Surprising D4 price ?

[Jony]

Models in Motion are listing a price for the D4, £286.

http://www.modelsinmotion.co.uk/product.asp?productid=22698

I wonder if this it the "you'll be surprised" price that people were talking about, or whether it's just made up. Surprising in as much as, you'll be surprised that it's about the same as the others!!!

[jim76]

i would say it's actually a lot less than a BX, BJ4 WE, 501X and X10/11.

[pro4nut]

Thats very reasonable, £100 cheaper than the bj4 and x10.
Still a touch more than the Lazer and xx4 but a good deal for what looks like a very nicely made buggy.

[OldTimer]

From what Adam was hinting at thought it was going to be closer or less than ZX5 or XX4 money, i guess it depends on what tune up parts are included one way etc?.

[Jony]

Sure, it's cheaper than the boutique cars (bj4, pred). And I suppose it is cheaper than the 501, BX.

Basically, I was just dreaming that it would be really cheap so that I could afford one :):D:)

[Adam Skelding]

£286 Seems pretty good value for money to me.
Considering how much other cars cost (genuine UK ones of course) not imported without duty from some far off land! ;)

As far as I know there's not much out there that's cheaper with performance to boot.

[OldTimer]

Not a dig Adam, i just think from what you said in the other thread people were thinking it was going to be ZX5 / XX4 (£250) money or less.

[dan_kitty]

sounds a good price to me, although i couldnt wait any longer and have now ordered a bj4we. now just waiting for that to come.

[Adam Skelding]

I know it's not a dig.....

The cost of the car is usually the cheap bit... I'd be more worried about cost of the tyres and cells!!!

[JCJC]

I'd be more worried about cost of the tyres and cells!!!

This is not a dig, but, cost of tyres and cells is the same - any car at this level.

Havent looked at the D4 closely yet, but we added carbon fiber, alloy brace & screws to our ZX-5 which lifted the inital price, still cheaper to run than the yoke special we ran the year before, spares are cheap. Lets see how it goes over the next couple of months, only way to tell if its worth the money.

[DCM]

I think price has got to reflect what is in the kit in the end, materials too, £286 isn't bad as long as the kit is good right out the box. Just don't use the same plastics that is used in the Cyclone 'S' chassis.....

[mark christopher]

cyclone s is a good car aimed at a beginner, this is not looking like an entry level beginers car to me!

[telboy]

when everyone see's one in the flesh they'll think its well worth the price.

[DCM]

cyclone s is a good car aimed at a beginner, this is not looking like an entry level beginers car to me!

I was just commenting on the chassis and the material it is/was made from....

[Adam Skelding]

This is not a dig, but, cost of tyres and cells is the same - any car at this level.

Havent looked at the D4 closely yet, but we added carbon fiber, alloy brace & screws to our ZX-5 which lifted the inital price, still cheaper to run than the yoke special we ran the year before, spares are cheap. Lets see how it goes over the next couple of months, only way to tell if its worth the money.

Correct. My point exactly.
People complain out price of kits. Yet the amount of money people spend on running / racing the car through a season far outweighs the initial cost of a car...

[Lee]

To be honest when i saw the car at batley it looked very similar to the BJ4 WE, its probably not as pretty to look at as its black and not blue but im sure hotbodies will have a "skelding edition" out soon:D

Coming in at under the £300 barrier is good value for money

[Teddy truman]

you didnt get that close to one then because the D4 is covered in purple:)

[mark christopher]

you didnt get that close to one then because the D4 is covered in purple:)
motor mount is black alloy aint it? http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2226 biut i do see purple

[Lee]

Thats what i meant mark, the bits that are blue on the bj4 and the yoke etc are black on the d4

[joffacn]

Hi

I like the colour - understated black with a touch of purple.:)

http://hpiracing.co.jp/contents/hotbodies/cylone_d4/index.html

and the manual
http://hpiracing.co.jp/contents/hotbodies/cylone_d4/Cyclone%20D4.pdf

now where can I buy one quickly?

Jeff

[GRIFF55]

That car looks nice, will the parts be readily available in the uk and what sort of hop ups?

[mark christopher]

That car looks nice, will the parts be readily available in the uk and what sort of hop ups?
form what i know HPI Europe/ mirage will be stocking full spares and options when anounced which means any model shop can get hold of parts.

[GRIFF55]

I saw the car in the flesh yesterday, VERRRRRYYYYYY NICE!!!!!!!
Looks as if it is worth every penny to me, i have a 501x but am still considering giving one of these a go as i was that impressed.

