WRCC Micro National....

[Chris Doughty]

Any 10th (or 8th) off-roaders fancy a go at something different?

I promice the track to be 'american' jump inspired and will be a lot of fun to drive and race on.

and if you have to stay over for the event, the club are holding their normal club nights on the Saturday night so you can do the 'warm-up' event the night before!! how ace is that??? :thumbsup:

[frogger]

This will be one of the best micro off road events of the year and definitely worth a visit. The track layout has been finalised, jumps are being built as we speak but most importantly all the materials for the feature jump, a 2 lane crossover 4 meter long jump :woot: was delivered tonight! It's going to be awesome! :thumbsup:

[mattbrown]

Where abouts in the country are you?

What are the classes?

May be worth dragging the blaze out as a break from tc and 10 off road.

Matt

[Chris Doughty]

High Wycombe, just off J4 of the M40.

[frogger]

http://www.wycomberacing.co.uk/contactus.htm

[Smartalec]

I'm not doing well on the jumps on Monday evenings but I feel i'm better than I was a few weeks ago, so, i'll keep practicing LOL

The first night I went I had Chris D running around marshalling me like a banshee on crack (thanks for that mate). The flat stuff is no problem at all and the car is dialled ..... just got to get the mind right to land the jumps every time (i've never been good at jumps).

Really looking forward to the National track, i'm sure if Chris has anything to do with it there will be some serious airtime and a good rhythm section of some sort.

........ bring the spares Carl LOL
:cry:

[frogger]

If there is one thing micro off road racing will make you good at its jumps! Alec, stick a big wing on the back of it and as you are getting more consistent cut the wing smaller and smaller. Also, make sure you use full size foams or rubber for extra wheel torque :woot:

On top of the huge mahoosive feature jump, there are a few new things being constructed for this national specially so yep, there will be airtime and you'll get vertical too. Get ready for it :thumbsup:

[Chris Doughty]

entries are filling up, get yours in to avoid disapointment!

[Smartalec]

Chris, only one thing ...... can you please make sure there's somewhere to overtake !!!!
I love the jumps and stuff but it would be great if there was somewhere that wasn't an obstacle for some clean overtaking moves. There's nothing worse than being stuck behind someone in qualifying (particularly) and not being able to get through without 'running the gauntlet' lap after lap. The referees at Leighton done their best but it was really manic at times and i'm sure that the Leighton track was less 'busy' than the Wycombe track is ever going to be.
Personally at Wycombe, because of the lack of space, I think that a more open track with a good variety of surfaces (slippy, bumpy etc) and a couple of 'serious air' jumps would be more appropriate and a lot easier to marshall. The danger is that if there is too much going on in one lap then the overall meeting would be a disaster instead of a success. A demanding obstacle course is fine if qualifying is done 'rally style', i.e on your own, but when attempted by ten people all wanting the same thing (to post the fastest time), it can get a bit out of control and a good run is easily spoiled by someone having a bad one dropping onto you from a flyover.
As a non-member of the club I obviously don't get a say but I thought i'd just voice my opinion, for what it's worth.
...... I can't wait for Wycombe national, I hope it's the success it deserves
Alec

[jim76]

I'm in! And as I will no doubt be in the bottom heat as I have no previous seeding, I wholeheartedly agree with Alec! lol

[frogger]

Alec, get better at the jumps and overtake in the air! :woot:

[frogger]

4WD now have 49 entries! :thumbsup:

[Smartalec]

Even the 'air' is full of obstacles at Wycombe LOL:p

[frogger]

Even the 'air' is full of FEATURES at Wycombe LOL:p

Sounds to me like you might be better suited to touring cars :D

The micro tracks are all different and as you have 7 rounds of nationals to compete in with 5 to count you can afford not to do all that well at 2 of them. No need to get too worried about individual tracks.

Wycombe is one of the tighter tracks and even if there are a lot of features spread over the track (which I am not saying is the case... but it might be :woot:) everyone on the day will be racing on the SAME track so it's no less fair. The challenge is for you to get your race strategy worked out so you get the cleanest runs in qualies.

