BURY METRO Winter Indoor Series 2009/2010 Dates

[njc11]

Here's the dates for the Winter Indoor Series 2009 / 2010!!

Im publishing now simply so other clubs can perhaps fit there meets around our dates to save clashes.

Also these dates DO NOT clash with Worksops Indoor series 2009 / 2010, i have checked this already with Muzzy.

One thing which will be confirmed nearer the time will be the start time. We have left the doors open time at 10am for now.. But if this event starts to become a regular turn out of 80+ drivers (nearly 100 turned up on the 18th Jan for our 3rd ever meet..) we will then defo open up much earlier so we get earlier finish times...

We as a club are really chuffed how successfull we have been up to now with this new indoor venue, numbers have increased quite significantly since our first meet back in November, and we thank everyone for the support they are giving us by turning up. If this support continues to grow this event could become as popular as Worksop :thumbsup:

Cheers

Nick

http://www.cls.eclipse.co.uk/RCCars/Bury%20Booking%20in%20Form%202%202009%202010b.pdf

http://www.cls.eclipse.co.uk/RCCars/Bury%20Booking%20in%20Form%202%202009%202010b.jpg

[Cockerill]

Im publishing now simply so other clubs can perhaps fit there meets around our dates to save clashes.

Also these dates DO NOT clash with Worksops Indoor series 2009 / 2010, i have checked this already with Muzzy.

Assuming Worksop have 7 rounds again, and your having 8, good luck to other clubs that want to hold meetings next winter, nevermind a regional series.

Ah well, back to planning the 2011/12 calander...

[njc11]

Assuming Worksop have 7 rounds again, and your having 8, good luck to other clubs that want to hold meetings next winter, nevermind a regional series.

Ah well, back to planning the 2011/12 calander...

:o

Hope thats not a dig??? The events we have put on have proven very popular..so it would seem daft to stop them?? In the North West decent indoor offroad meets are very thin on the ground. Maybe we could incorporate a regional round with 1 or 2 of the dates? I do all the worksop rounds have travelled to Broxtowe and York and will be doing Southport GP... as do a number of the Bury clan..so between us all we support other clubs.

Cheers

Nick
:thumbsup:

[Northy]

Tom does have a very good point here, it is hard enough to arrange regional series as it is.

I'm afraid 'large number of rounds' series might actually kill off clubs if we are not careful. At the very best it will dilute the number of racers at each event. I was specifically asked by NE clubs in 2008 (outdoors this is) to limit the number of weekends that a regional was on, as clubs were getting low numbers to club days.

Also, the last weekend in March is normally Indoor Finals weekend, this year is just a special case ;)

Not having a go, just trying to help :)

G

[Cockerill]

Not a dig, as I have enjoyed the rounds I have attended and will do more when I can.

I'm not saying stop them either, I just think that with 15 weekends taken up in the North by Worksop/Bury, and a Regional Series on top of that, there is very little scope for other clubs to have a chance to run winter meetings.

[njc11]

Tom does have a very good point here, it is hard enough to arrange regional series as it is.

I'm afraid 'large number of rounds' series might actually kill off clubs if we are not careful. At the very best it will dilute the number of racers at each event. I was specifically asked by NE clubs in 2008 (outdoors this is) to limit the number of weekends that a regional was on, as clubs were getting low numbers to club days.

Also, the last weekend in March is normally Indoor Finals weekend, this year is just a special case ;)

Not having a go, just trying to help :)

G

G,

Not a problem mate.. we wanted to get our dates in to the center to save disapointment on looseing the venue... Talking to them they have alot booked up already.. hence getting it sorted now.. and giving you that form and the broxtowe lads a form.

Like i said we would be more than happy to run a regional or 2 im sure...

Cheers

Nick

[Northy]

Nick,

I think what you and the other Bury guys have done is great, it's good to see the Bury club healthy again, it's just the NE and NW seem to share a lot of common racers and they can only be in one place at a time. :lol:

I took your form, but put it in my bag, didn't look at the dates on the day sorry :blush:

G

[njc11]

Nick,

I think what you and the other Bury guys have done is great, it's good to see the Bury club healthy again, it's just the NE and NW seem to share a lot of common racers and they can only be in one place at a time. :lol:

I took your form, but put it in my bag, didn't look at the dates on the day sorry :blush:

G

G,

No probs.. but i know for a fact woOdy / Roger were considering joining a different region NE or Mid West ??!?! Im sure they will be along to confirm.. If thats the case theres no reason why we couldnt hold a regional round or 2 at Bury?

Cheres

Nick

[Northy]

Nick, as a club you can run regionals for whoever you wanted to (within reason), so can run them for the NE & the NW ;)

G

[woOdy]

G,

No probs.. but i know for a fact woOdy / Roger were considering joining a different region NE or Mid West ??!?! Im sure they will be along to confirm.. If thats the case theres no reason why we couldnt hold a regional round or 2 at Bury?

Cheres

Nick

You carry on mate! The more u do the less I do! lol. I have not been spoke to about these dates so I do understand what Tom and G are saying. I think 8 is too many.

This is 1 for G, Regards running a Regional I did ask you for an indoor Regional this year but got no answer so you will have to let me know if the North East want to come.

[Chrislong]

Things have changed big time. Go back 10 years and people didn't travel half as much as they do now. In the NW we had loads of big strong clubs and could race many times per week (Bury, Southport, Chorley, Oldham, Rochdale, South Lakes, Ellesmere Port, Bolton) and the NW regional series was huge winter and summer, and the only person travelling to the NE to race was Craggy (Fair-do's, the level of skill over there was always high). But also, it had only a small number really doing nationals, but now things have changed and majority want to do nationals - taking away numbers from clubs? or did the clubs go first?

This has all gone, and the NW drivers mostly now travel to NE and Worksop for winter, its really unfortunate and a shame that the NW has been so quiet other than Formby, and thats only really due to its loyal club racers who rarely travel. I am really glad Bury is strengthening.

I am all for Bury keeping these dates, its bringing back what the NW had. Right now its reliant on people travelling too though, but if this sort of growth and event continues, hopefully it'll be what the NW region needs for more racers to start up and things may return to people not travelling as far and separation of NW from NE compared to current, who knows, it may mean a shop opens up in the area again :D, bring back Steve Glover. :lol:

So for NE regionals, unless if Bury become part of the NE regionals, perhaps force the regional clash to be during NERCR and/or Jarrow? Hope im not poking a hornets nest with that.

[njc11]

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[njc11]

You carry on mate! The more u do the less I do! lol. I have not been spoke to about these dates so I do understand what Tom and G are saying. I think 8 is too many.

This is 1 for G, Regards running a Regional I did ask you for an indoor Regional this year but got no answer so you will have to let me know if the North East want to come.

Why is 8 to many?

[turbo_brick]

So for NE regionals, unless if Bury become part of the NE regionals, perhaps force the regional clash to be during NERCR and/or Jarrow? Hope im not poking a hornets nest with that.

That's not exactly fair on those clubs, they already struggle to get enough numbers there for regionals. As a large number of the people from the south of the region won't drive this far north, being this high must give them nose bleeds or something:lol:.

Peter

[bigred5765]

i don't think they will affect any regional dates, as most if not all people realize no regionals no license grade,and any clash regionals should and would take priority,

[Northy]

Indoor regionals mean jack for your F grade Lion-O......

G

[Matt Alcock]

after jus skimming this thread it seems a similar problem to what happened with the rallycross over the last year or so.

To many clubs ran, not checking dates with each other, therefore numbers at all meetings were low.

This meaning there was not enough people to run a meeting properly leading for racing which was no fun really as you were guaranteed a high finishing postion and also bad for the clubs.

This killed the rally cross in the midlands region for most of the 07 winter and start of 08. Things now seem to have sorted them selves out a bit and there is something each week with not many meetings clashing anymore!!!

Just my input, as i've seen this happen and it appears the same thing is happening here!

Matt

[njc11]

As people are asking here is the thread..

6 rounds..

Cheers

Nick
:thumbsup:

[Chrislong]

Who wants to do some SC10/Slash/Strike racing? :)

[cmgreen]

Indoor regionals mean jack for your F grade Lion-O......

