View Full Version : 22 3.0 Laydow transmission conversion is here
stefke
24-03-2016, 02:54 PM
It's announced :
http://www.redrc.net/2016/03/tlr-22-3-0-laydown-transmission-conversion/
On the TLR websit the RRP is 180$ !!! :cry:
It's announced :
http://www.redrc.net/2016/03/tlr-22-3-0-laydown-transmission-conversion/
On the TLR websit the SRP is 180$ !!! :cry:
Considering the contents of the package I'd say it is not cheap but fair: Transmission case and motor plate, chassis plate, aluminium hubs, body, brass weight, cf battery strap.
Manual is already online:
http://www.tlracing.com/ProdInfo/Files/TLR338004-Manual-Multi.pdf
NeilRalph77
24-03-2016, 04:18 PM
It's not exactly going to be a quick trackside swap over.
Yes I would say that is about fair considering what you get. I guess $180 will end up being close to £150-180.
Definitely not a trackside conversion so would be nice to see a kit as well.
Suppose I ought to get my standard 3.0 going before I start thinking about one of these!
Rob
discothesnake
24-03-2016, 06:31 PM
The standard car is quick so it'll be good to see if it's even better in that guise.
Can't understand why the alloy hubs are in the kit? Why would you need them?
No. 46
24-03-2016, 08:18 PM
The rear hubs might have different pick up points compared to the standard hubs
NeilRalph77
24-03-2016, 08:18 PM
With the current trend for multiple 2wd's from most manufacturers I think TLR would have got away with releasing it as a kit without much fuss, as it stands I can see people cherry picking the gearbox parts and drilling the standard chassis to suit.
bretts
24-03-2016, 08:50 PM
...and from looking at the holes you can't mount the standard gearbox on the new chassis either, no quick swap over then.
The standard car is quick so it'll be good to see if it's even better in that guise.
Can't understand why the alloy hubs are in the kit? Why would you need them?
I bet it is to increase value for money. The gearbox is machined from delrin and won't be cheap to produce, whereas TLR sells the new hubs as low as USD32.-
For a conversion, it is a good package, but I am not sure if I'll buy it as I've got my YZ-2 for really high-grip. I'd probably have bought a full kit without flinching, but having half a car lying around after doing the conversion, I don't know...
Origineelreclamebord
25-03-2016, 07:03 AM
I bet it is to increase value for money. The gearbox is machined from delrin and won't be cheap to produce, whereas TLR sells the new hubs as low as USD32.-
For a conversion, it is a good package, but I am not sure if I'll buy it as I've got my YZ-2 for really high-grip. I'd probably have bought a full kit without flinching, but having half a car lying around after doing the conversion, I don't know...
Where did you find the info that the gear casing is machined? I find it an odd choice for the final product, unless they're considering to sell only a few lowrider gearboxes at all or before releasing something else...
Where did you find the info that the gear casing is machined? I find it an odd choice for the final product, unless they're considering to sell only a few lowrider gearboxes at all or before releasing something else...
I was struck by the rated price of approx USD 80.- and decided to ask Frank Root. I am not sure what to think of it. Either they have something planned for the future or they just want to do the astro community a favour. Steel moulds are quite expensive...
stefke
25-03-2016, 01:25 PM
I just hope they bring out an "astro kit" or "TLR 22 3.1". Otherwise the XB2 is way more interesting to replace my 22 2.0
Si2008
25-03-2016, 06:25 PM
I'm a bit disappointed they haven't just released an Astro version full kit. They may as well have done. I'd rather have the second buggy for high grip stuff as I'm slowly starting to grips with my 3.0. It works pretty well on low-mid grip but it really isn't working for me on anything high grip.
Origineelreclamebord
25-03-2016, 07:19 PM
I was struck by the rated price of approx USD 80.- and decided to ask Frank Root. I am not sure what to think of it. Either they have something planned for the future or they just want to do the astro community a favour. Steel moulds are quite expensive...
Your comments have made me think... TLR's focus seems to be on the US racing community, where as far as my knowledge goes the 'regular' 3- and 4-gear layout is the way to go on the vast majority of the tracks. Their team drivers need a competitive low-rider car though, and if that exists they can't deny their customers one. Being a niche for the US market and my guess that having a low-rider kit is more of a necessity than a unique feature to have over the competition, I guess they didn't see an affordable low-rider conversion or seperate kit as the way to go.
