which car is best out of these 2 cars d4 or b44

[stampede vxlboy]

hi can anybody tell me which car is best out of these 2 cars. for outdoor racing . as i will be doing alot of racing next year as much as possible . and can you get spare parts without order them and waiting for the to come into stock ? if anybody know which car would be best for me to buy ? thanks be nice on you comment plz

[Big G]

I can't comment on the spares situ for the D4, but generally you can get any part for the B44 next day :)

I love mine to bits. With the popularity of the B44 it's rare you'll get stuck at a meeting because you broke something.

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks do you know how old the d4 is ?

[sparrow.2]

Out of the two you have listed the B44 will be the easiest to get parts for.

BUT: You have just bought a Losi XXX4 which will do you absolutely fine for the time being as pretty much every car will overstep your personal ability. I don't mean this as a personal putdown.

You are really making yourself look like a complete muppet as you carry on buying stuff at a rate of knots and not at all getting aquainted with any one car in particular. Forever changing cars will not do your progression as a driver any good at all as you will have no experience whatsoever to go on to get it running right.

Along with the B44 you will also go and have to buy saddle pack lipos as your stick packs will not fit.
Check the for sale section on here. Someone is selling an X5 without shocks, so you could actually make a decent car out of the XXX4 and that. That said I don't believe from the impression you convey over the forum that you will come to terms with either car as you lack the commitment and patience required to set a car up properly for racing.

If you really want to start racing stick with a 2wd as they require less maintenance and you can get away with budget electronics far better than in a 4wd. This advice has been given to you so often that this thread is doomed to becoming another Stampy-Bashfest...

I feel empty for having written so much yet again to someone who has been outright rude to me personally and others but hey.

Dreading your answer

[Chris Doughty]

depending if you intend on being in the top30 at nationals or not...

if not, you will be fine running the xxx4 outdoors or anywhere, just run it and get track time and experience.

you don't need to spend money while you are learning, run what you have and then when you do come to spend money you can make an informed choice, you will also get to see various cars running at the club and be able to see for yourself...

[littlened]

I've been reading these forums for a few weeks yet, and by god how many cars have you got?

I tent to sway with what was said above, if you already have a car why not get yourself used to that first, until your ability out grows the car, then look at another car?

[stampede vxlboy]

i have try my car on a bmx tracks with grass and graver and it was not good at all ? plus not many people use them at all for outdoors but good on indoor track

[b4pete]

i have try my xxx4 on a bmx tracks with grass and graver and it was not good at all ? plus not many people use them at all for outdoors but good on indoor track
I dont think a BMX track is the place to test a car out, especially on gravel, wont it muller it?

[Big G]

I started back racing after 5 years + away from it with a 'found in shed' MR4BC which was great to get back into the swing of things, although finding parts was a nightmare. It got me through the few weeks remaining of the indoor season until I swapped to a T3 truck to go outdoors. It wasn't until many months later I got my B44. About 3 weeks before we ended our outdoor season.

Stick with one car and get it running nicely is good advice. It's much like talking to people who can't do a lap without crashing about a 6.5 motor

[stampede vxlboy]

i have tryed it on a track with grass and it just seem to be not very good at all on grass :confused: and the car is set up very well with a 8.5 and it nice to drive but no good on grass i have tryed diffrent tyres etc

[MALLET]

The grass Stampy will be too long and wet this time of the year. Use it indoors until the outdoors season starts. By this time you'll be able to hone your driving skills and then when you take it outside you'll find that there is nothing wrong with a losi.

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks i will just wait untill the outdoor racing start again before buy another car and try it out

[Big G]

pretty much everywhere will be the same at this time of year. I don't take mine out at the moment and I have a nice bit of grass I ran it on a few months ago near my house.

any car will be the same right now so unless you're off to any meetings where they'll sort the track out stick to indoors as suggested :)

[Si Coe]

Bear in mind I'm having moderate success running a nearly 20 year old RC10T in trucks, and despite having a D4 I frequently run a 10 year old Cat'98 indoors and do pretty well with that too. I'm a little quicker with the D4 most of the time, but in truth I'm the limiting factor not the car..... It will be the same for you. You won't be winning with the XXX4 to start with, but then you wouldn't be winning with a Durango either!

But in answer to your original question - it depends on how cheap the D4 is! Spares aren't that hard to get hold of - not as easy as a B44 at race meetings but practically every model shop has an HPI account. HPI UK's stock ordering is a little poor though so sometimes there are shortages of a particular item (last time it was front bulkheads) until a new batch arrives in the UK.
All that said there really isn't a lot of difference between the D4 and B44 in terms of performance, and given that new and used B44's are normally much cheaper than D4's I can see no reason to get a D4 over a B44. Mine was a good deal, otherwise I'd have got the B44 too.

[stampede vxlboy]

i will just wait untill i can race outdoors and try it then lets hope it ok but the grass was dry when i tryed it out?

[MALLET]

Good lad. This game is all about patience and stick to one thing at a time. Don't start changing springs, oil, camber, caster and pinions in one go. You'll never know what did what for you.

Set your car up to factory standard as the losi team have done hours of testing to get to that set up, so it will work reasonably at every track. Then its just upto you to fine tune it to your driving.

Don't put the fastest motor in you can find. You need to learn the car before you start going fast. Put the slowest motor in you've got and then you'll be able to go around that corner without tipping. Don't worry if other drivers come past you. You have to look at it this way. When you get used to it and you are keeping up with them, then you can turn around and say "ha ha you didn't leave me this round. I was still with you and I've got a lot slower motor than you" Believe me that will give you more satisfaction.

Its not the speed going from corner to corner. Its the speed in the corner that gets you going around a track quickly.

Talk to the drivers at the track and find out what tyres they are on, and its not the winning its the coming home with nothing broken :lol::thumbsup:

Most of all go and enjoy yourself.

[b4pete]

thanks i will just wait untill the outdoor racing start again before buy another car and try it out

Why are you buying ANOTHER car.
The only reason I bought a second car was because its a big drive to the nearest club and I want to maximise time on track, hence 2wd and 4wd cars.

Why dont you just go practice with what you have mate?

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks for all the comment guys i will wait and just try it and find out myself at the end of the day there only my that will know. what best for me at the end of the day . last time i when racing i came 5 place so i cannot be that bad at it :lol: i have take all your comment on board thanks guys

[jhammond]

If I recall from an earlier thread you came 5th out of 5 in the final?


I've lost all patience with you Stampy; you don't listen to any advice. (Surely everbody is slowly realising this?) And you can be very insulting.

Simply put, you're a moron.

[stampede vxlboy]

no there was about 10 people racing mate plz dont comment as your naste and cannot be doing with it all the time thanks

[MALLET]

Lets give him 1 more chance to sort himself out. Then if he messes up then we just do not post a reply to any of his threads.

Lets not make this thread into a pick on Stampy again.

Stampy needs to learn not to reply to posts thats attacking him, but just to laugh it off.

[b4pete]

Stampy im not having a go, but you told people before you never raced?

[MALLET]

He had one race if I remember Pete.

[stampede vxlboy]

i have raced about 5 times now pete

[Col]

Put the losi in a locked cupboard/under the stairs/in the garage.
Do the same to the B4.
Cancel all orders for new cars. You've got enough already if the wife is not racing.
The madrat and your bashing trucks are the only cars you are ever allowed to evn try until the outdoor season starts, or you're racing indoors.
Until then bash, enjoy and forget about racing.
We're indoors at York nearly every saturday, so get down and speak to the racers about help with set-ups.

[b4pete]

i have raced about 5 times now pete
Im returning to this after a loooooooong lay off, and I cant get round the track once without wiping out.
I have chosen my cars, and im going to stick with them and learn how to drive them again.
You need to do the same mate, there are people on here with years of experience, who will be better drivers than we will ever be will just stop helping you.
You need to listen to them, your xx4 is good enough, the only place you will know if it is no good for you is the race track, get to some races and lean both on the track and off. ;)

[stampede vxlboy]

i will do mate it was peole say why did i buy xxx4 coz they are not good on out side tracks people like jimmy76 end of the day i am going on what people said and what i have seen the car on grass andi think the same that all pete . i am going to stick with them and just keep trying to race better with them till i know the car inside out and see what the best at the end of the day thanks

[b4pete]

So where you racing next? York sat night?

[b4pete]

i have raced about 5 times now pete
Raced 5 times since June?

[PaulRotheram]

B4 Pete you need to button this one up, with the thread I closed yesterday because of the poor way you let rip on a reputible model shop, with an attitude of a child, and now your provoking a previous 'trouble' member who is trying to mend his ways.

In my eyes, and alot of others, you are now coming aross as the old stampy!

Stampede VXL, please keep up the good effort, ask questions if your curious but please dont react to members who are out for a reaction.

[DaveG28]

Stampy, to agree with Mallet etc, the approach your now going for is best, of running what you have indoors over the winter and see where your at come spring!

To clarify about the xxx4, it has a reputation for not taking the bumps too well outdoors, but for 99% of us will be just fine! If it doesn't feel good guys at your club will help set it up indoors as a good start point!

Dave

[littlened]

I started back racing after 5 years + away from it with a 'found in shed' MR4BC which was great to get back into the swing of things, although finding parts was a nightmare. It got me through the few weeks remaining of the indoor season until I swapped to a T3 truck to go outdoors. It wasn't until many months later I got my B44. About 3 weeks before we ended our outdoor season.

Stick with one car and get it running nicely is good advice. It's much like talking to people who can't do a lap without crashing about a 6.5 motor

That last paragraph is key. I've been playing virtual RC lately, and with a fast car I've crashing off and getting lap times of over 16 seconds. If I stick with a slow car I'm having smoother laps and doing regular 13 second laps. Although it's only 'virtual', I'd imagine it's very much like the real thing in this scenario.

Edit, also, you could give me my lazer zx-5 or a dex410, and I probably wouldn't be able to tell you the difference, and that's because I'm just getting back into it and don't know the feel of my own car.

[Big G]

if anything I think it might be harder to start now than it was when I got my 1st car (manta ray). It seems everyone has brushless gear and lipos and when I started it was a mechanical speedo and a 540 motor with a 1200 nicd stick :blush:

It wasn't until xmas that year until I upgraded to 1400 packs and a very basic electronic speedo

[pugboy]

The xxx4 is a very good car and has lots of plus points, it's easy to work on and you can get parts for it, and if you look around in the Losi forum there are some standard set up sheets for different conditions and you could get it going pretty well on almost any surface, it's only on the roughest of rough tracks that it seems to struggle a bit. In the right hands though it did well a few years ago in Nationals and even won the worlds (although not on an English type track).

My advice (as someone who is still learning myself) would be stick with it and try to improve your driving up to a point, and get a feel for how set ups change the car behaviour, that is IMO one of the hardest things to understand and get to grips with. ANY car can feel terrible on any track if the set up and tyre combination is not right. Get a set up that feels ok and try to do a heat without making a mistake, and try to improve lap times from there.

[b4pete]

B4 Pete you need to button this one up, with the thread I closed yesterday because of the poor way you let rip on a reputible model shop, with an attitude of a child, and now your provoking a previous 'trouble' member who is trying to mend his ways.

In my eyes, and alot of others, you are now coming aross as the old stampy!

Stampede VXL, please keep up the good effort, ask questions if your curious but please dont react to members who are out for a reaction.

Moderator or not, YOU need to chill out. I talk to Stampy via PM and actually he is an alright guy, maybe a bit understood.

I was only asking if he raced 5 times since June, whats wrong with that, im not provoking him.

If you actually want the full story, I had started to type

''You have raced 5 times since January, what cars did you use?'' , to say, he needed to stick and learn with the one car, if he raced 5 times with different cars. But, Racdeaf walked into my office and I hit the retun key accidently before I finished typing. I came back my my desk, and alas, you jumped in with your post.

As for the thread closed yesterday, it was just getting stupid, hence why I asked for it to be locked. I said I was wrong, and when I receive my parts, Ill call them and apologise for being a Dick.

[PaulRotheram]

Moderator or not? I dont think that matters in the slightest, oople is reknown for its laid back approach compared to other forums, so dont throw that in to the mix!

All of the crap you post is verging on the worst excuses and reasons for covering your own arse i've heard since I've helped Jimmy with this site.

First things first, pressing the return key starts a new line, your required to 'click' submit reply, even tabing only goes to the emotion icons below.

Your excuses for the Mk racing situation were poor, your back was against the wall as you know you were in the wrong and you still use the lamest of the lame excuses for trying to keep your head above the water which was seen as a fail by every one beside your self.

You need less hostility in your posts, you come across as aggressive and devensive in the same posts!

Back on to the topic as per started, any more can be sent via a pm if needed.

[b4pete]

Return key, clicked the mouse, you know what i mean.
Still no parts from MK, going to call them in a min. Just to answer your post.

Anyway, back on topic.

Stampy

You have raced 5 times since January, what cars did you use?

[PTRU]

I agree the XXX4 was not that good on grass we had to make a lot of changes to make it work, Too many to dicuse on this web site.

I would go for the B44 there are plenty of spares and there are plenty of people to help you with set ups. The std car works well on all surfaces.

Good luck to you.

[jim76]

i will do mate it was peole say why did i buy xxx4 coz they are not good on out side tracks people like jimmy76 end of the day i am going on what people said and what i have seen the car on grass andi think the same that all pete . i am going to stick with them and just keep trying to race better with them till i know the car inside out and see what the best at the end of the day thanks

don;t be dragging me into this again. you asked for my opinion on the car (after you bought it!) and I gave you the opinion from a serious racers point of view. Most other serious racers will agree with that view that the car isn't great outdoors on bumpy tracks, but is excellent indoors on smooth tracks.

BUT, for a beginner who has no idea about racing, it will get you round the track just as well as most other cars. Only once you get to a certain ability will you notice the benefit of other cars, so stick with it and learn how to drive/set up a car and how a race meeting runs.

Out of the 2 you suggested i would certainly go for a B44. Better car, cheaper spares and more widely available spares and set ups.

But as previously stated in here, you will need all new saddle packs so hold off for a season until you can drive properly, then take the plunge if you have decided racing is something you like.

[stampede vxlboy]

i am selling the car and putting the money away till next year and buy a new 1 as i have got somebody that wont it and i cannot refuse

[Si Coe]

Given the circumstances that is quite understandable. Racing really isn't going to be your priority for a while and you'll need a few extra quid around now.

You have all our best wishes I'm sure.

[stampede vxlboy]

can i get a good 4wd for £120 b44 bj4 d4 any know anybody selling 1

[littlened]

There was one in the for sale section the other day for £150, only raced 10 times and in imaculate condition, dunno if it's still for sale though.

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34398

[stampede vxlboy]

£120 max as i things to pay out

[brian s]

best bet is to join a local club and race whatever you have for fun,make friends with other members and learn from them.
when you gain more experience you can move on to better faster cars and take racing more seriously.

[reg]

You told me 3 days ago you didnt want my shocks that are forsale because you have just bought 2 B4's for the same price i was asking for the shocks:confused:that would mean you have 3 B4;s,so why not race 1 and you wont need to buy any spairs:thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

it was for my son madrat a got a spare car b4 and used the shock off it
plus its a 4wd i need sorry i payed 20 for a full set of new b4 shocks for my madrat and b4 2 of them
i have got 1 full car of bits all carbon / plastic loads of parts 1 of them is up forsale

[sparrow.2]

Then race that instead of buying something new. You have plenty of spares and a good car.

Please explain why you are hellbent on getting a 4wd now?

[dave g]

i would personally stick to the 2wd b4.

maintenance is almost zero.
its very very strong.
its quick with even a 7.5 brushless and cheap batteries.
its easy to drive and you dont need to keep changing setups,it works just about everyhere.
parts are cheap and easy to buy should you ever break something.

and driving 2wd will learn you more about throttle control and not going flat out everywhere.

[stampede vxlboy]

coz i like them better and drive alot better its me that wanting to buy a 4wd plz dont start been fun with me as i dont need it :)

[stampede vxlboy]

plz dont start winding me up plz read the other thread

[rcracer]

Take a deep breath Simon and read the posts again the guys are just giving you some good advice there is nobody making fun of you

[sparrow.2]

I wasn't. Neither were the others.

You are just getting sound advice from people who have been racing for a long time and know what it's like to start out.

[stampede vxlboy]

i got a b4 but i dont like them at all i like 4wd better drive 10 times better to drive sorry guys i have got a lot of things going on at the moment
sorry guys my head is up my arse

[stampede vxlboy]

it look like i will be keeping it my 4wd drive as he does not want it now i have taken everything out of it as he said he wanted it and i was dropping the car of to his house boy friends

[b4pete]

so are you coming sunday stampy?

[stampede vxlboy]

its to far pete plus i cannot afford it too far mate its miles away

[Dave Dodd]

Out of your 2 choises, i would have to say the B44 but only cos it seems to have a better following yet to look at them they look the same.. but me personally would run a buggy that takes stick packs cos that is what i've got already.
If i had the xxx4 i would be happy they say it aint very good on very bumpy tracks but i dont race on very bumpy tracks.. so sorted..
i race 2wd have done for the last 2 outdoor seasons now i'm racing it indoors.. started with an rc10B3 a lot of people told me it had very aggressive turn in which i adjusted and then learn'nt the driving style to suit. i now only recently changed to a Losi xxx which at the moment is totally opposite to the b3.. but i'm happy with 2wd cos 4wd, different ball game for a start at our club some of the buggies have run 3t brushless (2wd 6.5t, me 12x2 brushed) but we have a various range of brands in 4wd ZX 5's, Cat's, Durga's in 2wd X 5's, B4's, XXX's oh and a Madrat...

yes i know i've waffled on and it prob dont go with the rest but hey :lol:

[jhammond]

The B44 is probably you're best bet... (As advised a fortnight ago.)


Spares are easier to obtain, it's shaft-drive (I know you said you weren't keen on belt-drive.) and they're very popular which means set-up advice is easy to come by.

The only problem is that you'll have to purchase a set of saddle-format cells.



Julius.

[stampede vxlboy]

its going to be a b44 or d4 cant make my mind up as i have 120 max for a new car

[bigred5765]

i would go b44 out of the two mentioned, parts are easier to get hold of lots of people use them, plenty of set ups for the car should be easy to get hold of, and plenty people using them track side help for parts you don't have and set up help, and if you look hard enough you should be able to get one for the money you want,

[jim76]

B44, you have been advised many times for this. It;s far more popular, spares are easier to get and cheaper. And it is generally a better car. One was on here the other day for £120 before you bought the XXX4.

I fully expect you to announce you have a Yoke BX in a few days!!


But as previously stated in the thread, why are you hell bent on getting this now? Why not drive the xxx4 indoors over winter which is what it is good for, then sell it in the spring and get a B44 for outdoors? If you get a B44 now and bash it on BMX tracks and in wet fields it will be totally FUBARed by the spring.

Please take some advice for a change

[stampede vxlboy]

the only 1 time i would test a b44 is when i had set it up that it mate

[chris68nufc]

Can somebody translate the last post?

[MALLET]

Can somebody translate the last post?

Yeah he said he wants a Kyosho :lol:

[stampede vxlboy]

i said i would only use a b44 was when i set it up and test it then put it away till next year

[chris68nufc]

Isnt that a lot of money to spend just to put away until the summer? I cant wait for the Nationals next year. Are you doing them?

[jhammond]

i said i would only use a b44 was when i set it up and test it then put it away till next year

If I were you chap, I would wait until next year then.

[stampede vxlboy]

why when i can get the money know and will not have any money next year to buy 1 then?????

[stampede vxlboy]

Isnt that a lot of money to spend just to put away until the summer? I cant wait for the Nationals next year. Are you doing them? hope so if i pass my car test

[jhammond]

why when i can get the money know and will not have any money next year to buy 1 then?????

I don't quite get how that works?

[chris68nufc]

I was lost, now im totally lost.:lol:

[stampede vxlboy]

i bhave to pay for my mum send off as she died last night that why are you a cid officer or a police officer plz back off mate

[chris68nufc]

If that was me, then no im not a Fed:lol:
We are trying to give you advice but you are past help. Try thinking before you type. Drop the mate thing aswell.

[jhammond]

i bhave to pay for my mum send off as she died last night that why are you a cid officer or a police officer plz back off mate


Stampy... We're just trying to help.

ANY (Non-vintage!) buggy is likely to be cheaper after Christmas. If you're only going to give it a test run before next summer, then you're best waiting.

After all, as you've said, you've got more pressing matters at the moment.


Julius.

[stampede vxlboy]

i need to buy a b44 so it take my mind of thing instead of think about it all the time :cry:

[MALLET]

Stamp I'm sorry to hear about your Mum :(

Its not nice loosing a love one or someone close to you, to cancer. Lots too many friends to cancer this year.

If I was you Stamp I would keep away for the computer and just spend time with the wife and kids for a week or two.

Take care

[mikeyscott]

Stamp I'm sorry to hear about your Mum :(

Its not nice loosing a love one or someone close to you, to cancer. Lots too many friends to cancer this year.

If I was you Stamp I would keep away for the computer and just spend time with the wife and kids for a week or two.

Take care

I'd agree with that, sorry for your loss.

[stampede vxlboy]

if i dont use the computer i will go out of my mind is that ok with you guys

[MALLET]

Yeah bud, just don't rise to anyone Mate as you could end up taking all your frustration out on someone how doesn't know what's happened.

When you write your posts out, just spend a minute to read what you have put before you post it up. With you not thinking straight, the posts are not making sense.

We are here to help and we'll listen to what you've got to say, but I think you'll need to spend a bit of time with the family or you are going to push them away.

Sit and talk to your kids to explain what's happened to their Grandma. It will help you as well.

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks mate i do spend alot of time with my kids and my wife i have got 4 weeks of work so . and i have told my kids gran at gone to sleep thanks mate i know what you mean about typing

[MALLET]

Chill Mate and take it steady. You got my sympathy

[samd]

Best wishes from me too Stampy

[dave g]

i think everyone can sympathise with you losing a loved one,i lost my dad to limphnode cancer in 2005 after a long battle with it so i know how you feel,its horrible and you think you wont cope..but you do,you have to for the sake of everyone else in the family.

you and your family can get counselling if you need it,dont turn help away from people that want to help you,especially family.

[stampede vxlboy]

thanks dave it hard but i will get there i have to sort thing out for my mum send off . but i sorted it all out and thankyou for for understanding

[Titch]

All out speed won't win you races. When i first started I accidentally cut the first hairpin, met the rest of the field coming head on, took myself out and two others in a quality pile up. Car was just too fast for me as a first timer and that was a Bosscat 4WD with a 27single motor and a brick sized Nosram ESC :lol: Personally i'd stick with the Losi that you have, they're decent cars and are frequently up there in national A finals, so they can't be all that bad can they? If you really want to change, then get the cat sx, otherwise as someone else mentioned you'll have to buy saddle pack for ya b44, then again, i'm assuming your running LiPO?, if not then cat nicad's are a 4x2 config so that bit of advice is obsolete..

slow the car down, that will probably do you more good and give you more faith in the losi. learn how all the settings on the car affect the handling.. What exactly is it you don't like about the xxx4? understeer, oversteer?? maybe we can suggest ways of making your car better suited to your driving. a naff setup on a b44 won't be any better than a naff setup on the losi.

[stampede vxlboy]

i have found a car and i am very happy with it

[jhammond]

i have found a car and i am very happy with it



Just out of interest Stampy... What is it?

I'm glad you found something you like though.
:thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

Just out of interest Stampy... What is it?

I'm glad you found something you like though.
:thumbsup:??????? guess mate its 1 of the 2 cars

[Titch]

The D4?

[stampede vxlboy]

????

[MRD]

????

????

[stampede vxlboy]

d4 or xx4 which it the best ? as i cannot afford a b44

[stampede vxlboy]

??? which car is the best for outdoor track #?

[Col]

xx4 is old, but still a good car. The d4 is also a good car. It's down to personal choice really.
As has already been mentioned it makes no difference which one you choose to buy for this week as you'll not be able to drive either car to it's limit, therefore the limiting factor of the car is you, the driver.

[stampede vxlboy]

what are trying to say ? can the d4 take some hammer on the tracks

[Col]

That's exactly my point. A fast car driven by a fast driver will not take any hammer - it'll be smooth and consistant.
There are no bad 4WD cars currently made in my opinion - if they were shit no-one would buy them so take your pick, buy it and keep with it.

[stampede vxlboy]

i am going what would you buy out of the 2 cars and prices of diffrents parts

[Col]

/will to help

[jhammond]

Just out of interest Stampy... What is it?

I'm glad you found something you like though.
:thumbsup:

I thought you said you had bought one?
:confused:

[DanB4]

I tend not to agree with something you PM'd me, that someone told you to get "better shocks" as the losi shocks are no good outdoors and on grass? The losi threaded shocks if set up right are very good and sought after, have you changed the oil? What wt do you have front and back and what springs? You can't just buy a second hand car and expect it to go perfectly on any surface as soon as you just install electrics.....well on some rare occasions perhaps but I last used that buggy ages ago and just as a car for a practice in the park so the car was not set up for racing. Assume you actually checked air in shocks etc? If not then it's a very sweeping statement to say the car handles badly, so would any buggy in that case or am I wrong folks?

[DanB4]

"i have not put any oil in them at all . i will put 35 in the front and 30 in the rear what eles do i need to do more grip etc need loads of grip as there is none"

There's your problem - set the car up, use the right tyres and drive it well.

[stampede vxlboy]

i am going to buy 1 today and get it next week d4

[zackmitchell]

Stampy,

What made you decide to get the D4? Is it just a cost factor or have you got a really good deal? is it new or 2nd hand?

Guessing that you have sold the losi now then?

[stampede vxlboy]

coz it work out cheaper for me to buy a d4. as the b44 chassis cost way to much ?

[coolcars782]

how is the d4 cheaper, the rrp for the d4 is £349.99 and the b44 is £267.99 :confused:

[Si Coe]

Used D4's are cheaper than used B44's. Less demand basically.

[jim76]

FFS stampy, you are such a pain. you make a thread asking which car is better and EVERY person has told you B44 for various reasons, better car, easier to get spares, cheaper parts. You say you have a budget of £120 which will easy get you a b44, then you go and choose a D4 AGAINST all the advice.
Why do you bother posting questions up if you aren't even interested in peoples answers or suggestions? Why not just do us all a favour and go and buy whatever the hell you want and just not bother posting on here.
Although i have no doubt that you won't buy one because you have apparently ordered 13648 cars in the past couple of months, for them all to turn out being bollox. Or if you do buy it you will run it with bald yellow tyres an long wet grass, decide it doesn't grip right or makes a tiny perfectly normal noise and then you will say the D4 is a crap weak car and sell it (or try to as no one will buy cars from you)

[stampede vxlboy]

i have tryed and try jimmy the chassis cost too much money i got told the car is as good as the d4 there not much difference in them ???? parts etc cost same if not cheaper

[Titch]

/will to help

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs220.snc1/8723_137245831043_692351043_3052631_7081251_n.jpg

BTW Col, you down Huntington tonight? I'm going to pop down for a nosey, I'm still relatively new to the area, so be cool to meet someone I've already (kinda) spoken to.. Just need this dam rain to stop now!

[stampede vxlboy]

anybody know who as got a b44 forsale will to pay £120

[jhammond]

anybody know who as got a b44 forsale will to pay £120


I thought you had already bought a d4?
:confused:


Make up your mind! :thumbdown:

[jim76]

stampy D4 spares went up by about 40% because of the economic situation. It is a good car, but very few people race them because hotbodies have abandoned their offroad team in the uk. few shops will hold many spares in stock, they will have to order them each time so you won't get them in a day or two. every shop will stock full B44 spares and you will get parts trackside too as loads of people race them.

you have been told now, several times. so if you choose to get a D4 don't come here wingeing about not getting parts, or parts being expensive as you will get nothing but abuse.

Everyone has told you B44, so take the advice and get one.. You say you don't need one until spring so you have no rush to get one. They come up on here all the time, so just keep and eye out and bid when one ccomes up. use the xxx4 to bash over the winter

[raine]

anybody know who as got a b44 forsale will to pay £120

save your money for a months or 2 and there it is .. your new b44

/close btw -.-

[c0sie]

*yawn*.

PS: On a more serious note, why dont you all just not reply to Stampys threads if he annoys you so much. Im not defending Stampy at all, but you reply, he ignores your advice, you reply, he ignores your advice etc.

Let him do what hes gotta do whilst we concentrate on keeping the fun and banter in oOple amongst those who are fun and banterful within the forum.

/2pence

[showtime]

anybody know who as got a b44 forsale will to pay £120


perhaps this will be of more use to you?

http://www.rosettastone.co.uk/learn-english


i've been unfortunate enough to read quite a few of your posts & i'm guessing English isn't your first language :confused:

at the very least it will improve the way you communicate with people which should go some way towards stopping you giving everybody the hump :)

[stampede vxlboy]

do 1 mate your a arse :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[emtee]

:bored:

[c0sie]

do 1 mate your a arse :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

Actually, showtime is a legend :thumbsup:

FLC :)

[stampede vxlboy]

this person know who he is :mad::mad::mad:

[Kifogrande]

this person know who he is :mad::mad::mad:

What does that mean????

[SimonW]

Maybe Mark should close this thread too !

[stampede vxlboy]

it should get closed as i am so peedoff with people on here

[c0sie]

Yeah, can someone close this thread please so that Stampy can open another thread somewhere else on the forum so that we can go through the entire tedious process again?
Ta muchly.

[stampede vxlboy]

plz close this thread as i will get it closed

[showtime]

What does that mean????


it means i got a badly spelled non punctuated insulting PM :rolleyes:

[Kifogrande]

Why you offered him valuable info on learning English!?!?!

It cant be his 1st language, can it????????????

[Kifogrande]

When i read his posts I do it with an eastern european accent in my head, loads more fun:thumbsup:

[TonyM]

I thought I was the only one who did that - only I use Bill & Ben!!

When i read his posts I do it with an eastern european accent in my head, loads more fun:thumbsup:

[Rich D]

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:thumbsup:

[stampede vxlboy]

plz close this thread as it is getting out of hand again

[b4pete]

Stop bloody starting them then!!

[MChandler]

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:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

:woot:Stampy

[ben]

Stampy your doing everyones tits in now, keep away from your keyboard!

[rob m]

the only thing ive noticed between the d4 and the b44 is on the d4 the support for the front shock tower is a lot weaker then on the b44,and when you get an impact it breaks the gear case,do you still have that b4 you got of si-co? if i was you id stick with that, set it to the manual, set the shocks same as everyone else does,stick around 40grams of weight in front,set speedo to smooth throttle so its not to agressive .thats what i did with mine when i first started racing this year and it works great,

[Huckster522]

I started racing this year also, but I used the xxx4 (which i believe stampy owns one too).

set it up to manual, stuck in a 15t single with £20 esc and went racing every sunday and wednesday until i got my average closer to my best, then started to upgrade with lipos, brushless etc.

STAMPY stick with what you got and go have fun, you do not need to waste money on all these cars.

[rob m]

I started racing this year also, but I used the xxx4 (which i believe stampy owns one too).

set it up to manual, stuck in a 15t single with £20 esc and went racing every sunday and wednesday until i got my average closer to my best, then started to upgrade with lipos, brushless etc.

STAMPY stick with what you got and go have fun, you do not need to waste money on all these cars.i agree, i have a b4,b44 both transmitters must be 15years old, the servo in my b4 about the same age.just make sure your car is in good working order,you have the right tyres for the track/conditions,forget the fine tunning stuff it can take over.that b4 of si-co is a good car i have used it myself.