Off-Road National Venues 2010

[CharlieF]

Where should the Nats and End of Season Finals be held in 2010?:)

[bigred5765]

RHR,kiddy,stotfold,southport,ozfestry,silverstones new track,talywain(if it gets smoothed out)broxtowe,

[blitzboy]

silverstone would be a good one for the natioanls as its a new track and looks good too

[Nick Goodall]

EPR?

[bigred5765]

omg how could i forget, yeh nick is right EPR SHOULD BE IN THERE TO

[niggs98]

was just about to say epr :P.

broxtowe was good as well i thought so well worth a look, the track held up well and had good undulations and the jumps worked well

all the astro tracks had their local heros but that is always the same and the tracks work no matter the weather so defo for epr,stotfold,rhr,kiddy. ive heard good things about silverstone as well so must be worth a look.

also havent been to holbeach for a while ;)

[spenner]

Any from the following...

Stotfold, Silverstone, EPR, RHR, Coventry (Grass), Kidderminster, Southport (minus the new astro bits), Oswestry

[PaulUpton]

I would say definatly Silverstone :thumbsup:, EPR, Oswestry, RHR not sure on other 2

Paul

[Body Paint]

RHR, Southport (with the new bits), Talywain (which is being revamped), Kiddy, Oswestry, Stotfold, EPR, Broxtowe. I can't decide which ones should be Nationals and which should be EOS's, if only we coiuld have 8 Nationals :lol:

Maybe Silverstone considered for the EOS's, IMHO the EOS's should be used as a proving ground for a National event.

[ashleyb4]

Tally, EPR, Oz, Southport, Kiddy, Coventry (grass), Robin Hood, Broxtowe.


A

[bigred5765]

Question,why cant we have these dates set earlier than they are now, some people have a hard time booking the dates at such short notice,ie set the dates for 2010 nats before this years end,??

[spenner]

I do agree with Craig regarding EOS being used as a testing ground. So in that case defo Silverstone for National as they had one couple of seasons ago.

Unlike some nationals over last two years.... :thumbsup:

[Jamie B4]

Somewhere that has no home advantage - ie track built on week before, so the winner would be completely worthy.

Oswestry, Coventry grass aslong as no one had been on it 1 month before.

Problem with astro is that it is raced on regularly and advantage is gained through regionals etc

[dbizzle5]

EPR, Southport, RHR, Stotfold, Oswestry and Broxtowe for the nationals. (4 permanent 2 grass tracks) then either Kiddy, silverstone, coventry, any oher new ones for the eos's. Thats my vote:thumbsup:

[pugboy]

Somewhere that has no home advantage - ie track built on week before, so the winner would be completely worthy.

Oswestry, Coventry grass aslong as no one had been on it 1 month before.

Problem with astro is that it is raced on regularly and advantage is gained through regionals etc


Agree in principle but unless it's grass you can't really expect a new unraced astro track at every National. There's no doubt there is home advantage but by spreading them around the country means that that should even out.

Bury for a National again? (if it's not built over by then!)

[Northy]

I think in an ideal word that the EOS finals should all use "laid out on an area (see I never mentioned flat grass there)" tracks as these are one off events and any home advantage effects the results much more.

From a series of 6 Nationals, and home advantage from one track can be levelled out somewhat. :)

G

[njc11]

Im happy with any of the venues that have been mentioned :thumbsup:

Lets just get it all sorted before 2009 is done..

Gives people more time to book time off etc rather than last minute..

Cheers

Nick
:thumbsup:

[CharlieF]

Question,why cant we have these dates set earlier than they are now, some people have a hard time booking the dates at such short notice,ie set the dates for 2010 nats before this years end,??

It's all about a schedule really :
AGM - closing date for National applications - End Oct.
Committee meet to select Nat venues - End Nov/Early Dec.
December given over to selected Host clubs to verify they can meet BRCA spec and Date for the event awarded (i.e.avoiding Euro's and Worlds dates).
Committee publish Callendar guarding against date clashes with other RC disiplines. - Hopefully in Early Jan.

The above can be written quickly but there is no end of verbal back and forth with all sorts of people to finalise the calendar with no clashes of dates.
Regards.

[blitzboy]

also havent been to holbeach for a while ;)[/quote]


yer man would be good i would nt need to camp then hahaha,,,

does depend on what tony jim sue and charlie decide to do with the huge pile of astro turf they ve got :thumbsup:

[Danny McGee]

also havent been to holbeach for a while ;)


yer man would be good i would nt need to camp then hahaha,,,

does depend on what tony jim sue and charlie decide to do with the huge pile of astro turf they ve got :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

EPR, RHR, Batley, Southport, Kiddy (if we can have BB pins back) 3A (if only), Suprisingly i quite liked tally this year, Broxtowe.

[Kopite]

Anywhere that enables you to change the track layout. Grass / Astro doesn't make much difference in terms of local advantage if you can change layouts (for example, you can change Southport's layout loads, spot on)

If you can't change the layout much, it takes the piss in terms of local boys dicking you

So, i'd go for Osfest, Southport, RHR and Talywain, and i'd like to see Coventry/Silverstone (going by the pictures)/Kiddy get a shout, possibly even Bury Metro again (although i'm not sure if that's possible)

Not EPR though

ps - i'd also put a track without a concrete section above a track with one, cos it shags tyres. Nothing is gained from concrete sections at all, other than wrecking tyres

[RSharpy]

Oswestry, Broxtowe, Coventry, Southport, Stotfold & RHR get my votes.

It would be great to have three 'neutral' grass tracks and 3 permenant tracks. :)

[Yardeeee]

Nationals I would like:

Kiddy
Oswestry
Talywain
RHR
Southport
Stotfold

EOS:
BRC/JUN/VET - Broxtowe
F345 - Coventry

Just my 2 cents, I think the EOS on a neutral surface is a must.

[PTRU]

Proline dirt arena indoor final??

would people be interested in this?

[Northy]

Just my 2 cents, I think the EOS on a neutral surface is a must.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

G

[bigred5765]

It's all about a schedule really :
AGM - closing date for National applications - End Oct.
Committee meet to select Nat venues - End Nov/Early Dec.
December given over to selected Host clubs to verify they can meet BRCA spec and Date for the event awarded (i.e.avoiding Euros and Worlds dates).
Committee publish Calendar guarding against date clashes with other RC disciplines. - Hopefully in Early Jan.

The above can be written quickly but there is no end of verbal back and forth with all sorts of people to finalize the calendar with no clashes of dates.
Regards.

if thats the case Charlie why cant it be done a year ahead then,my wife always struggles to get time of at short notice and i know 90% of the people i talk to about it are all in the same boat, it always seems it's done last minuet,and left till after Xmas,most people have there hols booked before then,

[stuartw]

if thats the case Charlie why cant it be done a year ahead then,my wife always struggles to get time of at short notice and i know 90% of the people i talk to about it are all in the same boat, it always seems it's done last minuet,and left till after Xmas,most people have there hols booked before then,

If the successful Host clubs cannot agree with dates offered 6 months ahead, then what chance have we got asking 18 months ahead?
This was one of the problems this year, in that certain clubs couldn't/wouldn't accept the date offered, due to various reasons, not necessarily of their own making, so dates needed to be re-arranged.

[Yardeeee]

if thats the case Charlie why cant it be done a year ahead then,my wife always struggles to get time of at short notice and i know 90% of the people i talk to about it are all in the same boat, it always seems it's done last minuet,and left till after Xmas,most people have there hols booked before then,

A full year ahead? Not many clubs are able to confirm whether they can host an event atall in the next 12 months in advance Carl, let alone what weekend it can go on...

Date finalising and announcements were held up a little last year because of the courtesy of our section in avoiding any clashes with other sections national series so that our racers could compete at more than one if they wish- I.E. 1/10th and 1/8th off road, or TC and 1/10th etc. and not all the clubs could do the dates offered, particularly the April dates, thats why for the first time in a while, the nat series started later than usual in May...

Inconvenient it may be, but surely its better to get accurate dates out a little later than getting them out early and later having to change them because of unforseen circumstance when people have already booked time off...

[Jonesy]

yer man would be good i would nt need to camp then hahaha,,,

does depend on what tony jim sue and charlie decide to do with the huge pile of astro turf they ve got :thumbsup:

EPR, RHR, Batley, Southport, Kiddy (if we can have BB pins back) 3A (if only), Suprisingly i quite liked tally this year, Broxtowe.[/quote]


Danny, I'd thought you'd be all over GRASS tracks, I thought they were your favourite surfaces??

[Jonesy]

My 6 would be:
Kiddy
Oswestry
Southport
Bury Metro (Please wOody and Rog)
Tallywain (the same as last year would be good)
Broxtowe

EOS
Coventry
Silvestone

The reasons for my choices are simple..... It's not that I don't like places such as RHR, EPR and Stotfold it's just I like going to tracks where local knowledge for the 'top' drivers is at a premium.

I know Southport goes against my arguement but I LOVE it there! :thumbsup:

[RSharpy]

Aggree on the EOS finals needing to be on neutral tracks.

One thing for sure, interchangable astro tracks should get priority over ones with only one or two layouts.

[millzy]

I dont mind wha tracks get selected its all good fun and thats what counts

Please to see people putting tally on the list

[Kit Jones]

Stotfold, EPR, Kiddy, Silverstone, Oswestry and either Southport or Talywain would get my vote.

Does anybody know which tracks will definetely be applying to hold a national?

[millzy]

Taly is applying

I would be chuffed if we got another round
but also happy if he had the EOS or F3s

[CharlieF]

Stotfold, EPR, Kiddy, Silverstone, Oswestry and either Southport or Talywain would get my vote.

Does anybody know which tracks will definetely be applying to hold a national?

:) Kit your starting to catch on as to why I started this thread!!!!

[Kit Jones]

:) Kit your starting to catch on as to why I started this thread!!!!


Stotfold are intending to apply for a 2010 national :thumbsup:

[MattADH]

Personally, I don't like these kind of threads as it can easily upset the clubs that don't get mentioned or are mentioned but only for the wrong reasons...

I understand that some clubs appear to have an advantage to locals, but this happens at many of the national rounds during the year. At EPR, there has always grief about home advantage, but the drivers still have to perform on the day. You have to say that Kevin Lee won the EPR 2WD National this year by being the best on the day, yet didnt win at Stotfold which is his local track and where he is used as a benchmark for pace. Grant Williams is another who has emerged as a top driver yet a year ago would have been tarnished with the "EPR local" brush.

There is going to be gains for practicing at a National venue regularly and for me personally, tracks like RHR are ones where I would like to improve upon but the distance is just too far to me to go to. But that doesn't mean I dont want it on the National series - it just makes me want to do better next time! All the venues put in hours and hours of hard work on and off the track as well as the investment to host a national so I am glad its down to the BRCA to choose the venues.

Rant over!

[Nick Goodall]

Completely agree with Matt - Southport was always one of those tracks that if you knew well you'd always do far better then someone trying to learn it in one or two short practise runs...... Same unfortunately seems to go for EPR, Stotfold, Kiddy, Bury Metro but equally these Multi-surface tracks provide such great racing no matter what the weather is whereas Grass tracks just turn to a complete slippery mud bath that's also dangerous for marshalling - Shame there aren't more options for racing under-cover really....

What about Clanfield - Would they be interested in a 1/10th National? No advantage to anyone but that track would be awesome for a 10th National - More like some of the past Euro's Dirt tracks that were always good!

[Big E]

I find the tracks that can change there layout a lot are harder for non locals to learn!!

If for example everytime I went to Bury (not digging at this track) they would have 1 or 2 of the same layouts I would find it much easier there as I would know it from the year before. It's not like I would normaly travel that far just for a bit of practice.

It's 6 to one half a dozen of the other really.

Obviously I go ok at EPR but I don't spend that much time there. I only done 4 meetings over the winter as I'm scared of the rain and 2 regionals I think. Even the meetings in the winter the grip is just not the same..and either way I still lost in 2wd :bored:

To be fair I think the balance of tracks for surface and location have been very good for the last couple of years.

E.

[Danny McGee]

EPR, RHR, Batley, Southport, Kiddy (if we can have BB pins back) 3A (if only), Suprisingly i quite liked tally this year, Broxtowe.


Danny, I'd thought you'd be all over GRASS tracks, I thought they were your favourite surfaces??[/QUOTE]

How can i put this politely...... I cant so i wont bother! Lets not go there again.

You can change the layout at EPR, its just the layout they use are by far the best.

I forgot Stotfold from my list by the way :D

[wacattack]

EOS finals I think should be as geographically central as pos to reduce travelling times for the majority. I think some very good drivers omit themselves from the national series due to the distances involved, but would do the EOS finals if they didnt have to travel long distances. I think travelling further for Nationals should just be expected. Only my opinion of course

[MattADH]

You can change the layout at EPR, its just the layout they use are by far the best.

The trouble is, the basic Eden Park track is showing its age. If it weren't for the original high-quality build back in the early 90s (?), we would never have been able to clean it up again for racing. When I first started, the straight was considered a long one and the small double that is now a tabletop on the far left hand side (from the rostrum) could only just be cleared in one if you had a run up simply because we didn't have the power.

Now we have to run the longest tracks as per BRCA recommendations and even then we are down to 23 seconds or so because of the high speed and grip.

We do hope to make some small changes over the winter though although the basic layout will remain.

[Battle_axe]

what about the Proline dirt arena a totalaly different track to all the grass and astro around and about and its indoors?

[GRIFF55]

cml raceway? thats a damn good track central in the country?

[telboy]

what about the Proline dirt arena a totalaly different track to all the grass and astro around and about and its indoors?


Is it long enough? it looks a bit short from the vids.
I agree that the EOS's should be located centrally for all to get to easily.

National wise, I prefer the 'all weather' tracks....just for that reason really. I hate racing on mud, which is all that happens when grass track get drenched.

How about having the EOS's indoor?, somewhere like MK?

[Battle_axe]

it is quite short but i think the track has allot going for it in its differance from the rest

[RudeTony]

Hi all
Everyone has opinions and most of you are right in one way or another .....
In my opinion from someone that has organised meetings in the past is as follows.....
Clubs should put in effort to support the travelling racers AND do something to promote our sport.
In my opinion and I stress it's only my opinion so please don't jump down my throat....
My priority would be to promote the sport or in other words where the public is - places like EPR - Southport automatically come to mind.....

a) I think EPR and Oswestry did a fantastic job in promoting our sport to the degree that I know there are new racers at EPR because of the National there. I also saw papers advertising the Oswestry National and that is great as well.
b) I think EPR and Southport were the best prepared tracks this year and everyone could see the massive efforts the clubs put in.
c) RHR was a great track but I feel they should somehow get more public there - I am sure they can work it out for themselves how!
d) Talywain has a lot of enthusiastic members and I know they want to better themselves but ditto to above and please sort out the straight - apart from that, great....
e) I can't comment about Stotfold, I was away tanning myself but heard good things
f) Personally I like grass tracks but I am very very old fashioned but an astro track has huge weather advantages.

Finally, we all race on the same track and no doubt someone somewhere will have an advantage....if we all agree with this comment then lets concentrate in promoting our sport through our Nationals (and regional) and make it grow even bigger

My vote would be where there is public to see it all happen
Regards to all

[spenner]

The local track knowledge part of this thread is quite amusing!!!

There are a number of tracks in the UK where local people will go well, but is this there fault ?????

Kiddy
Stotfold
EPR
RHR
Southport

5 of the best tracks in the UK and all of them have drivers who know there way round pretty well. BUT.... what is stopping you and me going to these places to practice ???????

Over the last couple of years i focused on two tracks that are within 2 hour distances to me, and it paid off.

I personally want to race on the best tracks available and if that means watching someone who knows every bump so be it.. A few years ago Cragg, Bradby etc where travelling around and practicing on most National tracks.. Perhaps that is why they are where they are ???

So as has already been said, what tracks have applied for Nationals ???

[RSharpy]

Hi all
Everyone has opinions and most of you are right in one way or another .....
In my opinion from someone that has organised meetings in the past is as follows.....
Clubs should put in effort to support the travelling racers AND do something to promote our sport.
In my opinion and I stress it's only my opinion so please don't jump down my throat....
My priority would be to promote the sport or in other words where the public is - places like EPR - Southport automatically come to mind.....

a) I think EPR and Oswestry did a fantastic job in promoting our sport to the degree that I know there are new racers at EPR because of the National there. I also saw papers advertising the Oswestry National and that is great as well.
b) I think EPR and Southport were the best prepared tracks this year and everyone could see the massive efforts the clubs put in.
c) RHR was a great track but I feel they should somehow get more public there - I am sure they can work it out for themselves how!
d) Talywain has a lot of enthusiastic members and I know they want to better themselves but ditto to above and please sort out the straight - apart from that, great....
e) I can't comment about Stotfold, I was away tanning myself but heard good things
f) Personally I like grass tracks but I am very very old fashioned but an astro track has huge weather advantages.

Finally, we all race on the same track and no doubt someone somewhere will have an advantage....if we all agree with this comment then lets concentrate in promoting our sport through our Nationals (and regional) and make it grow even bigger

My vote would be where there is public to see it all happen
Regards to allAgree on the promotion of the hobby Tony, fresh blood is needed.

The local paper ran an article for the F3's at Broxtowe, I had arranged for the reporter to come down over the weekend as well but the bugger never turned up! :lol:

Was in scrutineering over the weekend and we had one father and son combo ask about our club and hobby which can only be a good thing :)

[PTRU]

Tel
as per BRCA rules its ok. Is a short lap time a problem for you the drivers?

Is this keeping you drivers away?

People who have raced at The Proline Dirt Arena seem to have a smile on there faces when they leave and they all seem to come back, I am interested to listen to your thoughts.

We are trying hard to promote the sport in this area to build up the membership generally and bring new people into the sport. This is a one off venue so we are hitting new problems all the time. If there is a problem with the venue that the Bicester Buggy club does not understand then please let us know.

We would never run a national but we could run the indoor finals.

[David Church]

This is supposed to be a thread about what track to have nationals at....not tell us why you dont like a track!

For me there are many great tracks in the UK, and countless hours have gone into the preparation, so in no paticular order. I do also think they are better spread out, 2 north-ish, 2 middle-ish, 2 south-ish, with EOS central-ish, alot of ish's haha

EPR
RHR
Oz
Tally
Stotfold
Southport
kiddy
Brox
Silverstone

[Jonesy]

[quote=spenner;290721]The local track knowledge part of this thread is quite amusing!!!

There are a number of tracks in the UK where local people will go well, but is this there fault ?????

Kiddy
Stotfold
EPR
RHR
Southport

5 of the best tracks in the UK and all of them have drivers who know there way round pretty well. BUT.... what is stopping you and me going to these places to practice ???????

[quote]


Kiddy doesn't run club days anymore, so no practise there :p :p

[Pownabown]

I would say Ledbury, kiddy or cml raceway.

[Lee Martin]

CML raceway is making a 2010 comeback...although probabley not on the national scene!

[Lee Martin]

heres my 2 pence:

SRS Raceway (arizona)
Lake Park (Florida)
Competition Hobbies (Arizona)
CRC (california)
Hot Rod Hobbies (california)
and i guess a UK track?????? hmmm....

Everyone willing to travel lol

[Danny McGee]

heres my 2 pence:

SRS Raceway (arizona)
Lake Park (Florida)
Competition Hobbies (Arizona)
CRC (california)
Hot Rod Hobbies (california)
and i guess a UK track?????? hmmm....

Everyone willing to travel lol

If your paying i'll come. Still not had the chance to race in the states. Would be nice to one day.

[Richard Lowe]

If your paying i'll come. Still not had the chance to race in the states. Would be nice to one day.
Get your arse to the Clash in December :thumbsup:

[MattADH]

heres my 2 pence:

SRS Raceway (arizona)
Lake Park (Florida)
Competition Hobbies (Arizona)
CRC (california)
Hot Rod Hobbies (california)
and i guess a UK track?????? hmmm....

Everyone willing to travel lol


Another thread maybe - best track (s) you have ever raced at.

The Ranch Pit Shop for me!

[rowley]

Is Batley still available?

[Mossy]

For me :

RHR
Kiddy
Os
Bury Metro
Broxtowe
EPR

Si

[Gnarly Old Dog]

[quote=spenner;290721]The local track knowledge part of this thread is quite amusing!!!

There are a number of tracks in the UK where local people will go well, but is this there fault ?????

Kiddy
Stotfold
EPR
RHR
Southport

5 of the best tracks in the UK and all of them have drivers who know there way round pretty well. BUT.... what is stopping you and me going to these places to practice ???????

[quote]


Kiddy doesn't run club days anymore, so no practise there :p :p


EPR doesn't have any regular club meetings either - :p

Personally, any club who is willing to put in the effort, work and commitment to be at least on a par with our current national and EOS venues gets my vote - local knowledge is total rubbish IMO - if anything, the added pressure of self expectation can cause drivers to try too hard.

Besides, that's the point of a national series - it does even itself out over the season unless of course you've got the funds and time available to become 'local' at each one for a few weeks before each national.

Obviously, being a soft southern shandy drinker whose scared of everything North of Watford, I'd clearly like all six to be at EPR please :woot: - Then everyone would be called a local:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[spenner]

Does anywhere have club meetings nowadays ???? :thumbdown:

Winter series meetings etc... they all count as practice!!! :p

Lets admit it we want the best tracks to race on and sadly there will be people who go well round them... ANDY (shaking stevens) !!!

All i can say is i'm looking forward to next years series..

[super__dan]

Id like Bury Metro to be back on the calender, one of the best tracks around!

[Si Coe]

Truth is, even grass tracks marked out in a field can have a home advantage if you can be bothered. If I know roughly in the field where the track will be, I can go and test there (in an empty field) and dial my car for the basic surface even before the track is laid out.

The solution therefore is as mentioned to spread the tracks out around the country so most people are only ever local to one of them.


Of course this does lead to problems. Lots of people have mentioned Bury Metro, which is indeed a great track, but too near Southport. As a result, by alternating which you run at you can be 'local' to both and have 2 home track advantages. That means that one or other should get a national round, but not both.

[matdodd]

Truth is, even grass tracks marked out in a field can have a home advantage if you can be bothered. If I know roughly in the field where the track will be, I can go and test there (in an empty field) and dial my car for the basic surface even before the track is laid out.

The solution therefore is as mentioned to spread the tracks out around the country so most people are only ever local to one of them.


Of course this does lead to problems. Lots of people have mentioned Bury Metro, which is indeed a great track, but too near Southport. As a result, by alternating which you run at you can be 'local' to both and have 2 home track advantages. That means that one or other should get a national round, but not both.


I see what your saying but you get that anyway?
I'm sure there would be people who would go to Southport & Bury, but I'm also sure there are people who go to Stotfold &EPO so they would have 2 local tracks aswell!

I don't think theres an easy answer to the whole home track advantage thing but I do agree with some comments that the track layout should be changeable.
I know at say Southport on one of the days they run the back section but the rest of the track changes substantially & stotfold although all the elevation changes stay the same the layout is always different because of how they build there track.

We will just have to wait an see who puts in for a national & go from there! We will be there where ever they are anyway;)


The tracks id like to see :

Kiddy
Southport
RHR
Stotfold
Osfest
CML ?
Bury ?

[sly]

? anything new.

[mikeyscott]

Completely agree with Matt - Southport was always one of those tracks that if you knew well you'd always do far better then someone trying to learn it in one or two short practise runs...... Same unfortunately seems to go for EPR, Stotfold, Kiddy, Bury Metro but equally these Multi-surface tracks provide such great racing no matter what the weather is whereas Grass tracks just turn to a complete slippery mud bath that's also dangerous for marshalling - Shame there aren't more options for racing under-cover really....

What about Clanfield - Would they be interested in a 1/10th National? No advantage to anyone but that track would be awesome for a 10th National - More like some of the past Euro's Dirt tracks that were always good!

If they'd loose the big car wrecking rocks!

[burgie]

Does anywhere have club meetings nowadays ???? :thumbdown:

Yes.

Southport have regular club meetings, infact, we run week-in, week-out at either our outdoor venue or the indoor venue. Without the club meetings there would not be a National venue.

[mikeyscott]

With some hard work we hope to get Titchfield on the map for 2010, certainly 2011