Doughty has already posted up great advice, that the way to do well at Wycombe will be to drive conservatively and consistently. Patience Daniel sun! Or go balls out and just have some fun!

[Chrislong]

YEH, BALLS OUT!
(What was the question?)

[Chris Doughty]

and there will be some flat bits for some side-by-side racing too, I think our track idea is unique and yet still allows for racing to be done, some parts of the track might require technique, some parts might require some 'pushing'

I think it will end up with a good variety for the track and as part of the national series

[frogger]

Quick update on the double lane cross over jump.

For those that don't know, we are running the first ever double lane cross over jump on a micro national track. That's a nice and easy 13 foot jump. But for the slower cars or those afraid to get their cars airborn (Alec :p :D) there is a bridge that can be driven over. We didn't want there to be a blind drive through under the bridge so we bought a truck load of clear polycarbonate to build the blingest bridge you have ever seen but it didn't quite work out so well because the reflection in the room made it like a mirror so you couldn't see through it!

Plan B was implemented last night. Our bridge top surface is now made out of top grade smooth welded galvanised wire mesh with 1/2inch square holes so it provides excellent visibility at all angles. The wire mesh is smooth so there is nothing for the cars to snag on and foam tyres won't be damaged. Additionally, the wire mesh actually turned out to be quite grippy so doesn't do weird things with the cars driving over them either. Bring on Wycombe! :thumbsup:

[Chrislong]

Grate!
(Some cheese?)
:blush: I'll get mi coat.

[Chris Doughty]

Long and Harris, drop me an email or a PM, I will reserve some Team SMD tables for us

[Smartalec]

I've no problem getting the car airborn, it's the bits in between that are the problem lol.
Just when I thought there couldn't possibly be any other features added, out of the mist comes ..... A HAMSTER CAGE !!!!!:rolleyes:
I'm looking forward to the National whatever the track is like, i'm just hoping that there will be at least one bit of big air (i'm just starting to get the hang of landing) LOL

[frogger]

It's a rat cage! These little buggies are called 'Ratz on Acid' don't you know!? :thumbsup:

[Chris Doughty]

of the people that are booked in to race the national...

how many of you are planning to race on the Saturday night? it would be good if we got a rough idea of numbers...

[Smartalec]

Chris, how many of the FEATURES will be in place Saturday? Obviously I know that it will be completely different from the National track but i'm sure that some of them will take time to 'construct' so they will be there on Saturday right?

[jim76]

is the sat night going to be the national track? or just same features in different layout?
sorry, think that was mentioned elsewhere but couldn't remember

edit - think Alec just answered that!

[Smartalec]

I'm not 100 per cent sure but i'm pretty sure that some people practiced on the Leighton track on the Saturday when it was put out ..... perhaps Chris Hampson could put me right on that? ..... if that was the case then is there any reason at all that the whole National track could not be used for Saturday?. As Chris will verify, at one tenth off-road nationals there is no practice on the actual track 7 days prior to the event but I have no idea if that's the case with the micro's !!!!

[frogger]

The track will be completely different to the national track and although some of the jumps etc. will be used nothing will in any way remotely resemble the national track. Don't forget on Sat nights we also have 4 cell and micro tourers racing so it will probably be a flat-ish track with just a few bumps here and there so that we can remove and replace it quickly and easily after the heats.

We have our own keys to the facility so we have 24hr access. We can be there early Sun morning to build stuff.

[Smartalec]

WOW, a flat Wycombe track ....... it will look like they've had a burglary LOL :p

[Smartalec]

What time do the doors open on Sunday morning Carl?

[frogger]

What time do the doors open on Sunday morning Carl?

8am I presume

[Smartalec]

Cheers matey :D
Did you have any luck with the other tyres?

[frogger]

Did you have any luck with the other tyres?

Which ones you talking about? My super secret prototype CAT SX tyres?

