Is 1:10 Off Road Still a Non Contact Sport

[LEE-HO]

Is 1:10 Off road racing still a non contact sport. In the late 80 and early 90s I would say yes.

But now with brushless systems and Lipo's is this still the case with all car's being very fast. And how many drivers still know that It is a non contact sport.

Please note I have not added this post to slag people off but to see how many people are aware that 1:10 off road racing was and still should be as much as possible non contact.

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[Steve.T]

Your point is well made but I have been racing for 26 years and not noticed any more contact now than before.

[wacattack]

what a random post

[Beanie]

Rubbing is racing :p

It seems to be pretty much encouraged with the SC trucks!!:woot:

[blue_pinky]

The SC trucks have a rulebook of their own for contact...that's for sure!!! :woot:

I've only been racing a few years and would def say the intention is non contact, and I've not thought otherwise.

[super__dan]

I don't think the intent has ever changed, what has changed seemingly is the unwritten gentlemans agreement that if you take someone out you stop, wait for them to be marshalled and then go. This used to be the norm, now it is the extreme exception.

[watfordtrackwarrior]

I don't think the intent has ever changed, what has changed seemingly is the unwritten gentlemans agreement that if you take someone out you stop, wait for them to be marshalled and then go. This used to be the norm, now it is the extreme exception.
nowadays tho people seem to take you out deliberatly so no point in them stopping as was the norm when i first started in the early ninties
you mite get them shout sorry if you are lucky but very rare 4 them to wait for you unfortunatly people only seem interested in winning these days and dont want to just take part anymore win at all costs:(

[peetbee]

Maybe it's just me, but reffing of races seems more prevalent these days than it used to be, is that down to the lack of gentlemen racers?

[TheReferee]

As the head referee for 2010 i would like to point out that "rubbing is racing" is down to my interpretation, one mans perfectly executed move is anothers take out.:D

in all seriousness if you have any questions about what is and isnt the done thing please ask, if it is a question about rules then there will be a delay in answering as i need to check!!.

also remember that i will get the odd call wrong during the season but as it says in the rules "the head referee's decision is final and cannot be protested" which means i am never wrong!

[Chris Griffiths]

Ok ive got a few questions as im new to off rd and RC in general to be honest.

If somone says crashes and lands on another part of the track should they continue were they are but allow people back through (Quali or race) and if you crash and the marshall takes a while to get you should you cut track to get back to were you were (seen this at a club once, I wouldnt do it) The way I do things is if i take somone out and I feel its my fault I wait for them to get back to me quali or race is this right?? also if i crash and land on another part of track but cant get to were i should be and ive gained no places i still drive slow till I feel ive left enough time to justify, should i just wait for a marshal??

Also whats the score with people racing in quali? This anoys me so much but should race control say somthing or is it all game?

I know alot of this is open to interperation...

Chris

[TheReferee]

Chris thanks for the questions.

first one. if you crash and end up on a different part of the track or by mistake a marshall places you there then you will do the following, (1). attempt to rejoin the track where you left. this is not always possible depending on track markings, impeding other cars on the rejoin etc. So if you cannot do (1) then (2) wait keeping clear of the racing line, allow all the cars that were in front of you to pass and then impose a delay on yourself to account for your crash, then carry on. if i as the referee see the incident and have time i will call the wait and tell you to go, should you go earlier than i think then i will give you a "stop go penalty" to account for any advantage i believe you have made.

the common problems i have seen is the racer realises that he will lose more time by rejoining than if he waits, however if I believe that it is possible to rejoin where leaving then again a penalty will be issued to account for that "gain".
another issue is that if he was two car lengths behind a car then he should rejoin the same distance behind it. however in reality had he crashed and not left the track he would have restarted considerably further back than two car lengths, which is where the self imposed delay comes.

another issue, you are hit by another car causing you to crash, so you rejoin but do not wait because you believe the crash was not your fault and so you attempt to carry on in the same position. however it doesn't matter how the crash was caused, you take the delay or risk the penalty. i might not have seen the original incident but see you driving off so you get a penalty, i may well have seen the original incident which caused your crash and i might be lenient in how much time i give you to restart, as long as you make an attempt to impose a delay then i might let you go.

[MatJohnson]

Would it not be better to wait all the time if you jump the track? Going over markings or trying to rejoin could cause you to crash again, but this time block the racing line, which would be worse for others? Would it not be best to just stop off line and impose the time limit on yourself, that way your crash can never impact on another persons racing?

[cmgreen]

btcc- none contact sport, mmmmmm ? LOL

[Chris Griffiths]

Would it not be better to wait all the time if you jump the track? Going over markings or trying to rejoin could cause you to crash again, but this time block the racing line, which would be worse for others? Would it not be best to just stop off line and impose the time limit on yourself, that way your crash can never impact on another persons racing?

but this would depend on were you jump track? Like you may gain half the track at some points at formby so whats the peanlty? average lap is 18 sec so 9 sec? what if its a quarter, or 3 quarter? I think this would be too hard to judge etc. thats my personel view anyway. I think try to rejoin WHEN SAFE TO DO SO not in some great panic cos you crashed etc if this aint possible then as a last resort timed penalty to yourself

Chris

[Northy]

IMHO, if you make a mistake and do not loose time from it - i.e. just sit and wait and rejoin in the position you were in, that is wrong. A mistake should cause you to loose time.

G

[TheReferee]

marshalling badly carries the same penalties as driving badly, pay attention, put the sandwich mobile etc down, stop trying to get your mate/dad etc's attention, or you will lose that good time you have set. that said i cannot give you back time a marshall has lost for you, shouting abuse at the throbber whilst understandable will get you a penalty and irritate the fellow racers on the rostrum.

mind you the keystone kops effect as three marshalls run to your car and all stop at once believing the other marshall is going to get and then all three restart only to stop again is hilarous.

also amusing is the ultra pose marshall who effortlessly glides to your stricken car and using the one handed flick to right your car, whilst again effortless carrying on to clear the track without looking back, he then waits for the adulation of the watching spectators, only to find the car is still on its roof!!, use two hands and make sure its the right way up

[TheReferee]

Would it not be better to wait all the time if you jump the track? Going over markings or trying to rejoin could cause you to crash again, but this time block the racing line, which would be worse for others? Would it not be best to just stop off line and impose the time limit on yourself, that way your crash can never impact on another persons racing?

in the original answer i did state that rejoining where you crash is the number one option but there would be instances where this is not possible, your opinion that it was not practicable to rejoin isnt neccessarily my opinion and at the end of the day its mine that counts:D

[TheReferee]

IMHO, if you make a mistake and do not loose time from it - i.e. just sit and wait and rejoin in the position you were in, that is wrong. A mistake should cause you to loose time.

G


quite right, however if the referee doesn't see it you can be sure either another official might, or the spectators will or more importantly the fellow racer who was just behind or in front most certainly will, he will tell me/the race director/his mates and anyone else who is listening that your a cheat!!.

[Chris Griffiths]

We should have marshalls like at F1 were they do it all day.

All in favour :thumbsup:

LOL!


Chris

just incase, im taking the mick!

[Chris Doughty]

I think some championship points should be awarded for winning marshalling :thumbsup:

[TheReferee]

I think some championship points should be awarded for winning marshalling :thumbsup:

F1's marshalling are either stunning or useless, no middle ground:D

[ben]

Who's the head ref for 2010?

[Chris Doughty]

F1's marshalling are either stunning or useless, no middle ground:D

often dependant on how their previous run went :woot:

I'm F2, does that mean I can be middle ground now?

[David Church]

John Cockill has offered his services:thumbsup:

[David Church]

often dependant on how their previous run went :woot:

I'm F2, does that mean I can be middle ground now?


Does this mean you are doing the nationals Chris?

[TheReferee]

Chris doughty and average not usually two words that go together!, so no you can't,

[Chris Doughty]

No 10th nationals planned for me this year, but I always keep an eye on 10th and I might have a go at one if time permits

[TheReferee]

John Cockill has offered his services:thumbsup:
and i will be doing some refereeing as well.

[David Church]

and i will be doing some refereeing as well.

Good job! I know your name is The referee, but who are you???

[David Church]

It all makes sense now!!!:thumbsup: Cheers John:D, sorry CD you won't be seen at the best section in the world:cry:!!!! Dc

[millzy]

Reading this I always thought the gentleman rule happened more not less??

I remember Mr doughty jump starting an A final from tq , when the buzzer sounded he simply pulled the car straight to the infield letting the whole pack pass before rejoining the race.
personally that’s the type of gentleman’s driving I look up to and would think I applyed to both club racing and National/regional meetings.

[ashleyb4]

I think we should all have marshalling lessons of Craig Harris. As for none contract sport. Anyone who watched my final at southport knows it isnt none contact lol. I try to be a gentleman ill let anyone passed in finals if i feel that i overtook them unfairly aka crahing into them. But i do admit i like to give people a nudge under breaking every now and again to make them run wide :)

A

[LEE-HO]

Chris thanks for the questions.

first one. if you crash and end up on a different part of the track or by mistake a marshall places you there then you will do the following, (1). attempt to rejoin the track where you left. this is not always possible depending on track markings, impeding other cars on the rejoin etc. So if you cannot do (1) then (2) wait keeping clear of the racing line, allow all the cars that were in front of you to pass and then impose a delay on yourself to account for your crash, then carry on. if i as the referee see the incident and have time i will call the wait and tell you to go, should you go earlier than i think then i will give you a "stop go penalty" to account for any advantage i believe you have made.

the common problems i have seen is the racer realises that he will lose more time by rejoining than if he waits, however if I believe that it is possible to rejoin where leaving then again a penalty will be issued to account for that "gain".
another issue is that if he was two car lengths behind a car then he should rejoin the same distance behind it. however in reality had he crashed and not left the track he would have restarted considerably further back than two car lengths, which is where the self imposed delay comes.

another issue, you are hit by another car causing you to crash, so you rejoin but do not wait because you believe the crash was not your fault and so you attempt to carry on in the same position. however it doesn't matter how the crash was caused, you take the delay or risk the penalty. i might not have seen the original incident but see you driving off so you get a penalty, i may well have seen the original incident which caused your crash and i might be lenient in how much time i give you to restart, as long as you make an attempt to impose a delay then i might let you go.


Thank you Mr The Referee I hope that every one on opple reads your postings and trys the best they can to do the above, be at club level up to top level, and it will help eveyone including myself become better drivers and have fun days.:)

LEE-HO

[bert digler]

I think we should all have marshalling lessons of Craig Harris. As for none contract sport. Anyone who watched my final at southport knows it isnt none contact lol. I try to be a gentleman ill let anyone passed in finals if i feel that i overtook them unfairly aka crahing into them. But i do admit i like to give people a nudge under breaking every now and again to make them run wide :)

A

id never put someone to the weeds;) but if someone does try keep the throttle on:D it tends to make the victim the victor:thumbsup:

[ashleyb4]

I dont mean proper run into them I mean if you following closely just give them a tiny bit of a tap to make just enough room for you to squeeze past :)

A

[sparrow.2]

I dont mean proper run into them I mean if you following closely just give them a tiny bit of a tap to make just enough room for you to squeeze past :)

A


Then I bet you wouldn't mind me just giving you the tiniest nudge off the rostrum...

Nothing against a bit of a wheel rub if people muscle past on the inside as long as you don't just get T-boned but a shunt up the backside is bad, even more so if it is intentional.

[Chris Griffiths]

Then I bet you wouldn't mind me just giving you the tiniest nudge off the rostrum...

Nothing against a bit of a wheel rub if people muscle past on the inside as long as you don't just get T-boned but a shunt up the backside is bad, even more so if it is intentional.


Totally agree here, thats awfull to do that. if you feel you need to do that tho to pass people????

I think we should stamp stuff out like this from club level up.

[peetbee]

I dont mean proper run into them I mean if you following closely just give them a tiny bit of a tap to make just enough room for you to squeeze past :)

A
Sorry Ash, but I have to disagree with that:thumbdown::thumbdown:

[TheReferee]

I think we should all have marshalling lessons of Craig Harris. As for none contract sport. Anyone who watched my final at southport knows it isnt none contact lol. I try to be a gentleman ill let anyone passed in finals if i feel that i overtook them unfairly aka crahing into them. But i do admit i like to give people a nudge under breaking every now and again to make them run wide :)

A

Ash
actually its quite refreshing for someone to admit that a quick nudge is used as an attempt to pass. i know it is, i know its deliberate and not the "sorry he braked early/i braked late" or various other lame excuses, that said if it was a final and i saw a "tap" then you will get a warning, if the tap leads to you overtaking i will ask you to give the position back, if the tap leads to a crash i will give you a penalty. in qualifying it is slightly different, the biggest issue i have to deal with is people complaining that the car in front was slower but wouldn't let me pass, now in some circumstances thats is rubbish but in some it is true, i cannot tell you to let a car pass, i can only inform the drivers of the current positions, if i call the order and a car which is slower decides to hold up a car who is in front on the clock and there was a "tap", i will admit i might not "see":D the alledge tap.

[ashleyb4]

Its gental persuation I DONT do it often. Mainly a club when im following a slower car and dont want to risk a high speed overtake down the straight if i know there a straight swerver.. ( someone that zigzag's down the straight) Just push them a little wide and your past knowone hurt :)

A

[Jonesy]

Its gental persuation I DONT do it often. Mainly a club when im following a slower car and dont want to risk a high speed overtake down the straight if i know there a straight swerver.. ( someone that zigzag's down the straight) Just push them a little wide and your past knowone hurt :)

A


You don't overtake anyone at the club, you can't keep up :p :p

For my point of view I agree with John fully. If you go over the track as part of a crash you SHOULD NOT rejoin straight away as you have lost nothing, you shoud wait and give yourself a gap.

Problem is it doesn't and will not happen, it is all down to the drivers as the Ref can't see them all, trust me I've been a ref at the Nationals.

As for CD - Will we see you at the End of Season Finals Chris??

[ashleyb4]

Yea ok Jones..

A

You don't overtake anyone at the club, you can't keep up :p :p

For my point of view I agree with John fully. If you go over the track as part of a crash you SHOULD NOT rejoin straight away as you have lost nothing, you shoud wait and give yourself a gap.

Problem is it doesn't and will not happen, it is all down to the drivers as the Ref can't see them all, trust me I've been a ref at the Nationals.

As for CD - Will we see you at the End of Season Finals Chris??

[MRD]

I seem to come across the problem of getting hit full force up the backside on the start of a final, It happened at Bury last meeting and again last night at York. The guy at bury was going so fast into the first bend if he hadn't of hit me to slow down he'd have been into the wall and out of the race. Its like some sort of mad Kamakazi move and a stupid way to start a final.

Now and again I see the "it doesn't matter if you're three laps up on me I'm going to drive like an idiot to keep pace and probably take you out", that one really winds me up :bored:

On the flip side there are some really nice drivers I race with that will go way off the line to let me past, they deserve a medal :thumbsup:.

[Battle_axe]

i will always let the faster drivers through as for the contact what annoys me is when you overtake someone and they just ram the throttle and power straight into you running over your car or taking you off

[traffman]

Hmm interesting , ive raced for a while now and last week was the first time ive witnessed these new fangeled touring cars racing .

Ill be honest i saw more contact amongst the touring cars than i did with the of roaders.

So 1/10th scale off road non contact , however 1/10th touring cars yes?

[DanW]

but this would depend on were you jump track? Like you may gain half the track at some points at formby so whats the peanlty? average lap is 18 sec so 9 sec? what if its a quarter, or 3 quarter? I think this would be too hard to judge etc. thats my personel view anyway. I think try to rejoin WHEN SAFE TO DO SO not in some great panic cos you crashed etc if this aint possible then as a last resort timed penalty to yourself
Chris

The race control software has a timer for minimum lap. So if you made a 9sec lap on an 18sec course then the your lap would not count!

[Chris Griffiths]

The race control software has a timer for minimum lap. So if you made a 9sec lap on an 18sec course then the your lap would not count!


That explains why some people were in the bottom final last weekend! LOL


Cheers mate