Judge me, please be kind

[bigred5765]

OK so i got bored yesterday and did this, what do you all think
this ones for sale also

[loose]

I had a good look at this shell today at Batley, excellent work mate. The pic doesn't do the silver outlines justice. Was a very nice job.:cool:

[losidan]

very nice indeed. the skull on the front isnt my thing but it is still cracking

[DCM]

did you use a stencil for the skull, but am definately liking the tribal stripes on the side, they look ace, right choice of colour and corking chrome pinstriping.

[emzy]

Looks nice although I'm more of a pretty flowers kind of girl than a skull girl...!

I like the colours though, very... aesthetically pleasing!

[bigred5765]

thanks guys and gals for the kind comments,
PS emzy
next one will be more a girly one
just for yaw

[b4rs]

alot better thn i can do mate, nice one 7/10 id say. :)

[bigred5765]

did you use a stencil for the skull, but am definitely liking the tribal stripes on the side, they look ace, right choice of colour and corking chrome pin striping.

no stencil for skull just a free hand drawing
tribal stripes i ripped of another free template, but had to copy them over free hand, the pinstripes were the worst took hours

[VONDUTCH]

Man if you can do this when you're bored then when you're inspired you will be the best shell painter alive.First class job.

[telboy]

looking pretty smart, like the skull. As DCM said right choice of colours.

pinstriping is a pain in the rse!

[bigred5765]

tell me about it i hate pinstripes, but it adds another dimension to the scheme and i need more practise on them,wish someone would invent a easier way of doing them.

[DCM]

I have even tried automotive pinstriping tape, and it works.... in a straight line, or gentle curve, but flames etc, just don't bother.

Whats worse, cutting the pinstripe, or de-masking....

[telboy]

..ooh, erm.

I think its the 'de-masking' with liquid mask....depending on what paint is used....

and the cutting with masking tape.

[SCOTT DICKINSON]

Fine job BIG RED
DCM.....id say pinstriping as i love de-masking(you get to see the finished result)
the answer to both of these is BOB DIVELYS masking solution
its the best ive encounterd....and makes painting easy
even if you remove the wrong bit it resticks like tape

just wash the shell first with a little fairy (you know what i meen)
make sure its well rinsed and dry
paint on a layer (brush if you like) of BOBS and let dry over night
repeat again so you have 2 layers fully dry
trim and paint away till your hearts content (spirit or water/acrylic based)
examples.......
www.rc10b4.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2701sort/1/cat/500/page/2
www.rc10b4.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2030/sort/1/cat/500/page/1

[schuwolf]

So where is Bobs available from?

[ashleyb4]

I could do better with a felt tip pen............:o






























HAHA no only joking Carl it looks awsome.

just like mine i may need a b4 one doing in my colour scheme soon.

A

[bigred5765]

nps ash just pm me ill sort it,
i use bob divleys its ace,takes some getting use to but results are ace

[telboy]

schuwolf,
get it from ebay from the states. just type in bob divelys and you should get some results. I get mine from 'rcboyz'.

[DCM]

how much is shipping Tel?

[bigred5765]

dude you can get it here in the uk
je spares sell it in 1 pint bottles and i know everything airbrush are trying to get it in for me
http://www.jespares.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=786

[DCM]

can you use it with masking tape too?

[bigred5765]

you can but i really couldn't see any reason why you would have to
apart from, name decals etc

[telboy]

Yeah, snap. I never use masking tape any more.

Just looked at the je spares site. Do they only stock the 16oz bottles? i normally buy 3x 32oz bottles. complete with the shipping costs it works out at £16.66 per bottle. The 16oz ones are £10.99 from jespares.
If they can beat £16 on the 32oz then I will start getting it from them.;)

[DCM]

I tried RC-boyz earlier, they only had the parma stuff on there, I bought some of the JE Spares to give it a bash

[bigred5765]

make sure you let it air dry some were warm. i tried to force it and it doesnt seem to like it,i spray mine on with a cheap gravity feed spray gun £8 or so of fleabay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MINI-GRAVITY-FEED-TOUCH-UP-PAINT-SPRAY-GUN-COMPRESSOR_W0QQitemZ160093629283QQihZ006QQcategory Z30923QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) that is the one i use, or £21 from everything airbrush clicky link (http://www.everythingairbrush.com/acatalog/copy_of_copy_of_SprayGuns.html)

[DCM]

I was thinking more, that as a shell comes in, I can wash it and mask it before doing the design.

