THE EXECUTION OF GARY GLITTER

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Channel 4 tonight


Set in an imaginary Britain in which the death penalty has been re-introduced, this drama confronts the possible consequences of capital punishment when Gary Glitter is put on trial.


my view

he may have done wrongs that can't be put right that I'm not bothered about discussing but I think this program should be based on the same or similar story line but using a factious character, unless he has agreed to be the subject

[DCM]

thats a bit too close to real, as we know, there are some people out there who can't differentiate between real life and tv.... think Gary Glitter has been used, as a ratings bringer.

[bodgit]

I personally think alll sex offenders should be sent to the Usa to serve their time in the gay part of the prison. And Im not joking.

[nobby]

I personally think alll sex offenders should be sent to the Usa to serve their time in the gay part of the prison. And Im not joking.
i think they should have there bollocks chopped off and left to bleed to death and i'm not joking:mad:
and i would gladly use the knife;)

or some football teams don't get very big crowds so i have a great way to have a sellout every home game.
wheel out the gallows at half time and hang a few:woot:
now everyones a winner:thumbsup:

[petemid8]

It's fiction so they should use fictitious names. The real footage of him doesn't help either. I know it's not real but some people may not. Otherwise it was well made.

[b4pete]

Best telly i have watched in a long long time, they should all hang!

[nobby]

Best telly i have watched in a long long time, they should all hang!
well said:thumbsup:
you never know today its fiction but tomorrow it may be a reality lets hope:thumbsup:

do people really think these people deserve to have any rights?

[b4pete]

I just cant beleive these things go on.
For once Ann Widicome spoke sense
''The society that we live in, that we chose, where children kill each other, where children are raped''
Bring back the death penalty, the disgusting bastards will stop, and if they dont...they will be eradicated one by one.

Notice how the EU tried to protest.....Typical!

[chris brown]

Anne gets loads of things right in my opinion.
Shes not very popular I know but you always get a real honest answer from her and she is very well informed and down to earth.
Heck, you struggle to even get an answer from some people, never mind an informed or down to earth one.

[petemid8]

But was she expressing her actual views or acting for the purposes of the programme?

[b4pete]

Actual Views or Acting?

I think what she said was poignant, and yes I believe those would be her views.

Go on Anne, you old battleaxe!

[ashleyb4]

b*llocks missed it.

Bring back national service and the death penelty.

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[DCM]

I have talked about this subject with my parents, a few times, and where hanging appears to be good, and my parents grew up with it, they are both against it. Mainly due to the fact, that if the Police get it wrong, and someone is executed, there is no way back, so innocent can be killed too.

[b4pete]

How old are you dude?

[c0sie]

Oh god, a thread full of people saying how they would 'kill em and string em up and cut their nuts off'.

What has happened to this place :(

[DCM]

How old are you dude?

Me, I am 38, I have no problem with the Death Penalty, chemical or physical castration, but only if there is absolutely no doubt as to the verdict. But as we have seen, over the past 20 years, the amount who have been found to be innocent but been imprisoned. Don't get me wrong, I am no woolly liberal, but I am no 'hang them high' either.

What you will end up, is like the USA, people on Death Row, there for years and years, constantly appealing, running up the costs to the country, as the Judicial system will have to way up each appeal, etc, etc.

[c0sie]

Whats a "wooly liberal"?
Am I one of those? lol

[MatJohnson]

Bring back national service

I quite agree about national service. Particularly considering I am too old to do it now :)

[DCM]

Well, here is the conundrum, you conscript people, then you want them to fight, it don't work, that is why, when Argentina invaded the Falkland's and lost, the conscripts just didn't have the stomach for a big fight.

Now, if you were talking on the lines of, you have left school, not gone into firther education, not found a job in 6 months, and have no caring responsibility, then a UK based 'Homeland Workforce' would be ideal, paid more than if they were on the dole, and tasked for doing things, like improving your local community, would be an ideal thing to do.

[frogger]

I did 4 years of compulsory national service and loved it. Jumping out of planes, playing with explosives and guns. Totally awesome! :thumbsup:

Child molesters should be shot. No need to be sentimental. I don't what the big deal is, there are too many humans on the planet as it is breathing and poluting my air so be gone with them. We as humans do some horrible things so ridding the world of one more peado isn't going to make any difference at all.

Death penalty, absolutely. We have 6.8 billion people on this planet already so what if one innocent hangs every now and then in the big scheme of things? If it's really such a big deal then sort out the OAPs dying from cold in the winter and feel better about it.

[rcracer]

so what if one innocent hangs every now and then .

Hope to feck you never become prime minister :thumbdown:

[DCM]

I did 4 years of compulsory national service and loved it. Jumping out of planes, playing with explosives and guns. Totally awesome! :thumbsup:

Child molesters should be shot. No need to be sentimental. I don't what the big deal is, there are too many humans on the planet as it is breathing and poluting my air so be gone with them. We as humans do some horrible things so ridding the world of one more peado isn't going to make any difference at all.

Death penalty, absolutely. We have 6.8 billion people on this planet already so what if one innocent hangs every now and then in the big scheme of things? If it's really such a big deal then sort out the OAPs dying from cold in the winter and feel better about it.

Well, I am hoping, you have said that in jest, but somehow, I don't think you have.

The way things are, now, lots of people get accused but are never prosecuted, some are prosecuted and still actually innocent etc.

Nobody likes kiddie fidlers or murderers, but as a member of a jury, I could find someone guilty, and sentence them to life, but I wouldn't sleep, sentencing them to death.

[Nige]

Death penalty, absolutely. We have 6.8 billion people on this planet already so what if one innocent hangs every now and then in the big scheme of things?

Now how would you feel if due to a miscarriage of justice it was your mother, father, sister, brother, son or daughter convicted, or even you wrongly sentenced to death. Would you statement above then change or heck you still feel that it's ok as we've still got lots of people in the world?

[nobby]

Now how would you feel if due to a miscarriage of justice it was your mother, father, sister, brother, son or daughter convicted, or even you wrongly sentenced to death. Would you statement above then change or heck you still feel that it's ok as we've still got lots of people in the world?
ok don't know if you have kids mate but look at it this way:
someone abuses your kid the police catch him, he really believes (as glitter does) that he has done nothing wrong, but admits abusing your kid, he gets found guilty and gets 5 years.
then when he gets out he gets a new i.d., gets relocated, gets a job and gets protected for the rest of his life when it should be our kids that get protection.
is that ok? i think not.
let them all swing:thumbsup:

[rcracer]

ok don't know if you have kids mate but look at it this way:
someone abuses your kid the police catch him, he really believes (as glitter does) that he has done nothing wrong, but admits abusing your kid, he gets found guilty and gets 5 years.
then when he gets out he gets a new i.d., gets relocated, gets a job and gets protected for the rest of his life when it should be our kids that get protection.
is that ok? i think not.
let them all swing:thumbsup:
i dont think you have got what is the problem here..it was to do with Frogger saying ( so what if one innocent hangs every now and then ) not that child molesters should be let off in anyway.

[nobby]

i do get the problem what frogger said and it is total stupidity,
but this thread started with should capital punishment be used, and what i'm saying is yes in cases of child abuse were the abuser admits what he done, or admits what he done, and doesn't exept whats wrong with what he did.

someone said it was fiction so they should fictitious names, and they have served there time so they should be left alone.
why should these scum bags be left to rebuild there lives, and move on.
i don't imagine it's so easy for the victims.
so do we just tell the victims to just pull them selves together and get on.

[rcracer]

I agree with you totally on that point..take maxine carr she was given a new ID its just b****x , anyone who does admit to the said crime and they are found guilty 100% then yes take away what they have took from others but the criminal justice system sucks in this country.

[Captain-Codpiece-The-2nd]

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[nobby]

we could on and on naming perverts who are sitting in broadmoor hospital costing the taxpayer.
i just think the wrong people are getting the after care.

[DCM]

yes, but the system is wrong, not the justice, in that, no matter what crime, the victim ends with no rights in this. If you can prove, 100% that the person is guilty, then, maybe, but there is never 100%.

As for being a Paedophile, you can be accused, but never actually convicted for it, like that has been reported recently. You only got to be taking pics in a playground, of your child, playing, some other parent could take offence, and report you, your name is on record... where do you stop?

I purposely didn't watch the show, as it would of only annoyed me, but C4 are renown for 'way out there' program topics.

[SlowOne]

Lots of brave words from the comfort of your own keyboards - well done!

Isn't the problem that we don't catch enough people who commit crime? We don't have the death penalty in this country, but we have a 90%+ clear-up rate for murder. As a percentage of population, the number of murders has risen since WWII, and then stabilised at about 700 - 800 per year.

Whilst we had the death penalty, murders continued to rise between the late '20s and 1945. That rise carried on until the death penalty was abolished in 1969, rose to the current figure in the mid-seventies, and stayed there. So, the death penalty does not discourage people from committing crime.

Recent research in China has clearly shown that the likelihood of being caught has a direct relation to the propensity to commit crime. Arrest more people for a given offence (increase the clear-up rate) and that crime diminishes. It is no coincidence that America has a murder rate 10x ours, with a clear-up rate around 60%.

So, what gets my blood boiling is the idea that if we put up more CCTV cameras, we will solve more crimes, and other such political rubbish. I want more police solving more crime with irrefutable evidence that means people are sentenced to be separated from Society for some time. When clear-up rates for crimes reach the 90% we achieve for murder (as opposed to 18% for burglary) guess what will happen to the amount of crime.

Baying for a return of the death penalty is a complete waste of time. Where they have it (USA, China, etc.) they have higher rates of crime for capital offences than we do because they have lower clear-up rates. Less crime is a result of higher clear-up rates, not harsher penalties.

Mind you, I'm also glad I live in a nation of keyboard jockeys, and not one where people think it's a good idea to stand for Parliament!! ;)

[nobby]

unless this liberal thinking government have outlawed free speach then you will find that we all have an opinion.
so you have your opinion and other people have theres.

[c0sie]

Correct, however id put afew quid on it that peoples opinions are changable depending on whether they have a keyboard in front of them or not.

I like where SlowOne is coming from.

/Liberal & wooly - apparently :)

[DCM]

I think, that the country should look at how minor crime is dealt with, personally, and how sentencing is set.

I would happily like to see more use of Community Service, but in a high vis jacket, actually working in YOUR community, not sitting up in B+Q carpark having a burger...

And if you care convicted, and sentenced to a custodial term, the sentence should be the minimum time you have to serve, so not 6 years, out in 3 for good behaviour, should be 6 years if you behave.... then the victim has a much better idea of how long the person is locked away from.

Oh, if you commit a crime, which you get incarserated for, then you lose most of your human rights.

[c0sie]

Human rights...makes me chuckle when murders complain that their HR's are being denied etc etc. Stp moaning Mr Murder and get back to playing your XBOX360 that my National Insurance has paid for.

[mark christopher]

mate has just come back from dubai

one prison, not full, reason they know if they get caught stealing they loose a hand

simple fact is do the crime expect punishment, not some cushy hotel

family member is a prision officer, half the lads in then go out and say see you in a month boss, there soon back, there reason, they know no more and as they put it it easy in there, everything is supplied to a better standard they have out side............ well done to the do gooders:thumbsup:

[nobby]

human rights crap.
how about the guy that went to jail for murder, he done 11 years, but while he was in there he took heroin, and a few other drugs.
after years of drug abuse in prison he had a stroke (oh how sad)
so after he got out he sued the government, and won.
he has just been awarded 1.4 mill

he said if he hadn't of been put in prison he wouldn't of started taking drugs.

bet the victims family feel so happy for him:thumbsup:

[c0sie]

Nobby, you fail to mention that he 'got out' cos his conviction was overturned as he was wrongly convicted, and released in 1999.
Not that I care, cos I dont, but hell if I went to jail and was surrounded by some big hard muscley feckers telling me to take this pill I doubt id have the balls to say no.

Yawn.

[nobby]

so if you haven't got the balls to say no does that mean you should blame everyone else for your lack of guts or better still self respect?
then when it goes tits up expect someone to pay up for your stupidity

[Funkymojo]

It's a good series...for those of you that wanna watch it, you can watch it on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ql8ohiupFc

[DCM]

so if you haven't got the balls to say no does that mean you should blame everyone else for your lack of guts or better still self respect?
then when it goes tits up expect someone to pay up for your stupidity

Well, if you have been wrongly convicted (maybe even innocent), you have gone to jail, your free and independent life is over, your head isn't exactly going to be in the right place to be making educated decisions, careless of what is said. And this comes back to the original topic, if this man had been found guilty and sentenced to death, then a possibly innocent man would of not been terminated, the state would of infact, taken a life illegally, which conjures up all sorts of horrible images.

[philpac]

The death penalty should never be used... apart from the potential of innocents being convicted and killed, prison is there for two reasons, punishment and rehabilitation... society has now realised that people often commit crimes because of reasons other than because they're arseholes, in prison the theory is that you can punish the prisoner for the crime(s) commited, and rehab them to prevent repeat offending.

Now obviously this doesn't always work, but in fairness you don't hear about the times when it does, only the times when it doesn't.

Also, since prisoners are convicted by the laws standing at the time, who is to say that in 10-15 years the ones who you sentenced to death might be found to have broken no laws at all... I don't mean child molesting or murder etc, but for instance say the BNP get in with a sizable majority (not likely) and made being Muslim a capital offence... at least if you imprison them it is reversible... otherwise you could end up with genocide on a scale not seen since a certain german fella killed a few million jewish people.


And yes, I do know I just Godwinned myself!

[nobby]

ok i'm wrong for having an opinion and your all right.

i know one thing some people have said something about keyboard bravary.
believe me behind the keyboard or face to face i would still argue my point.

[b4pete]

Oh how different the country would be if a real Northerner like me or nobby became prime-minister!

[DCM]

Nobody is saying you can't have an opinion, just other people also have other opinions.

[SlowOne]

mate has just come back from dubai

one prison, not full, reason they know if they get caught stealing they loose a hand

simple fact is do the crime expect punishment, not some cushy hotel

family member is a prision officer, half the lads in then go out and say see you in a month boss, there soon back, there reason, they know no more and as they put it it easy in there, everything is supplied to a better standard they have out side............ well done to the do gooders:thumbsup:But, Mark, what is their crime clear-up rate? If it is in the high 90s, then the penalty is a deterrent as people know thye will be caught, and then the penalty applies. If the clear-up rate is low, then crime goes unpunished whatever the penalty. Unless you know the clear-up rate, your point is useless, as it just repeats the completely unsubstantiated notion that people are having their hands chopped off!

Crime in Dubai is rising, despite the punishments. That they don't release crime figures, and we have to rely on reports from the Foreign Office and the US Department of State, is another clue as to their clear-up rate?


Oh how different the country would be if a real Northerner like me or nobby became prime-minister!Er... the last two Prime Ministers were born in Scotland - how much further North do you need to be??!!! ;) :D

Harold Wilson was born in Huddersfield and represented Liverpool Huyton. He did more to liberalise censorship, immigration, divorce, homosexuality and abortion than any Prime Minister before or since! And it was under Harold that the death penalty was abolished. Not sure that profile fits yours or Nobby's posts, so why exactly is a Northerner for PM such a good idea? :p