traxxas / rustler vxl/bandit vxl

[stampede vxlboy]

can anybody help me with the weight of 2 wheels drive car .i have got 2 full packs core rc weight on front end of the car. and it still pulling the front end up of the car. weight with a battery is 1907 and its still wheeling with a 7.4v lipo battery .plus its a heavy car its a 10 turner 3500kv but more like a 8.5 turn:lol: just carnt keep the front end down.

[jono83]

does it have a slipper clutch? if so back it off a little

[stampede vxlboy]

i have turned it back half of a full turn the slipper clutch:mad: if i turn it back more. it will not work right slipping too much if i turn it back more

[Scouser]

Does your speedo have a punch adjustment? If so, try adjusting it to a lower setting. You could also try a different pinion to see if that helps.

[stampede vxlboy]

tryed that if i turn it down is like practise mode. and if i gear it lower it just pulls the front end up more :thumbdown: have a look on youtube traxxas rustler vxl:lol:

[stampede vxlboy]

plus the oil in shocks is 50 w. and its still doing it ?

[jameswilkinson7]

Simon. Balance the slipper clutch so it gives drive but isnt as aggresive.

[stampede vxlboy]

i spent alot of time on this car. i have tryed everything i can do. i phone modelsport they said the same . you can keep the front end down stick 6 packs of core rc weight on it . but then it too heavy it weight 1907 with a battery . traxxas said the same:lol:

[Marvin]

Just drive more smoothly! In my 1/8 brushless stuff, it's so easy to overdo it, just tame that throttle finger/thumb.

[ch!3f]

have you tryed movint the centre weight od the car forward i.e is ther spares on rear hub put them at rear of hub instead of at front also move esc and receiver forward in car if possible that will help,if that doesnt work what about throttle control?dont just stick full throttle on n it mite stay down!!!!!!!:lol:

[ch!3f]

thinking about it doesnt it come with wheelie bars on back?theres your answer its suppost to wheelie its down to your driving gota take it steady!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lo l::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[stampede vxlboy]

i have moved the reciever to the front 2.4ghz and the esc is mounted to a plate sat at the back of the car there only this place for the esc with it been quite big :lol:

[stampede vxlboy]

yes it does but plastric 1 just snap so i got metal 1 :lol:

[jameswilkinson7]

Set your slipper clutch and try to be less throtle happy:D

[Chrislong]

More weight (Bag of sand), be more gentle with the throttle and a wheelie bar.

[stampede vxlboy]

need so better shocks and my shocks are 90mm long and the rears are 100mm long plus it got 2 full packs core rc weight on the front end and 50wz oil it the shocks :lol:

[poopers]

Try softening the rear shocks so they absorb more of the energy from acceleration, don’t they come with 30 wt as standard? If that doesn’t work, drive on a polished floor.

Also, have a nice cup of tea before driving to calm your throttle finger. :thumbsup:

[shanks]

Slipper clutch - got to be

I've had a vxl bandit myself - tried it with slipper locked and it wheelied dead easy, loosened a bit and it was fine.

If you can't get that balance then guess something is wrong with the slipper

[Si Coe]

Also remember that the chassis was designed for NiMHs (actually NiCads its the old!). If you are running lipos that 2 packs of weights isn't much at all. That will just take you to the weight of NiMH no more since Lipos are really light. I put three whole strips of weight in my B4 - two of them lining the bottom of the battery tray just to compensate for the difference in weight to NiMHs. Only the third strip is actually used for balancing the car.

But yes, most important of all is throttle control. Just ease in the throttle and it won't wheelie. Once upon a time cars didn't have slipper clutches or punch settings on ESC's. Your only traction control was your left thumb!

[Crazy L]

Just to reiterate what other people have said, be smoother with the throttle. The stick/trigger has more than one position, learn to use it.

[cjm_2008]

can anybody help me with the weight of 2 wheels drive car .i have got 2 full packs core rc weight on front end of the car. and it still pulling the front end up of the car. weight with a battery is 1907 and its still wheeling with a 7.4v lipo battery .plus its a heavy car its a 10 turner 3500kv but more like a 8.5 turn:lol: just carnt keep the front end down.

have you tried fitting a wheelie bar mate?

the tamiya midnight pumpkin and lunchbox models suffered a similar problem. perhaps a wheelie bar would help you. you could gaffer tape or cable tie it onto the gearbox.

