

I think its more the lads wanting a close race thats all, a close race between multiple car classed is great but things are running away a little in the class I feel ... How fast were the leading cars? That mardave was faster than the gt12s thats not fun in my eyes and it should have been in with the 12's.

Its all about choice I guess but going by the brief chat we had about it for the most want it sensible and fun and close .. Let the others run away with it if they like, it wil soon get boring for them im sure.

Scott

[cunawarit]

OK, so if it is about keeping things close then Chris' F1 and my Mardave should be OK. You overtook me with your M-chassis... a dirty, filthy, underhanded, grubby and bordering on the immoral overtaking manoeuvre. But you overtook me nonetheless ;)

Just kidding mate, I am well aware I used my oversized bumper to do the same the previous week.

PS: We should also keep in mind the skill gap between racers, even with the exact same car some people would be running away from the rest. In off-road where all things are equal in terms of power I am often 3 laps or so below the tops guys. I'm not saying some cars aren't ballistic, just simply saying that I'll get lapped even if we are all driving totally stock TT02s.

[siddus74]

Chris G made a comment that was, others are putting faster motors in now so I'm running a 10.5 ... Thats how its starts..

[cunawarit]

Surly all tamiyas come with a silver can,the gearing is set so kids can run them untill the Nim goes flat,throw another battery in a off again,surly if you stick to std gearing the silvercan will last?

Different cars come with different standard gearings and some will be speedy whilst others will crawl round the track like three legged tortoises.

[cunawarit]

Chris G made a comment that was, others are putting faster motors in now so I'm running a 10.5 ... Thats how its starts..

!!!!!!!!!!! 10.5?????? :thumbdown: I'm sticking with the sealed can motors.

How about a rule like if you are within a certain percentage of the top TC guy you get moved to TC and score points for the TC class. And if you are running a 10.5 or foams or anything of the sort and get moved to TC then you simply score no points as you have an illegal TC.

PS: In an ideal world there would be two legal motors, one for 4WD cars and another for 2WD cars. Both cheap, let's say HPI's 15T sealed can for 4WD and HPI's 20T for 2WD. Done. If anyone hasn't got those motors the club could supply them for 7 quid a pop or so.

The silly power race needs to stop, people will get fed up and switch to another class.

[msmith105e]

i feel like i am being persecuted a little for running a carbon chassis and 9t motor... the fact that i dont have any ball race bearings in my car seems insignificant... i am still almost level with gui's mini down the streight but i cannot touch him through the corners.... we need to remember that this class is self governing and we should all be taking it light heartedly and sticking to the unwritten rules of making each car evenly matched on speed and cornering ability... i gave a few laps with chris' ta02 tourer yesterday and that seems much faster than my ta03 even though the motor is a whole 3 turns slower.... :thumbsup:

[siddus74]

Martin, I didn't have you car in mind buddy ... Yours does seem comparable, it is self governed ... No one is being prosecuted mate, Charlie mentioned it and we thought it would be enjoyable thats all...

[cunawarit]

All of those sensorless motors can be utterly brutal if geared right even the 13T, its all about managing the temp. There's not a whole lot of difference with the right gearing between my 9T and my 12T. You have gearing that makes it top out quick, hence the lack of speed.

[msmith105e]

dont worry scott.. i've not got the hump, i'm still loving the clubman class it just seems that i have had to spend money to build this car to even make myself somewhere near competitive which is not what the class was introduced for.... i felt that certain cars on friday took the absoloute piss to be fair... not very spirited ! i think the tub tourers are a great idea and i will be building my drifter back into a circuit car for this coming week's racing :thumbsup:

[cunawarit]

And Martin whilst I have no issue with you running a 9T if you have no bearings and gear it slow, one of the problems is that once someone hears that you have a 9T they will feel that they can also run a 9T and they will not gear it slow or run bushings.

[Chris56]

Bloody hell guys, I leave my computer for 1hr to go shopping and look what I have come back to!!!!!!!

I do totally agree with the above comments, the rules should be simple:
touring cars, run min 13t brushless
direct drive cars, run silver can.

Martin, personally I don't have an issue with you running that 9t, its hardly any different to my 12t and is slower than Gui's crazy 9t or my Dualsky 8.5t.

My only other suggestion would be for us to have some simple drag races at the start of the night and adjust our throttles so that cars have similar straight line pace.

With regards F1s, I was running silver can, foams and LIPO and was left for dead by Lee's and Dave's. I have heard of some interest in running a separate f1 class with maybe a Saturn 27t stock motor. This will make them much faster than Tamiya tourers, so should they run in The TC class, but scoring points in a separate championship?

[cunawarit]

di felt that certain cars on friday took the absoloute piss to be fair...

I suggested that it gets discussed at the meeting on Monday.

