MK Grand Prix 2008

[Smartalec]

Awesome race. Thank you all so much for great day racing. I even got a trophy too (ssshhh... no-one needs to know for what final!). :thumbsup:

F final wasn't it :p

[frogger]

Yep, it was a good day's racing and incredible to watch the A finalists do their thing. I enjoyed the track layout and the CAT performed very well indeed :thumbsup:

One gripe with today is if you allow 'no tyre restrictions' then be big enough to stand by your own rules especially after I checked and was told 'As it says on the flyer the tyres are open so run whatever you like. Cheers, Grant' :mad:

[Smartalec]

Second that one Carl, my car was awesome in practice on the foamy things and I was really looking forward to the qualifying but it wasn't to be :thumbdown:

[Southwell]

Great meeting, happy with my A final and being close to the pace :thumbsup:

[PaulUpton]

Yep great meeting guys, thank you!!

Only my 2nd ever off road race (first was yesterday) and managed to get 2nd in the B, well chuffed with that, shame i broke it on the warm up lap!!

Well done guys!

[Crazy L]

A big well done to the club for today, I enjoyed it. Didn't have a result I wanted but it was a result to be expected due to new car/new brushless set up/running out of talent/bad luck/silly table top before the cross over.

Overall, a good day:thumbsup:.

And another thing, I dont want to see "that" picture of me plastered all over the net:blush:, you know who you are.

Well done, roll on next year:thumbsup:

[glypo]

F final wasn't it :p

I think the F stands for Fantastic???

:blush:

I was chuffed anyway, was actually a fun and close race with another car.

Anyway, I said something on another thread, but think I should say something here.

I am responsible for the flyer. I am however not affiliated with the club really (although I try and make it to the Friday meetings, it's a 45min+ journey) and not associated with MK Racing (I am just a happy customer) but I am friendly with both hence done the flyer. So these comments are just my opinion and not any kind of official comment.

After a discussion with Marc many weeks ago I made the flyer and wrote any tyres. By this, I think we both assumed it meant any make (Schumacher, GRP, JConcepts etc...) and any tread of off-road tyre. It may well be my fault for not mentioning foams, if that is the case I want to sincerely appolgise for that and hope it didn't upset many of you.

I do however totally agree with the organisers decision to not allow foam. It was an off-road race, albeit indoors, and general off-road tyres help level the feild and make the racing fairer and more exciting.

[RogerM]

Foams on an off-road car !!!!!:confused:

Surely that is like surgically attaching fake tits on a chimp ...... you could do it but it would be oh so wrong!

Would never have considered foams myself for an off-road car so I think your asumption was fair Glypo ....

[Crazy L]

Would never have considered foams for an off-road car

Nor I, how bizarre

[c0sie]

Wernt foams all the rage back int' 80's or summat?
Not wanting to get involved in anyway (too fecking tired) but the old 'brushed & Ni-Cd' old skool'ers have told me stories of foams on offroaders from moons ago..

Jason, F = Faster than the G ;) ;)

[smk]

Race results for the entire weekend can be found here

http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/raceresults/mkgp08/index.htm

Well done to all the drivers who beat me. Oh, that'll be all of you. :cry:

[c0sie]

Did half the 4WD B final die or something? lol

[strobe]

Excellent weekends racing. Well done to the MKGP Team. Really enjoyed it.
Both days tracks were Ace. :thumbsup:
Plenty of air time.
Not many car breakages. Food was good.
I actually won something in the Raffle. :p
Curry House was a laugh. Griff made us all chuckle and Pidge's & Bloomer's aim at Griff's pint glass were spot on. :thumbsup:
Looking forward to next years event.

[strobe]

Did half the 4WD B final die or something? lol

Something happened at the start and 3 cars were out by the 3rd bend.
Something with the bleeps from the computer at the start.

[Smartalec]

Would never have considered foams myself for an off-road car so I think your asumption was fair Glypo ....
You would have considered them if you were 2 seconds a lap quicker ;)

[PaulUpton]

9 beeps went, then there was a pause then the tenth beep, most of us went on the 10th beep but they the warble went and the rest went!!

if i had known there was talk of re running the final at the end i would of said yes, but this was voted against!

