congratulations Hamilton !

[xx4-nutter]

yea !!!! :D :D :D :D

[ryan]

Well done Garry, i haven't watched it yet!!

[ashleyb4]

Yea well done hamilton

but well done to wurz and sato who where both flying at the end.

A

[xx4-nutter]

Well done Garry, i haven't watched it yet!!


PMSL oOps lol :D

[tc2k]

That crash was horrific of Kubicas. I saw him waving as he was sliding which was a goosd sign immediately. Broken leg, hes out for Indeanapollis

[xx4-nutter]

i know i couldnt beleive it when i saw the tracktor shifting it off the track :o

[MK999]

That crash was horrific of Kubicas. I saw him waving as he was sliding which was a goosd sign immediately. Broken leg, hes out for Indeanapollis

The way his head was thrown about was horrific, I thought his head restraint had snapped and possibly cost him his life.

[mattym0310]

i didnt watch tht crash, how far through was it?? but i saw a horrific crash yesterday when i went to oulton park to watch the vintage sports car club race meeting

[telboy]

yeah, horrific crash, but luckily his head never actually hit the floor which is good, cos it barrel rolled in the air.

Good news for lewis though, kept his head despite all the S.C's. good to see wurz and heidfeld up their too.

Alonso look relativley ameture today, throwing all over the place. some slapped wrist for him I think.
http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/42931_2.jpg (http://www.suttonimages.com/fotoweb/posters/itvpreview.asp?D07CDN1784.JPG)

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[AndyM]

ye, he woz a very lucky guy, it looked quite similar to Ayrton Senna's crash, but with all the modern safety stuff, he woz a very lucky guy

nd well done Lewis! he did very well to keep his cool,

dno wot happened to Alonso tho, he was all over the place :wtf:

[AndyM]

ooops, double post :S

[Medders]

dno wot happened to Alonso tho, he was all over the place :wtf:[/quote]


He looks jaded. Probably wasn't expecting Hamilton to challenge this year and thought this season would be a stroll in the park.

[telboy]

:) Rattled, I think the word is!:)

Probably as much pressure on him now, as there was when he won his championships.......and he's not taking it very well.:D technically, Hamilton could destroy his career.

They were saying before the race that, alonso told ITV that he cant win the race on the first corner.....so what does he do? tries too hard on the first corner....AGAIN!....nearly taking his teammate with him!!

[Garry]

Congrats to Lewis, maybe.....just maybe ITV will give us some non-Lewis buildup and post race coverage now?

And 'Stop-The-Cock'!

[xx4-nutter]

i would love to see micheal race lewis now. I bet now the way hes going he seems to be getting faster all the time, i bet it would be very close...

Garry D.

[Garzi]

Congratulations to Lewis in a strange race...but don't forget guys that he only won a race, that's all ( At the moment he isn't the "new" Schumacher and he isn't the best driver, he's a lucky fast driver.

They are 17 races and it isn't easy being twice World Champion...

Time to time and step by step friends...

[xx4-nutter]

Congratulations to Lewis in a strange race...but don't forget guys that he only won a race, that's all ( At the moment he isn't the "new" Schumacher and he isn't the best driver, he's a lucky fast driver.

They are 17 races and it isn't easy being twice World Champion...

Time to time and step by step friends...


i really dont get it when you can dig at that the guys finished on the podium every race if im not mistaken ? :confused:

have any others done this ? or are they saying he is rewriting the books by what he is doing for a reason ? .... lol i think this guy is one of the best things that has come to racing, shows its not all about the old timers some of the new people can kick arse. :rolleyes:

Garry D.

[MK999]

he was a full second a lap faster than heidfeld most of the time, seconds aren't even supposed to exist in motorsport, you work with tenths and hundredths

[xx4-nutter]

he was a full second a lap faster than heidfeld most of the time, seconds aren't even supposed to exist in motorsport, you work with tenths and hundredths


well said ! lol :D

Garry D.

[_JP_]

Well done Garry, i haven't watched it yet!!

snap been out all afternoon and just watching now, grrr

I should have stayed off the computer!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Lee Martin]

Big up Lewis!!!!!

[Nick Goodall]

He drove an absolutely faultless race, which not many others managed on the day. He had to deal with about 4 re-starts under the safety car alone, talk about pressure and he just handled it like a true pro. This kid is seriously talented, he's got one hell of a bright future ahead of him.

The fact that he could possibly win the championship this year is just amazing.

I honestly think they need to have a serious word with the team that organise the Montreal GP though, we were lucky not to lose a driver and to be honest the track was just dangerous. Have you ever seen so many crashes in one GP?? They all complained that the surface was breaking up in places, and with the amount of crashes i'm surprised there weren't more injuries.

It really spoilt what would have been an even more dominant race for Lewis, and it could have actually cost him with the amount of safety car laps as so many people gained by pitting during these periods, and although some got penalties they were taken away pretty much as the safety car was out again 2 laps later!

All the talk of Silverstone losing the GP a couple of years back makes me laugh having watched yesterday, at least Silverstone is seen as a safe and well prepared circuit - Montreal was a joke!

[losidan]

i thought lewis was excellent..in fact the top four guys i thought who kept there head were the ones who came out on top. Impressed with sato for a change.
i think i heard the commentators say kubicas first impact was 190 mph...."ooo,that's gotta hurt"

[BenG]

:) Rattled, I think the word is!:)

Probably as much pressure on him now, as there was when he won his championships.......and he's not taking it very well.:D technically, Hamilton could destroy his career.

They were saying before the race that, alonso told ITV that he cant win the race on the first corner.....so what does he do? tries too hard on the first corner....AGAIN!....nearly taking his teammate with him!!

lol. Sometimes Alonso has off days, this been the worst, he seems to have had a few this season, such as at Catylunya was it? where he also went off.

I think the rest of the race performance was down to that first corner hiccup, so I wouldn't expect to see him drop down the ranks. Look at Monaco. Lewis has never lost there. Yet Alonso pee'd on his bonfire lol :D

He needs to keep cool. I dont see how he could defend the 2005 race at imola and the 2006 championship from Schumacher yet be rattled so easily by Hamilton lol. Its wierd. :o:confused:;):D

[losidan]

i dont think alonso did too bad, yeah he was off a lot but wasnt he driving with a damaged chassis for the whole race?

[Kopite]

He needs to keep cool. I dont see how he could defend the 2005 race at imola and the 2006 championship from Schumacher yet be rattled so easily by Hamilton lol. Its wierd. :o:confused:;):D

cos Schumacher was a multi-world champion, and Hamilton is technically a rookie still. Different kind of pressure, as he is now expected to win, whereas before, if Schumacher beat him, Alonso would've been beaten by the greatest F1 driver of all time (arguably). No shame there

Hamilton keeping up with Alonso, and beating him on occasion too, is probably really pissing Alonso off, especially cos Alonso is now considered to be the class of the field, and expected to win

[Northy]

[QUOTE=losidan;44012wasnt he driving with a damaged chassis for the whole race?[/QUOTE]

But HE broke it making an error! :mad:

[DCM]

Very true, I think Alonso was completely out-psyched and out drove by Hamilton at Canada. Knowing there there was an agreement that who was in the lead after the second stop would be the winner... Alonso needed to take a punt, and as we have seen so many times, Hamilton out-drove him.

As for the track, yes, one corner was bad, but it was a slow speed corner, Kubica's accident could of happened anywhere... Monaco anyone?

[Elliott Hopkins]

According to my friend who has a lot of time on her hands, the other day Blue Peter showed some footage of Lewis driving model cars on Blue Peter, when he was younger.

Wonder what he was driving.

Elliott.

[telboy]

Exactly, being put under pressure by schuey was easy to brush off if you made a mistake, but being put under pressure by your new rookie team mate is another, that why I say he's possibly under more pressure now. plus he's in a new team and doesn't exactly know where their priorities are ( bearing in mind that they've brought hamilton up from 9yrs old.), he must be beginning to wonder now.

I've been watching F1 RELIGIOUSLY (some times obsessively) for many years, and know that mclaren have some strange team orders, 'pre-race', out of the earshot of the stewards, and one of their most popular rules (orders) is "who ever get to the first corner first wins the race" (removing any unforseen incidents). And I think that this is what order was given on sunday, and alonso tried to get there first and make the race his.

Remember Senna and Prost at Sanmarino in '88? the same happened there, BUT it was Prost who got through the tamburello first but Senna wasn't having any of it and forced his way past his more experienced, world champion team mate, which didn't make Mr Dennis very happy.
Prost was feeling the same presure from his younger less experienced team mate as alonso is feeling......and senna went on to win the world championship that year!!;)

Is that obsessive enough for you?:)

[Northy]

Tel, you are the man! You summed that up to perfection. :)

I am on obsessive too, but not as old as you, and with a poor memory for dates! :D :D :D

G

[BenG]

Exactly, being put under pressure by schuey was easy to brush off if you made a mistake, but being put under pressure by your new rookie team mate is another, that why I say he's possibly under more pressure now. plus he's in a new team and doesn't exactly know where their priorities are ( bearing in mind that they've brought hamilton up from 9yrs old.), he must be beginning to wonder now.

I've been watching F1 RELIGIOUSLY (some times obsessively) for many years, and know that mclaren have some strange team orders, 'pre-race', out of the earshot of the stewards, and one of their most popular rules (orders) is "who ever get to the first corner first wins the race" (removing any unforseen incidents). And I think that this is what order was given on sunday, and alonso tried to get there first and make the race his.

Remember Senna and Prost at Sanmarino in '88? the same happened there, BUT it was Prost who got through the tamburello first but Senna wasn't having any of it and forced his way past his more experienced, world champion team mate, which didn't make Mr Dennis very happy.
Prost was feeling the same presure from his younger less experienced team mate as alonso is feeling......and senna went on to win the world championship that year!!;)

Is that obsessive enough for you?:)

And when Hakkinen and Coulthard were racing at was it silverstone or germany, and they both agreed that if David got to the corner first, he'd let hakkinen through as he was winning the champs.

Think it was like 1998. But dont quote me :D

[telboy]

Haha, beleive me northy, my memory is sh*** at anything other than F1.:o

Ask me what I did yesterday and I haven't got a clue!!:D

It must an age thing, as you get older you forget what you've just done, but can remember things from years ago. It's like your grandparents, they can rmember what they did in the war 50yr ago but ask 'em what they had for dinner.......NO CHANCE!!:D

[Nick Goodall]

Very true, I think Alonso was completely out-psyched and out drove by Hamilton at Canada. Knowing there there was an agreement that who was in the lead after the second stop would be the winner... Alonso needed to take a punt, and as we have seen so many times, Hamilton out-drove him.

As for the track, yes, one corner was bad, but it was a slow speed corner, Kubica's accident could of happened anywhere... Monaco anyone?

Monaco as a whole isn't really that bad though, as the barriers are so close you don't have that time of a car going flat out off the circuit and hitting a wall - it's more like driving a Scalextric track with the barriers all the way around :D

I think the massive raised kerb in the last chicane before the "wall of champions" is just dangerous and unecessary, the tarmac was breaking up and because it doesn't get used during winter at all there's hardly any build up of rubber which results in what i think was one of the worst GP's for a long time with the amount of accidents and it seemed that more laps were under the safety car then anything else, makes it rather a joke really and as i said i think Lewis would have been even more dominant seeing as he built up 20 seconds before that first safety car, he was by far the class of the field for me.

It was a great race for Lewis and he drove perfectly, but it could have really cost him with all the debris on track etc, it would have been a different story if he'd blown a tyre or worse.

Lewis does race 1/8th, and i'm told his brother is doing some of the Nats this year?

[MK999]

1/8th all the way baby !

*cough* >>

:D

[telboy]

Canada has always been 'one of thse tracks' where you get lots of incidents. I think what made Kubica's accident realy bad, was the fact that his front wheels never hit the ground before he hit the wall, so there wasn't much in the line of braking resistance going on. And the angle that he hit the wall too was very reminiscent of Sennas fatal crash. Other than that the rest of the accident was fairly tame, with just bits of car flying everywhere, which makes it 'look' more spectacular.
But F1 has done well recently, without any major crashes for a while.

The reason the FIA moan about silverstone, is because of the pit facilities are not exactly up to scratch, for some reason, and need updating. But I think they are putting a lot of money into it to bring it up to standard.

It'd be nice to see the GP return to Donnington again.:)

[MK999]

Canada has always been 'one of thse tracks' where you get lots of incidents. I think what made Kubica's accident realy bad, was the fact that his front wheels never hit the ground before he hit the wall, so there wasn't much in the line of braking resistance going on. And the angle that he hit the wall too was very reminiscent of Sennas fatal crash. Other than that the rest of the accident was fairly tame, with just bits of car flying everywhere, which makes it 'look' more spectacular.
But F1 has done well recently, without any major crashes for a while.

The reason the FIA moan about silverstone, is because of the pit facilities are not exactly up to scratch, for some reason, and need updating. But I think they are putting a lot of money into it to bring it up to standard.

It'd be nice to see the GP return to Donnington again.:)

The pits at silverstone just back out on to a car park pretty much, they're fairly small and a bit more open to what F1 is used to i think, and on kubica's crash i'm not sure i agree, if you watch the way the guy is thrown around as the remaining cockpit of his car bounces around the place it's pretty nasty

[telboy]

Oh yes, I agree he was knocked around quite a lot in the final moments, but that sort of thing you get with any heavy crash, but normally you don't see it from the angle we saw on sunday so it isn't appreciated as much, whereas on sunday you could see him 'from above' technically, so it gave more of an understanding of what goes on inside the cockpit when they have accidents. Normally you only see things from a low angle.:)

His broken leg obviously came from the impact with the wall. technically drivers feet are just behind the centre line of the front axle, and if you look at kubica's 'safety cell', its smashed almost to the rear mounting point of the front suspension. So he was VERY lucky to come away with only a broken leg really.

[telboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZ7iKXfLXs

Gives you more of an appreciation of the speed the car was travelling!

WOW! just watch the mashalls.......life flashing before their eyes!!:o

[terry.sc]

His broken leg obviously came from the impact with the wall. technically drivers feet are just behind the centre line of the front axle, and if you look at kubica's 'safety cell', its smashed almost to the rear mounting point of the front suspension. So he was VERY lucky to come away with only a broken leg really.He came away with a sprained ankle and drove himself away from the hospital Monday. He hopes to be racing at Indy.

I can live in hope that ITV stops banging on about Hamilton so much now, although I think it's likely to be worse. Got sick of James Allen going on about Lewis being faster than Alonso, while Alonso was behind Heidfeld. I've got nothing against Hamilton, but James Allen going on about how great Hamiltons driving was when he was in the fastest car, while Heidfeld hanging on to him most of the time went totally unnoticed.

Pity Heidfeld, Wurz and Kovaleinen(starting 22nd!), great drives overshadowed by Hamilton winning. Great fun seeing Sato at the end running faster than Alonso, who else would try driving round the outside at the final chicane. If only there was a few more laps we would have seen him take on Raikkonen and pass him for a second time.

Loved Coulthard on the radio:
"The car doesn't turn, brake or go in straight line...apart from that it's great!"

There was one fatality though, my thoughts go out to the family of the beaver that Anthony Davidson ran over.

[Nick Goodall]

You can't expect anything less from the British media or press to be honest, we've not had a world champion condender since Damon Hill and considering most of the F1 teams are based in the UK, and it's so big over here you can understand all the hype around Hamilton, and why they're so excited to talk about him at every opportunity. I think it's going to be the same wherever he goes now racing wise as all the other nations are taking notice and he's going to get a lot of support this year all over.

I'm just pleased to finally see a young British driver giving them all something to worry about, Jenson had the potential but has never had a car good enough for him to really challenge for a whole season.

[telboy]

thats typical uk tv though isn't it. they'll hype it up and then when it goes wrong they'll slate him.

it was good to see how much support he got from the spectators in canada though, so its not just us brits that like him.

wow, sprained ankle, even luckier then.

[Kopite]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6744297.stm

[terry.sc]

I just find the British media just annoying, after all the UK has a World Champion in motorsport. Andy Priaulx has been WTCC champion the past 2 years and currently leading this years championship, yet the UK media have never heard of him.

Dario Franchitti won the Indy 500 (without the performance advantage Hamilton has) but I don't recall hearing about it on the news.:mad:

I've got nothing against Hamilton, he's a brilliant driver as demonstrated in his performances in F3 and GP2 but the UK media were too busy fawning over Jenson Button at the time, they just don't bother with Jenson any more now they have a new favorite.

For all the media hype Lewis is certainly a future world champ. He seems to be a nice bloke as well, although I don't think he'll win the championship this year. What do I know, I tipped Massa for the title but Ferrari seem to have swapped their cars for the Super Aguris:D

[Nick Goodall]

F1 will always outshine any of the others though, WTCC and Indy don't get the interest over here let alone the coverage. I went to Rockingham when the "Cart" championship as it was came over, and although it was pretty cool, after about an hour everyone was pretty bored and uninterested so i'm not surprised people don't really follow it here, let alone the time of day it's usually on due to the time difference....

I like their street style races, but the ovals are so incredibly dull.......

Button makes me laugh, not really been a good move to stick with Honda so far has it? He is such a sore loser though, he's got better but usually he completely slates the car and I hate hearing that.

At the end of the day Lewis will continue to get the same coverage as we all know the way the Media/Public work - i hear Silverstone had a massive surge of GP ticket orders when Lewis crossed the line, what does that say for you?

It's no different to when we won the Rugby world cup in 2003, suddenly everyone's a rugby fan, and with Football the amount of Chelsea shirts you see around this area now is comical.

[Southwell]

The funny thing is Button was one of the guys to help develop the car so it's partly his fault the cars so crap!

[Southwell]

The latest WTCC race in Pau was fab, heres a massive crash in qually, and he walked away!

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=1233

[albertobdq]

Today Hamilton has lost all my respect. Pretty dirty and unfair maneuver in the straight to avoid Alonso overtaking him.

[matdodd]

.....:o

[matdodd]

O sorry just spoted you Spanish!

[telboy]

Today Hamilton has lost all my respect. Pretty dirty and unfair maneuver in the straight to avoid Alonso overtaking him.

..but isn't that racing?:o

Spanish or not, you've got to admit he defended his position FAULTLESSLY! There was nothing dirty about it at all.


As far as I saw there was nothing wrong with the way in which he defended his position. He moved once to defend and RACED Alonso to the corner. Yes it was VERY close and wheel to wheel stuff, but THAT IS RACING! If they couldn't do that then why the hell are they there?:eh?:

It reminded me of Senna and Mansell at portugal (i think), wheel to wheel for virtually the whole length of the straight back in 90/91? to which Senna called Mansell F*****g crazy.:D

I bet if it was Alonso defending his position in the same way then it would be ok?

Sorry but what I saw was some EXCELENT racing from both of them, despite the 'ramblings' they gave each other plenty of respect on the track.

...they are RACING drivers after all......yes?

[telboy]

The passion that put Senna in our hearts will run eternally by our veins

....and for someone with so much respect for Senna, I would hope that you would appreciate someone that can actually race and not be affraid to go wheel to wheel.

[DCM]

Today Hamilton has lost all my respect. Pretty dirty and unfair maneuver in the straight to avoid Alonso overtaking him.

So another driver should let the attacking driver just drive past. He was well within the rules and Alonso got beaten fairly and squarley.

[albertobdq]

Hi misters,

It's not a matter of being spanish, britsh or whatever. I'm not fan of Alonso at all. I believed that Hamilton was an amazing driver since today, he's the best rookie ever.

From my point of view Hamilton did an unfair maneuver changing his direction twice in the straight, once to the right before the finish line and then to the left when Alonso was beside him. That goes aganist F1 rules and it's very dangerous. If Alonso didn't move out both would have crash at 300+ km/h

That's why I think Hamilton was unfair. I didn't like Schumacher bacause maneuvers like this one. Every body can defend his position, that's motor racing, but you'll have to do it being fair and following rules. You cannot throw your car somewhere and asume that someone else would move to avoid crashing with you.

Telboy, the scene between Mansell and Senna was in Barcelona, Spain at "frenada Gran Corazón" (Big Heart braking) in 1992. Better than that one, Prost and Senna at Monza, Prost going straight at the 2nd chicanne because Senna braked so late that there wasn't room for other car. THAT'S motor racing!

Those were the golden years, different cars, different rules, different drivers. Nowadays we have "boring" F1 and overtaking is very rare. Today at Indianapolis we've seen very interesting overtakings from Fisi taking the outer line in the S curves to get the interior on the next one, even touching wheels with Wurz? I believe that's racing, not risking somebody else life performing outlaw maneuvers.

Offcourse I do not expect anyone to let the attacking driver just past drive, that would be pretty sad.

[DCM]

he moved over to the pitwall to defend his line, then only moved out a little to put his car near the racing line, he didn't swerve or weave.

[albertobdq]

As you just say, he moved the car to get a better line, the line other car had.

Well, I do not like this to turn in a children discussion someone saying "yes he does" and another one saying "no he doesn't" :p

For me, from my personal point of view, it was not fair. If I was driving Alonso's car I wouldn't move, if the other car was out of the racing line it's not my fault.

Let's forget about it. ;)

I'd like to see a simillar scene at Monza.

[Lee Martin]

mate,

he won fair and square......

if someone tries to pass me im goin to block the line....

if you want to be the best it the world u got to do what it takes....

he started tp pull away from alonso anyway.....

dnt understand where you coming frm as lewis just ensured he wasnt over taken...

u could say alonso was being the idiot if your goin to say it about lewis...alonso pressured him frm the off intensely trying to force an error....but thats racing. its what you do......and look at the canadian gp.......alonso went off road....why.....cause he was trying to push to hard to beat lewis..

[philly]

At the end of the day, if what he did was an illegal move he would have been flagged or at least investigated by F1. Also at the end of the day...it gets dark.

[Lee Martin]

and you go to bed....

[telboy]

changing his direction twice in the straight, once to the right before the finish line and then to the left when Alonso was beside him

It is illegal to 'block' twice in the same manouvre. Hamilton did not do this. He moved to defend his line, then as you say when alonso was along side him he moved to take the line into the corner. This was not 'blocking' as alonso was along side him. drivers can not weave to stop a car 'getting past'. Alonso was already past (along side) so the move to the right as not 'blocking'.

Blocking is when a car is behind and is being stopped from getting along side.;)

This is what it reminded me of. Sorry it was spain not portugal.:o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHf-Ru9JwRI

[_JP_]

for the first time in years I am watching the qualifiers in anticipation, and waiting to see the GP.

Lewis is doing a super job, he just out drove everyone.
its like the top of our sport, the driving is close but fair, I've seen the best of our drivers touch wheels with people and sneak in, some moves are just sheer skill :)

Alonzo is good, but now he is phased!!

[Lew]

That crash was horrific of Kubicas. I saw him waving as he was sliding which was a goosd sign immediately. Broken leg, hes out for Indeanapollis


Not brokern?!?!

At the US grand prix he was walking fine!?!?

[rcracer]

Today Hamilton has lost all my respect. Pretty dirty and unfair maneuver in the straight to avoid Alonso overtaking him.

;);) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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[Nick Goodall]

;);) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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To be compared with Michael Schumacher already proves just how well he's doing, i don't think he would care to be honest ;)