NEW B4.1 'Factory Team' - SO IMPRESSED

[RudeTony]

Well a lot of people including everyone currently using a B4 would think the B4.1 id just a kit with a few new bits added in.
Well it isn't. So so many new parts and so many changes.
This is a small list of the changes and I will try and post some pics laters

Chassis - for sure of different material and more flex and additional strength up the front nose (although I have never had a problem there)

Comes with the all new V2 shocks and they build like a dream and very very smooth

Comes with the new slipper clutch and a great crystal clear glass type plastic gear cover - absolutely awesome - love this!

New front and rear shock towers although they have been out for a while

Comes with 30deg caster blocks that have 3 holes instead of 2 for adjustment

The ball studs are all new and adjustable from the top with allen driver

Now comes with blue thumb screws included in the kit

Carbon fibre battery brace that i think was included in the previous factory team but this also comes with split foams for fine battery adjustment front and rear

New squat rear plate

New style rear wishbones

New rear drive shafts like the B44 and locking ring for the pin to stay safe

New rear towing blocks outer and inner. The rear end is now FULLY adjustable for tow in and also a great combination of outer and inner tow in can be achieved

Included is the Proline body and 2 rear wings (taste on this one but look real nice)

Anyways, I am sure other items that I have forgotten but i have built the kit and has gone together like a dream. Even to the point of I didn't get the files out to make those little free up jobs. Just perfect and about time a manufacturer has made a kit that goes together easilly and freely and for sure doesn't make one feel that they need to buy anything.

Finally, I added up the differences and the value of them.
It would cost well over £220 to buy the changes so just buy the kit - Simples!!! :)
I know loads are being sold as we speak but I think Marc has some still www.m-k-racing.com (http://www.m-k-racing.com)
Please check with him though
I will post some pics later

[peetbee]

Interesting, I've just ordered the V2 clutch and spring from Marc, but did't notice these bits:

Comes with 30deg caster blocks that have 3 holes instead of 2 for adjustment Have they just added a new hole or have the original ones moved too?

New squat rear plate What's different about this part?

New style rear wishbones
Again what's different about this part, material or shape?

Thanks :thumbsup:

[RudeTony]

The squat plate just sems to be more refined and has small shaped areas for the wishbones to clear and so on - also feels of different material that I am sure is designed for more grip - saying that unforunately no one has spoke to the states yet and therefore it's only what I have observed thus far
The rear wishones same as above and also fit the B44 - they seem to have extra clearance for the shafts
The front blocks have the original holes with additional hole.
Oh and there is no need to get different wishbones now as they are in the kit as standard - before people would change to plastic - now included.
I can't make a comment on performance of the new clutch as not yet run the car but like I originally said, a great build and all just looks spot on!

[millzy]

im sure there the sc10 front blocks with the 3rd hole

[RudeTony]

im sure there the sc10 front blocks with the 3rd hole

Might be but the point I was trying to make with all this, is that Associated have added everything in this kit that the team have tested, designed, thought of, run etc etc and known that works

[RudeTony]

http://www.rudebits.co.uk/images/myphotos/newb41.jpg
http://www.rudebits.co.uk/images/myphotos/newb42.jpg
http://www.rudebits.co.uk/images/myphotos/newb49.jpg
http://www.rudebits.co.uk/images/myphotos/newb46.jpg
http://www.rudebits.co.uk/images/myphotos/newb48.jpg

[peetbee]

Cheers Tony, looking good.

[Darren Boyle]

Tony has been on the valium again.......

Nice advert for your sponsors mate ;)

[peetbee]

Nice advert for your sponsors mate ;)
Shocking Darren, never catch you doing that! ;) Anyway, useful parts for people's X6's too wouldn't you agree?
Still at least he didn't start going on about where to buy some brass weight kits for it! :woot:

[Darren Boyle]

Shocking Darren, never catch you doing that! ;) Anyway, useful parts for people's X6's too wouldn't you agree?
Still at least he didn't start going on about where to buy some brass weight kits for it! :woot:

LOL (but I do get shot down if I do it)

The new parts from AE are about time too and long overdue in my opinion and despite how "marvelous" Tony makes the new car out to be (and I am sure it is) there will no doubt still be many people dissappointed that it is a B4.1 and not a B5 of some sort and evolution rather than revolution.....

