Im after a 4wd any suggestions??

[Chris Griffiths]

Im after a 4wd car, will be good if it takes stick lipo but if not it isnt a huge drama. So any suggestions?


Thanks alot


Chris

[pat*1]

Im after a 4wd car, will be good if it takes stick lipo but if not it isnt a huge drama. So any suggestions?


Thanks alot


Chris
Touring or offroad?

[cmgreen]

If its offroad i would advise a Associated B44, easy to set up and parts a quite cheap. :thumbsup:

[Bungleaio]

Durango all the way. The best 4wd I've ever had, the initial cost is a bit high but the spares are very reasonable

[Chris Griffiths]

Sorry guys off rd!!! Ive heard mixed things of the Durango, people build them fine and there wrong, people build them wrong thats why they go wrong and that people have no probs atall. all very confusing!!!


Chris

[burgie]

SX's are popular at the club, Chris but you can always get an X11 too if stickpacks are a priority....

[Chris Griffiths]

SX's are popular at the club, Chris but you can always get an X11 too if stickpacks are a priority....


X11 looks awsome i think! Its not a priority ive just bought 4 SMC 50c lipos so would be ideal

[markwilliamson2001]

If sticks are the priority, then I would go for the Cat SX 2. Seems a nice piece of kit, and very popular, alongside the B44 at club level. Can't really go wrong I reckon.

HTH

[TonyM]

Chris - there are plenty of B44's used at the club so always spares available. Also, the B44 has some common parts with your X6>2 e.g. slipper, parts of the diff, hubs and bearings etc.

I have a spare you can try out this weekend if you wish - all set up for Formby - see how it feels.

[Migs]

Tamiya DB01R, enclosed drivetrain, stick lipo, great handling car

[T4miy4 Guy]

Sorry guys off rd!!! Ive heard mixed things of the Durango, people build them fine and there wrong, people build them wrong thats why they go wrong and that people have no probs atall. all very confusing!!!


Chris

Couldn`t agree more!

I`d go with Migs on this one!

DB01R :thumbsup:

Andy

[Chris Griffiths]

Lots of options so far!!!

Love tamiya but parts do my head in.

Im very interested in the X11? Looks awsome!


Chris

[slow coach]

does the B44 take stick packs or the Durango for that matter??

was also looking for a stick Lipo car and its a narrow field, as mentioned the Cat SX, Original ZX5, Pred X11, Tamiya DB01R not sure if i would bother with the cheap version, LRP S10 Blast and Losi XX4 with some mods, Im actually tempted to give the LRP a go for the main reason if i dont like it im not out of pocket loads.

[Mrs.TeamXtreme]

Lots of options so far!!!

Love tamiya but parts do my head in.

Im very interested in the X11? Looks awsome!


Chris

Thanks Chris, it is an awesome car. for more info please visit www.teamxtreme.co.uk

There is a Lipo chassis available too! Let me know if you need any more info.

Have a nice day! :thumbsup:

Yanina

[Big G]

I'd get a B44 tbh. parts are easy and cheap enough to get and you can pick them up cheaply. also due to popularity if you break it and you're stuck it's likely someone will have a spare.

all the cat SX's at our club seem to break diff bolts regularly

durango's are expensive and see to be breaking a lot lately

[Bungleaio]

Lots of options so far!!!

Love tamiya but parts do my head in.

Im very interested in the X11? Looks awsome!


Chris

Pred parts are not the easiest to get hold of either but they are an awsome looking car and very quick when you get it right.

Just out of interest why have you got 4 packs of lipo's?

[mikeyscott]

Cat SX or Cat SX2 when it arrives. Takes stick LIPOs and it has a good support around the UK at various clubs.

[JohnM]

Ive heard mixed things of the Durango, people build them fine and there wrong, people build them wrong thats why they go wrong and that people have no probs atall. all very confusing!!!


Chris

Just build it correctly then, and you'll have the best 4wd car money can buy;)

[Chris Griffiths]

Pred parts are not the easiest to get hold of either but they are an awsome looking car and very quick when you get it right.

Just out of interest why have you got 4 packs of lipo's?


I was doing TC at the time and the plan was to do lots of practise at the track so didnt want to be waiting around for 30-40 mins waiting for a charge etc, plus got a good deal

I thought they would be ok to get from team xtreme? somthing else to look into i suppose

[Ben.G]

Cyber 10b :thumbsup:

[bigred5765]

another vote for cat sx or sx2

[paulc]

if your looking at getting a cat i check to see if your lipo's fit first (borrow someones ) if they are big (high) lipos then they may catch on the centre belt

good car though

[Battle_axe]

i have a losi xxx4 up for sale

[Danny11]

I'd go for a b44 as they are very good and they wont brake easily! also it is easy to get parts and good deals as there are usually a fair amount at clubs

[Rich D]

Hi Chris

Good advice about the Lipo height/CAT SX. Also check the length too. If you are talking about the black SMC 50C stick lipos then they do fit into the SX height wise but you have to dremel a little material from the front bulkhead to get them in length ways. I know this because i did one for a lad at our club.

I have owned the B44 and the CAT SX. In terms of reliability and handling i did`nt find much between them. I do find the CAT to jump a little better for my style of driving ( flies flatter through the air for me )
Theres clearly nothing wrong with the B44 though as Neil and Bradders prove over and over each round at Worksop !

As for breakages on the SX, the only achillies heel are the front 3mm bolts that fix the wishbone hangers to the lower diff housing. They bend pretty easily which stiffens up the front end. its easy to spot. Sometimes the hinge pin might be ever so slightly bent too as a result. This looks to of been cured with the SX2 as they are now utilising 4mm bolts for strength and plastic hangers which should save the hinge pins bending.

Other than these things, i have found mine to be pretty reliable. Some people bend the alloy wishbone hangers on the first SX but you have to hit them pretty hard to do this. Im still on my original set. I do however only run indoors as im a TC racer during the summer :blush:

Hope this helps

PS - what other goodies have you got lurking in the queue for the classifieds :thumbsup: ;)

[spud31]

Cyber 10b its superb great to drive jumps well, strong just needs slipper, but indoors on polished wood i ran bone stock.

[Chris Griffiths]

Haha don't know yet! I'll have to have a look. Think I'm going to keep all my much more legend stuff tho it's awsome!!!

I'm still liking the look of the pred x11, but cat sx2 sounds good!!!


Chris

[mark christopher]

Just build it correctly then, and you'll have the best 4wd car money can buy;)

Haha don't know yet! I'll have to have a look. Think I'm going to keep all my much more legend stuff tho it's awsome!!!

I'm still liking the look of the pred x11, but cat sx2 sounds good!!!


Chris


chris im going to say this how i see it

1/ your not short of cash
2/ your a newbie to bulding running off road ( though you have exerience with 8th offroad and diffs)
3/ you like to have the best (even tho you dont keep em long :p )


you have a top line and one of the most expensive 2wd cars.

my recomendation fisrt would be to see whats popular and goes well

last worksop, 6 durangos in the A
trackside shop has spares for durango and cat
bally has spares for durango and cat

i have seen many cats break and my team mate ( average driver) can break it lots
i dont see many x11 on tracks or at worksop or spares at the track shop or bally's
(remember ALL car break)

me (average driver) kick the living crap out of my durango and have fail to finish two runs ( pin on cvd (before i built em as dave G tip another i killed another car and knocked off my track rod)

if i were you i would get a durango, either the R or full blown, get a couple of saddles and sell a couple of sticks.
durango is best ive ever had strong and reliable, the next batch i believe have some upgraded parts too.

best advice i can give

[Chris Griffiths]

Cheers Mark top advice!

The durango is appealing tho. Ill look around online see what is the best price but when is new batch out?

Chris

[Al3xis007]

have a go of as many ppl's cars as you can to get one that suits u, u can get bits for and with stick lipo

cat sx has gotta be up there with the stick lay out, the sx2 is just a polished sx with the new shot-gun-shocks (not the official name) and a few more bits so you might be able to pick up an sx cheap

[brooksy]

If your going to look at prices I think you'll find the dex and pred are about the same. I was all for buying a pred before I came on here and asked a few about it. Preds have been around for years and still the availability of parts is not very good(I don't know of many model shops that stock spares). Also,the price of the parts is a big put-off aswell(a lot dearer than any other manufacturer).
The other thing I've seen on here is people ordering car kits and not receiving them for best part of two months!.

Now take the dex, car has only been out a few months and there is FULL availability of kits and parts(parts also very cheap!).
Adam Skelding will also help you as much as possible as regards any probs you have,ie set-ups and parts.

As Mark said earlier,the car is pretty much bullet proof and a winner straight out of the box, no need for any hop-ups to make it perform.

Durngo all the way!!!!:thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

Cheers Mark top advice!

The durango is appealing tho. Ill look around online see what is the best price but when is new batch out?

Chris
pretty sure the older batches are now gone

[slow coach]

If your going to look at prices I think you'll find the dex and pred are about the same.

Pred X11 £340
Durango £450

fairly close on price

[Dunc]

The prices shown on the Team Xtreme web shop are excluding VAT - so a new X11-08 is ~ £400.

Pred X11 £340
Durango £450

fairly close on price

[brooksy]

I was told by a now former team driver that the new kit with the stick chassis and big bore shocks,orange steering arms was nearer £440.
I was also tol that the prices on the pred site do not include vat!.

[brooksy]

Damn,you beat me too it Dunc:p:thumbsup:

[Dunc]

Yes, the orange steering links (for revised ackermann) cost a further £40.

EDIT: Sorry Brooksy! :D

I was told by a now former team driver that the new kit with the stick chassis and big bore shocks,orange steering arms was nearer £440.
I was also tol that the prices on the pred site do not include vat!.

[brooksy]

No probs Dunc:thumbsup:

[Tom3012]

Hi chris, i should be at formby this week, ill bring my pred x11 with me and you can have a look, possibly a drive if its running!

Thing is, people will say get this, get that but often its get this (i drive it its the best) sort of thing, all meant well though!

Feel free to ask me any questions you want to about the pred:thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

Hi chris, i should be at formby this week, ill bring my pred x11 with me and you can have a look, possibly a drive if its running!

Thing is, people will say get this, get that but often its get this (i drive it its the best) sort of thing, all meant well though!

Feel free to ask me any questions you want to about the pred:thumbsup:



or who your sponsored by, like you!

im not sponsored by durango, i recomend it on spares availability and how good it is.
spares are brilliant prices too, but as most my spares are still in thier packets!

[LEE-HO]

Take a look at BMAX4. Parts are hard to get in UK but are hard to break. Start New from £165 up. They take saddles and I race one at Southport. If you wont to see how well they go Take a look at Woody's at Burys next indoor meeting.

[Smartalec]

I've just sold my Durango to a mate, it wasn't because I didn't like it, the car was awesome but I wanted to try the TRF511. In recent months i've had the CAT SX, B44, Durango and now the TRF. The easiest to drive of all was the B44 (with Losi shocks), it does exactly what you want it to do. I hated the CAT but that's down to preference (we didn't suit each other). The Durango was excellent and the only problem I had was leaking diffs (i'm told if you build them right they don't leak ......... I bought the car from Griff so it's his fault they leaked LOL). I sold it to a mate who wanted one badly and got the TRF511. It's early doors yet with the Tamiya but it felt realy good first time out at the weekend so hopefully i'll keep it LOL .

If I was forced to keep one forever it would probably be the B44 because it's bullet proof and does everything you want ............ and above all that it's the cheapest by a mile to buy and to run :thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

Hi chris, i should be at formby this week, ill bring my pred x11 with me and you can have a look, possibly a drive if its running!

Thing is, people will say get this, get that but often its get this (i drive it its the best) sort of thing, all meant well though!

Feel free to ask me any questions you want to about the pred:thumbsup:
could also check out the durango R

[Mrs.TeamXtreme]

Quote by Brooksy: (I don't know of many model shops that stock spares). Also,the price of the parts is a big put-off aswell(a lot dearer than any other manufacturer).

I[COLOR="DarkOrange"] don't think the price of spares is a lot dearer than any other manufacturer, you have to remember all our products are made in the U.K so we can maintain high quality and standards. It also keeps the Pred 100% British - not something you see often nowadays.
:thumbsup:

[brooksy]

Don't get me wrong,I think the pred is a brilliant car and I would have had one had parts availability been better than it is. I've spoken on here to a few of your team drivers like Tom,and i would have to say they were very helpfull with all the questions I asked but when a car has been around as long as the pred has you would expect parts to be more redily available. Forgive me if I'm wrong but this car is the best part of twenty years old now and while the car itself has improved the backup on parts is still a way behind other manufacturers!.

As regards prices of parts,a set of front wishbones for a pred is around £16+vat on your site. Td front wishbones on there site £6.13.

[slow coach]

Don't get me wrong,I think the pred is a brilliant car and I would have had one had parts availability been better than it is. I've spoken on here to a few of your team drivers like Tom,and i would have to say they were very helpfull with all the questions I asked but when a car has been around as long as the pred has you would expect parts to be more redily available. Forgive me if I'm wrong but this car is the best part of twenty years old now and while the car itself has improved the backup on parts is still a way behind other manufacturers!.

As regards prices of parts,a set of front wishbones for a pred is around £16+vat on your site. Td front wishbones on there site £6.13.

I must be missing a trick here somewhere cause front wishbones for the pred £8.50 and as stated on the site includes 2, not obvious i know but theres nowhere that it states if vat is added or not which could be misleading, but vat aside your price quote is way off

[brooksy]

Slow coach,if you look carefully on the pred site you will see that the 8.50 is for the upper fronts only. Add onto that the "lower fronts" at 8 quid!. That by my adding up is 16.50.

Anyway, back to the main point on this thread. Chris, I think the best thing you could do is go to your local club,ask as many questions as you can think of and also ask if you could have a go(I'm sure most people wouldn't mine letting you have a quick try!) then make your own mind up.:thumbsup:

That's me done on the subject now. Good luck with whatever car you choose,and most importantly,enjoy your racing!!!!:thumbsup:
.

[slow coach]

thats a fair point but most people will refer to front wishbones as being the lower pair so in effect you are misleading with your post, however you have corrected that by telling everyone that its now £16.50 for a full set of front wishbone upper and lower.

as for the rest spot on have a look whats running local and go from there, no substitute for input form others to help out with new cars :thumbsup:

p.s. im not a Pred driver still looking into 4wd again for this summer not really raced it properly for years, my last outing was with my dads old cat 2000 original version (the best) but its a bit beaten up, but with a bit of tlc im sure it would be fine for my level of club racing, but i like building new kits :woot: who doesnt.

[bondy]

LRP S10 BLAST !!!! Yeah Babay Yeah !!!!:thumbsup:

[Chris Griffiths]

Cheers for all your input guys!


Ill have a good think about what I do.


Thank you very much


Chris

[JohnM]

It also keeps the Pred 100% British - not something you see often nowadays.
:thumbsup:

Sadly, I'm not so sure that's something to be proud of anymore:(

[Alfonzo]

Of course it is John!