[Smartalec]

LOL, nope, the 35 shore serpent ones for the Shark ...... I didn't mention the super secret CAT ones :)

[frogger]

Yes I am fully resupplied :thumbsup:

[Smartalec]

Goody, put me down for some on Monday night please :D

[Chrislong]

I'm not 100 per cent sure but i'm pretty sure that some people practiced on the Leighton track on the Saturday when it was put out .....

I was there Saturday night til late and no car was allowed on the track - sorry Alec.

Ill be at Wycombe for Saturday night.

[Chris Doughty]

I would like to point out again, just to be clear...

the Sat night track will not be the national layout, it will obviously use the same carpet, possibly a jump from the national track, but probably most of the non-national jumps

its just an opertunity to get a 'feel' for the venue and the levels of grip

[frogger]

And an opportunity for more racing! :thumbsup:

[Smartalec]

I was there Saturday night til late and no car was allowed on the track - sorry Alec.

Ill be at Wycombe for Saturday night.

As I said, I wasn't 100 per cent sure, so glad that's been cleared up by Chris :)

[frogger]

55+3 entries = 58!!! :thumbsup:

[Chris Doughty]

I will be running Live updates from the Micro nat warm-up (sat night club meeting) and also the Micro Nat this Sunday at WRCC

http://www.doughtyuk.net/index.php?topic=597

keep an eye on the thread for pictures and updates from the event

[Smartalec]

Anyone going to Wycombe tonight (Saturday)? I can't make it as I promised to do some husband/father stuff. ..... if you'd like to save me a small amount of pitting space for the National tomorrow ........ i'll buy you a burger :D

[Smartalec]

Two?

[Smartalec]

Three? (greedy git) :)

[Smartalec]

Four and a diet coke? (fatty) :D

[Smartalec]

Stuff you then,............ i'll pit out of my car :mad:

[jim76]

lol! if i was going tonight i'd reserve you one, but it would cost you at least 5 burgers & a portion of chips!

oh, and letting me beat you too!

[frogger]

No need to worry boys. I just got back and there were a lot less people there than expected tonight so as long as you arrive by 8am tomorrow you'll have plenty spaces to choose from. Just make sure you rush the doors 'Easyjet' stylee tomorrow morning when they open :thumbsup:

[jim76]

Alec, i'll get there early and save you a spot if those burgers are still on - lol!!!

really looking forward to tomorrow!

[Smartalec]

Thanks to everyone at Wycombe who did their part in making the National a success today. Although my day was cacked up by a combination of bad marshalling and a run of bad luck I still enjoyed the day ...... and I won four pairs of tyres/wheels on the raffle LOL. Twelfth was all I could manage in the somewhat manic qualifying then some of the most blatant bad driving from some in the finals was enough to kill the day completely. Best part of the day for me was driving two inches behind 'old school' Jon Dell for about 3 laps in final number 1 and then him doing the same to me for another couple of laps before the inevitable happened and we came across Mr Backmarker, who was incapable of driving behind or in front of anyone and he took us both out !!!! It's nice to know that in all that carnage there are still people who can drive without hitting each other. It seems that at the Micro Nationals a red mist comes down at finals time and it becomes a free for all with all driving standards going right out of the window (including the A final) ...... that's a shame because it's a really enjoyable class. As I said, the marshalling was, on the whole, ok but there was one guy who stood out beyond all others and should definitely take a bow as he was most certainly the worst marshall i'd ever seen (you know who you are). It would actually have been better if he wasn't there as he took more cars out with his feet than he corrected with his hands :thumbdown:
It's difficult at the best of times to marshall well all of the time, and we all get it wrong, but i'm sure it's possible to marshall well SOME of the time if you put a bit of effort in !!!. ....... so the circus rolls on to Macclesfield (where is that?)..... anyone have any set up advice? :D Thanks again to Wycombe for a well run event.

[c0sie]

Sounds like I missed a laugh then!
Who was 'the' marshall? PM me, the suspense will kill me otherwise!

Yes, it has been noted in previous Nationals about the driving standards at times.
A combination of a class that attracts 'reletively' new drivers and some good old fashioned red mist.

Ive spoke to many many people about this and the general concensus is to 1/ Lead by example, 2/ Keep telling em off at drivers breifing lol

[Chris Doughty]

the tight WRCC track was always going to be a very tight and claustrophobic affair.

I went waaay faster when I went for the safer options doing the jumps in round3 and kept more of a heads up on traffic.

I actually saw same awesome marshalling today, because of the 2 lane bridged cross-over it was going to be hard to marshall under that, but I saw a some very inspired uses of the provided reach poles to get racers back on their way, good effort and thanks for those that did a fine job marshalling! :thumbsup:

[Smartalec]

Not sure of his name, but i'll find out because I know the heat he was in and his marshalling point and i'll pm you ........... I was drinking red bull all day to try and keep focussed ...... I think he's found an alternative that has the opposite effect :lol:
It's maybe a little unfair of me to judge others as i'm sure i'm no angel sometimes, but I like to think that if I do wrong then I should be the one to suffer and not just blatantly cut the track and rejoin in my original position (or better in some cases). With tracks that are in a confined space and with lanes that run parallel to each other with features there is obviously going to be some 'confusion', but some drivers seem to have total amnesia :lol:

[c0sie]

If anyone wants to see pics of the amazing Wycombe track:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30694702@N08/

[jim76]

I actually saw same awesome marshalling today,:thumbsup:

i take it that refers to my McLaren-worthy pitstop to repair your car and keep you in second place in the final?!! lol

All in all it was a thoroughly enjoyable day. Acheived my goal of making the B final, which i was delighted with given the limited track time i've had with 18th.
The 10 cars in the final was a little manic on the small track and a few overzealous overtaking manoeuvres didn't help. Plus the burger van dissapeared just as we got to the lunch break!! What was that all about?!! lol

I agree with Chris that marshalling on the whole was pretty good as it is probably the hardest class i've come across to marshall. Small fast bullets flying past your head while trying to retrieve cars! But i also agree with Alec, that guy deserved an award!!

i'd highly recommend micro's to anyone who hasn't tried them, they have come a hell of a long way since the early mini-t days.

[jim76]

If anyone wants to see pics of the amazing Wycombe track:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30694702@N08/

I never saw you snap my car Chris!! Jimmy never gets my cars! Top man! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[c0sie]

I never saw you snap my car Chris!! Jimmy never gets my cars! Top man! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I presume you are "Hara" then? lol

[frogger]

Thanks very much to everyone who attended and who made it a great day for us at Wycombe. We all hope you enjoyed the track and the day's racing.
It certainly was a site to behold to see nearly 70 micro's sitting on the bridge waiting for the concourse winner to be selected.

Congrats to Doughty, Mark and Chris on taking the honours. It couldn't have been closer with Doughty and Mark on 4 points each in a tie!

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_1.jpg

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_2.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_3.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_4.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_5.JPG

[blitzboy]

looking good guys must say the live feed today was excellent well done on the updates and well done you guys must say im itching to do a national so fingers crossed whens the next one on please and whens tamworth on too :thumbsup:

[blitzboy]

Thanks very much to everyone who attended and who made it a great day for us at Wycombe. We all hope you enjoyed the track and the day's racing.
It certainly was a site to behold to see nearly 70 micro's sitting on the bridge waiting for the concourse winner to be selected.

Congrats to Doughty, Mark and Chris on taking the honours. It couldn't have been closer with Doughty and Mark on 4 points each in a tie!

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_1.jpg

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_2.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_3.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_4.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wycombe_rd3_5.JPG
who won the concourse :drool:

[frogger]

Not sure of the guy's name but the shell was definitely a winning design.

Next micro national is:
Date: 2008-12-07
Track: 4:Macclesfield
Contact: Chris Clark
Tel: 07872 631694
Postcode: SK11 7JL
Email: [email protected]
Notes: The Arsenal, Heapy Street, Macclesfield, Cheshire, SK11 7JL

[c0sie]

Dec: Macclesfield
Jan: Tamworth
Feb: Bury St Edmunds
Mar: Hereford

1st Sunday of every month :)

[blitzboy]

cheers frogger you da man as ALWAYS

[Chrislong]

Not sure of the guy's name but the shell was definitely a winning design.


Its was Gavin Stephenson I think, the yellow shell in the right of the front row.

I struggled at WRCC, the track was spoilt by those bloody crap blue jumps in the far right corner. Itw as otherwise very good and made great use of a small track area.

Marshalling had a lot to be desired, but I did spare the critism as to be fair the marshalls had a lot to think about with cars flying everywhere. But in the A final, whoever was on point 4 had a lot to do (being after the blue crappy jump) + lacked effort, and was the only time I got angry at the marshalling. So I did ask Gary (the lad who came with Craig Harris) to volunteer to help there for leg 2, and he did, as that did make a massive difference, thanks mate.

Id like to go back again, id like for those blue jumps to be burnt first. :lol:

Chris

[Chris Doughty]

James - your quick fix on my car was dialled thanks :thumbsup:

Long - were you trying to tripple? I gave up going big in round3 and went consistantly faster by doing so. it was only after driving a slower car and driving safe I actually realised that my own advise posted on UK-MicroRC website is actually the best way to race :rolleyes:
but I do agree, the blue doubles are a bit awkward

[Chrislong]

James - your quick fix on my car was dialled thanks :thumbsup:

Long - were you trying to tripple? I gave up going big in round3 and went consistantly faster by doing so. it was only after driving a slower car and driving safe I actually realised that my own advise posted on UK-MicroRC website is actually the best way to race :rolleyes:
but I do agree, the blue doubles are a bit awkward

Hi mate,
Well I started round 1 of Qualifying trying to drive them, but this was difficult as I was still crashing more than not, so I thought id blown the round and did the last 1/2 jumping it - which I was doing lap after lap.

Then round 2 and 3 I carried on trying to jump it, and couldn't do it consistently. Turned out my fastest time was round 1.

Not only are they insanely difficult, but the painted stripes make it hard to judge the contours. Then also when I went wide on the corner before, it was a lottery if the marshall was standing on the track there or not. :thumbdown: I did revert to driving them a few times, and I don't recall doing that cleanly very much.

The rest of the track was awesome, loved it. :blush: sorry for the critism of the blue jumps, but they do need critisising. I still enjoyed the event hugely like I always do when I race 18th.

[Chris Doughty]

Long - those blue jumps have been around since the Mini-T was first released, maybe its time for a re-fresh :D

I didn't really get to see you run all day, I was marshalling at the other end of the track to where all the jumps were and I was racing you in the finals

[Chrislong]

I guess the Mini-T would just drive them, but the current generation of 18th (i.e. the LRP Shark) are in a different league to be honest - hence we're trying to ride them so fast. :lol:

So, when is the dirt being trucked in to that venue? Indoor dirt track? :thumbsup::lol:

[Smartalec]

Chris, are you going to Wycombe tonight?...... if so would it be possible to leave the track the same so anyone that hasn't raced at a national can try the same track? ..... would be good experience :thumbsup:

[Chris Doughty]

Chris, I am working on an indoor micro dirt track, but there is some resistance from the flat track guys :P

I will be there tonight, I have just left my stuff on the table from the weekend :thumbsup:

[Smartalec]

Not only are they insanely difficult, but the painted stripes make it hard to judge the contours. Then also when I went wide on the corner before, it was a lottery if the marshall was standing on the track there or not. :thumbdown: I did revert to driving them a few times, and I don't recall doing that cleanly very much.

