New Ghea Magic Pistons!

[Lee Martin]

Howdy everyone!

As Debut'ed at the Euros in Spain, The Ghea Magic pistons are now available through RMR! These were the must have product of the 2009 euros!

Also Thanks to my RMR team! 6 out of the top 10 in the 4wd Main and 4 in 2wd! good job!

http://www.rymartracing.co.uk/page_1227178049729.html

Lee
Team RMR

[MALLET]

Lee, I've just got a complete set for my 808 buggy I'll let you know what I think about them.

Tim

[carlin]

Lee, I've just got a complete set for my 808 buggy I'll let you know what I think about them.

Tim


Tim,

He's talking about the 1/10th piston not 1/8th.....

[MALLET]

Aye,I knew he was I was just going to let him know what they are like in an 1/8th as well as someone else with a 1/10 :lol:

[westie]

Funky :)

[GRIFF55]

these do look nice, might have to aquire some;):thumbsup:

[Lee Martin]

The 8th Pistons are already awesome! we use them all the time without fail!

[AntH]

So the opposite theory to real rally car dampers, which are stiffer in rebound by a ratio of as much as 3:1. Has anyone tried them the other way up?

[bigred5765]

So the opposite theory to real rally car dampers, which are stiffer in rebound by a ratio of as much as 3:1. Has anyone tried them the other way up?

i think that may be because real rally cars dont jump 10-20 times there own hight and same in distance lap after lap,

[PTRU]

Yes.

[Lee Martin]

All depends how the shocks work...real cars pistons wont have a gap around the outside..whereas AE shocks have a small gap, so this forces the oil around the shock piston causing it to rebound faster! ;-)

[AntH]

i think that may be because real rally cars dont jump 10-20 times there own hight and same in distance lap after lap,


I think you are saying that, in scale terms, 1/10 off road dampers experience higher forces than a full size rally car, when jumping.

If you are bored at lunchtime try working this out;

1) Kinetic energy of a 1.6kg 1/10 off road car just before hitting the ground from a jump 20 times the cars height.
2) Kinetic energy of a 1500kg WRC car just before hitting the ground from a jump 2 or 3 times its height (Rally New Zealand). ;)

[AlisdairO]

So what's the verdict on these? What sort of surfaces do they give you a particular benefit on - the bumpy ones, or large jumps?

[ex-sco77morgan]

I reckon they are really good got them in my Losi shocks which where already great but now feel even smoother ......

[Lee Martin]

bumpy pitter patter tracks you will feel most advantages

[flipside]

I believe they are best at bumpy, medium to high grip tracks that also have large jumps, like the euro's in bilbao.

The chamfered side makes the shocks rebound faster, but the pack when landing from jumps is the same. So you can keep smaller hole pistons on bumpy tracks. You get the best of both worlds: good landing from the big jumps, and good handling in the bumps because the rebound is fast, so wheels keep contact with the ground.

I really felt the difference in bilbao, the car was a lot better at the complete banked section, from right after the quad all the way down to the dirt section.

But for me the inserts were the biggest difference in Bilbao. After 6 free practises, 2 timed practice and 3 heats full of mistakes, I took the rymart inserts and drove 2 flawless heats, resulting in a 13 and 19th place, compared to the 30-40th place before!!!

[Chrislong]

Im interested in trying some in my 808, sound a great idea. Is it Ghea3090 that fit the 808?

[Toño]

But can I rely in rymart racing ??? I've ordered them some ghea products in May and I have no news, no money, no items and they don't reply to my emails. Why ???

[NeilD]

But can I rely in rymart racing ??? I've ordered them some ghea products in May and I have no news, no money, no items and they don't reply to my emails. Why ???

Lee won't rip you off mate, it'll be a mix up somewhere. Send him a PM on here and i'm sure he'll sort it out.:)

[Nick]

I order a load of Ghea stuff for my B4 (pistons back block and bulkhead) and all came through fine! Ps the pistons work great to!

[Nick]

Has anyone got setup for Worksop indoor for B4?

[c0sie]

Are you using the new magic Ghea pistons Nick?

[RudeTony]

I've done back to back testing on these and Lee they are very very good - I saw an improvement in the car and the way it handled the bumps - would recommend to anyone with an Associated car

[dave g]

lee do any of these fit the d8?

typical d8 piston is:

15.85mm diameter.
2.5mm thick.
center bore of 2.8mm.

the shock has a bore of 15.90mm

cheers
dave

[tim-b]

is there anywhere else that does the ghea pistons for the rc8b as emailed rymart twice now and still no responce, fills me with great anticipation should i actually get to order some from them

[chokoboy]

is there anywhere else that does the ghea pistons for the rc8b as emailed rymart twice now and still no responce, fills me with great anticipation should i actually get to order some from them

U can try to email ghea.se directly

[Lee Martin]

Are you sure your emails have been sent correctly and when did you send each email?

Wraggy is normalyl super fast at responding without missing a email, let alone 2?

[MiCk B.]

Just want to share my experience with Ry-mart.

Before the off-road Euros in Spain, I sent them an email asking if they could bring some stuff with them.

Trackside at the Euros all I had ask for was there waiting for me.

So my experience with them has been top notch!!

MiCk B. :-)

[Wraggy]

is there anywhere else that does the ghea pistons for the rc8b as emailed rymart twice now and still no responce, fills me with great anticipation should i actually get to order some from them
Hi Tim with reference to this email i have only received one from you via our contact form and it was only yesterday ? unfortunatly i was racing all weekend and didnt get back till last last night so therefore have only got round to sorting the emails out from the weekend .
i have replied to your response which i hope you find satisfactory.

many thanks

[tim-b]

Hi Tim with reference to this email i have only received one from you via our contact form and it was only yesterday ? unfortunatly i was racing all weekend and didnt get back till last last night so therefore have only got round to sorting the emails out from the weekend .
i have replied to your response which i hope you find satisfactory.

many thanks
ive got your email paul and looks yes its perfect, have responded to it, dont think i was having a go just want to get the car finished and i did not really want to have the wait to get them from outside the uk

[Lee Martin]

Hoping everythings sorted now. If anyone ever has any queries just pm myself or Wraggy on here as emails can sometimes be lost in the magic world of cyberspace!!!

And if it's over the weekend it's 99% likely we will both be racing, so emails will be replied to on Monday!

Many thanks

[tim-b]

paul have you got the lightweight drive cups and wheel shaft kit ghea 2036 in stock

[xchange]

hey guys, i m just seeing this post and ordered piston AE type 2 for my b4 but anyone can tell me if is a big upgrade ???

the handling are better than ae shock with new cap and losi piston ?

[Belsten]

I have found the pistons to be a big improvement, deffo worth the money :thumbsup:

[Gaz_Stanton]

I have found the pistons to be a big improvement, deffo worth the money :thumbsup:

+1. These are now a permanent feature in all my cars. :thumbsup:

[xchange]

they help you to drop down your lap time ?

And just a question, the losi piston 56 will help to drop down lap time or we can run fast with AE piston ?

[gazhillAE]

Wraggy, i know Lees not dealing with these anymore but just a couple of question for you!

Im using losi red pistons in x6, which associated pistons in the RMR range are closest to these????

Also ordered a Blue GHEA front brace on Thurs havnt recieved it yet not had any confirmation either have you got the order definetly, paid via papyapl as requested :p

One other thing, i need a pair of No2 and a pair of No1 pistons for the B44, could you do a set of 4 as above instead of 4 of each!

Gaz

[Wraggy]

Wraggy, i know Lees not dealing with these anymore but just a couple of question for you!

Im using losi red pistons in x6, which associated pistons in the RMR range are closest to these????

Also ordered a Blue GHEA front brace on Thurs havnt recieved it yet not had any confirmation either have you got the order definetly, paid via papyapl as requested :p

One other thing, i need a pair of No2 and a pair of No1 pistons for the B44, could you do a set of 4 as above instead of 4 of each!

Gaz
Hi Gaz not sure about whats closest to the Losi Red piston in Associated but we do the Losi Ghea pistons also.
i have your order for your front brace also and will be posted to you monday (wasnt ordered till fri;) 5march 12.28 pm:p) and by the time i get home post has gone.

i cant split packs though mate im afraid and have to sell them as they come .. sorry.

any more questions then ask

thanks

[gazhillAE]

Hi Gaz not sure about whats closest to the Losi Red piston in Associated but we do the Losi Ghea pistons also.
i have your order for your front brace also and will be posted to you monday (wasnt ordered till fri;) 5march 12.28 pm:p) and by the time i get home post has gone.

i cant split packs though mate im afraid and have to sell them as they come .. sorry.

any more questions then ask

thanks

Thanks bud!
Did i realy order that brace friday, thought it was thursday?? :cry:
Piston wise for Losi, think its a 56 the Red losi piston???
Do you have these in the GHEA range?
So id have to buy a pack of no2 and no 1 GHEA AE pistons then would i?? :confused:
Gaz

[Wraggy]

Thanks bud!
Did i realy order that brace friday, thought it was thursday?? :cry:
Piston wise for Losi, think its a 56 the Red losi piston???
Do you have these in the GHEA range?
So id have to buy a pack of no2 and no 1 GHEA AE pistons then would i?? :confused:
Gaz
yes mate time flies :woot:
yeah we do the red Losi piston in the Ghea range, and im afraid i cant split the packs so have to but a pack of 2's and 1's im afraid, it has been known to run the same pistons front and back and its how we have to order them direct from Ghea im afraid.

thanks

[AmiSMB]

Would like to buy from Rymart but the site no longer seems to have any products :blush:

[Wraggy]

Would like to buy from Rymart but the site no longer seems to have any products :blush:
pm'd;)

[j.m.]

The link in the first post doesn't work for me, but i'm guessing these pistons will just return to full length faster than they compress.

This is exactly what these do:
http://www.rpmrcproducts.com/products/assoc/hires/8042.htm

Those ^^ have been around for about 8 years now.
(Click return to previous page to see the shocks they are available for)

Jon

[/tobys]

How much do the magic pistons increase the speed of the return?

If you use a #2 Magic Piston, is the down travel like that of a #1 piston? Faster? Slower?

Shame they can't be purchased in pairs...;)

Which is the most popular?

[cmgreen]

From what i gather one side of the piston is drilled at a angle, its acually quite a good idea having a faster downward stroke. What is really good you can keep the same set up as what you have now but gain the advantage on the downward stroke of the shock, e.g. over a bumpy section and jumps. I aint tried these yet, as i hope to save up for a set :thumbsup:.

[/tobys]

I understand they are tapered but what I was wondering was how big the effect was. For example, if you use Magic #2, does this have the pack of an AE #2 but the rebound of an AE #1?

[cmgreen]

Ah rite! I dunno is the answer :confused:

[Wraggy]

pretty much that Toby the compression is the same as u would get from a standard Piston , but its the return thats quicker hence why its better then the standard ones .

I understand they are tapered but what I was wondering was how big the effect was. For example, if you use Magic #2, does this have the pack of an AE #2 but the rebound of an AE #1?

[NitroArgi]

I am a little confused right now...the flat side of the pistons should look down...right??? Or is it the other way around???

[flipside]

No, flat side should look up...

Also as with normal pistons, there is no 'best piston'. It depends on the track. The pistons allow you to keep smaller holes (good for landing jumps) even on rougher terrain (where you would use bigger holes). The pistons combine the positive effects of both.

For example with losi: On a rough dirt track you would maybe use orange piston instead of red to handle the bumps better. But then your car will slam down its chassis when landing from big jumps. With these pistons you just take the tapered red version. Over the bumps, shocks will go out fast as with orange pistons, keeping contact with the surface, and therefore handle bumps better. But when landing the jumps, shocks go in, using the non tapered side, giving you the effect of a normal red piston, so the car won't slam its chassis on the ground.

So in my opinion these pistons work best on bumpier tracks with larger jumps. Or high grip bumpy tracks, as almost any track in the UK.

[NitroArgi]

Thanks bro...

[gazhillAE]

yes mate time flies :woot:
yeah we do the red Losi piston in the Ghea range, and im afraid i cant split the packs so have to but a pack of 2's and 1's im afraid, it has been known to run the same pistons front and back and its how we have to order them direct from Ghea im afraid.

thanks

Hi bud
All is well and good with my new B4/X6 front brace except for the fact it doesnt fit! :blush:
The holes in the back of the brace that are suppose to sit over the front bulkhead nipples dont fit.
They appear to be to far in and not spaced out enough.
Do you have any that do fit right or should i just return it :thumbsup:

Also the Losi red 56 pistons that GHEA do, is there a link on the site to buy them?

Thanks bud sure you will sort the above fitting problem

Gareth

[Wraggy]

Hi bud
All is well and good with my new B4/X6 front brace except for the fact it doesnt fit! :blush:

I am guessing your not using the Ghea front Bulkhead then if your saying that ? the Ghea front brace is only designed to work with the bulkhead also.

[mikeyscott]

Tempted to try these pistons on my B4 as I'm waiting for my Cougar SV.

What's the current cost of no 1's and 2's if they offer the same pack as AE pistons.

[/tobys]

I think they are £15 per pack...

[mikeyscott]

I think they are £15 per pack...

£15 a pack so that's £30!!

[/tobys]

thats why it's a real shame they don't come in pairs...:(

[Wraggy]

I think they are £15 per pack...
correct Toby there are , and they dont come in pairs because normal AE ones dont and the reason is because sometimes you do use the same pistons in the front and back .

[NitroArgi]

Is RyMart going to be at the Euro's warm up in Austria?

[/tobys]

Wraggy, where can they be bought from now? - Rymart website doesn't have a products link any more :(

[mikeyscott]

correct Toby there are , and they dont come in pairs because normal AE ones dont and the reason is because sometimes you do use the same pistons in the front and back .

How many in a pack?

[/tobys]

4; either a full set of #1, #2 or #3....

[mikeyscott]

4; either a full set of #1, #2 or #3....

So if I only want #1 and #2 pistons I have to buy two packs?

[/tobys]

yes - or go halves with a like-minded individual!

however, if the #2 has the same pack as an AE #2 but a return speed similar to a #1, the magic #2 might be the "magic" ticket anyway!

[mikeyscott]

yes - or go halves with a like-minded individual!

however, if the #2 has the same pack as an AE #2 but a return speed similar to a #1, the magic #2 might be the "magic" ticket anyway!

Think I'll just leave it as I have a Cougar on order.

[Wraggy]

i have listened to all what you have said and you can now purchase Ghea 1/10th Pistons in sets of 2 :thumbsup:
please check out the new UK supplier of Ghea products

www.p-dubracing.co.uk (http://www.p-dubracing.co.uk)

cheers

wraggy
http://www.p-dubracing.co.uk/images/c8f9b2d67ea7c5168d74dd658cb725d6.gif

[mikeyscott]

i have listened to all what you have said and you can now purchase Ghea 1/10th Pistons in sets of 2 :thumbsup:
please check out the new UK supplier of Ghea products

www.p-dubracing.co.uk (http://www.p-dubracing.co.uk)

cheers

wraggy
http://www.p-dubracing.co.uk/images/c8f9b2d67ea7c5168d74dd658cb725d6.gif

Awesome I'll be ordering #1 and #2 :)

[/tobys]

i have listened to all what you have said and you can now purchase Ghea 1/10th Pistons in sets of 2 :thumbsup:
please check out the new UK supplier of Ghea products

www.p-dubracing.co.uk (http://www.p-dubracing.co.uk)

cheers

wraggy


Nice one Wraggy - keep an eye out for my order :thumbsup:

[cmgreen]

Excellent, just ordered some :thumbsup:

[gazhillAE]

Nice one Wraggy - keep an eye out for my order :thumbsup:

Can i send this bloody brace back and pay the rest towards a pair of No1 and No2 AE pistons and 4 Losi Red GHEA pistons please Wraggy???

Gaz

[Wraggy]

Can i send this bloody brace back and pay the rest towards a pair of No1 and No2 AE pistons and 4 Losi Red GHEA pistons please Wraggy???

Gaz
yes of course you can Gaz, do , you want full packs of AE pistons or half packs? send me ur email and i will send u a paypal invoice

thanks

[mikeyscott]

With the ghea pistons does it allow the use of thicker oils? I.e. if you used 25w with the AE pistons, but would use 30w with the Ghea pistons?

[xchange]

i m not sure, i install the flat on the top or the bottom ?

[flipside]

No, flat side should look up...

Also as with normal pistons, there is no 'best piston'. It depends on the track. The pistons allow you to keep smaller holes (good for landing jumps) even on rougher terrain (where you would use bigger holes). The pistons combine the positive effects of both.

For example with losi: On a rough dirt track you would maybe use orange piston instead of red to handle the bumps better. But then your car will slam down its chassis when landing from big jumps. With these pistons you just take the tapered red version. Over the bumps, shocks will go out fast as with orange pistons, keeping contact with the surface, and therefore handle bumps better. But when landing the jumps, shocks go in, using the non tapered side, giving you the effect of a normal red piston, so the car won't slam its chassis on the ground.

So in my opinion these pistons work best on bumpier tracks with larger jumps. Or high grip bumpy tracks, as almost any track in the UK.


answer was just one click away...

[Foppa]

you want the flat up

[Wraggy]

the Team tend to run the same weight oils Mikey as it doesnt change the actual damp on the compression so gives the same effect , its the return thats differernt to standard pistons . With the ghea pistons does it allow the use of thicker oils? I.e. if you used 25w with the AE pistons, but would use 30w with the Ghea pistons?

[cmgreen]

Just thought i'd say i ordered some and recieved sharp! Many thanks! :thumbsup:

Only fault would be how would you tell the different pistons apart if you mixed them up? As there the same colour.

[MiCk B.]

There should be dots, moulded onto the pistons to tell them apart.

MiCk B. :-)

[cmgreen]

AH, Thanks Fella!!! Now to specsavers! :thumbsup:

[MiCk B.]

No problem, I thought the same when I saw them first.

MiCk B. :-)

[/tobys]

There should be dots, moulded onto the pistons to tell them apart.

MiCk B. :-)

where abouts are the dots on your pistons?

and what does no dots mean?

[Wraggy]

where abouts are the dots on your pistons?

and what does no dots mean?
The dots are on the Tapered side.

no 1 pistons have 1 dot
no 2 pistons have no dots
no 3 pistons have 3 dots

cheers
Wraggy

[flipside]

Don't think there are any dots, I have 3 different types and can't find any dots. Also these pistons are not moulded but cnc milled.

The difference in hole size is easy to spot by eye though. I have losi orange, red and black, and can easily tell them apart. I do keep them seperated when stored them, for convenience :-)

[Foppa]

1 dot = No 1
0 dot = No 2 The holes in the Piston are 2 :-)
3 dot = No 3

[Wraggy]

Don't think there are any dots, I have 3 different types and can't find any dots. Also these pistons are not moulded but cnc milled.

The difference in hole size is easy to spot by eye though. I have losi orange, red and black, and can easily tell them apart. I do keep them seperated when stored them, for convenience :-)
correct the Losi ones dont have dots im afraid but are easy to spot as Wouter has said :)

[flipside]

Hey paul, should the losi versions have dots too? Or am I getting too old and blind :D

[/tobys]

thanks for the confirmation guys :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[flipside]

Ok not blind but too slow... Thanks :thumbsup:

[ghea]

Hi guys,

Soon we have to produce more Losi pistons and it might be a good idea to mark them in some way.
There aint enough colours to choose from so i guess there have to be dots in some way.
Together with the 3 holes there aint much space for any dots,especially not since there has to be four dots on one of them:D
I will give it a try though.
/Ronny

[mikeyscott]

Any plans for schumacher pistons?

[Wraggy]

Yes Mikey we are, have been speaking to a Schumacher driver last week and are working on bringing the Big Bore pistons out as thats the ones they seem to be running. watch this space:thumbsup:Any plans for schumacher pistons?

[mikeyscott]

Yes Mikey we are, have been speaking to a Schumacher driver last week and are working on bringing the Big Bore pistons out as thats the ones they seem to be running. watch this space:thumbsup:

Awesome. ETA ;)

May have a look at the Ghea Losi ones too for my XXCR. What's the improvement on the Losi pistons?

[ghea]

The pistons will make the car more calm on the rough parts and
land after jumps like a wet rag.
These pistons are made in a CNC lathe wich make them wery precise and we are convinced thats important for the handling of the car.

[mole2k]

How would these pistons fit in the 501x TRF shocks? Is there any plan to make any to this size if they dont fit ?

[ghea]

How would these pistons fit in the 501x TRF shocks? Is there any plan to make any to this size if they dont fit ?

Hi,
First i would need some samples to take measure from but maybe there is
some one else out there who knows;)