[cunawarit]

I do totally agree with the above comments, the rules should be simple:
touring cars, run min 13t brushless
direct drive cars, run silver can.

I'm against silvercans or any sealed can motor with no internal fan. Dealing with the temp is just annoying...

[cunawarit]

My only other suggestion would be for us to have some simple drag races at the start of the night and adjust our throttles so that cars have similar straight line pace.

Acceleration as well as top speed? Coz I can gear a 23T to have the same top speed down the straight as a 15T yet the 15T is more drivable as I get decent acceleration and don't melt my chassis with motor heat. Running a faster motor is always advantageous even when geared to have the same top speed as a slower motor if it allows you to get to that top speed quicker.

[reg]

Lee and daviddidnt take the piss,Dave just wanted to give his car
a run and I think they both would be more than happy to put a silver an in,

13,5 is what is run in the TC class so in theory the club man TC class could be silly quick,

[Dave Dodd]

13,5 is what is run in the TC class so in theory the club man TC class could be silly quick,

This is why I mentioned the tt01and varieties there of, although plastic fantastic it is more tourer than clubman.

[siddus74]

Not sure where thread is going lads but it is as simple as 6 guys with tamiya non jelly moulds tubs, non ball diffs, little carbon, closed gearing wanting to see sensibly paced closed rubbing of nice body shells ... Ive run my tt02 in with the tourers and its not fun or competitive ....

Not asking for adjustments to the class just saying that its what we were planing to do next week ... Join in if you like it close thats all, if you dont want to no biggy

[cunawarit]

Scott, when I heard 10.5T motors I simply got worried (all panty twisted if I am honest) about a power race. I don't care about disparity between cars, the F1s will be quicker. I don't mind. But I do care about ever increasing speeds as that will take away from the fun of Clubman.

If it eventually becomes a class where the cars feel as uncontrollable as off road or TC then meh...

PS:

"tamiya non jelly moulds tubs, non ball diffs, little carbon, closed gearing wanting to see sensibly paced closed rubbing of nice body shells"

Nice body shells? That rules me out ;) Till I get my Camaro shell painted I'll be running the TC body :( Boo for me I know...

[siddus74]

I totally agree Guy ... I ran a torque tuned in my m06 and was completely out classed ... I don't want to get into the power race either, the whole gentleman speed power thing of the clubman makes the class it is, it would be a shame to see the cars get faster and faster at that point you may as well go to a class where there are rules and then you have a chance of being competitive.

Problem is there isn't a class where a lovely looking tamiya 10th is competitive unless its run with other lovely looking tamiya 10th's etc :-)

Scott

[reg]

Not sure where thread is going lads but it is as simple as 6 guys with tamiya non jelly moulds tubs, non ball diffs, little carbon, closed gearing wanting to see sensibly paced closed rubbing of nice body shells ... Ive run my tt02 in with the tourers and its not fun or competitive ....

Not asking for adjustments to the class just saying that its what we were planing to do next week ... Join in if you like it close thats all, if you dont want to no biggy

I think it going to roll on week in week out,as people run a different car each week it's impossible for someone to know what's in the gentleman's agreement or even what chassis is allowed!why not just run std kit,what ever chassis is run,they will be different speeds but that's from the chassis design and the std gearing the car is designed for?you won't get any closer racing than that for each class

[siddus74]

Ok im up for that ... TT02 came with a torque tuned and tamiya esc kit gearing is already installed.

[cunawarit]

I am happy with my TL01 and Mardave's pace. We seem to usually run relatively close Scott. I didn't feel your M06 was that slow :) We ran fairly close... till I ran out of battery... twice.

[cunawarit]

Ok im up for that ... TT02 came with a torque tuned and tamiya esc kit gearing is already installed.

Even pogo stick shocks?

I'm not too keen on totally stock classes, one chassis will become dominant and it'll be something like the TB04 class.

I find moding the cars fun and making a POS like the TL01 competitive against new TT02s. :) Why do you think I ran a Traxxas for so long?

[leedolby77]

Oh dear...... I thought clubman was just for fun? The week before I had a silver can in my F103 and it was quicker than my F104 that I ran this Friday. I will run my f103 with my silver can next week and let you guys moan about that as well.....

[Chris56]

Im up for that too. Bit unsure what to do as TA02 is freakishly slow with my27t brushed, but too fast with 12/13t brushless. I could gear it down but that would give way too much acceleration, which it already already has and im already using the largest pinion possible.

[Chris56]

I don't think we are having a moan Lee, its just the clubman class is new and a bit of debate as to where the class is going and if any restrictions need bringing in is always healthy.

At the end of the day, we want to get it right and listening to views on whats working/whats not is beneficial

[reg]

Even pogo stick shocks?

I'm not too keen on totally stock classes, one chassis will become dominant and it'll be something like the TB04 class.

I find moding the cars fun and making a POS like the TL01 competitive against new TT02s. :) Why do you think I ran a Traxxas for so long?

That whole statement goes against what everyone is trying to stop,
If you have mods to your car to be on the pase of others,what chance does someone have running one as stock,no difference to what my car was on Friday,

To say one will be more dominent is clearly telling that you want to win,if you have a heat of 10 and 8 are running pure stock and nose to tail with 2 std mardave 2 laps down so be it as it's all for fun and whT your all after

[Chris56]

I'm against silvercans or any sealed can motor with no internal fan. Dealing with the temp is just annoying...

Wimp:p

Having said that my silvercan was dangerously hot on friday, regardless of how I geared it!

[reg]

Im up for that too. Bit unsure what to do as TA02 is freakishly slow with my27t brushed, but too fast with 12/13t brushless. I could gear it down but that would give way too much acceleration, which it already already has and im already using the largest pinion possible.

But if it's all std it will the same pace as anyone else running one :)

[Chris56]

But if it's all std it will the same pace as anyone else running one :)

It is standard, except for the brushless combo, foams and the dremelling I had to do in order to fit a square lipo!

[reg]

I think it will be more rewarding beating a newer deigned car with an older chassis both being set up as std

[cunawarit]

That whole statement goes against what everyone is trying to stop,
If you have mods to your car to be on the pase of others,what chance does someone have running one as stock,no difference to what my car was on Friday,

To say one will be more dominent is clearly telling that you want to win,if you have a heat of 10 and 8 are running pure stock and nose to tail with 2 std mardave 2 laps down so be it as it's all for fun and whT your all after

I don't agree and FWIW I don't have any issues with your car on Friday. Whilst your make a valid point if all cars started equal that isn't the case for Clubman. Some people are running vintage machines and it would be unrealistic to expect them to stick with bushings, mechanical speedos, pogo stick shocks etc...

My worry isn't about some cars being quicker than others, that's A-OK. My worry isn't about some people winning all the time. That's fine too, you are more skilled than most of the clubman field, so it is natural that someone like you will walk away with a trophy at the end. My only worry is that slower people (those like me) will go for more and more power in order to catch up better skilled people. I am worried about cars being out of control as opposed to some cars being way faster than others. There's often carnage in off road that involves replacing parts regularly, that's what I want to avoid.

I'd happily have Clubman be a non-scoring class with no trophies. But I am sure others wouldn't agree :)

[msmith105e]

apologies if my earlier post may've seemed a little harsh.. those that know me are aware that i am quite outspoken, i paint trucks for a living, i am definitely no politician :lol: .... very rarely do i even look at the figures on the printout after each race, it seems to me people are looking at taking this far too seriously.. i do see that there seems to be a gap in our classes for people that want to run faster cars that do not fit into the brca regulated classes... and as for 13.5 clubman cars being just as fast as 13.5 tourers :thumbdown:, i shall be running my 20 year old plastic tamiya with rubber band drive on 13.5 blinky this friday and i will be smiling whether i win or lose :thumbsup:

[Chris56]

I've just read the tread back from the start (3 pages in a couple of hours - thats good going!).

Feel free to shoot me down about the following ideas, but takes quite a lot already discussed into account.
- With so many different cars, running stock is not an option as, unless you are a complete anorak, how will you know whether something is stock or a hop up. The TA01/02 came with oil dampers as std but the TT01 with pogo shocks.

- Motor in Touring chassis is irrelevant as so many other factors (lipo/nimh, gearing, esc, weight etc) can have a bigger effect on speed/acceleration).

- If its for fun, perhaps scrap the points/trophy system.

- If you do want to race, decide who you are racing and then take note of whether you beat them or not.

-if you want to race others as a "class" (eg like in the first post of this thread), drivers agree a set of rules between themselves.

- if somebody is running a super fast car, let them so long as they don't cause problems, or move them to the TC class, but they don't score points.

Im just thinking out load so there maybe some major flaws in these ideas!

[reg]

It is standard, except for the brushless combo, foams and the dremelling I had to do in order to fit a square lipo!

Lol,
I see the battery mod and bearing set a good idea,

[Chris56]

those that know me are aware that i am quite outspoken:

I don't think you're outspoken, just a mardy-arse like me:p:p

[siddus74]

No trophies means it week on week and every week is a new championship :-) aggree on what you want to run during the week etc and people can try to match perhaps ... Im glad the clubman exists purely and simply so I can run my Tamiya 10ths what ever they are .... Regulating it may see that stop, it was just a thought that this week a few of us wanted to run the same kind of car thats all ...

I trophy is great yeah, but I wouldn't run my fasted car solid for 8 weeks to get it and sacrifice the close rubbing and position swapping with Guy / Chris and Charlie to get it .. Some of my most rewarding races are when I have come 3rd or 4th place and end up going home with a proper smile ..:thumbsup:

[cunawarit]

- if somebody is running a super fast car, let them so long as they don't cause problems, or move them to the TC class, but they don't score points.