Chris, I was at marshall point 4 all day for your heat and I stood right in the corner of the track looking straight at those blue humps so as to catch them and right the cars as they landed. The marshall who was there in the final stood back behind the recess and was looking straight at the crossover, he couldn't see the cars on the bumps. Also, there was a guy there with a video camera in his way for some reason :thumbdown:

[frogger]

There is nothing wrong with the blue jumps at all and a lot of people love them! :confused:

The first camel hump jump is one of the best high speed and distance jumps that you'll ever do and also makes for a very nice corner feature which is very easy to drive. The blue doubles serve a great purpose in some places on the track as well. What made them difficult yesterday was where they were on the track and the fact that they made a potential triple combination.

Also, if you stood certain places on the rostrum it was difficult to get a good line of site and the fact that when you did triple them and landed you were behind the bridge with limited visibility.

There certainly was a very specific technique to get them right and if you didn't you'd pay the price. Mr Long, you need to get down to Wycombe with us a bit more often so you can try them on different spots on the track before consigning them to BBQ fuel :) Although the idea of a nice blue fillet steak has got me all... :drool:

[Chris Doughty]

it might be a few miles for Schlong to travel for weekly racing he Chris? :woot:

[frogger]

Don't tell a South African anything about a little distance :bored: It's all about dedication! :thumbsup:

[Chrislong]

Don't tell a South African anything about a little distance :bored: It's all about dedication! :thumbsup:

:lol: Now thats commitment. Private Jet?

Hey if I lived closer I certainly would be there as regular as the doors opened. Its a great venue that the majority of clubs would envy.

I like my steak rare, so would it end up purple? :thumbsup:

Hey Alec, your quite right, your marshalling was great for our heats despite how busy you were there. Putting a cameraman there wasn't great idea for the final, but to be honest id have rather not crashed on them like many people were. It may have been a combination of little run up & gap between jumps which made them tough, granted.

[Lee]

Ok i fancy a blast with these, can i get everything from LRP :confused: and be competitive?

[c0sie]

Yes you can Lee. Harris and Doughty's cars are certianly no special editions. They are the same cars that you can buy over the counter :)

[Lee]

Cheers,

I want to keep it simple, brushless/lipo, what do i need?

[jim76]

basic set up
LRP Shark FT - box standard
Novak Mongoose brushless system (or mongoose motor + 10th speedo such as LRP Sphere)
servo (big or small, both fit) hitec HS82MG is popular, about £15
couple of micro lipo packs. (trakpower 1600, or LRP 1800) You can easy get 2 races from a 1600 pack, so two packs and you're day is done! no charging at a club night! lol

And your away. They are ace!

[Lee]

Will the sphere tc spec fit? :confused:

and these mongoose motors, do they come in different winds?

[c0sie]

Gotta say Jim nailed it near enough...

LRP Shark ST
Novak Mongoose micro sensored brushless (13.5 or 10.5 motor not the 8.5 for racing)
TrakPower HG-D261HB servo (0.6secs@6V and cheap!)
TrakPower 1600mAh LiPo's
Gecko electric foams

Pick up your trophy on the way out :)

[c0sie]

Lee,

Doughty runs the Sphere for he is a tart lol

And yes, the Mongoose comes in 13.5, 10.5 and 8.5 flavours. 13.5 is my pick of the pops for a 'normal' sized micro track. 10.5 for anything bigger. 8.5 if your mad.

[Lee]

I am also in the blue stable though, i dislike orange smoke :woot:

Do LRP do equivelant motors :confused:

[jim76]

not yet, only a sensorless version

the basic sphere will fit in, not the one with big heatsink and fan.

[Chris Doughty]

here is the dialled setup...

LRP Shark 18 'Monster' Factory Team - then take the rear roll bar off
Buggy Body
LRP VTEC 35 shore foam tires ('front' 26mm wide ones)
LRP VTEC 1800 LiPo
LRP 'servo hold down' plate
10th scale servo, I use a 'low profile' one.
XRAY M18 servo saver
Deans Connectors

I actually use a novak 8.5, and she is silly quick :thumbsup: but 10.5 is probably your best bet.
an LRP blue heatsink to side the orange logo on the motor :P

the Sphere TC will fit, but without the fan, but cutting the fan off will void warrenty. you have to mount it fairly square on the top place to get the heatsink under the main bulk of the cockpit

[Lee]

CD, are you doing the remaining rounds?