How do blades survive with Dively's and how many coats.

[telboy]

I brush it on, about 3 decent coats. make sure its even though, it doesn't like thick lumps all over the place.
Blade wise, they seem to last forever with the stuff as its a lot, lot softer than the masking tape.

If you use tamiya with it, it does seem to soften it a little and make it a pig to work with sometimes. pactra and faskolor are fine.

[DCM]

ace, well I got some Dively on it's way to give it a bash, and a spray gun to, can always use it for other things I guess to.

[rich_cree]

thought I'd ask someone who knows, is a compressor absolutely necessary? I'm planning on using faskolor paint and I'm guessing those cans probably aren't up to the job?

[Col]

A friend of mine once tried using a spray gun with air pressure supplied from a car tyre. This worked superbly for about 20 seconds and then the pressure was not enough for a good spray.
On the positive side, he grew some excellent leg muscles...

[DCM]

thought I'd ask someone who knows, is a compressor absolutely necessary? I'm planning on using faskolor paint and I'm guessing those cans probably aren't up to the job?

I did my first one with, erm, cans, yes, plural, the cans are realy designed for propelling lacquer paints (realy thin). By the time you have bought a few tins of air, it would of been cheaper to pay someone.

[bigred5765]

you can go to b&q warehouse or something similar and get a cheap compressor for 50 quid or so tried tyres cans all sorts but compressor is the best way and for £50 is it worth messing about

[telboy]

I don't think the cans of air would have enough pressure anyway for faskolor.

deffo buy a cheap compressor. it needs to be one where you can alter the pressure realy. I used to have one of the hobby compressors that closed up into a little carry case, but even that wouldn't spray faskolor.

i got mine for about £60 and its fine and also works a load of other stuff to.

[bigred5765]

found a couple of cheap ones
click here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MINI-PORTABLE-PANCAKE-AIR-COMPRESSOR-FOR-AIR-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ170086676431QQihZ007QQcategoryZ3090 6QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

or here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WOLF-AIR-COMPRESSOR-1-5HP-CHEROKEE-II-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ150098270202QQihZ005QQcategoryZ30906Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
this is the one i use

[schuwolf]

dude you can get it here in the uk
je spares sell it in 1 pint bottles and i know everything airbrush are trying to get it in for me
http://www.jespares.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=786
Cheers Bigred, didn't know JESpares sold it. Thanks also to Tel

[shinytopman]

B&Q have got a small 6ltr 1.5hp comp on special at the mo think its less than £50 save all the playing about on ebay. Not only that if it gets a fault u got somewhere to take it back!

HTH's

[schuwolf]

I use a Ripmax compressor, seems ok with Faskolor. Have used cans of propellant in hot water with a cheap airbrush and got reasonable result.

[schuwolf]

Here's one I did earlier :rolleyes: I needed a quick shell and blasted on some Faskolor Copper Flake then Black with a cheapo air brush and propellant. Looks good in sunlight!
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/schuwolf/DSC_0005-1.jpg

[rich_cree]

so what is the effect of having too little pressure? splattering?

[DCM]

splattering, yes, and if you got a siphon airbrush, when the pressure drops too low, it won't even spray. It is doable, I have, but the work needed and cost far outweighs ANY bennefits.

[bigred5765]

thats were mine came from b&q, but its not on line so couldn't give a link to it

[rich_cree]

Thansk for the tips, any idea what kind of pressure I'll need? 50psi enough?

[jimmy]

I usually spray around 30 psi with faskolor

[bigred5765]

15-35 psi depanding on how small a line im spraying, 50 psi max is fine
i spray my liquid mask at that

[bigred5765]

I was thinking more, that as a shell comes in, I can wash it and mask it before doing the design.

How do blades survive with Dively's and how many coats.

spraying a use 4-5 coats

[DCM]

what do you clean out the dively with, and how long between coats?

[bigred5765]

i leave mine 6-8hrs near radiator or over night, and clean with plane clean warm water,
make sure its gone completly clear, no light blue shades, before next coat,

[DCM]

cheers fella, got some on the way.

Maybe, it might be worth people clubbing together and buying in bulk.