That's the key thing for me, I don't mind if Paul, reg, or Chris G run silly motors as long as people like me don't copy them. You cannot trust me with a 7.5T motor and a lightweight car... I'll take half the field out. Remember, I am the person that cut a buggy in two with a Losi.

[reg]

If I went out and bought an old Tamiya,I would like to fit into a class that didn't chose down the pub what it is that week,I think you all think that we want to walk away and romp home 3 laps ahead,not true,I had the most fun running gt12 being less than a second between 4 drivers,it would be awsome to race nose to tail with a heat of proper looking cars.

Ps i had a 13.5 in the car and have never run a silly motor,I used to run a 13.5 in my buggy and will be running a 17.5 in my TC!

[leedolby77]

Well to " try and fit in " I have just bought a TT01 crock of sh@", I will put a 13.5 motor in and race that on Friday. ( could even try and race it in reverse if that helps? )

If I sound like a grumpy git then so be it, but I really do not like the way some members seem to be driving the club ( excuse the pun ) in possibly the wrong direction. Yes some people are going to the better drivers than others, but that is life. If we were all the same then how boring would that be!

[reg]

I hope that isn't the crock of sh@7t iv been watching all week pmsl

[siddus74]

Geeze all I did was post the idea that a couple of use wanted to run the same kind of car and people are getting upset, wasn't even my idea ... But we do have the right to choose to run similar cars at the end of the day .. No one is being forced into conforming and running with us ..

In what way is the club going in the wrong direction?

Scott

[cunawarit]

I think you all think that we want to walk away and romp home 3 laps ahead

To be fair put us both in equal cars and you'll probably end up 3 to 4 laps ahead of me.

[leedolby77]

Racing at the club used to be so much fun with everyone getting along. ( for the most ). All the seems to happen now is some people just moan moan moan. Has anyone actually noticed that some of the very good drivers that the club has been catering for are not coming as much or in some cases at all?.... There are some things that could be said but as this is a very public forum maybe this is not the place.

[reg]

We want to race with everyone in the class,not be classed as "taking the piss"
Charlie said after the finals"forget that cheating gits lap times and the other two"
We wernt around at the gentleman's agreement so not sure how i cheated,
We all want to race against each other as said before but when the classes are so mixed up its hard.

[leedolby77]

We want to race with everyone in the class,not be classed as "taking the piss"
Charlie said after the finals"forget that cheating gits lap times and the other two"
We wernt around at the gentleman's agreement so not sure how i cheated,
We all want to race against each other as said before but when the classes are so mixed up its hard.

I had no idea that he said that. Well maybe some people are more grumpy than others. It would be interesting to see if he could say that face to face..... Anyway Reg as I thought it would be rude to only buy one, I bought 2 so you can race one........

[cunawarit]

Agreed, nobody should feel that they are getting insulted or accused of cheating when they haven't broken any rules.

Someone who shall remain nameless did accuse my Mardave of being too quick... when running a Silvercan!!! As I said on page one, like it or not it isn't all about the car, some drivers are better than others and they would win even if all cars are equal. If you doubt that look at the spread in GT12.

My sole concern with Clubman is generally avoiding carnage due to excessive power. Those coming first usually aren't at fault, they get there because they are fast as well as consistent.

PS: If anyone wants to borrow my TL01 and put a stop to accusations by winning with it they are welcome to try :) Just pls replace broken parts as I am broke.

[Chris56]

Racing at the club used to be so much fun with everyone getting along. ( for the most ). All the seems to happen now is some people just moan moan moan. Has anyone actually noticed that some of the very good drivers that the club has been catering for are not coming as much or in some cases at all?.... There are some things that could be said but as this is a very public forum maybe this is not the place.

Lee, if there are specific things people don't like about the club then please let us know. Me, Dave, Martin and Gui are all on the committee and are active on this forum - if you have something to say that you don't want publishing on the public forum then please pm one of us.

At the end of the day we can't please everyone but we try to please as many people as we can, thats why we offer so many classes - if you don't enjoy one then you can try another. I stopped racing buggy on a friday as I wasn't enjoying it but am loving clubman.

[siddus74]

Not been coming to club that long so I can comment on that, I enjoy the clubman class for the reasons I have previously stated and stand by them, if it comes to it I'll just do my own tamiya thing and take my chances ... I'm certaining not going it get dragged into any class wars ... :thumbdown:

Of course there are going to be better drivers and more competitive drivers etc that's a good thing for the most, and those drivers running comparable cars will shine like a new penny I'm sure.

I regret posting it now, should have just kept quiet and turned up and run perhaps ...

Same old, same old ... Every club suffers from this kind if thing, the worse thing is the written text often does not carry the intent it was written in so things get taken the wrong way.

[Chris56]

Problem with typing long posts - 3 more tend to come in before hitting the "post" button

[siddus74]

Buggies next Friday anyone?:(

[Chris56]

Can't: although I have a Hobao H2 that is awesome to drive I have sold my hornet and 73% of my Manta Ray

[msmith105e]

Has anyone actually noticed that some of the very good drivers that the club has been catering for are not coming as much or in some cases at all?.... There are some things that could be said but as this is a very public forum maybe this is not the place.

if we are not made aware of the reasons for this then i'm not sure how the problems are meant to be resolved :confused: pat g had informed us that the reason him and certain other gt12 drivers had not been attending so regularly was because of the loss of grip due to the large ammounts of fluff and debris on the track, so myself, chris petch, dave dodd and my mrs had stopped late after the buggy blitz and spent two hours hoovering the carpet and getting rid of some of the broken track markers to try to improve the racing experience for everyone. feel free to send me a pm on here if there are any issues you would like to bring to light out of the public eye ;)

[cunawarit]

Same old, same old ... Every club suffers from this kind if thing, the worse thing is the written text often does not carry the intent it was written in so things get taken the wrong way.

Hehe, totally. I'm half way through writing something detailing why that happens at clubs, just doing it for the hell of it.

And I published a paper long ago on your second point. Without facial expressions or the emotions expressed via the spoken word you are free to interpret text in ways that can easily enrage you :) When that wasn't the intention of the writer.

PS: Happy to give buggy a go alongside Clubman. Enjoying the onroad stuff more TBH. But did enjoy the silly Venom tyres.

[siddus74]

Off topic, but can anyone point me in the direction of the foam tyres for the touring cars please?

[msmith105e]

off topic scott lol :D , i believe chris petch uses contact foams... unsure where he gets his from but they seem to work very well !, i think we should all run kit tyres without inserts....... and mechanical speed controllers... while were at it why not ban 2.4 gig and get everyone to use 27meg..... might give little drew bexton half a chance with his m03 :thumbsup:

[cunawarit]

You can get them from the Schumacher site.

[Chris56]

Or Dave, just ask him for "the ones you sold Chris"!

[leedolby77]

Lee, if there are specific things people don't like about the club then please let us know. Me, Dave, Martin and Gui are all on the committee and are active on this forum - if you have something to say that you don't want publishing on the public forum then please pm one of us.

At the end of the day we can't please everyone but we try to please as many people as we can, thats why we offer so many classes - if you don't enjoy one then you can try another. I stopped racing buggy on a friday as I wasn't enjoying it but am loving clubman.

Hi Chris, I know you guys do a great job and fully appreciate all you do. It is just a shame that some people make what should be a fun evening into a moan session. I will speak to you about some issues, but would rather do that in person as messages do not aways work in trying to get your views across.

Personally I really enjoyed clubman on Friday as I was able to race ( legally ) with other racers ( not all with the same chassis and setup ) and over 5 mins be separated by a handful of seconds. For me anyway that is what it is all about. As with real racing the field will be split into a couple of groups who are in the same race but racing against other people. Let's not forget these are only toys?

[reg]

I had no idea that he said that. Well maybe some people are more grumpy than others. It would be interesting to see if he could say that face to face..... Anyway Reg as I thought it would be rude to only buy one, I bought 2 so you can race one........


He did say it to my face,but not sure why he didn't say after the first round if it was a problem!but hayho it for fun :)

Brill I can't wait for Friday,should be a giggle :)

Skidd I don't see the problem with your original post or anyother,all we are doing is trying to all have fun,not easy if you are made to feel you don't fit in or cheating,
So what's the spec of what you will be running Friday?motor,gearing,speedo settings,tires?

[cunawarit]

Let's not forget these are only toys?

Wise words indeed. But last time I said that at the pub I felt like I had just turned a friendly bunch of people into a pitchfork wielding lynch mob.

[leedolby77]

Wise words indeed. But last time I said that at the pub I felt like I had just turned a friendly bunch of people into a pitchfork wielding lynch mob.

To be fair as I was typing those words my eyelid was twitching

[cunawarit]

So what's the spec of what you will be running Friday?motor,gearing,speedo settings,tires?

So you guys bought plastic fatastic POS cheap Tamiyas too?

If I run my TL01 it has a bruhesd HPI Firebolt 15T sealed can thing with 6.57 gearing. Speedo settings you say? Don't have those, running a no-brand speedo with no settings not even calibration. And Sorex 28s.

Although, I don't know if I will run it yet. I am having fun with the Mardave.

[msmith105e]

To be fair as I was typing those words my eyelid was twitching

pmsl lee, scale model vehicles or toy cars..... theres only one way to find out.....