Brass advert will follow........ :p

[DCM]

isn't the B4.1 longer too, not by much, but wheelbase longer?

It has taken a lot of parts and design processes from the SC10.

[RudeTony]

isn't the B4.1 longer too, not by much, but wheelbase longer?

It has taken a lot of parts and design processes from the SC10.

There is no difference in length between the B4 and the B4.1

[DCM]

oh, I thought I read there was a slight difference in wheelbase.... best I put me glasses on lol!!

[Gaz_Stanton]

Built mine up last night and have to agree with Tony on this one! 'Ello Maaaaaaaaa!!
Easily the best kit I've built and from an engineering point of view everything just looks and feels so much better. Looking at the B4.1FT against my old B4 and struggling to find any parts that haven't been redesigned and upgraded in some way! (Going to need new spares now...)

Shocks feel so much better than previous ones as well as the obvious new cartridge.
Beefier front end with more adjustment
Loving the design and adjustability of the alu rear hubs.

This is a new kit as the devil is in the detail. Evolution of every part should add up to a much better overall package. Very impressed!

[NitroArgi]

Interesting write up...lI have some questions though

I was told that the new B4.1FT is heavier than the old B4 is that true? I would also like to know if the tuning aftermarket parts fit the new model. More particular do Ghea pistons, bulkheads etc fit the new model?

Regards
Argi

[RudeTony]

Darren?
Is there a problem?
If there is then maybe you should give me a call rather than a public worldwide forum - 07876 664422 anytime or pm me or email [email protected] - Im not hard to get hold off

ps - Just so you're not confused - you CANNOT get hold of me at CML Distributions or MK Racing - I don't work there

[Darren Boyle]

Darren?
Is there a problem?
If there is then maybe you should give me a call rather than a public worldwide forum - 07876 664422 anytime or pm me or email [email protected] - Im not hard to get hold off

ps - Just so you're not confused - you CANNOT get hold of me at CML Distributions or MK Racing - I don't work there

LOL No! Why do you have one?

I posted a tongue in cheek comment about your write up (advert for AE/MK) Dont go getting your knickers in a twist old boy :p

P.S. When is the brass advert coming??? LOL

[MK Racing]

ps - Just so you're not confused - you CANNOT get hold of me at CML Distributions or MK Racing - I don't work there

But you may find him on the set of Eastenders - Elllooooo Maaaaaaaa :woot:

[RudeTony]

Interesting write up...lI have some questions though

I was told that the new B4.1FT is heavier than the old B4 is that true? I would also like to know if the tuning aftermarket parts fit the new model. More particular do Ghea pistons, bulkheads etc fit the new model?

Regards
Argi

Hi yah - The new car if anything is lighter or it sort of feels lighter. The plastic parts are so much better. Cleaner and just seem as if they are made from newer moulds or machinery.
Ghea pistons and bulkheads fit with no problems - mine has them.
Also all other aftermarket stuff should fit without any issues at all apart from the RudeBits rear corner weights. The older weights were designed for the older B4 chassis and don't fit - The rear corner weights are being adjusted and will fit both chassis soon!

[peetbee]

LOL (but I do get shot down if I do it)

Brass advert will follow........ :p

Sorry, just couldn't resist!
Shouldn't be long.....
Ta da!

Also all other aftermarket stuff should fit without any issues at all apart from the RudeBits rear corner weights. The older weights were designed for the older B4 chassis and don't fit - The rear corner weights are being adjusted and will fit both chassis soon!

[Lee Martin]

still not a 201 though is it........ :-P

[NitroArgi]

That's true Lee...it is more equivalent to the 211 that I am sure it will come out soon!!! :p:p:p

[RudeTony]

B4.1

[Darren Boyle]

still not a 201 though is it........ :-P
LOL funny..... but dont upset the old boy today mate, he seems a bit touchy as can be seen above :) :p

Tony... get a life mate and take a chill pill, I made a tongue in cheek comment and you have jumped about 10 foot in the air, when you come down of that high horse you might see that....