That's all very speculative of course :) It's an expensive kit, but they're quicker to offer such an option to the public than their main (US) rival (Associated).
AfroP
25-03-2016, 09:51 PM
The 22.3 is a great value for money kit.
Comes ad standard with titanium turnbuckles, a pre cut body shell, full alloy bleeder shocks, and 2 sets of wheels.
And as many have said is fully competitive out the box with kit setup.
That conversion kit looks like it provides a lot for the price compared to say the kyosho conversion.
And losi have jumped on the lay down 3 gear wagon ahead of associated who won the world's with a 3 gear lay down and still haven't produced their own. The champs ed of the b5m still has the standard gearbox
Si2008
25-03-2016, 10:07 PM
The 22.3 is a great value for money kit.
Comes ad standard with titanium turnbuckles, a pre cut body shell, full alloy bleeder shocks, and 2 sets of wheels.
And as many have said is fully competitive out the box with kit setup.
That conversion kit looks like it provides a lot for the price compared to say the kyosho conversion.
And losi have jumped on the lay down 3 gear wagon ahead of associated who won the world's with a 3 gear lay down and still haven't produced their own. The champs ed of the b5m still has the standard gearbox
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking TLR at all. I just wished they'd bought out another complete 2wd buggy for high grip. I'd have just happily bought that and run either as per track conditions.
stefke
25-03-2016, 10:11 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking TLR at all. I just wished they'd bought out another complete 2wd buggy for high grip. I'd have just happily bought that and run either as per track conditions.
I'll second that !
lomar15
26-03-2016, 09:22 AM
I third that! If you have to replace the chassis your not upgrading your car your building a new car. Just offer the car as 2 kits as per xb2. I would buy this car, for high bite carpet, but as it is now having to buy a gear diff and now a chassis and gearbox. Its almost double the cost of an xb2.
Whats the diffrence between the two chassis? The 22 3.0 chassis and the laydown chassis?
Karting
30-03-2016, 04:18 PM
Whats the diffrence between the two chassis? The 22 3.0 chassis and the laydown chassis?
The pickup holes for the gearbox are different and also its milled different around the battery compartment and gearbox area
The 22.3 is a great value for money kit.
Comes ad standard with titanium turnbuckles, a pre cut body shell, full alloy bleeder shocks, and 2 sets of wheels.
And as many have said is fully competitive out the box with kit setup.
That conversion kit looks like it provides a lot for the price compared to say the kyosho conversion.
And losi have jumped on the lay down 3 gear wagon ahead of associated who won the world's with a 3 gear lay down and still haven't produced their own. The champs ed of the b5m still has the standard gearbox
+1 to everything but the kit turnbuckles, they are not titanium. The only things I do not like about the kit is the look of the body and the steering due to the plastic, but as TLR has announced the aluminum steering set. thi s is a temporary issue. :)
MX304
31-03-2016, 03:02 AM
The standard car is quick so it'll be good to see if it's even better in that guise.
Can't understand why the alloy hubs are in the kit? Why would you need them?
The hubs are made to work with the new trans which has the out drive placed higher up. Supposed to correct the roll center when running at the lower ride heights required on carpet.
NeilRalph77
04-04-2016, 03:52 PM
http://www.modelsport.co.uk/0/rc-car-products/400991
DarkHawk
05-04-2016, 11:08 AM
Much better value if you buy it for DMS Racing
http://www.dms-racing.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=23436&virtuemart_category_id=412
stefke
07-04-2016, 01:34 PM
Even better value :
http://www.exotekracing.com/22-3-0-lcg-gear-box-set-laydown-gear-box-conversion/
RRP 89.95$
IDK if it is better value as it does not include a chassis, weight, body and aluminium rear hubs, but it considerably cheaper. Not an easy decision for sure...
stefke
07-04-2016, 02:26 PM
IDK if it is better value as it does not include a chassis, weight, body and aluminium rear hubs, but it considerably cheaper. Not an easy decision for sure...
The only thing the TLR kit has on this are the alu hubs. I have no need for a new TLR body or a new chassis.
Therefore i think the exotek kit has better value
Purely on the amount you get in the box, the TLR version looks better value to me plus you are getting a factory upgrade without the need to drill holes in the chassis yourself.
