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derek5
11-03-2009, 05:13 PM
hi,
anyone find that the wing mounts are not balance?, i had tried 2 pairs, but have the same question, is it need to do some modification? thanks!
Hi! Hope this may be of help:
http://www.ymr.no/x6wingmount.htm
More here:
http://www.ymr.no/10orTips.htm
bigred5765
11-03-2009, 06:08 PM
there not all like that i have had one dodgy one,
super__dan
11-03-2009, 06:12 PM
If you have a problem like that, contact the shop you bought it from, they should not be like that.
Wacker 2
11-03-2009, 10:19 PM
the standard wing mounts on the X6 are pants, all the guys at my club (including myself) have had uneven ones that are just no good.
We all now use the Losi wing mounts as they bolt straight into the existing holes.
http://www.thehobbyhabit.com/images/tla4222.jpg
LOSA4222
Hope this helps!!!
thanks, Jon
bigred5765
11-03-2009, 10:23 PM
these do indeed fit but also make it practically impossible to use the x6 rear wing,and we have tried it the x6 wing makes a huge difference.
Wacker 2
11-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Although, I should also make you aware that I run a different rear wing as these losi ones will be no good for the X6 wing due to the big dip in the middle of it. I tend to run an Edit rear wing which is straight from left to right or a JConcept wing which has a slight dip in the centre but no where near as big.
Just thought I'd add that
Jon
Wacker 2
11-03-2009, 11:05 PM
these do indeed fit but also make it practically impossible to use the x6 rear wing,and we have tried it the x6 wing makes a huge difference.
Since I've had the car I've always run a flat rear wing as I didn't like the look of the original X6 one so I do not know the handling differences between the 2 types of rear wings... what are the differences??? what benefits do the original X6 wing give you???
Thanks, Jon!
bigred5765
11-03-2009, 11:24 PM
more rear grip, more stability at high speed, better through the air while jumping, just better all round really we did try the edit and losi wings
Darren Boyle
11-03-2009, 11:44 PM
Always make sure the wing mounts are "on" level, (ie, that they are as "square/straight" as possible) BEFORE finally tightening up the four mounting screws.
But the best "guide" by far for perfect wing mounting is SHY's one that he links too, as with the vast majority of his tips and guides on his website they are very well written and thought out.
nickhudson
12-03-2009, 12:01 AM
i'm sorry to say but every 'pair' of x-6 wing mounts i ever bought (4 in total) were absolute rubbish. they were different heights left to right, not at the same level, different looking material left to right - hopeless... and they broke too easily (bolts pulling out of the holes):thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown: and yes, i did fit them properly....
as Jon said - we all went to losi or HB D4 mounts and didn't have one problem.
seems to me that some thought and money should have been spent in this area on some well designed, decent quality tooling for the x-6 sq. or at least a redesign of the part itself to make it more consistent (i'd have prefered if they were done properly for the MK1 X-6 but there you go....:mad:)
shouldn't they just work without any mucking about ? (like most other wing mounts) or is it expected to have to fix these issues as part of the build ?
rant over....
Wacker 2
12-03-2009, 12:41 PM
i'm sorry to say but every 'pair' of x-6 wing mounts i ever bought (4 in total) were absolute rubbish. they were different heights left to right, not at the same level, different looking material left to right - hopeless... and they broke too easily (bolts pulling out of the holes):thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown: and yes, i did fit them properly....
as Jon said - we all went to losi or HB D4 mounts and didn't have one problem.
seems to me that some thought and money should have been spent in this area on some well designed, decent quality tooling for the x-6 sq. or at least a redesign of the part itself to make it more consistent (i'd have prefered if they were done properly for the MK1 X-6 but there you go....:mad:)
shouldn't they just work without any mucking about ? (like most other wing mounts) or is it expected to have to fix these issues as part of the build ?
rant over....
Certainly rant over, lol!!! Nick, could you PM your mobile number... I need to try and sort out an evening with you (hello sailor) to get some designs on the CAD system for my carbon fibre X6 chassis.
Either that or I'll be at the St.Johns club this evening!
Cheers chappy, Jon Seals!
Darren Boyle
12-03-2009, 03:19 PM
Not had "that" many problems with the wing mounts, it really is the "odd" one that has a problem (110 X6 Squared kits now sold in the UK and only 3 problems that we have been informed about so far).
As for breaking or pulliung the screws out, then maybe just use some slighlty longer ones, I have doen this to my own X6 and not broken one at all since.
