Kyosho Ultima RB5 - full details

[BenG]

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During the Nurnberg toy fair a few weeks back we showed you some pictures of Kyoshos all new 2wd competition buggy, the Ultima RB5 (http://www.redrc.net/2007/02/kyosho-ultima-rb5-2wd-buggy/). We didnt have any more information on the car other than what we could see and the little bits that we had read, so now that Kyosho have released the complete details of this completely new car we have decided to post all the information right here for you reading and viewing pleasure.

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The new Ultima RB5 only shares rear hubs with the Lazer ZX-5 and a few common hardware items, but the essential and distinguishing components of the car, such as the chassis, transmission, bulkheads, shock towers, suspension and the sleek aerodynamic body, are all new. Each aspect of the car is specially designed and tested to produce maximum performance. Likewise, the materials chosen for this new Ultima are exhaustively tested - all with the goal to create the ultimate no-nonsense competition car that’s ready to take on the world.
Chassis
The chassis plate is light and strong, featuring a specially formulated carbon fiber composite for the best balance of performance and durability. Strategic braces molded into the chassis enhance the stiffness without adding any unnecessary weight. Separate front and rear “clips” allow fast and easy removal of the front or rear end of the car, which makes maintenance and repair much easier. Designed to accept stick packs and racing-style 6-cell matched packs, the RB5 chassis features an adjustable battery mounting position that allows you to shift weight bias to suit track conditions and your driving style.




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Transmission
The new transmission features a smaller, more compact housing that keeps the motor as low and close to the transmission as possible, which reduces CG and improves bump handing. The three-gear transmission features an internal ball differential that uses standard 3/32-inch diff balls and 1/16-inch thrust balls. The differential is also externally adjustable, and a dust cover fits over the adjustment holes so the thrust bearing lasts much longer. An injection molded gear cover is included, which better fits the motor plate to minimize dust and debris for longer gear life.
Rear Suspension
The rear suspension arms are symmetrical so a single replacement arm can be used on either side of the car, saving money and space inside your pit box because you don’t need to carry as many replacement parts. The inside of the arms are attached to the chassis using separate suspension mounts, which will allows anti-squat adjustment. The rear wheel hubs feature three lower hinge-pin holes, which allow modification of the ride height with minimal disturbance of the suspension geometry. Vertical ball studs for the both the inner and out rod ends of the upper link mean the rear suspension geometry can be fine-tuned with shims.



Front Suspension
Longer, straighter and symmetrical suspension arms connect to a narrow front bulkhead. The bumper/skid plate, suspension block, nose plate and front bulkhead all come together to form a very rigid assembly, to which the front suspension arms mount. The standard position of the suspension mount produces 25 degrees of hinge pin angle in the front suspension arms, but simply flipping the suspension mount increases the hinge pin angle to 30 degrees. The added flexibility of having adjustable hinge pin angles means you have more options when it comes to setting up your car. Like the rear arms, a single replacement arm can be used on either side of the car.
Offset steering hubs make high-speed handling a dream, while floating axles ride in bearings that are mounted in the hub instead of the wheel This moves the weight of the bearings inboard for more responsive suspension, the bearings are under less stress, and they’re better shielded from the elements. This means the front wheel bearings last longer and run smoother. The front track width is also easily adjusted, which means the amount of steering response is easily increased or decreased for track conditions and driver preference.
Steering Assembly
Ball bearings provide smooth movement of the steering bellcranks, which are mounted on the chassis at the same angle as the suspension arms. This eliminates bump steer and produces more accurate Ackerman geometry throughout the entire range of steering motion. The steering plate (center link) features horizontally mounted ball studs, which mean Ackerman can be fine tuned using shims behind the ball studs, offering a nearing infinite range of adjustment.



Captured Hinge Pins
A simple button head screw captures all the outer hinge pins of the Ultima RB5. The rear inner hinge pins are truly captured between the suspension mounts, and the notched inner front pins are secured with a setscrew through the front suspension mount. This means that the hinge pins are much more secure and less likely to come loose.
Low-Profile Shock Towers
The front shock tower is mounted as far back on the chassis as possibly, as are the shocks, to keep the mass as low as possible. Likewise, the rear shock tower is also designed to keep a low profile, yet allow enough suspension travel to ensure the best possible handling. The shock towers are molded from an exhaustively tested composite, which is much more costly to produce than shock towers made from woven graphite, but will also provide greater durability.



Threaded Aluminum “Triple” Shocks
Kyosho is well known for silky smooth shocks and the new “Triple” shocks included with the Ultima RB5 are no exception. The shock body consists of three major components - a top cap, threaded body, and a lower cap. The aluminum shock bodies feature a threaded spring pre-load collar for quick and easy adjustment. The threaded adjuster features an O-ring that prevents the preload settings from moving, which ensures consistent performance from start to finish. The lower shock cap allows quick and easy maintenance of the double O-ring seals.
Low-Profile Body
No less than ten versions of the new body for the RB5 were thoroughly tested to maximize performance and to ensure that you have the best-looking car on the track. The entire R&D team as well as the factory drivers were involved in the development, and the finished product is the best-performing body ever used on a 2WD buggy according to the team.
Specifications:
Category: 1:10 competition 2WD electric buggy
Wheelbase: 10.63 in. (270mm)
Track width: 9.84 in. (250mm)
Weight: 57.2 oz. (1620g)
Chassis: Molded carbon composite
Transmission: Compact 3-gear
Differential: Externally adjustable ball-type
Transmission ratio: 2.6:1
Slipper: Double-disc, spring-loaded
Bearings: Teflon-sealed (transmission); metal shielded
Suspension: Lower H-arm w/steel turnbuckles
Shocks: 3-piece threaded aluminum, oil-damped
Driveshafts: Steel CV-type
Gears: 48-pitch






Ning Nang noo

[joffacn]

Well ... just when I was ready to buy a ZX5 along comes this beauty.

Is there any opinion that Kyosho will release a new model ZX5 similar to the KM kit that may share a few more parts with the RB5?

Maybe I should start with an RB5 and wait to see what happens with the ZX5?

Great to see an alternative to AE and Losi.

Jeff

[woOdy]

Does anyone know any news on the Team for this year as the closing date for the Nats is days away and I am still waiting news?

[jimmy]

Get booked in stu

[woOdy]

Get booked in stu

yes BOSS!!!!! Sorry BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!! Polish your car BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jim76]

Does anyone know any news on the Team for this year as the closing date for the Nats is days away and I am still waiting news?

Go round there with a big stick and tell them you want an answer!! Do they not want a good driver on their team?!!:wtf:

[KyoshoK]

any news on when it will be available?

[super__dan]

I have to admit, from those pics and a well written press release the car all of a sudden seems much better to me, in fact it looks a nice car. I like that feature of being able to turn round the front bulkhead to change wishbone rake!

Hope you get sorted Woody!

[losidan]

i am sorry chaps but this car just looks cheap and nasty to me. I'm sure it isnt but it's just the impression i get.


Anyway I'm sure jimbo will be reviewing one soon since he is the god of 1:10 off road reviewage and photography.

[shinytopman]

i am sorry chaps but this car just looks cheap and nasty to me. I'm sure it isnt but it's just the impression i get.




Philostine !!!!


:p :) :p

[losidan]

sorry dude...maybe in the flesh i'll like it more

[modelimages]

any news on when it will be available?
1st week in april, around £185-200 ish, as far as i am aware they are not having any team as such, managed to get a shop demonstrator cheap so my shop test driver can try and break it.
john

[DCM]

Thats absoloutely bonkers that, they spend all that money, making a car, then allow distributors to NOT set a team up!!!

[shinytopman]

Pluckin Dell rings to mind he sits rollin his eyes !!!!

:confused:

Thats the craviest thing ive heard this year.

[jim76]

$%*&^£% hell!
I hope Woody still decides to run one and show everyone what it is capable of. Maybe then Kyosho will sit up and take notice if he gets good results.

[JCJC]

1st week in april, around £185-200 ish, as far as i am aware they are not having any team as such, managed to get a shop demonstrator cheap so my shop test driver can try and break it.
john


Shop test driver...............wonder who that might be.........:rolleyes:

[Nick Goodall]

It's a shame if that is true, because the car just won't get the coverage it needs - i think it's got a lot of potential looking at it, i genuinely can't see any reason it won't be as capable as the XXX or maybe B4.

[jim76]

Go on then Nick, buy one and show us!!! :D

[modelimages]

team drivers can be a pain, after all you give them a car for the season expecting them to run it and half way through the season they start running something else at meetings, all the drivers know your a driver for losi/ae/etc and your running something else what does that say about the car?.

as for the shop demonstrator, i have a choice of several drivers lee martin,tony truman, kevin lee all f1 and national A finalists, but to give a car a true test it needs to be in the hands of a specialist. clearly there is only one boy for the job:).

[jim76]

you should give it a whirl John! Test it's durability!

Can you bring it to the next CML or regional meeting? i'd like a closer look as it's quite appealing to go with the zx5!

[modelimages]

it should be at the first regional on the 8th assuming it arrives in time, for me to drive it wouldn't be a good test, i couldn't get round the first corner

[Sabben]

I think it looks nice, seem very... erh..."racy"?:D :p

Are there any plans of making a carbon konversion for this? Maybe KM will make a kit like the conversion kit for the Lazer...?

[woOdy]

team drivers can be a pain, after all you give them a car for the season expecting them to run it and half way through the season they start running something else at meetings, all the drivers know your a driver for losi/ae/etc and your running something else what does that say about the car?.

as for the shop demonstrator, i have a choice of several drivers lee martin,tony truman, kevin lee all f1 and national A finalists, but to give a car a true test it needs to be in the hands of a specialist. clearly there is only one boy for the job:).

I have seen drivers do this but it does depend on the driver. If you get the right driver for the job in hand then they will respect the product. A very good example are the X Factory boys over here( Chris and Dan). They have started with it and they have progressed and now they are part of a very good family. It does depend on the driver!

[woOdy]

I have confimation today that there will be team but they are very busy right now so it will be decided very soon. Please dont listen to any other coments about this as they are untrue.;)

[DCM]

man, I hope they pluck you up woody!!!

[shinytopman]

man, I hope they pluck you up woody!!!


Ditto!!!

[KyoshoK]

oooo anly a few more weeks to go. if its as durable as the zx-5, with just a few minor hop-ups, then i'll be happy.

mark pavidis is running it this weekend at cactus race.

[woOdy]

Just to say thanks for all you kind words but I am afraid I cant wait any longer as the season starts in a few weeks and i need to practice with a new car/cars.

[jimmy]

I am looking forward to review this car on release - and have some big plans in place for the car already to help establish it as a serious competitor.

[bert digler]

I am looking forward to review this car on release - and have some big plans in place for the car already to help establish it as a serious competitor.

is it right that its 330 dollars 30 more than a lazer:D

[shinytopman]

Good on ya Jimmy, theres been two dominant names in 2wd for far two long now it's about time the mould was broken or at very least cracked/challenged.

Woody, know where your coming from! All the best, im sure your do well!

It's a shame these people drag there heels, could be a bad start for a good car. You'd have thought that they would have learnt that lesson from the ZX5 a great car. Popular car but let down by support, support that could have made it much more popular and even a winner.

[jim76]

Just to say thanks for all you kind words but I am afraid I cant wait any longer as the season starts in a few weeks and i need to practice with a new car/cars.

will you run a ZX5 in 4wd though?
ah, just read the Oople 501x thread. guess not! :-(

[JonBoy]

Hi guys,

I'm back and will try to do my best to stay tune on Ooople as i like this forum...

But I went trough all this thread and read it all.... Unfortunately, i won't be able to answer each person and all questions.... But all i want now it's to stop all the crap and untrue stories going around....

1 - The Ultima RB5 should reach shops between the 3rd April and the week after....

2 - Woody is a nice guy that I'd like to meet for his professional personality and a great driver that unfortunately won't have the chance to join Kyosho this season...

3 - Kyosho UK won't set up any EP Team this year and for many reasons... And i want to thanks all the drivers who applied and took the time to support us during the last few months... But i can assure many of you that i will work hard to get a Team up and ready for 2008.... Just cross fingers that Kyosho UK gets even bigger this year...

4 - A few guys will find it hard knowing that i have been around here and was the most exited about having a team and more.... But many have to know, we are taking a year away to think and come back stronger (no rush, no worry) because we are really disappointed with the EP field that has been a real lost or disaster in 2005-2006 when we saw many drivers / shops that we helped and gone for an another brand/car in the middle of the season. Or even worst, not having any feedback from no one as part 2 guys (They know who they are) and will ever thanks them for supporting Kyosho in 2006....

I hope that i have clarified a few things, feel free to ask me anything as i will be happy to help you out.... and all the best for 2007 to all racers...

Thanks, John

[DCM]

I think, with a new car in 2wd coming out, and a UK spec ZX-5, to not actively promote at least one driver (woody maybe) would be, to the racing fraternity, suicide by Kyosho UK, so many people would realy look seriously at the 2wd, to try something new, and if you have a team driver capable of bringing the car along, so new owners got a good UK base setting would just help add to sales.

But that is my personal opinion after seeing the total disaster that has been Academy in the UK.

[jim76]

I agree with DCM. the lazer is a hugely popular club car due to it being half the price of an X10, BJ4 WE, Yoke etc.
Nathan Ralls helped people no end last year with set up advice and build tips to improve the reliability of the car. I would not have qualified 4th behind him at tiverton F3's if it wasn't for his continued help over the weekend and i will sorely miss him this year.
And with a new 2wd coming out, club racers are going to want a decent starting set up from a recognised driver, along with any build tips. Otherwise they will by the car for curiosity, run it, think it handles poorly or breaks down, then sell it cheap, as happened in the early days of the ZX5 here.

A big missed opportunity for Kyosho, and i think they will struggle to get a foothold a year down the line.

[woOdy]

Sorry guys:( I will try Next year.

[jimmy]

It's a shame, but I will review the Ultima soon and hopefully help provide a decent resource for RB5 owners - possibly a long-term test also, wait and see.

[shinytopman]

Hi guys,

Just cross fingers that Kyosho UK gets even bigger this year...




Hi Jon,

Your statement here says it all.

I cant help but also to agree with DCM and jim76.

Personally if it was me launching a new product into a very competative market i would want it to go in with some impact to make it stand out and get noticed, not just hopefully kicking around the back of the pit area hoping somebody will notice it, or even pick it out in a race when its surrounded by B4's which are more easily recognised to most.

As DCM said if it had a named drive at the helm to give it a foot hold, and make it show its potential by challenging the B4's and XXX's.
A good solid review from the likes of jimmy ( who's review of the ZX5 made my mind up really that it was the 4wd for me!) then sales will increase as people would look to the change there cars. There would be a new contender to the run of the mill 2wd's.
But on the other hand if there not shown competitvely in the field then im sorry to say i dont hold much hope for sucsess for the RB, i wish it well mind, i really do would be grand to see it running well up there!

I guess what im saying is it would be a shame to see it just become "a good club car" like the zx5. By never really coming too fruit, through lack of knowledge and support in its maiden year.

As somebody looking at getting into 2wd, im gonna be looking with interest at what cars are doing well to influence my decision in what to buy.
People are going to spend there hard earned readies on what they can see, or read what is winning the races, as we all aspire to be the next race winner!

And im sure if you were in our shoes you would do the same thing.


Just the ramblings of a die hard RC fan

[DCM]

Maybe the fact of the matter was that in the first year, there was maybe a poor 'choice' of driver or shop support, or no more intrinsic tie-in to driver and distributor.

I remember Stu Wood of old, and he was Mr Traxxas, he showed loyalty and realy pulled the car out of the weeds and into the limelight. I think the current market are looking for something new to run, but don't want to be the 'odd one' working on their own.

The correct choice of driver is so important. It is fine to offer discounted 'team' drives through shops, but you don't have much feedback or responsibility, but to support a driver direct, there is a much greater bond.

[shinytopman]

Wait guy's got a great idea !

Jonboy why not help jimmy out with a bit of help and support with a long-term RB review.

Woody could race it on a long-term test (and give it a solid base in the uk) enabling jimmy to give it followup reviews.

All under the guise of Team Oople, and everybodies a winner !

Woody gets a good challenge to bring on the car!

Jimmy gets a chance to do what he's great at "writing brilliant reviews"!

And Jonboy you and kyosho get the best of both worlds!
Great reviews,
Top class driver,
And this all adds up good support and hopefully results for the RB.

And all this to the advantage of us racers to!

Just a thought ( Great one in my opinion ;) )

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Now see if u guys can pull it off !

[shinytopman]

I presume by the un-earthly silience it not such a great idea.....Doh!!!

As i said was just a thought.

[jim76]

I presume by the un-earthly silience it not such a great idea.....Doh!!!

As i said was just a thought.

it would be a great idea if the RB5 was already available, but i'm not sure it will be here for the first national and Woody would need time to test it and form set ups as he said previously.
we'll just have to wait for next year:(

[jimmy]

Either way I'm sure I'll be doing something similar to what you mentioned - oOple and possibly oople-supporting-shop backed rather than any direct involvement with Kyosho. We'll see.

[shinytopman]

Either way I'm sure I'll be doing something similar to what you mentioned - oOple and possibly oople-supporting-shop backed rather than any direct involvement with Kyosho. We'll see.



;) Well Done That Man !

[telboy]

have they had any decent results with this car yet?

[jimmy]

B final at the worlds last time - but that was 2005 and the car has changed a lot since then.

[telboy]

so it hasn't done a great deal in prototype form then?

[bender]

so it hasn't done a great deal in prototype form then?

Hmmm... top 20 at the worlds with only 2 works drivers running the car (who spend most of their time running 1/8th gas).... what more do you expect :wtf:

[Col]

Hmmm... top 20 at the worlds with only 2 works drivers running the car (who spend most of their time running 1/8th gas).... what more do you expect :wtf:

From a manufacturer with the size and the credentials of Kyosho, I expect dedication to the market they are trying to break back into. With only 2 works drivers who are not dedicated to 1/10th off road, how can the car be anywhere near as good a starting point as the B4 or XXXCR? This seems to be the major hurdle that Kyosho are facing at the moment. As mentioned, the ZX5 is a good car, but it could have been great.

[KyoshoK]

kyosho does ALOT of private testing in Japan... though yes i would like kyosho to sponser more top line drivers.

[telboy]

who tests/drives for them in japan?

[jimmy]

Anyone got one yet then? Seems it came out a couple of days ago

http://www.yaggy.jp/modules/wordpress/attach/hako.JPG

[dallasv8]

ive got to palm off a few of my older tamiyas before i can grab one.i really do like the look of them.
i should have by by the second half of the racing season.i currently put my B4 aside to concentrate on mod truck (RC10T2) and racing the TNX 5.2R.
next half of the season i want to get back to 2wd mod for some fun.
looking forward to the Oople review.

[pro4nut]

So much for pre - ordering one:(

Was hoping to get it before stotfold regional on sunday, no sign as yet

[jimmy]

I think people started getting them saturday from what I understand. But not sure about this country. I have heard about people getting them in japan, usa, sweden!.

[TommyBergfeldt]

Just got it together and painted the body.

[jimmy]

Nice one! I have been reading the manual, looks great and I can't wait to get it

any idea if losi 2wd front wheels fit the car?

[joffacn]

Jimmy

Can you post a link to the manual.

Is there a Cyclone D4 manual on line yet?

Jeff

[jasonrcb]

i have just bought 1 should be with me this time next week, just in time for the regional on the 22nd

[jimmy]

Not seen a D4 manual yet, but here's the RB5 one

http://www.oople.com/downloads/rb5-manual.pdf (http://www.oople.com/forums/../downloads/rb5-manual.pdf)

[Lee Martin]

adatchi or watever, is there test driver...good driver.

[millzy]

that front bulkhead looks like it will fit the b4, and has option kick up.

[OldTimer]

It looks like for sure i could do the front tower in nice 4mm carbon fibre and maybe the rear if everything can attach to flat carbon fibre, anybody got any spare kit shock towers :D

[TommyBergfeldt]

Nice one! I have been reading the manual, looks great and I can't wait to get it

any idea if losi 2wd front wheels fit the car?

I've never had any Losi wheels/cars so i cant say anything about fitment..
The hexes are 12mm touring car style both front and rear, very "thin" hexes.

[DaveG28]

Hi All,

2wd is something I am looking to get into, and as someone who is a tamiya diehard, with there not being a tamiya 2wd but also with me not liking running the same as everyone else, I am very keen to run the RB5.

My only concern is how easy is it likely to be to get parts, I like to have spare diffs/gearboxes prebuilt, and also spare arms/uprights etc at all times. Am I ikely to be able to get the relevant parts anywhere?

Also, on the set up side, in a similar vein to an earlier point on this thread, is it worth us having somewhere to bring together setup ideas/findings that we have?

Thanks,

Dave

P.S. Love the reviews on this site!

[telboy]

Thats a good point realy. Is there going to be a shop that will be specialising in the parts for it? wheels, wishbone etc. cos we'll all need loads of wheels. So if any of you shop owners are going to stock a good spares package let us all know.
:)

[jimmy]

I believe 'The Race Place' will be selling the car and stocking the bits.

http://theraceplace.co.uk/

[telboy]

cool.
It could be worth any shop that is stocking the parts for it PM'ing me. I'll explain when they get in touch.;)

[JonBoy]

Hi guys,

For those who can't wait, here is the link of the RB5 manual.
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/support/instructionmanual/buggy/pdf/30074_ultima_rb5_m.pdf

Thanks,

John

[telboy]

what wheels will be usable on the rb5? any ideas?

[sosidge]

The RB5 will use Lazer rear wheels and there is a new width wheel for the front. But you can probably use Lazer wheels there too to run 4WD front tyres.

[bender]

Well I bit the bullet and just ordered one from RC Champ. I couldn't resist at their price - it worked out about AU$50 cheaper than what I could get a B4 for overseas and about AU$200 cheaper than B4 at local prices :o

With regards to what wheels will fit - I heard that there will be an optional axle to run B4/Losi style rims on the back.

Not sure about the front though - even if you could put a Losi-sized hex on the front (the one on the front of the 501X would do) you would still have to drill out the centre of the Losi XXX rims to fit over the 4mm axle.

[modelimages]

Well the kits should arrive tuesday or wednesday, i ordered front wheels as i knew they were specific to the rb5, the rest of the spares i will order once i know which parts are common to the zx5 and which are specific to the rb5, as with all 1/10 off road cars i will be carrying the full range and will have them available at all nationals and mid south regionals. if it arrives on time and is built in time you may see one at tiverton, if it breaks i will have to break into a new kit for spares.

[woOdy]

Hope it does come in time. Would love to see one in the flesh and see how it goes round the track. I think I have a soft spot for this car and please dont hesitate on coming over and asking any questions.:D

[jimmy]

John from Kyosho France showed me the car today at the proline race, well, the kit should I say. Looks pretty good to me. If I didn't know the front wheels were for the Ultima then I'd assume they were for a Losi 2wd - I don't know if they're compatible at all but they do look similar.

[DaveG28]

Think I will definitely bite the bullet and get one now, all looks good with it, the spares are the only thing I am concerned about!!

May well be ringing the race place in the near future.....

On that front, will you guys be able to order in specific part numbers if I request them, I really do have a thing about gearboxes/diffs (the thing being I am mainly rubbish at putting them together!), so am very tempted to prebuild an entire spare gearbox to pop onto it for changing the diff etc?

All my batterys are saddle pack by the way, I assume there is enough space in there for the wire which is soldered to the ends of some cells?

Also, if anyone has seen it physically run and has any early impressions, I'll be more than glad to hear them!

Cheers,

Dave

[modelimages]

There are here, anyone want one delivered to tiverton drop us a line.
jimmy check your pm.
john

[jimmy]

Thanks John!
We'll be looking to race the RB5 at tiverton this weekend for the oOple review. :)

Sleep? who needs it!

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Who will be driving it Jimmy as your not doing 2wd.

[jasonrcb]

My RB5 arrived yesterday now built sprayed and ready for next weekend
if you run the car at tivvy on sunday jimmy can you put up any changes or settings you as its all shots in the dark at the minute

[jimmy]

we'll be running it saturday, not me like spencer cleverly spotted since I'm not booked in for 2WD (day 'off' to take photos and do a report instead haha) but I'll have a GOOD driver to drive it and get to grips with it :)

Thanks to Modelimages

[woOdy]

Is it right that the person driving it for you Jimmy is ment to be practicing on friday with it? Is this right, and can you let us know where as I want to see it go.

[jimmy]

yeah stig will need to practice with it friday just to get a feel for it and make sure it's all cool. Be a bit of a challenge on saturday since the car is a total unknown but will be interesting all the same.

[MikePimlott]

Sleep? who needs it!

Jimmy, you should be sponsered by Pro-Plus, :D

[Andrew Simpson]

sleep is for the weak!!

[jimmy]

Thanks to John at modelimages / The Race Place, I got the car a few minutes ago - looks great. The chassis is carbon composite like an FTb4 chassis or similar - but feels to have a bit more flex which is probably a good thing.
Only had a quick look at the bits but it all looks very familiar if you have a B4 / Losi XXXcr or similar.. Doesn't look to have too many stand-out differences which again is a good thing.

[telboy]

Gitt. ;)

Still waiting.:(

[jimmy]

Almost done!
The shocks are improved over the ZX5 ones - the manual is a bit unhelpful compared to some though since it has no real information on anything like antisquat or which piston is which.

[jimmy]

only 2am but we did it in an evening! :D

I'd put some photos up but the cameras are packed away for Tiverton now:eh?:

Car looks great.
The front spring adjusters rub on the front tower when the shocks are in the middle hole on the tower - mounting them on the inside seems unlikely without some dremeling - maybe we missed something out like a spacer (it's late) but we're both super mechanics (lol) so who knows. :rolleyes: Looking forward to Saturday anyway - not sure how it will go, such a new car and all, but will be interesting.

[tc2k]

haha, thats dedication

[telboy]

yay, mines arrived. gorgeous shell!

can't wait to start building it now. got to paint the shell first.

A bit disgruntled that it doesn't come with (even some basic) tyres. But hats what you get with a competition kit.

[telboy]

well, its 02:46am and i've just finished building mine and yes the shock colars do rub on the shock mount jimmy. nothing that a couple of washers won't sort though.

Top peice of kit though.

[bender]

Post some pics please!!!

My car is stuck at work until Monday :mad:

[Colinevan]

Yeah deffo some pics please....

Can i ask though, does it look like a brushless 5.5 will fit in it with the fan.

It does look quite narrow.. Hmm no good to me of i cant fit my brushless in it.

Thanks

Col.

[telboy]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1463/dscf3757gf3.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf3757gf3.jpg)


Thats all I can show you at the mo' you'll have to wait to see mine in the radioracecar mag review. prob' next month.

seems to be a fair bit of room under the shell for a speedo with fan as its got 'lumps' on the side pods.

[losidan]

soz if this has been posted already. I was perusing the azarashi site cos i've just bought some of their wings and came across this pic
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n163/losidan/CIMG4305.jpg

is that the rb5 along side with some rather nice carbon shock towers?

[woOdy]

just got back from tivy and I ran the rb5 yesterday and it was very promising. Started off hard but in the final it was ok. Keep an eye on this space for more details from Jimmy;) ;) ;)

[DaveG28]

Hi Guys,

Any more info likely to be posted this week? I have my first regional at the weekend (and first 2wd outdoor of any kind for 15 years!) and have just taken delivery of one, will be building it up and any setup advice for the weekend would be great?

Cheers,

Dave

[woOdy]

Hi Guys,

Any more info likely to be posted this week? I have my first regional at the weekend (and first 2wd outdoor of any kind for 15 years!) and have just taken delivery of one, will be building it up and any setup advice for the weekend would be great?

Cheers,

Dave

Hi Dave. It is coming just takes a while to go through it all. I have not got a set up for anything but Tivy but u are more than welcome to ask any questions.;)

[telboy]

hey woOdy,

which of the piston did you use in the shocks?
seeing as there is reference to them in the instructions regarding hole size, it looks like its guess work.

.........they all look the same to me!:o .............

.......obviuosly some have three holes and some have two......before someone says anything............:rolleyes: .

[DaveG28]

Hi Woody,

Any tips really, is there anything obvious with the setup, eg are the springs way to soft/hard? Anything that already looks fragile?

Thanks,

Dave

[WheelNut]

For shock pistons there should be a letter molded into one side, A having the largest holes and C having the smallest.

[telboy]

aahh, thank you very much that has made thing clearer.

[KyoshoK]

so any weak areas that may need hopups. like the shok tower holder and D plate on the ZX5?

[TommyBergfeldt]

Only thing i've broke is a C-hub and steering knuckle.. Frequency-conflict and runaway into barrier :eh?:

[Sabben]

Will it be one of your fantastic reviews for the RB5 here soon, Jimmy?;) :)

[jimmy]

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/rb5title.jpg (http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/rb5title.jpg)

What do you think? :D

Probably go get some more photos this weekend - I only have photos from Tiverton and it's hard to get nice shots for a review in a racing situation where I can't set the car up how I like or get in positions I like to get the photo.

[DaveG28]

Hi guys,

Anyone know what wheels will fit front and rear, I am in need of spares urgently for the weekend!

Cheers,

Daves

[woOdy]

at the end of the day i had a bigger hole piston in the rear than the front and oil wise i was 25 wtg in front and 22.5 in rear. regards wheels AE will fit the rear but front will only fit Kyosho. Sorry.

[DaveG28]

Hi again,

Are the kit springs ok, or is it advisable to change them for something harder?

Dave

[jimmy]

If I get chance I'll measure them but we didn't use them at the weekend, instead opting for AE springs, Brown front, silver rear. But the track (Tiverton) isn't like most tracks so I guess this weekend Stu will head out with something a little more like a regular B4 spring setup, have to see, he is boss! lol.

[DaveG28]

Yeah I don't even know what surface I am on this weekend, don;t know if anyone has been to Marston?

I run TRF501x in 4wd, so think I am going to start with the 501 kit springs (Medium) on the Ultima with Tamiya 400 Oil (I belive that equates to about 40wt AE?) and see how it goes!! Anyone can warn me if I am way off on that setup though!

Are the wheels pretty strong, I have no spare ones at all?

Cheers,

Dave

[woOdy]

If I get chance I'll measure them but we didn't use them at the weekend, instead opting for AE springs, Brown front, silver rear. But the track (Tiverton) isn't like most tracks so I guess this weekend Stu will head out with something a little more like a regular B4 spring setup, have to see, he is boss! lol.


I though you was the Boss? If I am then I have just give me a wage rise:D :D :D .
Regards to DaveG I think you will need a stiffer spring on the front then the back but I think you will be ok for now. The wheels are ok, strong enough. If you havent run it yet be aware there is a lot of rear end grip.

[MATTY]

Yeah I don't even know what surface I am on this weekend, don;t know if anyone has been to Marston?

I run TRF501x in 4wd, so think I am going to start with the 501 kit springs (Medium) on the Ultima with Tamiya 400 Oil (I belive that equates to about 40wt AE?) and see how it goes!! Anyone can warn me if I am way off on that setup though!

Are the wheels pretty strong, I have no spare ones at all?

Cheers,

Dave
Try running the standard B4 grass setup as a good starting point ! i will be at marstons on sunday if you are having problems;)

[telboy]

what pinion would you all suggest for 8x2? for this car?

[woOdy]

what pinion would you all suggest for 8x2? for this car?

17 or 18. r u going somewhere special tomoz

[modelimages]

what pinion would you all suggest for 8x2? for this car?
any pinion and a large bag of spares!!

[jimmy]

haha, love it! :D

8x2 in a 2wd- you beast!

[modelimages]

my first batch of spares are arriving wednesday, best put some to one side for tel

[modelimages]

speaking of which the rear springs are the same as the zx5 so plenty of options there but only one front spring and no alternatives

[telboy]

haha, going somewhere special........THE MOON!:p

No, I just thought I'd go a little mad!

Tell u what though, its a bit rapid!

fill you all in tomoz.;)

[jimmy]

remember to take a plastic bag to bring it home in :D

[jasonrcb]

first time out with the rb5 today and more than happy with it on all counts
i changed the kit springs to kyosho orange on the front and yellow rears with 35wt rear and 30frt,totally transformed the car its also very stable and quick best days racing ive had in a long time and i highly recommend the car :)

[caneye]

first time out with the rb5 today and more than happy with it on all counts
i changed the kit springs to kyosho orange on the front and yellow rears with 35wt rear and 30frt,totally transformed the car its also very stable and quick best days racing ive had in a long time and i highly recommend the car :)

are those zx5 springs that u used?

[jasonrcb]

yes they were the zx5 springs

[DaveG28]

Hi All,

I was at the same meeting as Jason, I used TRF501x medium front springs and AE Silver rears for all the heats, then swapped to orange/yellow on Jason's recommendation for the final.

Although bad driving from me meant it wasn;t a successful day, was v.impressed with the car, and also can agree with Jason on those springs being a good base.

Couple of issues I may have had, which wouldn't mind people confirming were a bad idea:

1. I used 4wd front tires instead of narrower 2wd, and suffered lots of grip rolling. Any chance these were related?

2. Is it good to have plenty of ride height to be as smooth as possible over the bumps?

3. I never use drag brake on my transmitter setup, but find I often don't turn in tight enough due to push. Do most of you use some drag brake to ensure weight transfer (I have the same weight transfer problem with all kits, so it must be something in my driving style!?)?

Again, v.impressed with the car, ran like a dream, just my driving to fix!

Cheers,

Dave

[jasonrcb]

hi dave
i ran schuy yellows all round thin fronts,in practise i found i had a little grip roll so i cut the outside row off both front and rear and totally changed the car i was so much quicker in and out of the corners,personally i dont like using 4wd fronts as i find there way to much i also use 2wd fronts on my 4wheel
hope this helps you out

cheers jason

[BREEZER]

first time out with the rb5 today and more than happy with it on all counts
i changed the kit springs to kyosho orange on the front and yellow rears with 35wt rear and 30frt,totally transformed the car its also very stable and quick best days racing ive had in a long time and i highly recommend the car :)

Hi All, Have just got my "RB5",will be racing it on grass with some jumps has any one got A good set up e/g pistons oil anti squat etc. Thanks Martin,

Thinking of may be changing from my X10 to LAZER is this Agood idea

[Mr X]

i dont know if this was already covered or not but are the front rims the same as losi front rims or does it used lazer front rims?

[jimmy]

it uses RB5 front rims.

Lazer ones should fit but I assume the offset is different. So the hex is larger than that on the Losi.

[Casper]

I have just started racing the RB5 over in the States. The car is awesome. I have put the ZX-5 option springs front and rear on the car. A 1mm shim behind the upper shock cap will space out the shock enough to clear the front stay. Also check your rear tire to wing clearance. We have noticed with some tires, you can get wing rub at full suspension travel. Raising the wing solves this problem on the buggy.

The car is very good. Running orange springs up front and yellows in the rear wtih great results. I have been running on high bite dirt so far. The car is very good out of the box. This car should be a sleeper this year and in the right hands is very capable of winning races. The Kyosho plastic seems to be holding up quite well also. A local crash tester has yet to break his car and that is not without a lack of trying!. :wtf:

[jimmy]

Go fast enough and you can break anything! eh Stu? :D

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/southport290407/bigimages/NO5E0016.jpg

[jim76]

Thinking of may be changing from my X10 to LAZER is this Agood idea

YES! the lazer is awesome. so stable and easy to drive.