However the Exotek version seems to suggest "easy" gearbox changes so theoretically you could switch between std and laydown relatively quickly based on track conditions - if you had two gearboxes ready to go, say the std with a ball diff and laydown with a gear diff, it might be possible to switch between the two set ups at bigger race meetings if you had time. Pretty much impossible to do that with the TLR version as it is a different chassis so a lot more to swap over so if you want both options you need to run two cars.
Guess I ought to run the standard car first before I worry about either of these - hopefully this Sunday.
AfroP
07-04-2016, 10:32 PM
The new shell in the TLR upgrade kit is designed to cover the spur gear.
When in the lay down config the spur gear cover wont fit.
No other shell on the market as far as I'm aware will cover the spur gear in the laydown config.
As far as I can tell the exotek kit does not include a way to protect your spur gear
seems to me you get more bang for your buck from the losi kit.
you also have the added advantage of setups for that kit being put out by both US and UK team drivers
Darren Boyle
08-04-2016, 01:01 AM
The Exotek conversion will include a black delrin gear cover...
Full details can be found here - http://www.exotekracing.com/22-3-0-l...ox-conversion/ (http://www.exotekracing.com/22-3-0-lcg-gear-box-set-laydown-gear-box-conversion/)
The alloy gearbox casing coupled with the alloy motor plate will also act as an efficient heatsink to keep on top of high motor temps on mega grippy tracks too
UK RRP on the Exotek is expected to be approx £84.95 (incidentally the US RRP is $109.99, the $89.99 price quoted above is the discounted price before tax etc) It is also due Mid to End of April
We have a prototype here in the UK from Exotek that is being tested and should potentially be in use at the first national at Kidderminster next weekend too.
With the launch of the laydown conversion for the 3.0, with geometry changes that make sense for carpet and astro tracks (lower center of gravity, higher roll center, better weight distribution...) I'm curious about the opinions on a rear sway bar. For me this is the only thing that I'm missing in the conversion, as other brands are using it already (KF2, TM2, XB2, Tebo at 2105 worlds...).
In our local club, having a very bumpy and high traction astro track, I've found that a homemade rear sway bar in the TLR 2.0 makes the rear more stable and allows to use a very soft suspension to swallow bumps but being stable enough in the fast turns to avoid traction rolling.
Also, in the 2.0 the rear arms have holes for the sway bar, but in the 3.0 they are gone. What do you think about?
NeilRalph77
18-04-2016, 06:37 PM
We have a prototype here in the UK from Exotek that is being tested and should potentially be in use at the first national at Kidderminster next weekend too.
How did it perform? Or were conditions not ideal for it.
discothesnake
18-04-2016, 07:38 PM
I saw John Spencer use this car all day. Even in the wet. Looked ace. Think he put it in the B??
Had a look at it during the day.
Very nice.
Darren Boyle
18-04-2016, 11:43 PM
Yep, as above Jon ran the car like it all day in both wet and dry conditions and was the 2nd highest TLR behind Ellis. Car was really good throughout
KBRacing
19-04-2016, 12:06 AM
How is it compared to the original, Gear setup....??
Darren Boyle
19-04-2016, 12:18 AM
How is it compared to the original, Gear setup....??
In what way do you mean?
burgie
19-04-2016, 07:43 AM
Do we know when the TLR kit will be available in the UK?
In what way do you mean?
Hi Darren
Not sure if this was the question originally being asked but given we would all expect the new laydown gearbox to be better in the dry, was the wet weather performance compromised as a result compared to the original kit 4 gear set up or was it better in wet and dry conditions?
Going on the current weather forecast :bored: I think I may get to see its wet weather performance this Sunday at Stotfold if John is going.
Any guesses on when we might see the conversion kits in the UK?
Rob
Darren Boyle
19-04-2016, 08:52 AM
Hi Rob. From what Jon told me the car was very good in the wet still and he had some good scores in the early rounds. If I recall he said he was 1 sec behind Ellis who was running a 3 gear conventional mid car early on, so pace was good. As the track did dry it got even better.
Don't forget the kit is 3 gear (not 4) and the Exotek gearbox uses the 3 kit gears.
The TLR kits have now been pushed back a month I understand and should have originally been here next week. The Exotek version should be here sooner...
Thanks, Darren, look forward to seeing a pre-order option on your site soon:)
Rob
NeilRalph77
19-04-2016, 11:58 AM
Do you know if he used the +3 hubs or the kit ones?
Darren Boyle
19-04-2016, 01:44 PM
Jon used kit rear hub carriers. By the end of the day (in the dry) was also down to 2.5 degree toe in (and ball diff) since the rear was so locked in..
No. 46
19-04-2016, 06:56 PM
On the roll bar question. You can fit a roll bar to the rear with just a couple of little mods.
I used an xray xb4 roll bar with the xray drop links and just cut a slot in the rear of the rear shock tower with a hacksaw. If you cut it so it fits under the rear roll centre block that acts as the clamp then just drill the holes for the drop links in the wishbone.
If you want a front roll bar you can use the sct front camber link and roll bars again just drill the hole in the wishbones.
On the roll bar question. You can fit a roll bar to the rear with just a couple of little mods.
I used an xray xb4 roll bar with the xray drop links and just cut a slot in the rear of the rear shock tower with a hacksaw. If you cut it so it fits under the rear roll centre block that acts as the clamp then just drill the holes for the drop links in the wishbone.
If you want a front roll bar you can use the sct front camber link and roll bars again just drill the hole in the wishbones.
Thanks for answering. Could you post some photos?
Anyway... I'm still wondering why TLR discarded a rear sway bar for the 3.0...
NeilRalph77
20-04-2016, 09:07 PM
The big question for me is why a conversion not a kit surely it wouldn't be to difficult to swap some parts out in however many 22 3.0 boxes they saw fit and slap a sticker on the front saying high grip or low rider. That's not to say they shouldn't offer a conversion to those who might not fancy a second car.
AfroP
21-04-2016, 12:42 PM
http://www.redrc.net/2016/04/exotek-22-3-0-lcg-aluminium-gearbox-set/#more-111501
Still think the losi kit is better value for money
stefke
21-04-2016, 01:29 PM
But the Exo kit is simply a lot less money :D
stefke
21-04-2016, 01:31 PM
The big question for me is why a conversion not a kit surely it wouldn't be to difficult to swap some parts out in however many 22 3.0 boxes they saw fit and slap a sticker on the front saying high grip or low rider. That's not to say they shouldn't offer a conversion to those who might not fancy a second car.
extra profits + lower costs = no brainer.
Kyosho is doing this all the time.
stefke
21-04-2016, 01:35 PM
Just brainstorming : I have a 22 2.0 with Exotek chassis kit. would this lowrider gearbox be "mountable" on this setup ?
NeilRalph77
22-04-2016, 01:10 PM
extra profits + lower costs = no brainer.
Kyosho is doing this all the time.
Exotec gearbox + 5mins patience and concentration = No TLR profit.
Darren Boyle
22-04-2016, 09:43 PM
The Exotek sets were despatched from the US this afternoon, so should be here in the next 5 - 7 days now.
Available to pre-order through any dealer with an X-Factory UK account
http://www.xfactoryrc.co.uk/index.php/new-products/coming-soon/lcg-black-alloy-laydown-gearbox-and-battery-strap-set-tlr-22-3-0-detail
I've been told the TLR lcg conversions have arrived in Germany. Although I am not about to grab either of the lcg conversions anytime soon, I must admit I really like the look of the Exotek aluminum gearbox... :drool:
lomar15
27-04-2016, 06:25 AM
I've been told the TLR lcg conversions have arrived in Germany. Although I am not about to grab either of the lcg conversions anytime soon, I must admit I really like the look of the Exotek aluminum gearbox... :drool:
And it comes with a template to drill your original chassis so no need to swap to a new one
Darren Boyle
27-04-2016, 07:55 AM
Both the Exotek and TLR conversions are IN STOCK now here in the UK for those looking for either.......
Karting
27-04-2016, 06:13 PM
I have my exotek Lower Rider waiting to be fitted along with some Exotek Servo mounts and Exotek thumb screws all from Dms.