The worst problem we DO have is when Chazz puts two from the same side in the pack or a kit!!!! :thumbdown::p
Body Paint
13-03-2009, 11:02 AM
I have stripped out a thread from one on my car so I ran a 2.3mm drill down the hole that the screw goes in and drilled all the way through. Then I just put a really long screw in and it's been spot on for months :thumbsup:
Mike Hudson
13-03-2009, 11:05 AM
all the wing mounts I have (had about 6 pairs) one particular side has always been slightly odd can't remember which one, i just think it's the way they've been manufactured as everyones x6 i've looked at, the same wing mount has always been slightly off, I just lived with it and carry on to use them and seem to have worked fine over the years i've used them
jono83
13-03-2009, 11:16 AM
never had a problem with mine
Hi! Hope this may be of help:
http://www.ymr.no/x6wingmount.htm
Doing this simple mod/fix would have taken you less time than writing these posts ;) Easy peasy!
nickhudson
13-03-2009, 01:12 PM
Doing this simple mod/fix would have taken you less time than writing these posts ;) Easy peasy!
hmmm - surely the point is that you shouldn't have to....and its quicker to fit D4 ones that are moulded correctly but what do i know ;)
Well... Firstly I'm surprised this is still (?) the case even for the X-6 squared, after hearing some people claiming it's the best quality parts you can get :p Or what Darren?
Can you still fit the original wing with the D4 mounts then? If so I agree with you.
I like the fact that the X-6 mounts are so wide, makes the wing very stable! :thumbsup:
(You don't need to modify the carbon tower, just file down on the mounts and add screws. That's all)
Still 1/2 meter snow on our track btw... :cry:
Darren Boyle
13-03-2009, 02:07 PM
Well... Firstly I'm surprised this is still (?) the case even for the X-6 squared, after hearing some people claiming it's the best quality parts you can get :p Or what Darren?
LOL I was waiting for that :thumbsup: I did say our "new" parts, the wing mounts are an old bit....
Can you still fit the original wing with the D4 mounts then? If so I agree with you.
I like the fact that the X-6 mounts are so wide, makes the wing very stable! :thumbsup:
Defo agree, that is the main benefit of them, they are pig ugly in shape I am first to admit, but nowhere near as bad as some people make them sound in fit
(You don't need to modify the carbon tower, just file down on the mounts and add screws. That's all)
Still 1/2 meter snow on our track btw... :cry:
Only 1/2 metre!!! Just a little sprinkling out there isnt it?? :p
As I have said already SHY's excellent little tip is the way to resolve any issue, it is how most of us ion the team mount the wing and it is very quick and simple to do
To be honest, no single car out on the market today is perfect in every way, same for ours, if the wing mount was our biggest and only problem I would be pretty satisfied with that myself, and lets be fair, the rest of it isnt too shabby.... ;)
Darren
Body Paint
13-03-2009, 02:15 PM
I used SHYs tip, spot on!
SHY, X-6 wing does not fit properly with D4 or Losi wing mounts.
I think the wing mounts are the only part left in it's original form from the first 3 gear X-6 kit now aren't they?
millzy
13-03-2009, 02:16 PM
nothing new with the x6 then with the wings lol
but like the MR DMS says its not a hard job and its better than some issues you could have.
my only thing withthe x6 is that ....its on a b4 base but runs losi shocks and rear drive shafts.... and thats what stops me runing one and mutaliating my b4 to make half an x6 and then try and find a set of losi shocks and drive shafts
oh and dont post that some of you run the ae stuff and it works.. if it works that that well then ellis would have it on his car.
Darren Boyle
13-03-2009, 02:34 PM
oh and dont post that some of you run the ae stuff and it works.. if it works that that well then ellis would have it on his car.
But Ellis would not want different shocks on his 4wd to his 2wd, this would mean two lots of everything (springs, pistons, rebuilds, shock shafts etc) and two lots of differing settings for the same tracks (ie nationals). There IS nothing wrong with AE shocks but like in most teams we all follow the guy who is quickest (to copy him and his "dream" setups) in this case it is Ellis indeed and he uses Losi shocks. We can only use one set, we chooose to go the Losi route...
If Craggy for instance was to fit a "certain" part to his B4 to aid performance, the rest of the team would follow for sure, then so would all the paying public too, its just the nature of us racers.
He could have chose the route to fit his X5 with AE shocks instead, same differance but with years of experience from his days at Losi he felt more comfortable with Losi ones I guess. We have the same thing with the USA team, many of them at the moment have chose to run Kyosho shocks (all because BK is using them), but several drivers both here and across the water do still run AE shocks and they work just as good as they do on every B4 that is out there on the tracks today.
As for the driveshafts, its only a set of axles we use, dont even use Losi ones anymore, we have our own X=Factory axles - XF5660, thats all no complete driveshafts or anything
millzy
13-03-2009, 02:39 PM
do the axels come in the kit??
Wraggy
13-03-2009, 02:44 PM
do the axels come in the kit??
no they dont Millzy ..
Millzy, just put Losi pistons in the AE shocks! ;)
Darren, sorry... just couldn't resist :lol:
Yeah, at least the polar bears have gone away for the winter now...
http://forum.radiostyrt.no/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=16736&d=1236685022
Have a great weekend guys!
millzy
13-03-2009, 02:47 PM
no they dont Millzy ..
nice
so i need
my b4
a x6 kit
losi shocks and springs or - losi pistons
e speed hangers( ive ran an old x6 with these and know they are a must)
x factory axels
any other add on's??
Darren Boyle
13-03-2009, 02:49 PM
No, nor do the AE driveshafts (they are from your donor B4) - soory just seen the other eplies, I went away from the PC to serve whilst typing yopur reply)
Axles are only required for tracks that need more droop(yes most UK ones, I know) these then provide it. For indoor or US smooth dirt tracks they are not as often used.
All option parts, E-Speed hangers, E-Speed T-piece, Long axles etc are all "optional" both in requirement and supply (hangers are used a LOT here as you have said, motor tpiece not as important, axles we have already covered).
The list you have is about spot on, there are other bits that poeple use but they really are not neccasary (carbon motor plate, titanium front axles, K-factory front tower etc) they are all just luxuries that all would apply to the B4 just the same
Take a pick...
http://www.ymr.no/10orTips.htm
But that goes for any car!
And you're a pimp as well Millzy, just admit it! :lol:
(considering your pink scheme I reckon you do actually work as one. How many callgirls you got?) :lol:
Bling it until it hurts! :thumbsup:
Darren Boyle
13-03-2009, 02:57 PM
Millzy, just put Losi pistons in the AE shocks! ;)
Good shout
Darren, sorry... just couldn't resist :lol:
I was expecting it way before you did...LOL
Yeah, at least the polar bears have gone away for the winter now...
:woot: Polar bears, sod that
millzy
13-03-2009, 02:58 PM
no call girls, they ran away when i took them to vegas
losi pistions in ae shocks, how dare you lol.... do you need to drill the pistons to 556 or what have you? and are they a direct fit in the first place?
at the price i can get a b4 for , im sticking put
but the x6 dose look likea good car and its come on a lot- and my old x6 shell in pink will fit and look lush
just a shame everything dosnt come in the box, maybe an ellis edition could come out and shut me up lol
any way back on topic
i dont think the the wing mounts are a huge deal,
be worse if the gear box didnt line up
Darren Boyle
13-03-2009, 03:06 PM
losi pistions in ae shocks, how dare you lol.... do you need to drill the pistons to 556 or what have you? and are they a direct fit in the first place?
No we tend to only run standard un-drilled pistons
but the x6 dose look likea good car and its come on a lot- and my old x6 shell in pink will fit and look lush
Still got it??
just a shame everything dosnt come in the box, maybe an ellis edition could come out and shut me up lol
Dont joke we seriuosly considered doing one at the end of last season when he won the nationals but knowing that the Squared was just around the corner put us off, there was no way we could release a"limited" edition and then just three or so months later a new car to replace it so we didnt, lets see how he gets on thsi seson.... Or maybe even a Tom or Phil edition ;)
millzy
13-03-2009, 03:44 PM
losi pistions in ae shocks, how dare you lol.... do you need to drill the pistons to 556 or what have you? and are they a direct fit in the first place?
No we tend to only run standard un-drilled pistons
but the x6 dose look likea good car and its come on a lot- and my old x6 shell in pink will fit and look lush
Still got it??
just a shame everything dosnt come in the box, maybe an ellis edition could come out and shut me up lol
Dont joke we seriuosly considered doing one at the end of last season when he won the nationals but knowing that the Squared was just around the corner put us off, there was no way we could release a"limited" edition and then just three or so months later a new car to replace it so we didnt, lets see how he gets on thsi seson.... Or maybe even a Tom or Phil edition ;)
yeah i still have my old x6 shell from my first x6- way back in the day lol
will the tom edition come with a wig? or fangs
lol
i can see why you didnt relise one, but a x2 sqaured Ellis edition would be cool
Cooper
14-03-2009, 10:51 AM
Doing this simple mod/fix would have taken you less time than writing these posts ;) Easy peasy!
eeeuh, no....
except if he writes VERY slow.
Was discussing your mod with some friends yesterday and we concluded it was to much work.
Just put some BIG lexan discs under (prefer THICK lexan) and the base for the wing will be much bigger.
The screw thing is good though, might do that very soon.
:lol: Keep on writing then...
Millzy, how about a used X-6 all hopped up? Lots of them for sale on here...
I can tell you this: The B4 is great to drive, but the X-6 is very different. Much more like a 4WD + tons of steering = super fun!!! And when you try the B4 again after getting used to the X-6... you simply shelf it or sell it ;)
All in all I think the best economical way of doing it is to sell a complete B4 and buy a complete used X-6.
Just my 5 cents
Jamie.T
15-03-2009, 03:59 PM
My left wing mount was also at an angle and didnt sit on the same level as the other side. I simply heated it up with a lighter untill it became slightly soft, bet it back and waited for it to cool. JOB DONE.............
Jamie.......
bigred5765
15-03-2009, 05:59 PM
nice tip, i like it
My left wing mount was also at an angle and didnt sit on the same level as the other side. I simply heated it up with a lighter untill it became slightly soft, bet it back and waited for it to cool. JOB DONE.............
Jamie.......
Great idea!!! Swap the lighter with a heat gun though, easier to control! :D
"Burning down the house"...
Ah, yes! I remember you Millzy from my early X-Factory days! So you HAD an X-6? Why did you sell it?
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