[myk505]

is this car out yet?

[jimmy]

Late this month I was told, so should be any day I guess.

[Ron Burgundy]

A lot of people are making the switch to the D4 fro JConcepts due to the price difference..

I hate saying it but it is the same car essentially but a lot cheaper..

Not trying to offend anyone, in fact am very impressed with the pricing of the D4 and parts... well done in that department

I just dont think JConcepts can compete with the pricing and the parts availability can they?

Not in Aus they cant anyway :)

[Teddy truman]

not having a stab back at you but the D4 is no BJ:). with almost the same setups on the D4 and BJ they handle nothing like each other! i know just by looking at the D4 everyone has come to the conclusion that ooooooo its a BJ but i will point out again as someone from experience its not lol :D

[GRIFF55]

What sort of handling differences are there? I like quite a twitchy car(i know setup could get this) so which is better? I am in the market for one of these two, so any help on decision making would be greatful(non biased);)

[Teddy truman]

well if you like steering my car is not short of that! i am running a oneway in the front as i have always done in my 4WD cars as i like lots of steering but even with a diff it is not short of steering. I am still learning alot about the car as its nothing like i have driven before but i really like it. :)

[BradR]

with almost the same setups on the D4 and BJ they handle nothing like each other!

That's odd. At the Cactus Classic last month, Hara said he was running the "Tebo" setup he found online. :rolleyes:

[Lindsay]

Brad
Adam & Tony are running their D4 cars on English style tracks and doing a lot of development for the European style tracks they are not doing for it for the American Market.

[Teddy truman]

Did Hara run a BJ setup (Tebo's) all the time he was at the cactus? he didnt just use it as a start setup? you have to remember this is a new car and you need somewhere to start.:)

[Adam Skelding]

We all know different people like different set-ups....
I have Hara's from cactus and Hayato's from Yatabe..... the desinger now has ours from EU grass and dirt tracks and we're quickly working to sorting the set-up out..
So far I've been well impressed how easy the D4 responds to small changes... It doesn't bite you in the ass when you make a change...

Personally, I hated one-ways in the Losi... Always snapping them made me take 'em out and suffer the consequences.. After Tivvy. I don't think the One-way will be coming out of the D4....

TT: I have a set-up sheet to send you...

Jimmy: Any chance of setting up a set-ups page... I have pdf's to post????

[jimmy]

My one way isn't coming out of the 501X or the BJ4we either, its just so nice to drive. Harder for sure, but I don't like the numb feeling of a diff up front.

Ofcourse Adam, I will set that up now.

When is the car released?

[Ron Burgundy]

Hara did run the TEBO setup at Cactus which in the nature of things of course will change due to driver etc, if it is a starting point for a driver with the team backing and R&D of Hot Bodies, does that not assume they are very very similar.

Do you not think after the huge amount of hours put in by the Japanese drivers in practice and leading up to the event at places like SoCal, HotRod etc mid week, they would have a "whatever his name is in japanese" setup

There was a D4 recently at our Aust Nationals and guess what, the TEBO setup was the starting point and basis of which ALL D4 setups are based..

[joffacn]

Hi

I have just ordered my D4 from RC-Champ ~ 383 USD plus shipping etc..
Now the wait for delivery and when can I get to Hong Kong from the mainland to pick it up.

Jeff

[tc2k]

Saw one yesterday, damn it looks nice

[gramey]

My one way isn't coming out of the 501X or the BJ4we either, its just so nice to drive. Harder for sure, but I don't like the numb feeling of a diff up front.

Ofcourse Adam, I will set that up now.

When is the car released?
:) Anyone got an answer to that question for the U.K., is it still 1st May as intended?:)

[Adam Skelding]

:) Anyone got an answer to that question for the U.K., is it still 1st May as intended?:)
Expect 1st of May or very near....

[gramey]

Hi

I have just ordered my D4 from RC-Champ ~ 383 USD plus shipping etc..
Now the wait for delivery and when can I get to Hong Kong from the mainland to pick it up.

Jeff
:) Do you have a link for this as I did a search on their site but couldn't find anything from HB only Tamiya?:)

[jimmy]

As a mark of respect toward HB themselves who have offered to help with a review of the car, can we not talk about importing this car to the UK since they have expressed concern in this area.
Sorry guys, so can you use PM for this stuff. :yawn:

[joffacn]

Yes OK -will do Jimmy, great site by the way.
My import is to mainland China through Hong Kong. :)
I am looking forward to your reviews of the RB5 and the D4.

Any one who has built the D4 could they comment on any of the tips in this blog - translated by google.
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhbbuggy-blog.com%2F&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
or
http://hbbuggy-blog.com/

Any more tips in case I can not hold off on building until after the Oople review.

Jeff

[PTRU]

These are all very good tips, Do be careful on building the diffs do not over tighten them. I run Tony's between 1/8 and 1/4 turn back

The car its self is one of the best I have ever had the pleasure to build.

Good Luck with the car

We will be posting set ups on this site once we are all set up.

Phill T

[joffacn]

Please excuse any "noob" questions but this is my first buggy after several Helicopters.

It's amazing how 2mm bolts into plastic or alloy just don't take well to that final "nip up". I have stripped or broken "several".:(

Do you tighten the diff bolt down firm (compress spring all the way) then back off 1/8 to 1/4 turn?

The tips seems to say something about breaking the bolt or stripping the nut.

Look forward to seeing some more setup sheets.

Jeff

[jimmy]

Yes OK -will do Jimmy, great site by the way.
My import is to mainland China through Hong Kong. :)
I am looking forward to your reviews of the RB5 and the D4.

Any one who has built the D4 could they comment on any of the tips in this blog - translated by google.
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhbbuggy-blog.com%2F&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
or
http://hbbuggy-blog.com/

Any more tips in case I can not hold off on building until after the Oople review.

Jeff


Hiya mate, I certainly didn't mean you when I mentioned that - I know you are outside the UK anyway. :)

[PTRU]

correct

[Adam Skelding]

Yes OK -will do Jimmy, great site by the way.
My import is to mainland China through Hong Kong. :)
I am looking forward to your reviews of the RB5 and the D4.

Any one who has built the D4 could they comment on any of the tips in this blog - translated by google.
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fhbbuggy-blog.com%2F&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
or
http://hbbuggy-blog.com/

Any more tips in case I can not hold off on building until after the Oople review.

Jeff

Hmmmm.. not checked that site for tips, but here's mine....

Front Shock Tower: Build with the screw head facing forward. See the pics of my car from tiverton national... It reduces the overhang of the screw giving the ground let to bite at (If and when) you crash ;)

Gear Lube: Use the DIP Orange cap stuff for lubing the gears.. The HB stuff is good, but for ultra free transmissions the DIP stuff is pimp.

Plastic: It's worth buying a 3mm tap for all the plastic bits.. I mounted mine in a old Hudy handle. Use a bit of the clear grease to ease cutting and the build goes much easier and less stress on your hands.

Other than that: Take your time!!!

:cool:

[gramey]

As a mark of respect toward HB themselves who have offered to help with a review of the car, can we not talk about importing this car to the UK since they have expressed concern in this area.
Sorry guys, so can you use PM for this stuff. :yawn:
:) Jimmy, My intention is to buy from my LHS but when the rep called there yesterday he couldn't give a delivery date so I'm figuring if they're selling them elsewhere they must be available, so why no U.K. date?
I'm happy to take Adam's word for it and hang on, after all if it's close to the intended date I havn't got that long to wait now, and he's a damn sight nearer the horses mouth than I am!:)

[Adam Skelding]

:) Jimmy, My intention is to buy from my LHS but when the rep called there yesterday he couldn't give a delivery date so I'm figuring if they're selling them elsewhere they must be available, so why no U.K. date?
I'm happy to take Adam's word for it and hang on, after all if it's close to the intended date I havn't got that long to wait now, and he's a damn sight nearer the horses mouth than I am!:)

Take my word for it..... The D4 will be released very very soon..... Support your LHS and you get much more back in return than from a faceless Internet Shop...

[jimmy]

What if your local model shop is faceless? :D

[gramey]

:) Like me the guy at my LHS is no Brad Pitt but faceless is a bit harsh!, Adam I only resort to shopping elsewhere if my LHS doesn't have/can't get what I need, as I said in view of your comment I shall wait!:)

[gramey]

Take my word for it..... The D4 will be released very very soon..... Support your LHS and you get much more back in return than from a faceless Internet Shop...
:) Adam, Good news when I went to my LHS today as apparently they've received an email saying the order forms are now being sent out. The guy at the shop reckons that they don't send out order forms until they're ready or very near to sending stuff out.
Will the optional parts be available at the same time and if so which ones do I need to get? I was going to order the toe in blocks, wheel hex adaptors, do I need the one way front drive shaft and if I order the alloy rear uprights do I need both sets?
Sorry to bother you with these questions but these are options which I havn't had on my Predator.
Thanks.:)

[Adam Skelding]

Sorry for the late reply.....

Option parts: Should be out same time as the kit. Mirage will have a plentyful supply of parts and option parts to keep you in the running.

Ones to get: This is a tricky one, I'll list the ones I think.. it's not a definitive list, just personal opinion in order of importance... please trim it to your budget.

1. One-Way Diff
2. Inboard toe-in bracket 2 degree.
3. Outboard blocks 0.5.
4. Outboard blocks 1.0.

Hope this helps....

[grindog]

Hi adam, what does this car weigh in at when race ready please?

thanks, john

[mark christopher]

would depend on electrics fitted

[grindog]

i know but adams car has the same electrics as mine so would give me a pretty good idea.

thanks for your help though :eh?:

[Adam Skelding]

Hmmm.
Not checked the mass of the car fully laden....
It was over 1700 at Tiverton. But that was with M3's and Losi Step pins, which are about as heavy as you get...

I'll check tonight and let you know.

[gramey]

:( Bugger, spoke to LHS today and they've order the cars but apparently delivery won't be until middle of the month, doh!:(

[mark christopher]

Sorry for the late reply.....

Option parts: Should be out same time as the kit. Mirage will have a plentyful supply of parts and option parts to keep you in the running.

Ones to get: This is a tricky one, I'll list the ones I think.. it's not a definitive list, just personal opinion in order of importance... please trim it to your budget.

1. One-Way Diff
2. Inboard toe-in bracket 2 degree.
3. Outboard blocks 0.5.
4. Outboard blocks 1.0.

Hope this helps....
adam what springs are you using?
Mark

[Lew]

Ive found one for 180quid. How cool am I ;) :cool:

[gramey]

:) If it's new and not coming from somewhere that may attract the attention of HM Customs & Excise snap it up. Minor problems with CVD pins aside (now hopefully sorted!) I'm well chuffed with mine.:)

[GRIFF55]

Go for it, i'm loving mine too.:)

[BlackedOutCyclone]

hi all, im new here.... im a hb nut.. i race a wce moore speed cyclone

and i want a d4 to race in MOD with a mamba max 5700.... on 6 cells, will the diffs and all handle the power? or will i shread the diffs?

and if i dont race (i race tc more then anything) can i lock up the center for wheelies, or will that just blow the diffs?

[mark christopher]

there is no centre diff?? if you want wheelies buy a hpi wheely king lol

[BlackedOutCyclone]

there is no centre diff?? if you want wheelies buy a hpi wheely king lol




theres slipper:wtf: is what i mean


no i wont.....the wk is dumb, thats what my e revo is for:cool:

im going to race this guy for shure... what i meant by wheelies was, how far will this things drive drain go, before i start frying stuff, i want an idea of how tough it is.....if i do MOD, how long is parts going to last?

[annie_himself]

theres slipper:wtf: is what i mean


no i wont.....the wk is dumb, thats what my e revo is for:cool:

im going to race this guy for shure... what i meant by wheelies was, how far will this things drive drain go, before i start frying stuff, i want an idea of how tough it is.....if i do MOD, how long is parts going to last?
I would imagine the same as the Cycone since, TC's have more traction and acceleration compared to a buggy.

I doubt it will do wheelies unless you have a low geared 7700.

[BlackedOutCyclone]

I would imagine the same as the Cycone since, TC's have more traction and acceleration compared to a buggy.

I doubt it will do wheelies unless you have a low geared 7700.

the cyclone is belt drive tho..... so i cant shred a diff pinion


and it would.... these things have some whicked torque, and im running the 5700..... made a losi xxx s graphite wheelie... thats my friends car..... so idk


but it could be my full time racer now:( my track owner just cut off elec onroad, and is nitro only due to the track locals racing everywhere else, and now theres not enuff ppl there, im soo mad, and kinda sad at the same time cuz i loved that track

but off road, VERY fun:cool:

any set up sheats for it? or a starting point? and how much for it in usd?

[mark christopher]

try looking in the hot bodies/cyclone thread!!
are you in the usa or uk?

[BlackedOutCyclone]

try looking in the hot bodies/cyclone thread!!
are you in the usa or uk?

why would i look in the cyclone thread for the cyclone d4's st up sheat and prices?


and usa

[mark christopher]

why would i look in the cyclone thread for the cyclone d4's st up sheat and prices?


and usa
believe it or not your in the hotbodies thread and there are topics in there re set ups etc

[BlackedOutCyclone]

believe it or not your in the hotbodies thread and there are topics in there re set ups etc


ok then.......................