[reg]

Wise words indeed. But last time I said that at the pub I felt like I had just turned a friendly bunch of people into a pitchfork wielding lynch mob.

Did you wake up with a horses head in your bed :thumbsup:

Martin I think it would be boring with no cars going round after 30sec :lol:

[reg]

pmsl lee, scale model vehicles or toy cars..... theres only one way to find out.....


:thumbsup:

[siddus74]

Chris, what grades and offset dude?

[cunawarit]

Did you wake up with a horses head in your bed :thumbsup:

I'm still getting the "we know where you live" phone calls...

[leedolby77]

So are we putting thus all to bed now and starting from fresh on Friday?:thumbsup:

[reg]

So you guys bought plastic fatastic POS cheap Tamiyas too?

If I run my TL01 it has a bruhesd HPI Firebolt 15T sealed can thing with 6.57 gearing. Speedo settings you say? Don't have those, running a no-brand speedo with no settings not even calibration. And Sorex 28s.

Although, I don't know if I will run it yet. I am having fun with the Mardave

Like I said at the start,I asked about running a TT01 and was told I couldn't because it's a TC,
Could someone let us know the "rules,spec," ASAP for running a tto1

[leedolby77]

Or this.......

[cunawarit]

So are we putting thus all to bed now and starting from fresh on Friday?:thumbsup:

I guess we are :) I'm happy as long as nobody moans about my Mardave. I've just put a Castle motor in it and 4S. But don't worry, I've mounted four 1/8 scale wings around the body to keep it nice and controllable.

[cunawarit]

Like I said at the start,I asked about running a TT01 and was told I couldn't because it's a TC,
Could someone let us know the "rules,spec," ASAP for running a tto1

oh dear... Sorry about that, I thought the TT01 was about the perfect Clubman car. Just stick a 13.5 with no timing and you'll be OK I think. When Scott has run a 13.5 he's been very close to my sealed can 15T.

[reg]

I guess we are :) I'm happy as long as nobody moans about my Mardave. I've just put a Castle motor in it and 4S. But don't worry, I've mounted four 1/8 scale wings around the body to keep it nice and controllable.

I'm just charging up my glow start ready friday:lol:

[siddus74]

I'll be bringing a tt02 and a tb04 for clubmans and I will be running them both and if anybody moans they can keep my points as I don't care about it as long as I can beat Charlie :thumbsup:

Both have a 13.5 installed, oil shocks, and beautiful bodies :lol:

Scott not skid, although I'm going to run with it as my driver name:p

How do I book in with the driver name Skidd?:D

[siddus74]

We have one more championship after this one don't we? I've sold the f104 pro and opted for a simple f104w that should be ready in a couple of weeks :thumbsup:

Stock gearing and silver can, so keep yours unbroken Chris!

Skidd

[reg]

:blush: :lol:

What's happend to you all running a tto1?
So basically if it's 4WD then we run 13.5 blinky,with any hop ups and any tires
If we run F1 it's silver can or brushless equivalent blinky,any hopups and any tires,
Mini is black can blinky,any hop ups and any tires.
No points for anyone just good racing each week.

[msmith105e]

:blush: :lol:

What's happend to you all running a tto1?
So basically if it's 4WD then we run 13.5 blinky,with any hop ups and any tires
If we run F1 it's silver can or brushless equivalent blinky,any hopups and any tires,
Mini is black can blinky,any hop ups and any tires.
No points for anyone just good racing each week.

sounds good to me !

[Chris56]

Fine with me - but will confirm at committee meeting tomorrow, then get the agreed rules published on the website so everybodyt can see :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[siddus74]

I like the idea of f1 silver can or brushless equivalent which is 21.5 turn because you get brakes ..

[Dave Dodd]

Enjoying the posts ;)

Right let's allow all the tamiya chassis except TRF (so no pro type tourer chassis this includes the Schumacher mi1/mission etc.) 13.5 blinky/zero timing (or we can see how they go) as I know there is a weak part in the transmission on the tt01 (unless it's been updated) so u can't run them too hot.. scale ish shells, no tourer shells.

I enjoy the clubman class, its different each week and always looks quite close for most, even with all the different motor specs.
As some of you have said it's not always the winning but the close racing between yourselves which is more fun.

It's all supposed to be fun and friendly :)

I know drivers have left but others joined in their place.
Gt12 has become quiet but some drivers have just changed class, we still have them ;)


The only clubman car I have is an m03, which Chris g, Chris p and Charlie know all about lol. (Ive not ran it for some time lol) rear motored 6.5bl :lol:

Will discuss and finalize at tomorrows meeting.

[leedolby77]

So F1 still allowed but with silver can? hate to ask.........:cry:

[siddus74]

Those rules seem good... Please 21.5 blinks for f1 .... I know they are slower than 27 but better on battery and brakes.

Skidd.

[leedolby77]

Those rules seem good... Please 21.5 blinks for f1 .... I know they are slower than 27 but better on battery and brakes.

Skidd.

Thats all well and good but if you do not have 21.5 then we will need to go out and buy one.......

[reg]

What about silver can in every class,
Use what the cars were designed to use?
If you arnt chasing the lap times of a different model by going max on the gearing it should be fine,that way if it doesn't work we haven't sheld out on motors we arnt going to use

[leedolby77]

Ah.... I have it.... how about an invitation only class? If your names not down your not coming in?....:thumbsup:

[reg]

Ah.... I have it.... how about an invitation only class? If your names not down your not coming in?....:thumbsup:


That might be the case when you stick your black foot down with a 13.5 in on friday:thumbsup:

[leedolby77]

That might be the case when you stick your black foot down with a 13.5 in on friday:thumbsup:

Now theres an idea:thumbsup:

[Chris56]

Now theres an idea:thumbsup:

If you do that i think Martin might crush it with his twin detonator:D

[cunawarit]

Crickey, leave a thread alone for a few minutes and...

From my selfish personal perspective the rules talked about sound good, but how about scale shells encouraged but not necessarily enforced? Speaking entirely selfishly as pointed out earlier I do have that green touring shell that was sent by mistake when I ordered a red AE86 shell. It hasn't got any cracks and I would hate to have to put it away. Ideally I'd like to get some good use out of it before swapping for my as yet unpainted Camaro shell which is far more scale looking.

As for the other rules I agree with the point made about silvercan or brushless equivalent. It should be both, in a class that's supposed to be budget people shouldn't be forced to go out and buy a tonne of new kit. The Blackfoot example given in jest is amusingly good in my opinion, if someone turns up with a Black Foot or a Traxxas Grave Digger I see no reason for me to object. Martin did race that Twin Detonator and caused no carnage... I don't know about others, but I like the extreme variety, it isn't often that you see a twin motor monster truck go against an m-chassis, a Mardave and an F104. That's part of what makes Clubman cool.

Let's be honest, so far the class has been incredibly freaking close. Closer than classes that have stricter rules. So my main thought going into the Monday meeting is that we should try and make sure we don't go over the top introducing too many rules for Clubman to solve a problem that doesn't exist just because of what was said on Oople once.

PS: To prove that point I'll happily do a round of off road and I am pretty sure that driving my fastest I'll still be 3 to 4 laps slower that the top guys and my buggy isn't slow. When I didn't race Clubman I used to be close to Martin and Chris, and guess what... In Clubman I am also close to Martin and Chris. It isn't the cars...

[siddus74]

Wasn't saying no silver can in f1 but allow 21.5 as well I would rather have the slower rpm but have the brakes and torque .... But happy to stay silver can .. At least with brushless you know it is what it is unlike silver can with peeled stickers :o

Skidd.

[cunawarit]

Good point :) I hate the no torque feel of silvercans too, it didn't seem to matter too much in the Mardave though... And it still got hot as hell.

[Chris56]

Torque was exactly what the F103 was lacking on friday

[cunawarit]

Try the HPI 20T as suggested by TIC Racing. :) ... I know it'll be quicker than the silvercans, but not much more and I reckon there will be a lot less heat issues and they will last lots longer. I don't want ppl to get accused of cheating though.

I suggested the HPI 20T before as it seemed cheaper and easier overall.

[siddus74]

In all honesty I had a torque tuned in my F104, on the large (slow) spur and had to run at 80 percent EPA because on the straight it was too fast ... The 21.5 is BRCA std for F1 ... and in this instance they got it right :yawn:

Scott aka Skidd on predictive text ...:thumbsup:

[cunawarit]

Off topic, but my tablet auto-corrects Tamiya to Taliban. That could lead to SOOOooooooooooo many problems.

[siddus74]

In all honesty I had a torque tuned in my F104, on the large (slow) spur and had to run at 80 percent EPA because on the straight it was too fast ... The 21.5 is BRCA std for F1 ... and in this instance they got it right :yawn:

Scott aka Skidd on predictive text ...:thumbsup:

[cunawarit]

OK, not my Dave uses the same batts as my TL01. I can race both vehicles easily. Would be nice to compare performance side by side. Hopefully there will be good grip from round 1 now that the carpet has been hoovered.

[Chris56]

Lee was using a Saturn 27T - which I also have (£1 BNIB!!!!!!) so might try that, although if everybody is running silver can then lack of torque won't be an issue as we will all be in the same boat.

[cunawarit]

Yeah, the crappy, gutless, small displacement 4 pot boat that nobody ever wants to board :(

V8!

PS: And a leaky radiator to boot....

PPS: Being honest I didn't find the silvercan gutless in the mardave, it was a lil more punchy than the fan can with a lil less top speed. Performance was great in fact... However... it cooked itself. Lap times were good too! Maybe it is because I don't have a heat sink nor a fan installed.

[oldfoggy]

Well that took some reading!
The rules are on the website!, if you are within the set rules what is the problem.

[reg]

Well that took some reading!
The rules are on the website!, if you are within the set rules what is the problem.

We were within the rules but called cheats!
That's the problem.

[Chris56]

I thought a line had been drawn under all this, but I have copied this straight from the club website and these were also included in the handouts that were given on 3rd Jan:

Clubman:
Chassis: Primarily Mini but “moderately paced” touring cars, F1s and Mardave Mini-Stox welcome.
Bodyshell: Any
Motor: Any but 10t (19t brushed) or slower preferred. Silver can only for F1 or other direct drive cars
Tyres: Any type of foam or rubber tyre
Electronics: Maximum of 7.2v Nimh/Nicad Batteries - Maximum of nominal 7.4v Lipo Batteries only.

So if you operate within these, you are not a cheat.
We have a meeting tonight and what was posted on this forum will be discussed. If there are any rule changes for next series, we will put them on the website, Oople and Facebook

[cunawarit]

oh :( So my 4S castle powered Mardave is not legal? :( :( :(

Anyway, my Mardave is staying the same as it was last Friday other than going lipo as those old batts left me stranded.

[Chris56]

oh :( So my 4S castle powered Mardave is not legal? :( :( :(



If those 4 cells are Nimhs then you will be fine, if they hold their charge:p:p

[reg]

I thought a line had been drawn under all this, but I have copied this straight from the club website and these were also included in the handouts that were given on 3rd Jan:

Clubman:
Chassis: Primarily Mini but “moderately paced” touring cars, F1s and Mardave Mini-Stox welcome.
Bodyshell: Any
Motor: Any but 10t (19t brushed) or slower preferred. Silver can only for F1 or other direct drive cars
Tyres: Any type of foam or rubber tyre
Electronics: Maximum of 7.2v Nimh/Nicad Batteries - Maximum of nominal 7.4v Lipo Batteries only.

So if you operate within these, you are not a cheat.
We have a meeting tonight and what was posted on this forum will be discussed. If there are any rule changes for next series, we will put them on the website, Oople and Facebook

Superstox front end,mardave rear end with home made chassis,

Does direct drive mean solid rear axle? If so I had a diff and a 13.5

Foam tires,

7.4v

Was I outside the rules?

[Chris56]

Chassis?: Fine
Direct-drive?: spur gear was on rear axle so yes
Tyres: Fine
7.4v: Fine

Outside rules: technically "yes". If you want to argue the point that it wasn't direct drive because of the diff then perhaps we need to define "direct drive" or use another appropriate term, but basically all cars with the spur on the rear axle should be silver can only if we are to follow these rules.

[cunawarit]

If those 4 cells are Nimhs then you will be fine, if they hold their charge:p:p

Lower voltage? Nah!

[cunawarit]

Direct drive has never made much sense, going from the pinion to a spur isn't technically direct drive. Direct drive implies no reduction... that isn't the case.

This is direct drive:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1379554_10153290012425167_355482142_n.jpg

Needs rewording.

Anyway, more to the point. I don't think anyone should be accused of cheating in a fun class. Even if they are doing very high speeds.

It isn't just reg that didn't run a silver can... I switched from a standard silvercan to a 23T fan can after the silvercan cooked itself. Scott ran a torque tunned motor (25T I believe), I think Rich runs some sort of brushless system, etc... Let's not fret over a non-issue. This is a fun class.

[Chris56]

Agreed - will discuss further tonight.

Mark - sorry for the confusion. Will let you know once re-worded but basically F1s, Mardaves and your "Reg-mobile" should be silver can if we are going to go with these rules.

Hope we can draw a line under all this and have some good racing this friday:thumbsup:

[cunawarit]

Anyway, does nobody think that actual direct drive system looks AWESOME? Apparently it runs virtually silently :)

[reg]

No worries chaps just replying to the sarcastic post from Charlie!

I'm watching an f103 on the bay so if it works out ok ill be running that,if not lee has got something he is sorting out for me :)

[reg]

Anyway, does nobody think that actual direct drive system looks AWESOME? Apparently it runs virtually silently :)

It looks sweet :)

[Chris56]

I'm watching an f103 on the bay so if it works out ok ill be running that,if not lee has got something he is sorting out for me :)

I think I know which one you are on about - if so looks a good one:thumbsup:

[cunawarit]

Meh... I may eventually have to get an F1. Either that or a Mardave Hot Rod... With angry eyes and teeth of course.

[Dave Dodd]

I believe this thread has run its course and will be closed. There are some good comments and arguments towards the class, to make it fair.
We will take all ideas onboard and hopefully have a clean and easy set of rules for everyone.

Cheers Dave.