[Chris Doughty]

unsure to be honest, if it was just down to the fact that if I 'wanted' to do them or not, it would be 100% fully in. but there are other external factors involved...

I think you would love it Lee, its light hearted racing with full competition on the track, and the odd occasion to knob around a pull a wall-tap or backflip or 2 :thumbsup:

if you have any questions getting your gear together for it Lee let me know, I will point you in the right general direction

[Lee]

Cheers Chris,

so far i have seen gecko, Lrp and also long chris looked like he was on carpet dragons.

What is the best tyre or does it vary depending on the venue

[frogger]

Most people use 10th touring car foams of the 35 shore variety (Gecko, LRP, GRP, Enetti, etc.) and if there are many slippery sections then Schumacher Rally Blocks in yellow on touring car rims. :thumbsup:

[c0sie]

Doughty, did you ever try those (what looked like) PIT Intermediates?

[Chris Doughty]

I have tried the LRP VTEC rubber tires and they don't really work on carpet tracks. good fun drifting around the place though :D
the 'wet' tires were the LRP Dunlop tires for wet TC tracks, still not great.

LRP VTEC foams are pretty dialled, but as has been said before, the Schumacher Rally Block in Yellow seems to be the alternative for a most 10th scale indoor off-road type track (with lots of slippy floor)

[frogger]

Best servo you can buy and it's available from Trakpower: Ino-Lab HG-D261HB

It has carbonite gears and has withstood significant abuse yesterday at Wycombe combined with my XRay M18 micro servo saver.

All I can say is this thing is rediculously quick and in my opinion probably the best servo you can run in one of these cars.

Digital coreless 0.06s speed has to been seen to be believed!

Best of all these puppies only sell for £35-£39 and can be bought from your LHS. They also do replacement gear sets and covers if needed.

http://www.ino-lab.co.kr/index.php?salegdn...no=327&otype=6&

-SPEC-
• Power : 4.8V ~ 6.0V
• Speed : 0.07s/60°, 0.06s/60°
• Torque
4.8V--Dynamic torque: 2.4kg.cm(33.32oz.in)
6.0V--Dynamic torque: 3.6kg.cm(49.99oz.in)
• Size : 30.0X13.0X33.30(1.18X0.51X1.31in)
• Weight : 20.65g (0.72oz)

[Chrislong]

Lee, will bring the Shark with me to York on Sunday - if you bring pen and paper then we'll soon have a list of what you need.

As for servo, Trakpower will soon be doing one called "Inolab" which is truly awesome. I have one but its not in the car yet, I saw one in use yesterday and fast is not the word, its fcuking nuts - and its small.

I am finding with a big servo, that it is not close enough to the centre of the car and the amount the servo needs to move to the left is less than it moves to the right - so it is unbalanced. A smaller servo will be far better. Will show you what I mean at York. CD, you found the same? Its the Ko 2413 I use.

Chris

[Chris Doughty]

Yes, that servo that Carl and Chris are talking about does seem like the bomb!

I am looking into it.

[frogger]

My Ino-Lab servo sit's spot on where it should be and you don't need to trim anything off the servo to make it fit. The servo throw is spot on in the middle and my servo balance is set to 91% each side to get full travel :thumbsup:

Trakpower also do a full set of spares for it (gears, cases, etc.)

[c0sie]

Carl,

What servo saver are you using fella?

[Chris Doughty]

he is still using the XRAY M18 one

[frogger]

Yes, it has a Futaba knob on it :lol: and so the XRay M18 servo save goes straight on and doesn't stick out the bottom loads. The servo centres great too.

I know what you are thinking and yes, it should be freakin awesome in your Carisma :thumbsup:

[jimmy]

I still dig my Xray M18B to be honest, never broken anything on it, handles great and with the JConcepts buggy shell it looks cooler than the shark I think - not as fat!!!!! :thumbsup:

[c0sie]

Already on the case lol
But..where are you guys getting the genuine XRAY servo savers?

[ashleyb4]

go on jimmy go on jimmy.

A

[frogger]

Already on the case lol
But..where are you guys getting the genuine XRAY servo savers?

http://www.teamxray.co.uk/productdetail-XR382500-m18.php

They take a while to arrive but I've had a few from them and they always got to me :)

[Chris Doughty]

I still dig my Xray M18B to be honest, never broken anything on it, handles great and with the JConcepts buggy shell it looks cooler than the shark I think - not as fat!!!!! :thumbsup:

Jimmy, the LRP Shark is on another level, seriously!

I do agree that the JConcepts body is pretty trick though :thumbsup:

[Chrislong]

Jimmy, the LRP Shark is on another level, seriously!


I'll second that. :thumbsup:

Somebody, think it was JT was telling me about another chassis, saying it could challenge the LRP shark - but i'll repeat what I said to him yesterday, that if another car was better or as good - then we'd know about it by now, be using it and it'd be winning.....

It'll take a lot for another chassis to beat the Shark. :lol: I got a feeling we're going to be using this car for a long long time....:lol:

[Chris Doughty]

and if Long says Long, that means Long! :woot:

[Chrislong]

Pmsl :lol:
Am I the definition of Long? :blush:

[c0sie]

If by JT you are refering to Mini-JT, then it was probably either a Mini-T or a Tamiya he was talking about :p

The ST is the dominant force now :)

Its also going to be quite interesting to see if any of you '10th' guys have any interesting ideas for EGM proposals, with your experience from the bigger scale of offroading?

[Chris Doughty]

the scoring system is a bit random, but I will take the result at wycombe :thumbsup:

[jimmy]

Haha, I guess when I won the B final last time at a National I only beat all those many-many Blazes by my vastly superior skill? :lol::lol: - Running the blaze I'd have been in the top three!
That makes running the Xray even more satisfying when I win then! hehe

[Chrislong]

Haha, I guess when I won the B final last time at a National I only beat all those many-many Blazes by my vastly superior skill? :lol::lol: - Running the blaze I'd have been in the top three!
That makes running the Xray even more satisfying when I win then! hehe

When was it?

From what I have been told, sharks have only been popular this season I believe. Its only recently they've been easily available in the UK (since SMD started importing LRP). In August when I bought mine it was a faff and eventually got it from Holland.

[Chrislong]

As for the EGM, when and where is it? What proposals are there so far?

I like the current race format - I wouldn't copy 10th. What we have for 10th works and works well, but to copy it would be a shame as what 18th have now is very different and I think is rather cool.

Perhaps something in qualifying where the fastest two consecutive laps of a heat decides the start order for the next qualifier... so if anybody has a particular bad run, or breakage, start order is more likely to still be balanced.

To be honest, im thinking "outside of the box" because I wouldn't change anything really of what we have. :blush:

[c0sie]

The EGM will be after the last round (March), so sometime in April in Hockley Heath (Birmingham way).

The details will be posted in 2009, im just curious to see what people are thinking :)

[Mini-JT]

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[c0sie]

Ill grant you the TEK18X is a good car, its just that the original seemed to trouble everyone who bought one and so once they sold up and bought ST's there was no where for the TEKX to slot in.

Zack Berry is the lad, using an M18T Pro, however (and this is in no way a negative towards to USA Nats) but the USA rules are a million times different to ours; such as standard wheels only etc etc and their tracks are no where near as mad as ours pmsl!

The thing is, why would you spend £200ish on a car (and electrics) that wasnt going to be competitive? Excluding 2WD (cos I have no idea why 2WD isnt more popular) people are always going to get into the hobby wanting to do well and from experience and from seeing all the previous cars at these races you cant do that unless you have an ST nowadays.

[Mini-JT]

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[c0sie]

Well yes. The Micro Nationals most certainly isnt an exclusive class...we'll welcome any offroad micro with open arms!