[bigred5765]

i asked divelys direct who is there UK importers no reply lol typical??
also asked je spares to get some 32Oz bottles they said may be if enough ask
SO GET ASKING

[telboy]

I asked them if they would be getting any 32oz and they told me they wont get any because of the shipping costs?!

I mean I always order 3x bottles of 32oz, and the way I'm getting through it I'm gonna be using around 15-20 of 32oz bottles a year!:o

So it'd be well worth them getting it, id rather get it from over here as it will arrive quicker, rather than having to think 'ooh I'm going to be needing some in a month or so, so I'd better get it ordered and hope it gets here on time'. at least if i ordered it from je i'd get it in a couple of days rather than 4-5week......
......or if someone over here could make some identical! cos the parma stuff just isn't as good.

i asked divley about distributing it over here but they just said that they weren't intrested in distribution over here.....strange.

[DCM]

Tell, if you are VAT registered, why not try and get a trade account, you would make a killing.

[bigred5765]

they just dont seem interested in getting it to the uk

[DCM]

more like, they are not interested in selling a small quantity to the UK, I am sure JE knows how good this stuff is, but buy the smaller bottles as they just don't want to be realy involved.

[big si]

i asked divelys direct who is there UK importers no reply lol typical??
also asked je spares to get some 32Oz bottles they said may be if enough ask
SO GET ASKING


can you give me the contact details for divelys?

my step dad does different kinds of liquid mask and is interested in importing new stuff for trials.

[bigred5765]

bob divley model aircraft
po box 144
wood ridge
nj 07075
800 752 1650

[big si]

cool thanks

[big si]

right guys i have spoken to my step dad about this and he may have just the product.

he is sending me a sample today for me to test so once i have done said tests i will report back for all of you to comment.


can i ask what it is you guys like about divleys mask???? anything in perticular???


for you guys that use loads of the stuff how would you feel about 20 litre drums of mask????

[telboy]

:o 20 litre!:o

Holy sshhh..............

the divleys stuff is stronger and easier to use than the parma fasmask. Its more forgiving when it come to solvent based stuff and so, is just better.

unfortunately i don't do THAT much so am not vat registered. Although I do a lot, I do like to have a break from it every now and then, just to gather my inventive thoughts.

[DCM]

I wouldn't have anywhere to store 20litres, let alone have a way of decanting it neatly into a smaller container.

[big si]

20 litres is the biggest container we do liquid mask in

we can do it in 1 litre containers

i will do some tests as i say and see how it works

Telboy and bigred
can you pm me your addy and a contact no if possible so i can have a word with you about liquid mask and maybe sort you out a sample too so i can get some other views?

[bigred5765]

just finished 3 more using divelys, to be honest it goes along way when u spray it, but if u wanna post me a little ill test it for ya o and i can take 20 litres at the right price if its OK and ill decant it as I'm doing that now with my tyre remover have 100's 1 litre tubs and bottles

[big si]

thanks for your details guys.

i will do some tests with some of uor stuff to find the best adhesion level (we have 16 different levels) and when i have a short list i will give you a shout

thanks
Si

[bigred5765]

just added three more to the collection
chris cockers new shell, had to use the illusion shell from jconcepts to fit the brushless in
http://www.hobbytec.co.uk/mkportal/modules/gallery/album/a_90.jpg
here's conners his sons i think this is one of my best yet
http://www.hobbytec.co.uk/mkportal/modules/gallery/album/a_88.jpg
and the new s4 shell
http://www.hobbytec.co.uk/mkportal/modules/gallery/album/a_92.jpg
we used liquid mas on these from bob divleys
on the next one im going to do a how to, do you think it might be usefull

[DCM]

yeap, it would, I am going to have a play nexty week.

Nice shells!!

[Col]

I realise that this thread got slightly off topic from the original post, but while trauling fleabay for stuff, I found this up for sale again...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/xx4-body-not-bj4-xxx4g-or-yokomo_W0QQitemZ170101157871QQihZ007QQcategoryZ256 5QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[DCM]

thanks for your details guys.

i will do some tests with some of uor stuff to find the best adhesion level (we have 16 different levels) and when i have a short list i will give you a shout

thanks
Si

any news?

[b4rs]

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i hope this is a b4 shell? if it is can you tell me what kind coz this is a hot shell. i want one.....................NOW!

[jimmy]

It's an Atomic Carbon S4 shell I'm afraid, so you'll have to save your pennies to run it! :)

[b4rs]

awwww....:(