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[stampede vxlboy]

its got a wheelie bar integy alloy 1 on :thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

:pthis is easy
it caused by those who talkbollockius, what you need to do it fit one of the new fufar valves that is made by analretards, these can be found at www.icrantdrive.com (http://www.icrantdrive.com) there very cheap and are inserted through the rear passage.:thumbsup::blush::mad::confused:;):cry:

[stampede vxlboy]

. i am going to put 4 packs core rc weight on it . and 1 other thing that it does is when your at full speed and hit the brakes fast it slides on the grass on rolls some times . and my tryes are schumacher full spikeand the gearing is 76 spur and 23 pinion and 50wt oil in the shocks :lol:

[DaveG28]

[Please god tell me he's in on the joke...]

[Nige]

So you really did click on the link??? :wtf: Think it might be spelt incorrectly, maybe if you remove the r it may work: www.icantdrive.com (http://www.icantdrive.com)

[stampede vxlboy]

what a set of dickheads. its about racing you clowns, by the way did u mean i cant not i crant spell it right get a grip lol:thumbdown:

[stampede vxlboy]

from the sound of it u know all about rear passages batty boy

[stampede vxlboy]

did i hell click on the link ffs did you

[Nige]

what a set of dickheads. its about racing you clowns, by the way did u mean i cant not i crant spell it right get a grip lol:thumbdown:

from the sound of it u know all about rear passages batty boy

did i hell click on the link ffs did you

Wasn't that a slight over-reaction.....:eh?: You say you didn't click on the link, but on your previous post (which you have now amended you said the link didn't work). My reply was just to enlighten you regarding another members post. Maybe if you didn't react in this way, others wouldn't try to provoke you.

[poopers]

Nige, going on previous threads it was a restrained and articulate retort!:o

One of my fav posts is vxlboy’s request that daz engage in, ahem, relations with a pig after daz gave advice in a previous thread.:woot:

Anyway, he gives as good as he gets.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

this is about a traxxas rustler / bandit vxl ok . not taking the piss like school kids in a playground . if you dont know anything about the car dont comment ok :thumbdown:

[ch!3f]

were trying to help you were giving you really good hints and tips on what to do with your car also driving tips and your just not listening you need to learn that your car is designed to wheelie and its down to you to learn haw to control it.

theres nothing wrong with the car its you.

haw long you been driving days weeks?
best option is listen and you will learn from your errors we all started off shit you no!!!!!!

just some people stay shit coz they dont wana listen!

[stampede vxlboy]

i know i have been bashing for the last 3 years i sorted it out mate. slipper clutch something wrong with it i got loads of trucks and buggys i am new to buggy different to trucks . that all :lol:

[ch!3f]

fury muff mate good luck to you.:thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks mate nice to talk to someone that :thumbsup:sensible

[c0sie]

Simple. Put a bigger pinion on it, like a 26 or something. It wont wheelie and it will go faster.

Problem solved.

[stampede vxlboy]

i got a 23 pinion on it but if i put 25 will be faster on topend . but i got told to use a 19 pinion for a race track :lol:

[ch!3f]

faster topend but slower acceleration which will reduce wheelies.:p

[c0sie]

You ask for help, I post something I think will help your situation and you blow my ideas away?

Happy posting mon amie

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks i have tryed it with a 25 pinion gear is ok with it but. on a track i got told i would need a 19 pinion gear and turn slipper back a bit . thankyou for your help i tryed it .but dms racing said i would need about 19 pinion does anybody know what size pinion people use on a track and i was going to put a fast motor in it as well .thanks people for help me :thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

You'll need to decide which motor before choosing a pinion, if you put a faster motor in generally you need a smaller pinion, but it would depend on specific motors, so post which one your using. Also, do you know which track? The best help on gearing will come from other racers at that track, though you'll get a good general idea from people here!

[Darren Boyle]

thanks i have tryed it with a 25 pinion gear is ok with it but. on a track i got told i would need a 19 pinion gear and turn slipper back a bit . thankyou for your help i tryed it .but dms racing said i would need about 19 pinion does anybody know what size pinion people use on a track and i was going to put a fast motor in it as well .thanks people for help me :thumbsup:

Not quite sure I remember us advising a "particular" size pinion for you earlier on the phone, since we did state we dont know the Traxxas car that well since we dont stock it, but we DID say that on the "10 turn" motor you said you were using that a 25/26 sounded way to high for race purpose gearing and to lower it (although no specific number was mentioned).

We DID also say to adjust your slipper clutch accordingly (which on its own will cure the wheelies), we DID say that adding lead weight to the front (in "proportionate" amounts, will help to keep your nose down) and we DID also say to remove the gastly FULL spikes that you have been wrongly advised to run and replace them with more conventional "mini spikes" which is the norm on most UK tracks we run on (this was to prevent the severe grip roll you described). Once ALL of this is done your car should be a LOT better. The only area we did not offer advice was on your 50wt shock oil (which does sound a tad thick TBH - as others HAVE told you) but not knowing the Traxxas shocks and seeing how it "feels" is hard to say whether they are right or wrong for your car (Some shocks with 50wt would be way to heavy on the damping, however some brands would still feel soft - depending on the pistons and hole sizes used inside them)

:woot: :( :thumbsup: :confused: :thumbdown: :lol: :mad: :drool: :bored: :blush: :p :cry: ;) :wub :D :eh?: :o :wtf: ;)

[ch!3f]

i give in stampede vxlboy you want to keep font end down n now you want aa faster motor.
you need to learn haw to set ur car up your car also learn haw to control it before doin al this stuff to it.
youll never learn am off no point talking to you you dont listen even had advise froma shop n not listend daft git.:thumbdown:

[cjm_2008]

has he tried wiring up a CPU fan, and mounting it to the front bumper upside down?

that would definately help.

[stampede vxlboy]

i give in stampede vxlboy you want to keep font end down n now you want aa faster motor.
you need to learn haw to set ur car up your car also learn haw to control it before doin al this stuff to it.
youll never learn am off no point talking to you you dont listen even had advise froma shop n not listend daft git.:thumbdown: i have listend to you and thanks for help me i am new to racing lol

[stampede vxlboy]

the motor i am going to use is 4600kv motor and my traxxas motor is a 3500kv what pinion would you start with 19 or lower :thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

i just got 2 sets of full spikes and i need to try and run them. if i can ??????as i cannot afford any more i spent to much trying to make this to be a buggy it was a rustler vxl to start with but i convered it to the bandit

[ch!3f]

then why put a faster motor in it them if your listening to us.
put that in your car will be loony and wheelie even more.
if oyu could handle the car as it is the yes put it in but you need to learn haw to drive it 1st before puting even more power n speed in it.
as for money sell your old parts and get rid of the full spikes there only good if you drive major off road on mud.

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks i have been doing offroad bashing for a long time now. and the guy said from the club they would be ok. if i wear them in before .racing with them . i have to make do with what i have got., not spending anymore more money as i am not working i got 2 full sets of tyres they will have to do or i will not start racing then. as i have spent £60 on 2 set of wheels and tyres

[stampede vxlboy]

its all about the slipper clutch just to get it right i am new to buggys that all :D

[Col]

My 2p worth?

Sell this traxas thing that no-one in the U.K races, buy a cheap second hand B4 or XXXcr that most people will be able to offer race proven advise on and have fun! You'll never look back from a b4 or XXXcr

[stampede vxlboy]

i got a madrat its the same as b4 but not as strong :thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

i would not sell my buggy its a traxxas rustler vxl as well as bandit vxl:thumbsup:.i would sell the madrat :lol:

[Si Coe]

Ok - you are stuck with the full spikes because you can't afford to change them, fine - what you need then are cut spikes. Schumacher actually sell these, but you can do them yourself - just take a pair of side cutters and carefully cut each spike down to about half its original side. This has the same effect as wearing the down a bit, but without the waiting. If you've got 2 sets, do one, try it and see how it goes. It should take some of the edge off the wheelies and the grip roll at least.

Use the 3500kv motor to start with on the lowest gearing you can control (ie no wheelies or wheelspin) - being gentle on the throttle. You will be much slower than everyone else, but this is good. A common newbie mistake is to slap a powerful motor in and be the fastest thing between crashes - its much better to be slower and get clean runs. Once you can do that move up the gearing, and then up to motor but not before.

Fair point on the car - its not bad, but its not a car commonly raced in the UK so don't spend too much more money on it. Once the T-Piece is sorted the Madrat will be better.

Trust me when I say racing is nothing like bashing. You can have bashed for years and still suck the first time you go racing. Steady and careful is therefore the key, especially as no-one else at the track will have traxxas spares - break it and you are going home early!

[stampede vxlboy]

traxxas are strong as hell its all full rpm car as i got all the hopup s for it carsx stand me at about £300to £350 with batterys and lipo chargers and 2.4ghz handset vxl combo is £190 and i got mamba castle esc that i use in it :thumbsup:

[SuperSparkSteve]

Ok - you are stuck with the full spikes because you can't afford to change them, fine - what you need then are cut spikes. Schumacher actually sell these, but you can do them yourself - just take a pair of side cutters and carefully cut each spike down to about half its original side. This has the same effect as wearing the down a bit, but without the waiting. If you've got 2 sets, do one, try it and see how it goes. It should take some of the edge off the wheelies and the grip roll at least.

Use the 3500kv motor to start with on the lowest gearing you can control (ie no wheelies or wheelspin) - being gentle on the throttle. You will be much slower than everyone else, but this is good. A common newbie mistake is to slap a powerful motor in and be the fastest thing between crashes - its much better to be slower and get clean runs. Once you can do that move up the gearing, and then up to motor but not before.

Fair point on the car - its not bad, but its not a car commonly raced in the UK so don't spend too much more money on it. Once the T-Piece is sorted the Madrat will be better.

Trust me when I say racing is nothing like bashing. You can have bashed for years and still suck the first time you go racing. Steady and careful is therefore the key, especially as no-one else at the track will have traxxas spares - break it and you are going home early!

That is great advice! read that post, and then read it again to make sure it sticks in ur mind! Racing is not all about speed, its about good clean laps 1 after the other. Full spikes are good for indoors on a wooden floor, mini spikes for outdoors. Like Si Coe said, try cutting a set down to half way. If your not sure how to do it, go to a race meet and ask a pro VERY nicely and im sure they will show u.

[stampede vxlboy]

hi how do i stop it from wheelspin and riping the grass up for funny i have got a 25pinion on it and a 76 spur? :lol:

[SuperSparkSteve]

what motor have u got in it? are u running 2 cell lipo?

[shanks]

hi how do i stop it from wheelspin and riping the grass up for funny i have got a 25pinion on it and a 76 spur? :lol:


Fess up you are taking the piss

[stampede vxlboy]

vxl motor and now not taking the piss :confused:

[stampede vxlboy]

what motor have u got in it? are u running 2 cell lipo? 2 cell lipo and a 3500kv motor and the gearing is 76 spur and 25 pinion gear:thumbsup:

[Si Coe]

Feed the throttle in gently!

Actually you've got a Mamba esc haven't you?

Ok - set the esc up with:
Punch control 100%
Start power low

That should help. If it doesn't:

Set the throttle curve up so that you have a very shallow start, rising rapidly at about 80% throttle.
Then get a little piece of fuel tubing or similar rubber stuff and stick it behind the trigger on your handset. Ideal it should make it much harder to get more than 80% throttle.
The idea here is to restrict the maximum power of your car to keep it in the zone you can control. Sounds counterintutitive for racing, but remember the old saving:
'In order to finish first, first you have to finish'
At first you WILL set faster lap times with a slower car. Its a proven fact. When you get better, then you start to dial back some of that speed
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[stampede vxlboy]

i have going to use the mamba castle in my matrat . i use a traxxas vxl sytem in my bandit vxl

[stampede vxlboy]

You'll need to decide which motor before choosing a pinion, if you put a faster motor in generally you need a smaller pinion, but it would depend on specific motors, so post which one your using. Also, do you know which track? The best help on gearing will come from other racers at that track, though you'll get a good general idea from people here! keighley track i am going to use if not i am going to shack it off as its doing my head in know. all the racing stuff . people say use a 25pinion and it just wheelspin like mad and ripping grass up for funny bigger the pinion faster it will go ?

[jameswilkinson7]

Simon. Just fetch it along to the meeting. Either the indoor on friday or the outdoor on sunday... We will help you sort it out!:D Dont get stressed about it... Its easy when you know how, Im sure you will be able to pick it up with a little help.

[stampede vxlboy]

i give in with racing with the size of the pinion gear i need to use as its ripping grass for funny and wheelspining like mad :thumbdown:

[stampede vxlboy]

Simon. Just fetch it along to the meeting. Either the indoor on friday or the outdoor on sunday... We will help you sort it out!:D Dont get stressed about it... Its easy when you know how, Im sure you will be able to pick it up with a little help. its get back from the indoor track bus stop running :thumbdown:

[DaveG28]

Take it to the meeting like the man says, I'm sure people will be able to help at the track!

Once there they'll tell you how much to cut off the tires too!

[stampede vxlboy]

i have done the tyres i am not going to both racing as i have no transport and stuck to 1 track so its not worth it as i wanted to race properly but i carnt:drool:

[jameswilkinson7]

Why not fetch it up to the indoor meeting on friday... If you have to go early for the bus, thats ok.... At least your car will be set up and you will get a little practice too:woot:. Or just fetch it along on sunday and we will help you out then. There are plenty of people willing to help you out:D

[stampede vxlboy]

i have read all the thred about me and i am calling it a day i will be closing my oople down in the next day or 2

[jameswilkinson7]

Simon... For every 1 person taking the piss there are 3 people trying to help! Dont loose heart. :thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

its gone out of the window i have made my mind up i am calling in day thanks i know you have help me. but it time to go :drool:

[bodgit]

Get yourself down the track.. Once people get to meet you as a lot seem to want to help you out with your car, all this crap will die down. I apologise for anything I wrote about you.
Dont give up dude.

[stampede vxlboy]

i am calling it a day i made my mind up. my oople will be closed down from wed. i fucking hate this site my heart gone as well thanks to all the people on here for taking the piss . you know how to turn somebody away from rc