B6 diff outdrives

[david85williams]

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me if there are any harder wearing outdrives available? Mine are showing quite a bit of wear already after 2 meetings....

[xfactor]

Hi David,

The only other outdrives I know of for the B6, are the MIP pucks or MIP roller pucks.

Expensive, but do work.

Other than that I don't know of any....

Hope that helps........:thumbsup:

[david85williams]

Ok great, thanks for the quick reply. I will look into the MIP options.

[stuey]

My new gear diff outdrives are showing wear after a couple meetings, where as my ball diff ones are unmarked. It has not been slipping and is still smooth. My schumacher 4wd diff outdrives are also showing hardly any wear after a lot of use. Material used not very good??

[david85williams]

On Schumacher cars I have and had the outdrives pretty much last forever.

[PaulRotheram]

Check your driveshaft pins - if they're worn itl wear the outdrives faster.

[david85williams]

Check your driveshaft pins - if they're worn itl wear the outdrives faster.

The car is only been run for a couple of meetings.

[david85williams]

Looks like there is a stock issue with replacement outdrives... I cannot find any spare ones.

[langers]

Had the same problem was told that they were changing them as this was happening in January when I sent photos to my local shop after 3 meeting mine were worn to a point of effecting drive.
still not yet available from associated

[langers]

Also watch the drive shafts as they can catch on the rear inner link mount if you have the 2 mm gearbox shim fitted because the gear diff out drives flex slightly causing them to hit it remove the mount and you will see some of the blue worn at point of contact

[david85williams]

Had the same problem was told that they were changing them as this was happening in January when I sent photos to my local shop after 3 meeting mine were worn to a point of effecting drive.
still not yet available from associated

I thought this might have been an ongoing issue. Just surprised that its taken so long to resolve and in the meantime you cannot purchase replacements.

[david85williams]

Also watch the drive shafts as they can catch on the rear inner link mount if you have the 2 mm gearbox shim fitted because the gear diff out drives flex slightly causing them to hit it remove the mount and you will see some of the blue worn at point of contact

Ok thanks for the tip. I will keep an eye on this if and when I use a gearbox shim

[J77MYF]

Also watch the drive shafts as they can catch on the rear inner link mount if you have the 2 mm gearbox shim fitted because the gear diff out drives flex slightly causing them to hit it remove the mount and you will see some of the blue worn at point of contact

I had exactly the same thing with mine. I took them back out and I can't tell a difference when driving it.

[Gupz]

If you get the MIP outdrives, you'll need the pucks, rollers and drive shafts.

You can get the original AE ones 91465 on amazon, but they will come from Germany.

Schelle do a set as well, but I haven't seen availability on those.


There are options out there and I would imagine with the amount of people owning a B6, that this is going to be the case for a bit.

If the original ones are wearing at a high rate, I would imagine AE are working on a harder version. Don't expect that to be a fast turn around. they have always taken their time to release these things...and that's if they are even considering upgrading them.

I bought a few sets when I got the car originally. then moved onto the MIP system.
I'm not sure I would want to go back to the original ones now.

[david85williams]

If you get the MIP outdrives, you'll need the pucks, rollers and drive shafts.

You can get the original AE ones 91465 on amazon, but they will come from Germany.

Schelle do a set as well, but I haven't seen availability on those.


There are options out there and I would imagine with the amount of people owning a B6, that this is going to be the case for a bit.

If the original ones are wearing at a high rate, I would imagine AE are working on a harder version. Don't expect that to be a fast turn around. they have always taken their time to release these things...and that's if they are even considering upgrading them.

I bought a few sets when I got the car originally. then moved onto the MIP system.
I'm not sure I would want to go back to the original ones now.

Thanks for the reply.

Can you tell me if the MIP shafts will work with a AE gear diff? All kits I've seen are for ball diffs.

[david85williams]

If you get the MIP outdrives, you'll need the pucks, rollers and drive shafts.

You can get the original AE ones 91465 on amazon, but they will come from Germany.

Schelle do a set as well, but I haven't seen availability on those.


There are options out there and I would imagine with the amount of people owning a B6, that this is going to be the case for a bit.

If the original ones are wearing at a high rate, I would imagine AE are working on a harder version. Don't expect that to be a fast turn around. they have always taken their time to release these things...and that's if they are even considering upgrading them.

I bought a few sets when I got the car originally. then moved onto the MIP system.
I'm not sure I would want to go back to the original ones now.

Actually I've just found these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIP16040-MIP-Associated-B6-Roller-Pucks-Gear-Diff-Kit-/122193392961?epid=2011329499&hash=item1c734b3541:g:XEMAAOSwHMJYCoIK

Do I need the rest of the drive shaft?

[Aire valley]

Just ordered the MIP16040 from RC Hobbies 4life in the USA , I have bought from there before...seem a big reputable company.. for £33.76 including postage. The cheapest I could find and,as I said, a good company. This "puck" system is cheaper than I found for the B5m..!
David, you get everything you need for the conversion in the pack..

[david85williams]

Just ordered the MIP16040 from RC Hobbies 4life in the USA , I have bought from there before...seem a big reputable company.. for £33.76 including postage. The cheapest I could find and,as I said, a good company. This "puck" system is cheaper than I found for the B5m..!
David, you get everything you need for the conversion in the pack..

Ok great, thanks for the help. I've ordered a set. :thumbsup:

[daz75]

Has anyone spoken to ae about their rubbish outdrives?

[Aire valley]

Just ordered the MIP16040 from RC Hobbies 4life in the USA , I have bought from there before...seem a big reputable company.. for £33.76 including postage. The cheapest I could find and,as I said, a good company. This "puck" system is cheaper than I found for the B5m..!
David, you get everything you need for the conversion in the pack..