Gotta love bling
Karting
28-04-2016, 08:09 AM
Pics please
If you excuse the wiring as I ran out of time, they will be shortened and made neater tonight (still same length as for standard gearbox )
cutting42
28-04-2016, 09:55 AM
Mine after some frantic wrenching last night, going to be battle of the laydowns tonight at DMS ;-) Same excuse as Sam, wiring as original but I might leave it to allow for gearbox swapping.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/cutting42/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-04/24641FB6-D870-427C-A211-9758E4B10528_zpsffal9lvs.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/cutting42/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-04/8CAF54EE-82CF-488C-9017-EC2A1217C347_zpspowpqofk.jpg
Karting
28-04-2016, 09:58 AM
Mine after some frantic wrenching last night, going to be battle of the laydowns tonight at DMS ;-) Same excuse as Sam, wiring as original but I might leave it to allow for gearbox swapping.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/cutting42/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-04/24641FB6-D870-427C-A211-9758E4B10528_zpsffal9lvs.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/cutting42/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-04/8CAF54EE-82CF-488C-9017-EC2A1217C347_zpspowpqofk.jpg
Mix and match of parts Gareth? I see the new tlr chassis and the exotek gearbox
cutting42
28-04-2016, 11:31 AM
Mix and match of parts Gareth? I see the new tlr chassis and the exotek gearbox
Blimey, eagle eyes, yes you are correct ;-) I have both as I got a spare chassis, bodyshell (crap) alloy hubs, brass lipo weight and a choice of gearboxes etc.
I have drilled the new Losi chassis to take the Mid gearbox as well, maximum flexibility.
szymanski2oo1
28-04-2016, 02:35 PM
Ha ... Gareth glad you have lots of practice ! Need you to do mine ! 😊
cutting42
28-04-2016, 02:41 PM
Ha ... Gareth glad you have lots of practice ! Need you to do mine ! 😊
Actually, Exotek have done an amazing job with the template provided to align for drilling the new holes, piece of solid fibre board that you screw on using the old screw holes allowing alignment to drill the new ones very easily and accurately. But I will do it for you, just need a portrait done of me looking slim and attractive in return ;-)
szymanski2oo1
28-04-2016, 03:15 PM
Ha ha easy tiger ... Will break out the photoshop skills !
stefke
29-04-2016, 11:54 AM
well, the big competitor got the message right :
http://www.redrc.net/2016/04/team-associated-announce-the-b6-platform/
well, the big competitor got the message right :
http://www.redrc.net/2016/04/team-associated-announce-the-b6-platform/
...and this time, they're doing it right.
Back on topic: How do you like your laydown transmissions? Yesterday I saw some guys working on theirs, and on our track they only started to like it after they had moved the rear shocks forward. This involved cutting up a second shock tower as a spacer and drilling some holes in the rear arms, but seemed to work pretty good.
cutting42
06-05-2016, 01:47 PM
Back on topic: How do you like your laydown transmissions? Yesterday I saw some guys working on theirs, and on our track they only started to like it after they had moved the rear shocks forward. This involved cutting up a second shock tower as a spacer and drilling some holes in the rear arms, but seemed to work pretty good.
I ran my v3 at the Stotfold regional in original stand up mode and again on the same track layout on Wed and went around 20 sec quicker with slightly better conditions to be fair. On the whole, the turn in is more predictable and mid corner onpower grip is outstanding. Traction is still ridiculous so a good slipper setup is important. Its a keeper for me.
AfroP
06-05-2016, 02:41 PM
I ran my lTLR laydown at a club night on Sunday on older carpet
I bought new mini pins for the rear at the beginning of the night as i was concerned the ones i had were maybe a bit worn.
I did need the new tires.
I have so much rear end grip its unreal.
The car felt quicker and as i got to grips with it, I got quicker through the night as well
awesome bit of kit, and awesome car. RC Car action car of the year and peoples choice car of the year :D
Karting
13-05-2016, 08:24 AM
First time I ran my Exotek Laydown last night after having it for a few weeks waiting. Haha
I was amazed how much better car is with it. Corners much flatter and seems alot more predictable. I ran quite worn tyres all night and didn't feel it hindered me that much. I will be trying thicker diff oil for next week. The track I run on I would class as medium grip
Overall, a big improvemnt
diago999
16-05-2016, 08:07 PM
Karting, what diff oil weight did you start with/are you going too?
I've got some 5k in mine currently and its going well :)
Would you care to share a setup with us?
Clive Loynes
17-05-2016, 09:55 AM
Any idea where I can lay hands on the big idler gear from the three gear transmission?
jameswilkinson7
25-05-2016, 09:37 AM
Fitted the Exotek lay down box the other week and its fantastic!
The quality is spot on and it improves an already great car to an awesome car!
I found it easy to drive in both the wet and the dry.
I am able to push the car much harder yet it remains predictable and planted.
Great job Exotek!!:thumbsup:
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