Paul

[TheRacePlace]

just checked the results, well done to the winner but and i could be wrong shouldnt truman be second his 2+4 is better than yardy 3+3?
john

[MattADH]

Wernt foams all the rage back int' 80's or summat?
Not wanting to get involved in anyway (too fecking tired) but the old 'brushed & Ni-Cd' old skool'ers have told me stories of foams on offroaders from moons ago..

Jason, F = Faster than the G ;) ;)

It may have been Yatabe or another track in Japan but the racers were using foam tyres with a groove cut down the centre. I remember seeing pics of Craig Drescher and Rory Cull running them on their cars...

[frogger]

Foams on an off-road car !!!!!:confused:

Would never have considered foams myself for an off-road car so I think your asumption was fair Glypo ....

You might be surprised to find out that some people use foams to race off road on blue groove dirt ovals and sometimes even on grass tracks amongst other places. We also use foams to race our 18th scale off road cars indoors (and sometimes Schumacher rubbers). I seriously don't see what the big deal is, it's just big foam donuts mounted on Losi wheels. They look just like an off road wheel so doesn't spoil the 'look' and seeing as we were indoors on carpet and polished wood floor with an open tyre rule (and all parts of the wheel is commercially available) I think it was perfectly reasonable to use the opportunity to see if they work better than rubbers.

You might also be surprised to find out that at some clubs that allow 10th scale off road cars to run ONLY foams are allowed, 10th scale mini pins are banned because they burn the carpet.

A full set of foams like this will cost you no more than £20 to make all inclusive and will last a whole indoor season or more! From a racers perspective a cheap tyre that work well and last long - where is the problem? :confused:

Regardless, my meeting wasn't spoiled, I still had a great time and will race there again in a heartbeat. Luckily I decided to bring my Mini [ins along just in case the foams didn't work out as planned.

My point is simply that if an oversight was made on a rule and a racer double checked if it was meant to be that way and it was then confirmed, that it should be left to go ahead.

Never mind, water under the bridge and far gone to the sea. :D

[c0sie]

Was the 4WD track layout the same as the 2WD layout??

The layout was ace fun to drive, and to get a clean lap was so rewarding! And watching Pidge and Cragg drifting around the section near the track entrance (by the cold door) was bloody great lol

[Body Paint]

4wd track was the reverse of the 2wd track.

Personally I think you should stick to one "type" of tyre, and personally I don't like foams, but that is because I have driven buggys on rubber for over 25 years. IMHO this is how it should be in all classes.

'waiting for Carl to burst' 5....4....3....2....1... :lol:

[frogger]

'waiting for Carl to burst' 5....4....3....2....1... :lol:

:p it might seem that I care enough to burst but I don't :thumbsup: Craig you are just weird, very few people seem to make a rubber work as well as you do ;)

I am just experimenting to find a good, cheap, fast race tyre that works. And the foams did work at Newbury, we just needed a few more heats to dial them in.

It's about having options. Personally I don't want to be limited to one type of tyre because it benefits a particular manufacturer and is usually disguised as 'levelling the playing field' which you are not achieving if you allow multiple makes and compounds and having people buy their own while others get massive discount on them through sponsorship. If anything, the cheaper foam might just have done a better job at levelling the playing field :D

Now, if there was a single make and compound tyre rule that is supplied by the sponsors free of charge then that's another story. :)

[c0sie]

Very few people seem to make a rubber work as well as you do ;)


go0d m0rnin' muh darlin'! :D

I can think of atleast one example whrn rubber did NOT perform the task it was required to do lol :lol:

[Body Paint]

Craig you are just weird, very few people seem to make a rubber work as well as you do ;)


LMFAO, Carl, you obviously don't know Penny is pregnant :lol:

[frogger]

LMFAO, Carl, you obviously don't know Penny is pregnant :lol:

So what you on about rubbers working so well then!? :D Congrats mate :thumbsup:

[Southwell]

LMFAO, Carl, you obviously don't know Penny is pregnant :lol:

Congrats dude, will he be landing on my car in 15 years time too? :lol:

[Danosborne6661]

Congrats dude, will he be landing on my car in 15 years time too? :lol:
Tell me about it, I had Craig AND Bill both land on me as I came off the main jump:lol::cry:

[ashleyb4]

just checked the results, well done to the winner but and i could be wrong shouldnt truman be second his 2+4 is better than yardy 3+3?
john

Bradders 2 and 4 added to six
Yardy's 3 and 3 added to 6 so it went down to all three legs counting tom had a 4 and bradders a 7 so that swong it to yardy.

A

[Lee Martin]

ashley u aint got a clue have you! lol!!!

Anyway, Mcho thanks to the guys at the MKGP!! thought the event was awesome! racing was top class! tracks were the Bo**ox. thought all that went had a great time! shame more didnt turn out to play!

Evdoka on the Mic was a touch of brilliance.....ill take that thanks! haha! made the event for me!

only down side was not winning 4wd! stupid me!

[Nick Goodall]

Big thanks to Lee for lending me his spare B4 to race, i hadn't driven since the last time i raced there in Feb so it was great to have another play! Lipo is definitely the way forward too :thumbsup: - Thanks to the legend that is Rob Rasey for charging it for me every run :lol:

Also want to thank Mark for sponsoring the event and all the guys at the club for all the effort that went into the track and organisation of the meeting.

Having Tony on the Mic really made it entertaining too so thanks to him for coming down and to Lee for talking him into it!!!

It'd be interesting to see who didn't make it from those that were booked in as it's always a bit disappointing when people don't show, i think in the future it should be a pre-pay event, even if it's £5 / 50% up front would at least show the intent that you are going to race.

Thanks again to everyone though, i really enjoyed the Saturday and was itching to have a go Sunday, well done to Lee and Neil on the wins.

[Belsten]

Was the 4WD track layout the same as the 2WD layout??

The layout was ace fun to drive, and to get a clean lap was so rewarding! And watching Pidge and Cragg drifting around the section near the track entrance (by the cold door) was bloody great lol

No 4wd was different plus ran in the opposite direction.

Thanks to all at Newbury for an awesome weekends racing. Thoroughly enjoyed it and Sundays track was even better than Saturdays

Thanks to pidge & bloomers too for an entertaining evening for the curry
Darren "Caerfilthy" Bloomfield :woot:

[GRIFF55]

Its that by that little welsh town called TELFORD!!!!!:woot:. Damn that was a fun night, chocolate and beer, mmmmmmmmm.
Thanks all for a good weekend and knighty + cml for the excelent raffle! That little lad had a comlete setup didn't he:thumbsup:.
Tracks were superb and well done to the winners.

[Nick Goodall]

Is there any pics up yet?

[smk]

just checked the results, well done to the winner but and i could be wrong shouldnt truman be second his 2+4 is better than yardy 3+3?

Fortunately that one was spotted on the day, and Tony took home the 2nd place trophy. Website has now been updated.

As far as the B final went, there are lessons to be learned that we will apply next time. With race control being so far away from the drivers, we couldn't hear the beeps clearly enough, and none of us were aware of the gap between the 9th and 10th beeps. We just saw the cars all start at more or less the same time, and were unaware of the confusion of the drivers.

By the time race control were fully aware of the problem the race was already 3mins old and it was too late to stop it. Apologies to those worst affected, particularly Ian Ford and Andy Griffiths and also Tristram Neal who were all very disappointed but behaved like gentlemen.

The problem with the beeps seemed to be a software problem, as the program crashed properly at the end of the race. We will take measures next time, including closing and restarting the software before the finals, and either moving a steward nearer the rostrum or installing an extra speaker at race control.

On a more upbeat note, many thanks to all the people attending, we hope that everyone had a good time. Thanks to all the club members who took time off to build the track on Friday and dismantled it on Sunday, to Grant Fribbens for his wireless to WLRC for timing equipment, to Rob Rasey for all his work setting up the meeting, ditto to Andy Bell for the same and for being the first to arrive and last to leave on all 3 days, and to Tony 'The Voice' Evdoka for his superb commentary and experience. Hope we don't lose him to the BBCs new F1 coverage!

[AmiSMB]

Yep, it was a good day's racing and incredible to watch the A finalists do their thing. I enjoyed the track layout and the CAT performed very well indeed :thumbsup:

One gripe with today is if you allow 'no tyre restrictions' then be big enough to stand by your own rules especially after I checked and was told 'As it says on the flyer the tyres are open so run whatever you like. Cheers, Grant' :mad:

I was helping to organise the meeting but it is the Newbury club that decided that foams were not allowed. I was told it was open tyre and I just past that onto you as it was on the flyer.

Thanks for cheering me up and maybe next time I will not bother taking time off and helping out so you can have no wifi, no drivernet and no timing how is that mush!

Cheers

Grant

[Teddy truman]

Thanks to all the guys at newbury club.. did really good job:thumbsup::thumbsup:


anyne got any piccys?

[Crazy L]

anyne got any piccys?

Glypo I'm sure has quite a few as I saw him walking round with "Hubble" hanging round his neck, also, someone has a pic of me catching a few Zs.:)

[Nick Goodall]

I don't get the big problem with this Foam scenario - I saw 3 different guys out on them in Practise (Alec, DC and another Cat SX) and to be honest there's no chance you guys would have been quicker on Foams - The cars looked pretty shocking on them and weren't producing any grip on the carpet.

I don't know if you were using additive or they just weren't warm enough but i don't believe for a second you would have been quicker on those then Minipins

[frogger]

I was helping to organise the meeting but it is the Newbury club that decided that foams were not allowed. I was told it was open tyre and I just past that onto you as it was on the flyer.

Thanks for cheering me up and maybe next time I will not bother taking time off and helping out so you can have no wifi, no drivernet and no timing how is that mush!

Cheers

Grant

My comments are not in anyway directed to you Grant, if anything you are the good guy who confirmed that it was indeed open so I am great full for your message. It's the decision on the day that could have been taken better but that's how we learn. No hard feelings. :)

Come on Glypo, we want to see the pics! :thumbsup:

[AmiSMB]

It is alright as I am consoling myself by eating my trophy for 2nd in the C 4wd final :lol:!

[ginger fixit]

hi guys

i want to clarify this foam tyre rule discution

the club decided to have an open tyre rule at the time of organising the meeting i was not aware we could still get hold of foams (now i know you can) also i belive the wheels need heavy modification to be able to use them ie removing the rims where rubber tyres would normally sit (im sure some one will clarify that)

it was just concidered by all the organisers that rubber was the norm not foam with heinsight we should have made it more clear but like i say i cant imagine why anybody would want to use foam tyres being that they dont work without additive. which bring me on to another reason why we decided you guys coulnt run them you could have used additive therefore posibly damaging the floor and cost the club a load of wedge.

i hope thats clear and i do appologise if you were all a bit miffed by our decision (we will be clearer next year)

thanks Andy :thumbsup:

[c0sie]

(we will be clearer next year)

09 baby! :thumbsup:

[frogger]

Thanks for clarifying Andy.

Yes, you are correct, the rims have to be smoothed to allow the glueing of the foam to the rim.

As for additive, a lot of clubs do not allow additive any more and so we very commonly run foams without additive. There are other way's to tune the foam such as putting small grooves in them (as seen on the pair that DC was using).

Personally I think they are less destructive than rubber and there is a good argument against people truing the foam down so that there is only a slither showing on the rim because I think it really spoils the look of the cars.

That said, it doesn't matter now. We'll know next time. :)

[ginger fixit]

hi guys

all sorted in the end watch this space we may try a few week end early next year :thumbsup:

[RogerM]

Andy,

I'm still gutted I didn't get to run 4wd so if your having an event early next year then count me in!!!!

[Belsten]

I would deffo come again as long as it doesnt clash with the petit race :thumbsup:

[GRIFF55]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Nick Goodall]

Count me in too as long as Lee doesn't mind me borrowing the car again :thumbsup:

[PaulUpton]

count me in too!!

[Smartalec]

I don't get the big problem with this Foam scenario - I saw 3 different guys out on them in Practise (Alec, DC and another Cat SX) and to be honest there's no chance you guys would have been quicker on Foams - The cars looked pretty shocking on them and weren't producing any grip on the carpet.

I don't know if you were using additive or they just weren't warm enough but i don't believe for a second you would have been quicker on those then Minipins
Nick, you must have saw my car in round one, it wasn't the foams that were shocking on my car it was my driving :( In the first round of qualifying I was awful but in the two practice runs with the car I drove error free. The first practice was on foams and the car was awesome on the slippy stuff and ok on the small amount of carpet that mattered. The second practice was on pins and the car was slightly better on the rug but absolutely cack on the slippy stuff and so I opted for the foams as they were easily quicker (you still had to drive good). In the end it doesn't matter as I still had a laugh and my quickest run of the day was 2 seconds shy of a 12 lapper ........ on yellow minispikes :confused:

[Southwell]

The slippy stuff was the best section, drifting is ace!

[David Church]

First of all a very big THANKS for all your effort in running this meeting to all involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsu p::thumbsup:

I very much enjoyed my days racing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as the foams go, I think you should have allowed them. Any tyre means any tyre. Now I only borrowed some, but my car was much better with them, new car and all. BUT.... I respect your decision and happily ran rubber tyres for the rest of the day.
So please don't anyone get upset by peoples opinions, a great days racing was had!!!!!! And I will def go again, even though it was a 250+ mile round trip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks again:thumbsup:

[PaulUpton]

First of all a very big THANKS for all your effort in running this meeting to all involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsu p::thumbsup:

I very much enjoyed my days racing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as the foams go, I think you should have allowed them. Any tyre means any tyre. Now I only borrowed some, but my car was much better with them, new car and all. BUT.... I respect your decision and happily ran rubber tyres for the rest of the day.
So please don't anyone get upset by peoples opinions, a great days racing was had!!!!!! And I will def go again, even though it was a 250+ mile round trip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks again:thumbsup:

it was worth that for me to give your car some abuse lol :thumbsup:

[David Church]

Happy to help:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[c0sie]

Count me in for 09 for sure.

We've probably got enough for atleast one heat now :D

[mobile chicane]

great weekend of racing I even made the d final in 4wd :)

big thanks to andy and kev and richard and all the others who helped put on a megga event.

I only broke 1 wishbone in 3 days racing :woot:

next buggy nite is friday the 28th I believe.

[showtime]

great weekends racing again :thumbsup:
thanks to the guys from the club for putting it on & thanks for everybody who turned up to enjoy some good racing on 2 very enjoyable tracks :thumbsup:

some people drove a lot of miles to attend this & from what i gather they are glad they did. you can tell the A final guys liked it as after the race finished they just kept going round until their packs died :thumbsup:
the big jump right in front of the rostrum obviously hit the spot as well because pretty much everyone was smiling when they came down the steps. its not often your car comes past you at head height only a couple of feet away :woot:

it was a shame the track got slower during 2wd as the grip went but FTD actually made qualifying very exciting on the Sunday as the track was getting faster every round & Tony Evdoka was getting more & more hyped with every run of the fast heats :woot:

there is an unconfirmed rumour that there will be some more full days racing there on Sundays over the winter rather than just the friday club nights! i'm sure Andy will confirm as soon as this is finalised :thumbsup:

book me in mate ;)

[glypo]

A few teasers Glypo.... please:thumbsup:

Come on Glypo, we want to see the pics! :thumbsup:

Okay here are just a few. I thought I will upload them as it may be a little while until my report is done.

Nobody can understand just how hard it is to take photos in there. I have shot inside indoor venues before, and they are hard. DXR for the Neo Invitational 2006, Pro-Line 2007 and Neo08. I have also done Laon in France for the 1/8th indoor Euros and plenty of others... but Newbury is without a doubt the hardest for photos!

I wouldn't have gone to so much effort for good photos if it wasn't for the oOple/JConcepts competition, once my report is done I am going to enter it into that. :) I was shooting around 1/80th at f/4.0 with ISO1600 to get these. Very tricky!

Photos follow (not many 2wd as I didn't race the 2wd day), enjoy:

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_5452.jpg

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_5471.jpg

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_6024.jpg

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_6263.jpg

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_6350.jpg

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_6378.jpg

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_6387.jpg

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_6544.jpg

[wezzer]

well done jase :D
i know how hard it is too get shots in there and you did good:thumbsup:
wished i come now lol

[showtime]

you Jonah!
i invited you a couple of weeks ago :rolleyes:

[wezzer]

i know dude , i know lol
we had a similar meeting at leominster on a smaller scale so had to support them :D

[showtime]

furry muff. you gotta look after your local clubs :thumbsup:

[wezzer]

i will be down there again though big lad, i feckin love you guys and the racing is ace :D

[showtime]

both the track layouts this weekend were REALLY good :thumbsup:


i've also had an idea for the big jump that should add to the experience :woot:

[ginger fixit]

hi guys re some more week end meetings

im in favour but i cant run them i race flat stuff on carpet all winter and that takes priority we only did this date cos im not doing the jarrow national

unfortunatly my other key holder/race director for off road has had to resign from the commitee due to work load.

so what im saying is dont hold your breath at this stage if we can get a new race director and possibly richard to have the keys and steve agrees(the land lord) then possibly

i will let you all know

[AmiSMB]

both the track layouts this weekend were REALLY good :thumbsup:


i've also had an idea for the big jump that should add to the experience :woot:

Can I get stuck in the net again and hang for a while? :woot:

[MK Racing]

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_6544.jpg

My Bmax was awsome in the AIR!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[GRIFF55]

It must be the stunning rear wing you had on her mate!! Looked good on the floor too:)

[The Playboy]

It must be the stunning rear wing you had on her mate!! Looked good on the floor too:)

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/IMG_6544.jpg

My Bmax was awsome in the AIR!!!!!! :thumbsup:
Great Picture nearly as good as my green pussy doing some drifting!!!! nice pics glypo

[AmiSMB]

Here are some videos of legs 2 and 3 of the A final.

MK GP 2008 A Final Leg 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF9baSiZclA)

MK GP 2008 A Final Leg 3 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij0N3QjMptw)

Enjoy

[Lee Martin]

them videos upset me!

[rob8246]

If it's any consolation Pidge, Craggy did say that the GP win meant more to him than the Euro's!! :lol:

[AmiSMB]

If it's any consolation Pidge, Craggy did say that the GP win meant more to him than the Euro's!! :lol:

PMSL :lol:

[Zipper]

Short video compilation recorded at the MKGP 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IygQHFuZ6fo&fmt=18

:thumbsup:

[rob8246]

Great video there dude :thumbsup:

I hope to see you all back at Newbury soon.

[Nick Goodall]

Has anyone uploaded any pics from the event yet? I saw a lot of people walking about taking pics but haven't seen any other then the couple Glypo uploaded?

[showtime]

yeah come on guys
few pics wouldn't kill ya :)

[glypo]

I will show mine in a minute.

Need to post the link to race report too actually.

[Nick Goodall]

I will show mine in a minute.

Need to post the link to race report too actually.

Gwan, gwan, gwan gwan........ we need pics :D

[scottk]

pics anyone ?

[glypo]

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/gpheader.jpg (http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/)


Well looks like I am the only one who bothered with a stills camera then? To be honest if it wasn't for the oOple comp I wouldn't have bothered either, really quite difficult in there.

Been meaning to post the link, kept forgetting. This is also my JConcepts competition entry, poor effort I know but time is limited for me:

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2008/mkgp/

Some people say a picture is worth a thousand words, so here is my 39,226 word report. :)