And they arrived today..! :thumbsup: how's that for service..!

[david85williams]

I got mine yesterday. Just need to fit them :)

[daz75]

Better service than AE they ignore tweets it seems

[stuey]

I just rang CML to see if they had any dates or info on the gear diff outdrives 91465. They are out of stock at AE, and no ideas when they might be available. Mine have only done a few meetings and are wearing already. Can you turn it around and wear the other fresh face out, or will that effect the braking? Otherwise it will be ball diff or sits on the shelf!!

[daz75]

Here is what associated say assume a delay in them coming here tho

Sorry for the delay of the parts, we have more expected to arrive here 10-3-17.

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Thank You,

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Donald Natale (Don)

Senior: Customer Support // OEM // Dealer Representative

Associated Electrics Inc./Team Associated

26021 Commercentre Dr.

Lake Forest, CA 92630

[david85williams]

It's really poor of AE. These outdrives really are not fit for purpose. Some people have swapped the outdrives around along with the drive shafts.

I have now run the MIP roller pucks for 3 meetings with no visible wear.

[stuey]

Here is what associated say assume a delay in them coming here tho

Sorry for the delay of the parts, we have more expected to arrive here 10-3-17.

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Thank You,

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Donald Natale (Don)

Senior: Customer Support // OEM // Dealer Representative

Associated Electrics Inc./Team Associated

26021 Commercentre Dr.

Lake Forest, CA 92630

I got the same date from them today via a FB message. They are clearly made of cheese, hopefully the new ones are a better material.

[daz75]

In my message i did mention the fact the current ones are made from the softest metal known to man :D

[Aire valley]

Just go for the MIP ones as mentioned above..not that much more expensive than standard out drives and includes driveshafts and pucks....problem solved.

[Novamartin16v]

Just ordered a set of MIP ones to from USA.
AE ones just shite & sick of waiting for stock,

[stuey]

Well the date has slipped by, not showing in stock at the TA website.

[jrenton]

Does anyone know if you can buy the B6 gear diff washers separately or what sizes they are?

[PaulRotheram]

Does anyone have a link for the MIP alternatives?

[david85williams]

This is what I bought:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIP16040-MIP-Associated-B6-Roller-Pucks-Gear-Diff-Kit-/122193392961?epid=2011329499&hash=item1c734b3541:g:XEMAAOSwHMJYCoIK

This is for a gear diff only....

[Aire valley]

Also look on MIP,s website in the States......they have some sale items at the moment. I bought some additional roller pucks at half price last week.

[jim sykes]

i have on good authority that yz2 ones fit with a little dremelling
regards jim

[adey]

Just fitted yz2 ones. They require some work with a dremel but they do fit. You have to cut 1mm off the end that goes toward the centre of the diff and remove approx half a mm off the outer part that meets the diff seal.

[jimarea51]

Hi...

Here's a pair of yokomo ones that I machined for a friend to fit in his AE B6...

Jim :thumbsup:

[stuey]

They look good :-)
I sent Associated another message on FB yesterday about the outdrives asking for an update, no response....

[PaulRotheram]

They sent one back to me about a week ago - mid to end of November. So i would expect December over here.

[stuey]

Maybe Santa can tuck some in his Sleigh for me!!

[jim sykes]

Hi...

Here's a pair of yokomo ones that I machined for a friend to fit in his AE B6...

Jim :thumbsup:

Might get you to sort mine then jim if you dont mind,i'll bring em to chadderton
thanks

[bkelsall]

Hi all,

I have been developing and testing a hardened B6 out drive for the last 3 months. Numerous prototypes of different steels and hardening processes have been tested, run into the ground, etc.

Attached is a pic of the out drives, new. And one after approx 2 1/2 hours constant running (after cleaning).

I have some left out of the first batch after pre orders, these will be with me in about 2 weeks.

Please let me know if this is of interest to anyone.

Ben :-)

[bkelsall]

Oops. Forgot to put this on the original post...

Price will be £16.99 per pair, plus p+p.

Ben

[daz75]

No doubt they will be sold out in about 2 seconds when they do come into stock

[bkelsall]

I’ll keep everyone up to date with delivery schedules.

[bkelsall]

A little package dropped on my desk this afternoon. In it was the RC10B6 hard coated out drives.

After pre-orders I still have some left. Please let me know if you want some.

The price is £16.99, postage is £2.50 on a Royal Mail 1st class recorded.

PM me if interested. I'll try to get them out tomorrow, if not they will leave Thursday morning for Friday delivery.

Ben

[bkelsall]

Just an afterthought. It is strongly recommended that if there is significant wear on your drive pin, you either change the driveshaft or the pin.

This will ensure you are starting afresh and have the optimum power uptake, smooth delivery.:)

[david85williams]

Just noticed MB models have the gear diff outdrives back in stock. The part number is the same but I wonder if the material is harder?

[stuey]

I got a set from Ben (the poster above). I have not had chance to try them yet, but they fit fine and look nicely made.

[Ross]

Has the drive cup wear issue get sorted on the B6. I only ask as I'm wondering if it will continue onto the B6.1.

[RogerM]

I got a set from Ben (the poster above). I have not had chance to try them yet, but they fit fine and look nicely made.

Me too, Ben's outdrives have proven good for me :)

[revol]

I'm looking for a pair of outputs for a geared b6 diff to use with MIP roller puck driveshafts. Anyone know of a place with stock or failing that is it possible to get some made by Ben/bkelsall??

[Aire valley]

Have you tried MIP themselves direct...?

[revol]

Out of stock with MIP.
Hopefully have sourced some.