G

Just a couple of questions on this.

Can we change this?

Why is an F rating only rated on out door performance?

May be there should be two ratings? Indoor and Out Door

[Chrislong]

I wouldn't encourage indoor F gradings...

As outdoors, racers travel far and wide following the series conscious of ranking and gradings - but the clubs suffer as they have few dates left in the calender and the free ones people want to practice elsewhere... i.e. Bury had 10 racers last weekend, as the racers doing the Southport national decided (and rightly so) to go to practice for last oportunity of practice.

Indoors, the clubs need the loyal club racers. Bury is going to hold another awesome race series and any changes to current structures through the winter would put a huge dent in the attendance levels - which would soon close the club :( , and any more importance added to the series would put another hurdle up for potential new classes like Short Course10 trucks.

Im sure there are other reasons too, if you want the official answer. Visit www.BRCA.org and email Paul Worsley, he is always very fair, clear & precise in his answers.

Thanks
Chris

[Lee]

Just a couple of questions on this.

Can we change this?

Why is an F rating only rated on out door performance?

May be there should be two ratings? Indoor and Out Door


It's just the way it is, unless you did the tiverton winter series. I think a lot of people see the winter as a bit of time off and a bit more relaxed. If you think about it those who do nationals start running outdoor as soon as they can, feb/march time for most. then they are travelling to national tracks for testing. regional races come upon us so fast as do nationals then there is the euros and the worlds for the elite. I think 12 months racing is just too much for some. Plus would we really want to dilute the competitive series that we have, such as bury/worksop/regionals/indoor finals/players/petit/mkgp. the list goes on. You can always find somewhere to race over the winter.;)

[bigred5765]

so who is going to bury this weekend then,went up today and roger was there buy him self mowing and cutting the track for you lot,we helped him out for a hour,i think we need a track day or two for maintenance,although roger has done a great job already,a few extra hands wouldn't go a miss,we need to get attendances up on a Sunday and try to get the clubs membership up,??any ideas

[Chrislong]

Im there.

[Si Coe]

I'll be coming and I've roped a new driver into coming too.

Well I had to. The only way I can avoid being last is finding someone slower......

[gazhillAE]

This all seems to of got out of hand if i say so myself!

The way i look at it is what ever dates are arranged so be it, and what that has to do with any other region or club i really dont know.

I remember back years ago when there were loads of different championships and clubs around doing pritty much the same thing and the good thing was that it let new people win and not the same people you see and hear about on the net and in the mags!

I might be shooting myself in the foot here if so so be it :woot:

Bury indoor championship is great fun and at a great venue easily as good as worksop! Anyone who hasnt been get down there!

At the end of the day if an event clashes with another then thats the way it goes, you can never be every where you want to be your only one person!

Good on you Caro 6 rounds il be at every one :thumbsup:

[Chrislong]

Me too Gaz, and yeh, let them clash... id choose Bury indoor over Worksop without needing to think about it.... id even go for more events than 6!!!

[shanks]

Yep I would go bury indoors nearly ebry weekend (her indoors allowing!)

[Si Coe]

Lee and I were talking about this Thursday night. Bury puts on such a storming indoors series its almost like summer is the 'off season' whilst waiting for the winter to start!

Besides, whilst much of the complaint here is the 'big' winter series reduces numbers on club days, Bury has the opposite problem in summer. Summer club meets are normally about a dozen people as everyone else is off doing regionals for every other region etc. Winter is when they get the punters in and get the good turnouts. Indeed, I'm fairly sure Bury outdoors would have stopped were it not for the success of Bury indoors.

Bury NEEDS to be selfish about this. Other clubs happily deplete its club days in the summer, why can't Bury do the same in the winter?

[T4miy4 Guy]

I`m quite new to the racing scene.

Not everyone wants to travel far and wide to race!

Myself , i require a local club and racing venue so Bury it is because its local for me.

Just like to say i totally agree with Si`s comment above and it`s all abit petty saying to cut the rounds because it detracks from other venues!

The more rounds the merrier i say!

:thumbsup: