racing

[stampede vxlboy]

why does it cost to much money for the brca. then when you race £5 every meet plus parts its a joke

[bigred5765]

cost so much,? its not dear and thats to cover you incase you hit someone with the car as well. the race fees are nothing to do with the brca,nether are parts,the only joke is you posting daft comments without thinking them through, then complaining when people rip the p+++ out of you

[NeilD]

It's to do with insurance i think. BRCA members are covered at all race meets against injury ect. The £5 goes to the clubs upkeep and general running.

[Si Coe]

And different clubs charge different amounts anyway. The little indoors club I run at is just £2, Bury's big indoor series is £10 (but some of the money is used to buy a couple of kits that are raffled). And many clubs offer memberships which include the BRCA cost AND give you a reduction on race fees.

Relatively speaking race fees are a tiny part of the costs!

[c0sie]

cost so much,? its not dear and thats to cover you incase you hit someone with the car as well. the race fees are nothing to do with the brca,nether are parts,the only joke is you posting daft comments without thinking them through, then complaining when people rip the p+++ out of you

I completely agree.

Firstly, the BRCA licence fee pays for the "Third Party Liability" that the BRCA licence gives you.
For your information, if you hit someone whilst out bashing (to the best of my knowledge) you are not covered if that person decides to sue you or make a claim against you...so...if you hit someone, hit their car, hit their dog, etc etc you are in the sh#t.
If you are a member of the BRCA you are covered not only at race meetings but also everywhere else.

The reason that clubs charge a fiver or so to race is because most indoor clubs need to rent their halls for the time they race and have to pay for that hall rental, plus the few thosuand pounds they pay for timing gear, carpet, track marking etc.
Outdoor halls either have had to rent the lad from councils/farmers etc or have taken a mortgage out to buy the land they use. They also have to pay for PA systems, trophies, astroturf, laptops, generators etc etc.

You brake stuff cos you crash. If I crash my Ford Escort into someone elses car on the road id break stuff in that situation.

You wonder why you get a hard time after slagging off our hobby? I agree that the bullying of you is not on, but dont come and ask stupid questions and then tell us that our governing body is a joke.

If you dont want to race, fine, bash, bashing is great fun, but dont slate what we do.

[MALLET]

Easy answer. A great quote for you "Sell up and do something else instead"

You only needed to sit back and do the sums yourself, if you had 30 plus people turn up on your back yard you'd charge. Hire a hall out and don't charge anyone and see how long that will last. Don't forget you'd need carpet for the job as well.

Just turn up to your race days/nights and appreciate what they have done for you by giving them your fiver, as if you don't then the club might start going down then you'll have nowhere to race only car parks,back yard or a park area.

Don't forget these guy's run the track and timing gear for no profit.

Regards spares, DON'T try driving so fast and you'll not mess up and break anything.

[Nige]

why does it cost to much money for the brca. then when you race £5 every meet plus parts its a joke


It's not exactly expensive for the majority of people @ £15/year, then race fees on top. Unless you drink lime cordial its cheaper than going to the pub.........its all relative. If you think its lots of money, don't do it.

[rich67]

why does it cost to much money for the brca. then when you race £5 every meet plus parts its a joke
The joke is you chap, putting up silly posts like this wont win you any friends. Just my opinion of course.:p

[MALLET]

I think this is the only way he can get anyone to talk to him. He must get a kick out of it or something..............

[Nige]

It's not exactly expensive for the majority of people @ £15/year, then race fees on top. Unless you drink lime cordial its cheaper than going to the pub.........its all relative. If you think its lots of money, don't do it.

Sorry forgot to put it in my previous post....

Question - if you perceive the BRCA annual membership and race meeting fee too expensive, at what cost would you you find it acceptable

- no BRCA fee and free racing
- just the BRCA fee and free racing
- BRCA fee and £2 each race meet......, etc

[Si Coe]

It must be said though that racing is expensive, at least compared to bashing anyway. Fees and spares aren't really the issue, tyres, cells and motors are. Brushless and Lipo help, but race spec brushless systems cost a lot of money as do quality lipos. Sure they'll last, but its a big outlay.

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't need to cost loads. You could be running a Madrat with a 3500mah lipo, 8.5t Ezrun and Acoms 2.4 radio for less than the purchase price of a Cat SX chassis but even if your car can keep up, you'll feel outclassed. Stood on the rostrum at Southport last weekend I was the only driver in 4wd who's radio cost less than £200! When everyone around you is spending mega bucks, its easy to believe you have to in order to compete.


Edit - Oh and of course there is also fuel costs. 20 years ago there were more local clubs, so you didn't have to travel far and petrol cost less. Today I face a 45 min drive to Bury, Southport or Stockport, which means a fair fuel bill even in the Smart. Going to regionals, nationals etc only increases this further.

[cjm_2008]

why does it cost to much money for the brca. then when you race £5 every meet plus parts its a joke

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[The man from delmontie]

why does it cost to much money for the brca. then when you race £5 every meet plus parts its a joke
Good bit of fishing stampy, you have them all biting:woot:.

Or are you being serious:confused:.

[chris68nufc]

I have to agree with the above posts. I think you need to engage your brain before you post anything!
Go to an off road National 1/10th and you would be happy to pay a bit of money to go towards the BRCA. They all do a top job IMO.
There have always been people on here that seem to get stick one after another and then it seems to die down after a while.You never seem to learn I dont think you are real.Must be a wind up??:thumbdown:

[Si Coe]

Ah, but you are forgetting he is a new driver, so he doesn't go to nationals, or even regionals. I can completely see his point of view. Its wrong, but I see where he is coming from.
Down at the real grass roots level, in clubs with no pretensions of ever hosting a national, where people race on a budget, and the timing is done by the good old fashioned 'push a button when the car goes round the corner' method, the BRCA seems like a distant concept.
After all, if you aren't going to nationals, what good are they to you? Well of course there is that liability insurance - but that in itself is really more important to the club than the individual driver. Most bashers aren't in the BRCA, don't have such insurance and don't get sued. The key point of the insurance is so that if you or anyone else gets hurt at the club the club isn't sued.
Now I understand completely that without such policies clubs wouldn't be allowed to operate in this day and age, and therefore realise the importance of BRCA membership without which no organised racing would occur - but that probably isn't that clear to a first time racer.

And its not just in RC either. Lots of organised sports have governing bodies that have introduced 'competition licences' or whatever they call them with similar insurance, and found a lot of grass roots competitors mumbling about suddenly needing a licence.

[stampede vxlboy]

i am new to racing i only asked why it coz it cost alot of money to race that all and not start taking the piss.

[c0sie]

There is a difference between asking genuinely why clubs charge to race and why the BRCA charges a membership fee, to saying that having to pay the BRCA and race fees is a joke.

I wasnt taking the piss in my reply, id like to hope that atleast the first two paragraphs explain to you why there are fees involved.

This forum is full to the brim of some of the nicest, and most helpful people you'll ever meet in RC, but you need to take a minute to check what you are typing before you press that 'Submit Post' or 'Add Reply' button my friend.

[stampede vxlboy]

close plz racing is a lot of money to put your car on a track and to must money for me. my kids come first i will stick to bashing just as good with your mate bashing with you .

[daz]

i am new to racing i only asked why it coz it cost alot of money to race that all and not start taking the piss.
I dont know why you find it so expensive, i pay £20 a year for BRCA and club membership and £4 a night to race. So thats less than a packet of 20 of your best Lambert and Butlers!
Now that brushless and lipo is well established, its even cheaper once you have the initial outlay sorted.
If you think this is expensive i pay around £200-£300 every time i do a track day on the motorbike:woot:

[cjm_2008]

If you think this is expensive i pay around £200-£300 every time i do a track day on the motorbike:woot:

an average race weekend in rotax max costs me about the same, more if I bend it!

I'm lucky enough to race regularly at a track that has a weird (but great) surface where used tyres are up to a second quicker than new.

RC racing is the cheapest form of motorsport going. max smiles per ££.

[stampede vxlboy]

you must have money to burnt then daz i am not working . its not just racing it all the bits as well like tyres every 4 meeting £16 for a full set of tyres and all the extra bits

[stampede vxlboy]

plz close thanks

[Paulmay79]

I kind of see vxl boys point. I think it was just an observation more than a dig. It is expensive there is no arguing with that. Not club fees and stuff thats the cheap bit its the getting started bit thats the expensive part. But if its too expensive for you then get a different hobby.

[MatJohnson]

Or failing that, don't get the top spec kit too soon, there's still plenty of brushed stuff thats quite good.

[Paulmay79]

Thats true!

[stampede vxlboy]

i got 8 trucks and 2 buggys 1 of them are brushed. all the rest are brushless it all the parts for the buggy as there are no good parts for the madrat back wheel keep put a hole in them and the hex keeps melts with the power of the motor and more lipo battery as all my batterys are 11.1v 5 pack and 1 7.4v pack

[samd]

Concentrating on one car instead of ten will help keep the costs down - its always expensive to maintain more than one car

[Belsten]

i got 8 trucks and 2 buggys 1 of them are brushed. all the rest are brushless it all the parts for the buggy as there are no good parts for the madrat back wheel keep put a hole in them and the hex keeps melts with the power of the motor and more lipo battery as all my batterys are 11.1v 5 pack and 1 7.4v pack

You are complaining about the cost of BRCA membership (£12) and a few quid for race meetings but you have
10 cars/trucks
9 sets of brushless speedos and motors and
6 packs of lipos

WTF ?

[Rich D]

10 bashing set ups would of bought you 2 race setups and enough spare cash to run them for a season or more.

Thin out the collection - you cant drive more than one at a time :thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

i like trucks better like my hpi flux savage my emaxx

[NeilD]

I think the guys are saying if you sell some off and keep your favourite then you'll also have more money as you'll spend less on one truck rather than 10.

[DCM]

not being funny, but they ain't cheap, and what you use to race and bash, are different.

I don't work, but can afford to race, but thats it, don't have any bashing stuff at all.

[daz]

I think the guys are saying if you sell some off and keep your favourite then you'll also have more money as you'll spend less on one truck rather than 10.
Neil D doesnt bash his cars no more, he concentrates more on bashing the bishop:wtf:

[Si Coe]

I think you might be missing the point here.

Reverse your argument and you'll see:

Running 2 cars for a race season costs as much as 10 bashing cars.

which means racing is expensive. 5x more expensive than bashing. Go find a random guy off the street and tell him that 1 car is better than 5 and he'll think you are nuts! Especially when the 5 cars in question include stuff like a Savage (which can do jumps and take abuse far better than our race cars) and a Rustler VXL (which on 3S will outrun our race cars on 2S). You and I both know our race cars are better, but to the uninitiated that simply cannot be the case.

[NeilD]

Neil D doesnt bash his cars no more, he concentrates more on bashing the bishop:wtf:

I'll be round in a bit mate you can help me out ;O)

[daz]

I'll be round in a bit mate you can help me out ;O)
Im at work:p

[NeilD]

Im at work:p

Thats when i usually nip round. :thumbsup:

[daz]

Thats when i usually nip round. :thumbsup:
Lol! Zak will bite it off.

[stampede vxlboy]

will you plz close this post

[NeilD]

Lol! Zak will bite it off.

PMSL yeah he probably would.

[stampede vxlboy]

close close thios post thanks :woot:

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks olz close it

[shanks]

None of your posts should be closed ever vxlboy

Keep em coming !

[super sparks]

please keep his threads open they create so much entertainment lol:p

[stampede vxlboy]

is your name michael sparks from wakefield

[clarey]

lmao

[NeilD]

is your name michael sparks from wakefield

Look at his sig D'oh!

[clarey]

Look at his sig D'oh!

and his location ;)

[super sparks]

vxlboy if you mean me , NO ITS NOT ! :p:p:p:p plank look at my sig im from dewsbury

[shanks]

is your name michael sparks from wakefield

Another timeless classic

L m f a o

[stampede vxlboy]

close it plz i will contact jimmy to close thread

[pugs]

close it plz i will contract jimmy to close thread


you mean contact:)

[shanks]

close it plz i will contact jimmy to close thread

On a serious note we are short on good w**d in these parts - can you help ?

[stampede vxlboy]

get a grip

[Garry Driffill]

I pesonally think that the BRCA fee is small, Well for the amount of fun you can have properly racing. Just think now you can properly enter more or less any type of meeting and be coverd! All of the 'Racing doors' (elec & nitro) have been opend plus just think of all the nice people you can meet trackside too!

[NeilD]

Evening Garry, tatts look good mate.

[Garry Driffill]

Cheers Neil! - Feeling abit sore at the mo but its all worth it! :thumbsup: :lol:

[NeilD]

It is worth it mate just like joining the BRCA. :thumbsup:

[Garry Driffill]

EDIT: I cant leave that there hahah

[lochness42]

Stampy you'll be surprised but here we earn less than people in UK but we have about the same fees if not higher. I even have to pay fees to my local club I'm member of. Racing fees are even slightly higher here. And know what - we are racing. Compared to prices you put into cars it's not that much. And it's much better than driving on the road in front of house alone.

[chris68nufc]

get a grip
Thats rich coming from you!!

[Paulmay79]

Ive got an ansmann x pro and i only use it for bashing and guess what i break it every time i take it out. It just doesnt matter tho its only a play thing for me. If i raced it the story would be very different!!

[stampede vxlboy]

my does break just tyre s with dont last 2 times

[MatJohnson]

What surface are you driving on?

If its a car park there not designed to run on tarmac for any length of time (Unlick slicks for on road). Would it not be possible to find a park or something?

[stampede vxlboy]

i do go to park everyday but the tyres dont last long full spikes

[sparrow.2]

Gravel doesn't do your car or your tyres any good either...

All the kit aimed at racing dies quickly if you use it to bash around. It would be like using an F1 car for your daily commutes and complaining about the fuel efficiency and that it's uncomfortable.

As far as BRCA fees go 15-20 quid a year for insurance and racing is dirt cheap. We pay about twice that in Germany and have less races. Race fees here are also more expensive and we race on dirt so it's a minimum of 2 sets of tyres all round and people still race coz it's fun like.

If you don't want to race that's fine but don't complain about something you haven't really put much thought into...

[stampede vxlboy]

its all the cost of parts for the madrat as the are no good parts out yet and tyres every 4 meeting every 4 weeks full set of tyres

[Rich D]

its all the cost of parts for the madrat as the are no good parts out yet and tyres every 4 meeting every 4 weeks full set of tyres


Sorry dude but most of us guys use a new set of four tyres per meeting. Id be delighted if i got 4 weeks ( 4 meetings ) out of a set of tyres.

Even at club racing, on our smooth polished wooden floor track, if you want to be competitive its a new set of four tyres every 4 RUNS. You can stretch them out to 2 meetings but performance drops off if the track temperature is low.

You cant be going quickly enough :woot: ;)

[Garry Driffill]

If all you wanna do is bash, Stick to monster trucks and things like that if youre worried about tyres! - Keep it on the grass or a muddy feild.

Racing can be expensive yes, If you cant undertake the costs as poor as it sounds dont do it?

[stampede vxlboy]

i am not doing racing plz close the thread plz

[Garry Driffill]

There isnt really any valid reason to close the thread really, From what ive seen alot (a good 70%) of the stuff the guys have posted seems relevent i beleive.

How about touring car racing? - Stock class?

[NeilD]

This is going round in circles now. Stampede you've complained you're skint and a good number of members have offered constructive advice on how to save money whilst still enjoying bashing and also explained why the BRCA and affiliated clubs charge what they do (a reasonable amount BTW), and still you complain. You just seem unable to grasp any points fellow members have posted and now you squeal wanting the thread closed.:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown :

[stampede vxlboy]

all my trucks and buggy are offroad . me and my mates are trying to rent some land to make a track for bahing as its got all the jumps ect on the land. i should know by today if we can have the land. and do what we want with it

[daz]

i am not doing racing plz close the thread plz
If you like closing threads so much, why dont you have a bash at cross stitch. Its very cheap, im sure the CSAC - www.crossstitchassociatitionclub.co.uk (http://www.crossstitchassociatitionclub.co.uk) would point you in the right direction.

[NeilD]

If you like closing threads so much, why dont you have a bash at cross stitch. Its very cheap, im sure the CSAC - www.crossstitchassociatitionclub.co.uk (http://www.crossstitchassociatitionclub.co.uk) would point you in the right direction.

You legend...

[Garry Driffill]

haha Daz thats awsome, I want a go!

[stampede vxlboy]

funny daz :p:lol: