Mask wearing at race meetings

[dwp102]

Is this a brca rule or a Motorsports UK rule?

[DarkHawk]

It's both

[mark christopher]

its actually from government, who have passed it to the sports authorities in order for them to do what they can do.
so as we fall under the MSUK banner they pass it to us and we follow it.

[bert digler]

Does that apply to everyone my lad has prescribed heart condition and wearing a mask is not ideal

[daz75]

Does that apply to everyone my lad has prescribed heart condition and wearing a mask is not ideal

Going car racing isnt a necessity so I believe the rule is if you cant wear a mask dont go

[mark christopher]

Does that apply to everyone my lad has prescribed heart condition and wearing a mask is not ideal


hi
It applies to everyone with currently one exemption, 6 year old and under are exempt
Markc
Brca Membership Officer

(Daz75 has it spot on)

[dwp102]

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/watch-high-school-coach-fired-after-refusing-enforce-senseless-irrational-bullshit-outdoor

[daz75]

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/watch-high-school-coach-fired-after-refusing-enforce-senseless-irrational-bullshit-outdoor

Dont think we want our clubs to get fined 10k. Not exactly rolling in it are they

[dwp102]

Dont think we want our clubs to get fined 10k. Not exactly rolling in it are they

Who would be issuing the fine?

[daz75]

Who would be issuing the fine?

Let's not start having stupid debates about the ins and outs of covid. Wear a mask and enjoy the racing or dont go simple

[cmgreen]

Let's not start having stupid debates about the ins and outs of covid. Wear a mask and enjoy the racing or dont go simple

Agree, cant believe its even a discussion point..

[dwp102]

Agree, cant believe its even a discussion point..
Maybe an argument can be made wearing one inside. It seems a little bit unnecessary when we are outdoors though. But I'll leave it there.

[daz75]

Maybe an argument can be made wearing one inside. It seems a little bit unnecessary when we are outdoors though. But I'll leave it there.

Dont go car racing simple really. I doubt your local club wants people there who think like this. The club will be at risk if someone complains

[dwp102]

I'll say no more

https://twitter.com/denisrancourt/status/1380685776229400577?s=19

[daz75]

I'll say no more

https://twitter.com/denisrancourt/status/1380685776229400577?s=19

There is nothing stopping you going car racing just wear a mask. Stick to Twitter with you anti vax pals might be best

[mark christopher]

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/watch-high-school-coach-fired-after-refusing-enforce-senseless-irrational-bullshit-outdoor

when you post something relevant to the discussion ill make more effort to reply, but posting something that happened in the USA is not.


simple fact here, if you don't believe in wearing a mask to go racing, stay home and stay safe.....

ps for further debate from me you will need to sign off with your real name. or use www.brca.org/contact

[Big G]

I don’t understand why this is even a discussion. It’s really simple.

If you want to race you wear a mask all day. If you don’t/won’t then you can’t race.

Regardless of your expert medical theories on mask use during a global pandemic.

[daz75]

I don’t understand why this is even a discussion. It’s really simple.

If you want to race you wear a mask all day. If you don’t/won’t then you can’t race.

Regardless of your expert medical theories on mask use during a global pandemic.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[NeilRalph77]

I heard 2 drivers walked away from a meeting today as mask wearing wasn't enforced, ultimately the wrong ones lost out there.

[terry.sc]

I heard 2 drivers walked away from a meeting today as mask wearing wasn't enforced, ultimately the wrong ones lost out there.
As a club organiser myself, if anyone wasn't wearing a mask would tell them to leave and never come back.

Anyone not taking precautions, whatever they might think, shows a total lack of respect to your fellow racers, and no respect to the club's organisers.

[dwp102]

I heard 2 drivers walked away from a meeting today as mask wearing wasn't enforced, ultimately the wrong ones lost out there.
Well I would have thought that anyone who was so concerned about catching covid whilst being outdoors that their last line of defence was a facemask would probably have been better off not going in the first place

[daz75]

Well I would have thought that anyone who was so concerned about catching covid whilst being outdoors that their last line of defence was a facemask would probably have been better off not going in the first place

I think anyone who's too stupid to follow simple guidelines is why we are where we are

[dwp102]

I think anyone who's too stupid to follow simple guidelines is why we are where we are
I'm sure mass ignorance and blind obedience is an equally valid argument also.

[terry.sc]

Well I would have thought that anyone who was so concerned about catching covid whilst being outdoors that their last line of defence was a facemask would probably have been better off not going in the first place
Anyone who has no respect for the club organisers and fellow racers by not following a simple rule would be better off not going in the first place.

Do you think wearing a hi viz-vest will stop you getting injured while marshalling? No, but you still wear one just because the club asked you to.

Whatever your 'opinion' on covid transmission, people have caught it just while meeting up and talking outside. Unless every single racer or family group is staying in their own personal gazebo or tent with no mixing of people and only coming out to race, or everyone is pitting out in the open with no tents, then you are not fully 'outside'. Racing 1/8th you could be spending 20 minutes on the podium downwind of someone with covid. Any precaution that helps reduce the chance of you or any of your fellow racers from being seriously ill or dying is a good thing.
You have a much less chance of dying in a car accident, yet people don't complain about being 'forced; to wear a seatbelt.

The BRCA is asking you to wear a piece of cloth over your face, not an N95 mask, not a respirator, just a thin piece of cloth. It's not difficult.

[terry.sc]

I'm sure mass ignorance and blind obedience is an equally valid argument also.
Mass ignorance is why we've had to have a second major lockdown.

Judging by the idiots who are cramming into shops and 'outdoor' pubs today people haven't learnt how to stop transmission.

[NeilRalph77]

Well I would have thought that anyone who was so concerned about catching covid whilst being outdoors that their last line of defence was a facemask would probably have been better off not going in the first place

It's not just a mask though is it, if their too stupid not to wear one and their argument is they'd had the jab they were safe there's a good chance their not sanitising or isolating if they've had symptoms, they weren't wearing gloves to marshal either, only takes them to cover their mouth with their hand to cough and then pick your car up and theirs your transmission. The rules seem quite simple to me wear a mask race, don't wear a mask don't race.

[johnboy]

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[welshjames]

Without turning it into a debate or bashing people we are where we are.

The tricky thing is that the enforcement of masks can be seen as alienating some, but its not an intentional targeting of people its for the greater good for now until we can all get back to full normal.

This will be controversial but my personal concern with people have exemptions and don't need to wear a mask, they can still spread it. Appreciate a wafer thin mask wont save me, but the mask is to protect everyone from me (not vice versa).
Not looking to belittle people with exemptions I will be honest as I don't suffer I can only empathise with them.

I certainly am not a fan of wearing a mask all day at a race event (had to wear it last week on a hot day) but like the high viz and gloves whilst they offer nothing to my experience I see them as conditions of entry.

If i want to attend that race/track that is a condition of entry, simple as that. Its like having a BRCA membership it is a prerequisite for clubs to allow you to take part.

[Ashlandchris]

I recall a number of hot summers in steel mills having to wear hot metal suits when working in parts of the mill. Was it pleasant? Nope. Was it required? Yep. Did I wear it? If I wanted to be there...

[mark christopher]

I heard 2 drivers walked away from a meeting today as mask wearing wasn't enforced, ultimately the wrong ones lost out there.

any one who finds this it can be reported to the brca confidentially as they are putting our sport at risk.
[email protected]

[NeilRalph77]

any one who finds this it can be reported to the brca confidentially as they are putting our sport at risk.
[email protected]

I believe it has been

[bert digler]

hi
It applies to everyone with currently one exemption, 6 year old and under are exempt
Markc
Brca Membership Officer

(Daz75 has it spot on)

So you actively discourage people with a disability as an officer of the the brca I'm more than happy to produce a document from a consultant from Birmingham children's hospital for reasons why then will you post me a signed letter from the brca stating the above quote I was simply asking was it reasonable not starting an argument regarding people flaunting the current regulations remember your primary role and first rule is you must make the sport to accesable all sorry you clearly haven't it's since when has the sport been wheelchair friendly I've never seen a rostrum which is I know it's expensive but that's life

[bert digler]

I shall give the right honarable Nigel Huddleston office a ring tbh they make the rules I totally get the fear factor I'm the same but it seems Draconian as usual so what they tell me goes

[bert digler]

There is nothing stopping you going car racing just wear a mask. Stick to Twitter with you anti vax pals might be best

The law is eleven and under he's 9 so that's the end of thedebate

[Steve.T]

Can we just be happy that we can race?
I wear glasses so a mask is doubly difficult due to the steaming up issue (I had that problem last Sunday).

I also have Anxiety problems which aren't helped by wearing a mask for any length of time.
Yet, will I wear one to race?

100% yes!

I think that if you have a medical issue that prevents you wearing a mask then you should be allowed to race but if you don't want to wear one then you have but one option:

Don't race

[daz75]

The law is eleven and under he's 9 so that's the end of thedebate

Not sure why you quoted me. That response was to the anti vax bloke that I quoted

[bert digler]

I'm not here cause trouble I asked very simple question which was received with the usual wrath I'm not a anti vaxer I've had the jab ALLwas asking what was the position and tbh I've never heard such crap in all my life my lad is tested twice a. Week when was the last time any of was tested never is my guess so please get of your pederstool and shut up and grow up

[daz75]

I'm not here cause trouble I asked very simple question which was received with the usual wrath I'm not a anti vaxer I've had the jab ALLwas asking what was the position and tbh I've never heard such crap in all my life my lad is tested twice a. Week when was the last time any of was tested never is my guess so please get of your pederstool and shut up and grow up

You are clearly not reading this thread properly. Nothing was said to you about antivax. If someone quotes someone else they are replying to that person not you. Dwp102 is the one posting a antivax stuff. The reply to your question about people with heart conditions wearing masks was separate

[dwp102]

You are clearly not reading this thread properly. Nothing was said to you about antivax. If someone quotes someone else they are replying to that person not you. Dwp102 is the one posting a antivax stuff. The reply to your question about people with heart conditions wearing masks was separate
I don't recall mentioning anything about vaccinations. On the other hand we can go to a gym now and be in an enclosed area breathning heavily surrounded by 40 other people (according to my friend who has just been) and yet we are told that it is a health risk not wearing a face mask in an outdoor vented space with a sparse population. Do you not think that this is a bit farcical, karren?

[daz75]

I don't recall mentioning anything about vaccinations. On the other hand we can go to a gym now and be in an enclosed area breathning heavily surrounded by 40 other people (according to my friend who has just been) and yet we are told that it is a health risk not wearing a face mask in an outdoor vented space with a sparse population. Do you not think that this is a bit farcical, karren?

:yawn:

[cmgreen]

I don't recall mentioning anything about vaccinations. On the other hand we can go to a gym now and be in an enclosed area breathning heavily surrounded by 40 other people (according to my friend who has just been) and yet we are told that it is a health risk not wearing a face mask in an outdoor vented space with a sparse population. Do you not think that this is a bit farcical, karren?

Just wear a mask if you want to race, its not hard, its not rocket science, its actually quite simple.....

[maxxjod]

Having read this complete thread I think it's really quite simple, the BRCA has worked hard behind the scenes to get us racing again, we as racers have to follow BRCA rules and guidance when racing.
Currently to race we have to wear a mask at all times with exceptions set out by the BRCA, this does currently exclude some members of the racing community which is very unfortunate but this will hopefully change in time if everyone follows the rules.
If you want to race wear a mask.
If you don't want to wear a mask then don't race.
If you can't wear a mask then unfortunately you are currently unable to race.

[HarlowS]

Also remember that the BRCA are following the MSUK guidelines, so if you are not happy and wish to change the rules then head to the MSUK team to express disapproval.

[bert digler]

Also remember that the BRCA are following the MSUK guidelines, so if you are not happy and wish to change the rules then head to the MSUK team to express disapproval.

When does the law superseded the law look at it like this I can freely walk around a park in fresh air without a mask no problems yet I can't walk around in fresh at an RC event because some organisation not the law says work that out tbh your all brainwashed my wife is NHS frontline and tbh when I told here and the virologist she works with they pissed thereselve at what you doing that's the official view

[bert digler]

As a club organiser myself, if anyone wasn't wearing a mask would tell them to leave and never come back.

Anyone not taking precautions, whatever they might think, shows a total lack of respect to your fellow racers, and no respect to the club's organisers.

Terry I it's an indoor event 100percent back you but outside absolutely not I'm as much as anyone to stop this thing and that's what it is my and your friends have died because of it but it's a close contact airborne virus caught by close aerosol contact not by standing by some one in a field I get the rostrum thing even though the chance is a billion to one but ain't this lot a bit harsh and no you can't expell anyone for disobeying rules as UK law supersedes brca rules it's called the law of th land and trying to enforce that will get you in a whole heap of trouble legally

[daz75]

When does the law superseded the law look at it like this I can freely walk around a park in fresh air without a mask no problems yet I can't walk around in fresh at an RC event because some organisation not the law says work that out tbh your all brainwashed my wife is NHS frontline and tbh when I told here and the virologist she works with they pissed thereselve at what you doing that's the official view

My wife also works on the wards and anything we can do to lessen the chance is a good thing. Let's face it. The so called experts havent done very well. Maybe we should do what the eastern asian countries are doing. Masks are just the norm there. Why does it matter to you if you have to wear a mask? What exactly is brainwashed about wearing a mask is it such a big issue. Does it affect your human rights :lol:

[bert digler]

Absolutely yes it does common sense says no and it's pretty sad you've even quoted this when was the biggest suppression of the virus social distancing face masks made no difference it's absolute crap anyway when you get your head round it the virus attacks in waves via variants not mask and all that stuff like the flu have a read not the conspiracy theorists

[bert digler]

My wife also works on the wards and anything we can do to lessen the chance is a good thing. Let's face it. The so called experts havent done very well. Maybe we should do what the eastern asian countries are doing. Masks are just the norm there. Why does it matter to you if you have to wear a mask? What exactly is brainwashed about wearing a mask is it such a big issue. Does it affect your human rights :lol:

Just wear a mask if you want to race, its not hard, its not rocket science, its actually quite simple.....
At no point. Have I refused to wear a face mask personally I asked a simple question and all I got was abuse saying don't turn up tbh I wish he was a person of colour would you tell him to do one then

[bert digler]

At no point. Have I refused to wear a face mask personally I asked a simple question and all I got was abuse saying don't turn up tbh I wish he was a person of colour would you tell him to do one then

Cm green you clearly have a problem same as daz 75 and mark Christopher you don't accept kids with clearly defined medical issues it's ashame you've done this I feel sorry you actually think is this pathetic for all three of you just remember kids are the future you three morons are definitely the past

[Andrew Twigger]

No one here has a problem relating to children or anyone else with an exemption for that matter.

The rules the BRCA are instructed to follow are those set out by MSUK. It's beside the point whether you can walk in the street or go to the park without a mask - the rules the BRCA have to abide by come from above. That is to say: if the BRCA do not follow the rules, then the events cannot go ahead.

It's unfortunate that this means some individuals cannot race, but those are the rules. There isn't an argument to be had. The thread should be closed.

[bert digler]

I utterly agree you should close this thread as you have all been caught with pants down total discrimination regardless of you point of view

[tyreman]

Agreed this thread should have been closed a while ago, as it’s just becoming repetitive with people’s answers.

[bert digler]

No one here has a problem relating to children or anyone else with an exemption for that matter.

The rules the BRCA are instructed to follow are those set out by MSUK. It's beside the point whether you can walk in the street or go to the park without a mask - the rules the BRCA have to abide by come from above. That is to say: if the BRCA do not follow the rules, then the events cannot go ahead.

It's unfortunate that this means some individuals cannot race, but those are the rules. There isn't an argument to be had. The thread should be closed.

At what point do not understand the law is the law if I drive down the motorway at 200mph the brca says that's ok yea police officer says you've broke the law work it out the law is the law petty rules mean jack

[xfactor]

I reckon all this mask wearing is great. Especially my Mrs. When shes got one on, I cant see her face and I cant understand a word she says.... BLISS should of had them years ago.......:)

[daz75]

Cm green you clearly have a problem same as daz 75 and mark Christopher you don't accept kids with clearly defined medical issues it's ashame you've done this I feel sorry you actually think is this pathetic for all three of you just remember kids are the future you three morons are definitely the past

You asked a question about your son and the rules. All I stated was what the rules are for motor sport and it's either you wear them or dont come.
I can assure you. My son that I bring to racing has a lot more issues than 99% of the population. Wearing a mask is the least of his worries. I take both my sons racing despite the massive amount of work it takes. So DO NOT call me a moron for giving you the facts

[Ashlandchris]

At what point do not understand the law is the law if I drive down the motorway at 200mph the brca says that's ok yea police officer says you've broke the law work it out the law is the law petty rules mean jack

Think you missed the point. BRCA are not suggesting a lower standard than the law, they have decided on a higher standard. Whether you agree or not is beside the point. Their club, their rules
If BRCA were suggesting licking each other’s faces then absolutely law would apply as that is a lower standard.

[mark christopher]

The law is eleven and under he's 9 so that's the end of thedebate

afraid its not the end, Only 6 and under are exempt from mask wearing if some one wants to turn up to an organised motorsport event voluntary, those are the rules that member needs to abide to. The BRCA have not made these rules up, the MSUK have not made them up, they have been passed down from the relevant government departments and are the compromise we all have to make.



When does the law superseded the law look at it like this I can freely walk around a park in fresh air without a mask no problems yet I can't walk around in fresh at an RC event because some organisation not the law says work that out tbh your all brainwashed my wife is NHS frontline and tbh when I told here and the virologist she works with they pissed thereselve at what you doing that's the official view

Cm green you clearly have a problem same as daz 75 and mark Christopher you don't accept kids with clearly defined medical issues it's ashame you've done this I feel sorry you actually think is this pathetic for all three of you just remember kids are the future you three morons are definitely the past


why am i moron for answering your question? its you who does not like the answer, i just answered it factually. had your example been an adult, same would have applied....

please send a request in to brca.org/contact and i will pass on the relevant person who can fill you in fully, this has been challenged by people far more informed and clever than you.

look forward to your official contact Rob Harris

[bert digler]

No one here has a problem relating to children or anyone else with an exemption for that matter.

The rules the BRCA are instructed to follow are those set out by MSUK. It's beside the point whether you can walk in the street or go to the park without a mask - the rules the BRCA have to abide by come from above. That is to say: if the BRCA do not follow the rules, then the events cannot go ahead.

It's unfortunate that this means some individuals cannot race, but those are the rules. There isn't an argument to be had. The thread should be closed.

afraid its not the end, Only 6 and under are exempt from mask wearing if some one wants to turn up to an organised motorsport event voluntary, those are the rules that member needs to abide to. The BRCA have not made these rules up, the MSUK have not made them up, they have been passed down from the relevant government departments and are the compromise we all have to make.








why am i moron for answering your question? its you who does not like the answer, i just answered it factually. had your example been an adult, same would have applied....

please send a request in to brca.org/contact and i will pass on the relevant person who can fill you in fully, this has been challenged by people far more informed and clever than you.

look forward to your official contact Rob Harris

I asked an incredibly simply question regarding a kid with health problems and faced a barrage of abuse from you and your croneys basically telling my kid to f,,k off what would your reaction be get real and yes I will be contacting the minister of sport regarding your rules which change may the 12th anyway it's pathetic not one of you guys didn't just pm me and say look mate this ain't good for the kid instead of going full bore and for the record this all logged and discrimination ain't good for any sport

[bert digler]

I asked an incredibly simply question regarding a kid with health problems and faced a barrage of abuse from you and your croneys basically telling my kid to f,,k off what would your reaction be get real and yes I will be contacting the minister of sport regarding your rules which change may the 12th anyway it's pathetic not one of you guys didn't just pm me and say look mate this ain't good for the kid instead of going full bore and for the record this all logged and discrimination ain't good for any sport

Contacted all three bodies regarding this brca Motorsport UK ministry of of sport all quoting well screen shots of your replys also will be in contact personally with your chairman this week

[bert digler]

Think you missed the point. BRCA are not suggesting a lower standard than the law, they have decided on a higher standard. Whether you agree or not is beside the point. Their club, their rules
If BRCA were suggesting licking each other’s faces then absolutely law would apply as that is a lower standard.

The law is the law not your law it's called royal accent if a copper turns up does he ask to read your rulebook
Or does he enforce the law of the common land

[bert digler]

Think you missed the point. BRCA are not suggesting a lower standard than the law, they have decided on a higher standard. Whether you agree or not is beside the point. Their club, their rules
If BRCA were suggesting licking each other’s faces then absolutely law would apply as that is a lower standard.

afraid its not the end, Only 6 and under are exempt from mask wearing if some one wants to turn up to an organised motorsport event voluntary, those are the rules that member needs to abide to. The BRCA have not made these rules up, the MSUK have not made them up, they have been passed down from the relevant government departments and are the compromise we all have to make.








why am i moron for answering your question? its you who does not like the answer, i just answered it factually. had your example been an adult, same would have applied....

please send a request in to brca.org/contact and i will pass on the relevant person who can fill you in fully, this has been challenged by people far more informed and clever than you.

look forward to your official contact Rob Harris

Official contact been made regarding this issue I expect a full apology from yourself

[bert digler]

Official contact been made regarding this issue I expect a full apology from yourself

Also don't talk down me like that your the smartarse who thinks you know everything you really are poorly informed and talking to you in the past very very arrogant just because your an officer of the club and o choose my words very carefully doesn't mean you can be unaccountable trust me your on increadably rocky ground

[daz75]

Apologise for answering a question you asked with facts :lol:

Did you forget to answer my comment or did you shit yourself too much when you realised you were talking bollocks? Wheres my apology due calling me a moron for answering your question with a fact?

[neallewis]

Official contact been made regarding this issue I expect a full apology from yourself

Just read this thread.
Bringing a child with health problems to a race meeting in a pandemic is not the smartest idea. Especially when claiming mask exemption for said child. Frankly, if you don't want to wear a mask or a person for any reason can't wear a mask, they should not be at the meeting, full stop.
No one wants to wear a mask, but if you want to attend an RC race meeting then you have to, until the BRCA say otherwise. That's fair and all must comply, or just don't attempt to go.

Hopefully the BRCA will read this thread when investigating the complaint, and revoke digler's licence. Or at least give a warning, and make clubs aware.
He would not be welcome to ANY meeting I was running with that attitude towards others, that's for sure.

[Ashlandchris]

The law is the law not your law it's called royal accent if a copper turns up does he ask to read your rulebook
Or does he enforce the law of the common land

I think you might find it is royal assent, the accent is quite different.
And I presume you are deliberately missing the point now? The police enforce the law and if a club was suggesting rules that are a LOWER standard than the law then they will intervene. But if a club decides to have a rule that is a HIGHER standard than the law you then have a choice whether you want to be in that club or not.
Imagine a club that insisted on red trousers being worn. There is no law suggesting this is a legal requirement, but if you turn up in green trousers the club officials say “sorry, this is the red trouser club please wear red trousers or leave”. Involving the police won’t help. The other people at the club probably also don’t like red trousers, but realise that if they want to be in the club then follows the club’s rules.
Neal sums it up very well

[welshjames]

I think regarding the law of the land whilst the law states masks do not need to be worn at certain distances outdoors it doesnt matter to an RC event.

An RC event is a private event held by clubs thus they can mandate masks as condition of entry, thus the UK law will not overturn this as it is a privately run event, its the same as asking for BRCA membership club can ask for it.

It's comparable to when I worked on night club doors, we had no trainers policy and no under 18s policy. The law could mandate the age restriction but nothing to do with the trainers its a condition of entry.
We then upped the entry age to 21 from 18 to try and kerb some trouble makers, again the law was more relaxed than our rules but it was a private venue and up to management.

I am not sure shouting and bawling at ministers or the BRCA will solve it, I cannot see the law interjecting to change any minds (aside from MSUK mandating these rules anyway).

It sucks that you cant bring the kid racing without a mask as everyone should be able to race, but blanketing everyone as brainwashed is not true, none of us like this aggro and hassle but its where we are for now.
Afraid its for the greater good at the moment and I dont think the BRCA are victimising or turning anyone away they are following rules passed down from their governing body to allow events to happen.

[bert digler]

I think regarding the law of the land whilst the law states masks do not need to be worn at certain distances outdoors it doesnt matter to an RC event.

An RC event is a private event held by clubs thus they can mandate masks as condition of entry, thus the UK law will not overturn this as it is a privately run event, its the same as asking for BRCA membership club can ask for it.

It's comparable to when I worked on night club doors, we had no trainers policy and no under 18s policy. The law could mandate the age restriction but nothing to do with the trainers its a condition of entry.
We then upped the entry age to 21 from 18 to try and kerb some trouble makers, again the law was more relaxed than our rules but it was a private venue and up to management.

I am not sure shouting and bawling at ministers or the BRCA will solve it, I cannot see the law interjecting to change any minds (aside from MSUK mandating these rules anyway).

It sucks that you cant bring the kid racing without a mask as everyone should be able to race, but blanketing everyone as brainwashed is not true, none of us like this aggro and hassle but its where we are for now.
Afraid its for the greater good at the moment and I dont think the BRCA are victimising or turning anyone away they are following rules passed down from their governing body to allow events to happen.

At the advice of the brca I realize they have there hands tied behind there backs and I retract and apologize to all members concerned it was I silly argument which got out totally out of hand

[teamorsum96]

Pissing in the wind

[mark christopher]

All the answers are in the thread, and what we all have to do on the brca website.