I have no problem with anyone you mention in your post or you, I have no problem at all, I simply said nice ad for your sponsors (and since they all appear in your sig, yes they are all sponsors however you see it)

The car is "nice" yes and the post tells us that in length and the cars are avialable from dealers all over the country too

Now get over it and go and get some work done or somthing you old fool

[area52]

Tony, or any of the other 4.1 owners: Can you clarify on the rear end toe-in for me? Am I right in saying that you can (with kit parts!)

change inboard toe-in by changing suspension blocks

but not change wheel-side toe-in (fixed 0.5° setting of the rear hubs)

Or did I miss something?

[MK Racing]

Tony, or any of the other 4.1 owners: Can you clarify on the rear end toe-in for me? Am I right in saying that you can (with kit parts!)

change inboard toe-in by changing suspension blocks

but not change wheel-side toe-in (fixed 0.5° setting of the rear hubs)

Or did I miss something?

The kit includes blocks to adjust the inboard toe-in, the kit is supplied with 0.5 alloy hubs to give outboard toe-in, AE do list optional hubs with 0, 1.0 or 1.5 toe in but these are not included in the kit.

Marc

[RudeTony]

the new B4.1 has also got new front axles that don't bend

[RudeTony]

Tony, or any of the other 4.1 owners: Can you clarify on the rear end toe-in for me? Am I right in saying that you can (with kit parts!)

change inboard toe-in by changing suspension blocks

but not change wheel-side toe-in (fixed 0.5° setting of the rear hubs)

Or did I miss something?

Marc is right - the kit is adjustable in-board with outboard options.
In the Kit you get 2.5 - 3.0 - 3.5 - 4.0 in-board and 0.5 outboard
Hope this helps

[Darren Boyle]

Yeh - I see it as funny as well Darren!!!
Of course I should of said that the Associated (24 time world champions) B4.1 Factory Team car is also available from many shops around the country. DMS Racing is of course one of those shops situated in Watford. Now whether DMS Racing stocks the Associated B4.1 as they are the UK Imported of the also fabulous X6 2wd car is another matter but
I am sure Darren will let us know if it's stock with them or not here soon.

I apologise to all that the thread has changed somewhat but there you have it.....

ps - back to the thread - the new fabulous B4.1 has also got new front axles that don't bend - please note some of these parts also fit the X6 (for Darrens pleasure)

Sarcastic, but funny...... love it ;) (£20 on its way to you in the post)

[Lee Martin]

well that made my afternoon more fun!! haha

[peetbee]

I know the shock towers carried over the original part numbers from the B4 and that the new slipper parts have different part numbers, but what about all the other bits?
Edit: wishbones seem to be the same part numbers but the chassis plate is different as are the arm mounts/toe in blocks

[GRIFF55]

it has been a good read!!!:thumbsup:
Nice car there MAAAAA:thumbsup: (not as good as 201xxx obviously!);)

[area52]

Hope this helps

Yes, perfect, thanks! :) (To Marc too of course).

[DaveB]

what are you lot like:lol: Im sure the new b4.1 will be a much better car than the b4......the changes that have been made are suttle but will be a big improvement. I am currently working on a new car, which when finished is going to blow the opposition away......i have taken inspiration on this new project from the tamiya grasshopper.......but....and wait for it.......its going to be called the brasshopper...:p.........hope this crap makes you laugh ....dont take thing to seriously...........and watch out for new 4.1 parts on the Rudebits website (thought i would get that one in).

[RudeTony]

Dave - you are one in a million and we love yah!
For those that are waiting in agony (darren) the B4 brass all fits the B4.1 as well BUT since this car is so fantastic we are thinking of making something very special for it - the problem is Associated thought of everything so it's real hard at the mo.....
To the questions posted - I am led to belive that everything, sonner or later will filter through as parts but maybe the odd thing just wont.
Lee it's the same chassis dude! The one that Tamiya copied he he he :p

ps - I guess Darren you won't want my CV for next year then?!!!!!

[Darren Boyle]

what are you lot like:lol: Im sure the new b4.1 will be a much better car than the b4......the changes that have been made are suttle but will be a big improvement. I am currently working on a new car, which when finished is going to blow the opposition away......i have taken inspiration on this new project from the tamiya grasshopper.......but....and wait for it.......its going to be called the brasshopper...:p.........hope this crap makes you laugh ....dont take thing to seriously...........and watch out for new 4.1 parts on the Rudebits website (thought i would get that one in).

LMAO :p

[Darren Boyle]

Dave - you are one in a million and we love yah!
For those that are waiting in agony (darren) the B4 brass all fits the B4.1 as well BUT since this car is so fantastic we are thinking of making something very special for it - the problem is Associated thought of everything so it's real hard at the mo.....
To the questions posted - I am led to belive that everything, sonner or later will filter through as parts but maybe the odd thing just wont.
Lee it's the same chassis dude! The one that Tamiya copied he he he :p

ps - I guess Darren you won't want my CV for next year then?!!!!!

Are you any happier now then Mr Grumpy Bollox? :p

[_JP_]

Will we be using any of the new parts on our X6 squared? :woot::thumbsup:

[Wraggy]

I have no problem with anyone you mention in your post or you, I have no problem at all, I simply said nice ad for your sponsors (and since they all appear in your sig, yes they are all sponsors however you see it)


dont remember seeing P-Dub in his sig ;)
:cry: lol

[RudeTony]

dont remember seeing P-Dub in his sig ;)
:cry: lol

Yes - You are correct and I will alter ASAP :blush:

[MHeadling]

I have been trying to find some of the 4.1 parts on AE site, but can't seem to find the clear gear cover and front C hubs.

Does anyone have a link to all the new FT 4.1 parts?

There is no image but AE are doing a lipo weight kit for the B4.1 too, wonder what this will be like ?

But I love my personalised Rude Bits batt strap, so that's going no where!

[RudeTony]

I have been trying to find some of the 4.1 parts on AE site, but can't seem to find the clear gear cover and front C hubs.

Does anyone have a link to all the new FT 4.1 parts?

There is no image but AE are doing a lipo weight kit for the B4.1 too, wonder what this will be like ?

But I love my personalised Rude Bits batt strap, so that's going no where!

Hi yah Mark
AE are or were going to make a lipo weight kit BUT I think they are now not as they feel the new B4.1 FT is better light. The fact of the matter with weight is that very light might be and i quote might be ok for the best drivers in the world but heavy is a hell of a lot easier to drive for the majority of us. And all the top drivers are still using weight. I looked for pics myself but i am sure there are none......
The front caster blocks i am sure are a SC10 part mate and the glass type gear cover (super idea) I am sure will be listed somewhere soon.
I think it's the same as the V2 shocks Mark - they just about had enough for the kits hence youcan't get them on their own yet......hope all this helps a little.......laters

[Northy]

Front caster blocks were originally on the GT2, had some on my X-6 for about a year..... :)

However, that said, I'm pleased AE have updated the B4 at last :thumbsup:

G

[MHeadling]

Cheers for the info Tony, I will keep an eye out for the part numbers on the AE site for the gear cover etc

Your car looks v nice btw!

[MHeadling]

Just a quick question Tony, I have put the new 4.1 style rear hinge pin holder in, I have put the 3deg one in to start with, what does the manual suggest is a good starting point?

Also what anti squat shim do you run under it? I have put the 2mm one in at the moment.

[RudeTony]

Just a quick question Tony, I have put the new 4.1 style rear hinge pin holder in, I have put the 3deg one in to start with, what does the manual suggest is a good starting point?

Also what anti squat shim do you run under it? I have put the 2mm one in at the moment.


Now there is a question !!!
I will be running 2.5 with 2 anti squat mate.
BUT
It may pivot in the corner a little too much for me so I then may go back to my usual of running zero ant-squat - and yes a lot of people may think I'm mad but I'm also old and can't react as quick this days - he he he:)

[MHeadling]

Cheers again Tony :thumbsup: I will give it a go!

[ben]

Mine came today, quality of the parts is now superb!

[RDG 40]

so if you wanted to upgrade your old b4 to 4.1 spec what would you need?

Any part numbers available?

[RudeTony]

so if you wanted to upgrade your old b4 to 4.1 spec what would you need?

Any part numbers available?

Hi yah
Like I said at the beginning, there are so many differences that it is NOT economical to get the parts and also all the parts like the V2 shocks, the new chassis, the slipper cutch, the gear cover and so on are not yet available.
Get yourself a new kit and sell your older one. The best and most econimical for sure.
As for part numbers, the majority will stay the same but the newer parts will filter through as the older ones are gone....that is my understanding......CML, as you may know, are the distributors for Associated products and all the major shops should have them in stock by now .....I know MK Racing has some www.m-k-racing.com (http://www.m-k-racing.com) ........

Hope this helps

[peetbee]

it is NOT economical to get the parts and also all the parts like the V2 shocks, the new chassis, the slipper clutch, the gear cover and so on are not yet available.


MK Racing delivered the new slipper parts to me yesterday, so they are available :)
I'd already got the bleeder caps for the shocks before the V2s were announced and Driveshafts, I have heatshrink over where the pins are so so will be sticking with the original CVDs & shocks for now.

Also as I already have a ghea 3.5 degree rear block, I don't feel the need for the new rear hubs at the moment.

In an ideal world I'd buy the new car, but I think I'll be buying bits at a time to replace broken or worn out parts!

new .5 degree rear hubs = 9865
v2 slipper spring = 7486
v2 slipper hubs = 7485
30 degree caster blocks = 7922
rear chassis plate = 9818
chassis = 9560 (same part number as old one)
rear shock tower = 9572 (same part number as old one)
front shock tower = 9568 (same part number as old one)
clear gear cover = 7461

Bored now, got the parts off www.rc10.com (http://www.rc10.com) use the support and downloads link and choose B4.1, then scroll down and the FT manual is there!

[RudeTony]

From my point of view I can't afford to buy a new car yet so I'm picking up the parts as I run it, towers and wishbones tend to be consumable items for me! :blush:
I'd already got the bleeder caps for the shocks before the V2s were announced so will be sticking with the originals too! But MK Racing delivered the new slipper to me yesterday so they are available :)

Also as I already have a ghea 3.5 degree rear block, I don't feel the need for the new rear hubs at the moment. Driveshafts, I have heatshrink over where the pins are so not worried about the new ones.

In an ideal world I'd buy the new car, but I think I'll be buying bits at a time to replace broken or worn out parts!

new .5 degree rear hubs = 9865
v2 slipper spring = 7486
v2 slipper hubs = 7485
30 degree caster blocks = 7922
rear chassis plate = 9818
chassis = 9560 (same part number as old one)
rear shock tower = 9572 (same part number as old one)
front shock tower = 9568 (same part number as old one)
clear gear cover = 7461

Bored now, got the parts off www.rc10.com (http://www.rc10.com) use the support and downloads link and choose B4.1, then scroll down and the FT manual is there!


You are right - not everyone can afford that extra to buy a kit but if your car is inreal good condition then it must be worth lets say £80 odd then it's not a big difference to find.
Also can be done in a stage by stage way as stated but this would be more expensive.
Lastly, I am not sure that is the right part number for the gear cover - I think you will find that 7460 is black and 7461 is clear BUT NOT the new glas type one. - I may be wrong but it's my nderstanding before someone orders and it is wrong - please chack before ordering as we all make errors
Cheers all for now - off to paint a real car in the most gorgeous Ruby Black metallic (BMW colour) Mmmm!!!!

[peetbee]

Personally I could afford £15 this month for the slipper and and I'll get the new plastic parts over the months to come.
The rest of my car I'm happy with as is.

I agree though that if you want a 4.1 spec car then the cheapest way is to sell the old and buy a new one.

The gear cover part number is off the B4.1FT manual and says 'clear' but it could be a misprint!

[Gaz_Stanton]

rear chassis plate = 9818

Pete, before ordering the chassis plate I would check it fits the old gearbox as it's shaped to key in with the new gearbox casing.

Also, I would say the V2 shocks are definitely a worthwhile upgrade for existing B4 owners. Much easier to build & fill, no chance of seals moving and really low friction in operation. :thumbsup: Will definitely have them on the B44 & SC10 as soon as they arrive!

[RudeTony]

Personally I could afford £15 this month for the slipper and and I'll get the new plastic parts over the months to come.
The rest of my car I'm happy with as is.

I agree though that if you want a 4.1 spec car then the cheapest way is to sell the old and buy a new one.

The gear cover part number is off the B4.1FT manual and says 'clear' but it could be a misprint!

I agree doing stage by stage works for many people BUT there are so so many changes as you can also see by Gaz comments as well that you need to be careful. In an ideal world we need an accurate comparison.
The gear over listed in the B4.1 manula says it's clear but it also says for a B$ not B4.1 and also please look at the link here. It could filter through like I said before but I think not on this. I think there will be a new part number for the crystal clear cover
http://www.m-k-racing.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=7461&osCsid=0bb46be8bce8cf7431997aeeaf64fcbe

[MiCk B.]

Just having a look at the manual.

Is it correct that the B4.1 now comes with 0.80 front shock shafts the same as the B44?

MiCk B. :-)

[PaulRotheram]

As I've recently decided to start up again using my b4 which is in VGC specced up pretty well. I was looking at getting a cougar as it seems the b4 isn't being as used as much as it used to at my local.

But seeing the new parts being released it might be cheaper to put a few of the new ones on. Not sure on the shocks, as good as they may be I'd assume they'd be about 80 for the set?

If I was looking at buying a nip kit it'd be about 50 quid either way for the cougar, b4.1 and x-6
Quite confusing what to do really!

[Gaz_Stanton]

Just having a look at the manual.

Is it correct that the B4.1 now comes with 0.80 front shock shafts the same as the B44?

MiCk B. :-)

Yep. No more unscrewing the ball end for using the outer hole on the wishbone. :thumbsup:

[Gaz_Stanton]

Not sure on the shocks, as good as they may be I'd assume they'd be about 80 for the set?
Don't know the pricing but the bodies are being sold as an FT upgrade. All exisiting shafts, pistons & springs fit. :thumbsup:

[RudeTony]

Just having a look at the manual.

Is it correct that the B4.1 now comes with 0.80 front shock shafts the same as the B44?

MiCk B. :-)

You know i didn't even notice - there are so so many changes hence the post in the first place....even like Gaz said the gearbox casing and so on. In the risk of repeating myself, I thought it was a revised version with some new bits but the more I go into it i think it's a new car....those Tamiya guys obviously had inside information on the B4.1 - What you reckon Lee?

[PaulRotheram]

Oh that's interesting so you can then have the lower bladder too then?
I'll keep my eyes peeled! Seems mk racing stock all the 4.1 bits besides the shocks at the moment!

[Darren Boyle]

Just for anyone who is interested and cannot find some of the new parts just yet.

I am building up and X6 Sq but using the B4.1 as a base car, I will therefore have all the usual parts not used on an X6 available for sale at less then RRP prices for anyone that is interested (from the steering servo back basically, plus some bits off the fornt end too and possibly the shocks as well - maybe). I will put a link up in the for sale section when it is done over the next few days for those who may be interested.

[RudeTony]

Just for anyone who is interested and cannot find some of the new parts just yet.

I am building up and X6 Sq but using the B4.1 as a base car, I will therefore have all the usual parts not used on an X6 available for sale at less then RRP prices for anyone that is interested (from the steering servo back basically, plus some bits off the fornt end too and possibly the shocks as well - maybe). I will put a link up in the for sale section when it is done over the next few days for those who may be interested.

It is nice isn't it Darren??
I think Associated have new mould tooling hence a lot of this.....

[RudeTony]

http://www.rudebits.co.uk/images/myphotos/newb4111.jpg

Electric in and now ready to play !!!
I even like the yellow wheels, God save me or this.......

[area52]

I even like the yellow wheels, God save me or this.......

Yellow wheels are ace! :)

[Darren Boyle]

It is nice isn't it Darren??
I think Associated have new mould tooling hence a lot of this.....

The moulding are a millions times better, lets hope the plastic used in them is too.....

As for liking yellow wheels, I told you that you was on valium elarier in the week, now we have proof (just did not know you were gay too, LOL)....:p

[NitroArgi]

Silver springs are from the kit???

[Gaz_Stanton]

Silver springs are from the kit???
No. Brown & Green in kit. I.e. dirt setup.

[ben]

Tamiya plastic... yay! :blush:

[MK Racing]

Oh that's interesting so you can then have the lower bladder too then?
I'll keep my eyes peeled! Seems mk racing stock all the 4.1 bits besides the shocks at the moment!


Shocks are on back order with CML, so I have not put them on the site yet, they are £40.99 per pair.

Just had the Yokomo big bores in :thumbsup: Bet Tony will be over in 10 mins to see if they fit his B44!!!!!

[RudeTony]

Just had the Yokomo big bores in :thumbsup: Bet Tony will be over in 10 mins to see if they fit his B44!!!!!

Ah Marc Marc Marc !!!
The Associated V2 shocks are so nice I will stick with them for a bit and get some for the B44.

[peetbee]

Pete, before ordering the chassis plate I would check it fits the old gearbox as it's shaped to key in with the new gearbox casing.
Thanks Gaz, I've got to use all my spares up first so that's way down the list for me! When are you back in Caldicot for me to take a look?

I agree doing stage by stage works for many people BUT there are so so many changes as you can also see by Gaz comments as well that you need to be careful. In an ideal world we need an accurate comparison.
The gear over listed in the B4.1 manula says it's clear but it also says for a B$ not B4.1 and also please look at the link here. It could filter through like I said before but I think not on this. I think there will be a new part number for the crystal clear cover
Agreed.
(gear cover for me is just a nice to have so it's even on my list of things to get!)
TBH I was listing the part numbers for someone else who was asking for them.

[RudeTony]

For someone that asked at some stage - the car without any additions weighs in at 1475 all up and running but with RudeBits under Liipo and Under Speedo weighs and Ghea front bulkhead and PT all comes in at 1660g.
mmm!!!!! - I think it's too good to race though :lol:

[Richard Lowe]

Brass fatty! My 4wd is lighter than that :woot:

[RudeTony]

Brass fatty! My 4wd is lighter than that :woot:

Yeah man but it's so easy to drive like that :thumbsup: and actually my 4wd is lighter as well - mad eh!!!

[MHeadling]

Tony one quick question what weight of under servo weight do you and the team guys normally run?

I take it you just use longer bolts when using this weight?

Unsure what one to get!

[RudeTony]

Tony one quick question what weight of under servo weight do you and the team guys normally run?

I take it you just use longer bolts when using this weight?

Unsure what one to get!

Hi yah Mark

I personally use the 84g one. This is 1.5mm thick
Bradders uses the 50g or the 70g or the 84g. The 70g is just a fraction over 1mm thick and the 50g under1mm.
The majory use 70g.
The top lads have all of course and they change from one to the other and so on.
I though just leave it alone hence why i don't make A finals i suppose.
I would recomend the 70g and the screw don't need changing with any of them.
Don't screw them all the way home and just lock them in.
All in stock whatever you have

i hope all that made sence anyways !!!

ps - I use LRP batts and the 5900 is thicker than the 5300 and they both fit OK although tight !!

[MHeadling]

Thanks for the info Tony, I was after the weight of the Under Servo one you and the team use: on your site it shows: 36g or 72g version.

[RudeTony]

Thanks for the info Tony, I was after the weight of the Under Servo one you and the team use: on your site it shows: 36g or 72g version.

Yes 36g or 72g under SERVO.
There are 50g, 70g and 84g under LIPO
I get confused myself and send out the wrong items sometimes - it's an age thing you know :lol:

[MHeadling]

Thanks Tony, but what under servo weight is normally used??

The 36g one or the 72g one??

[RudeTony]

Thanks Tony, but what under servo weight is normally used??

The 36g one or the 72g one??

I promise I will wake up soon.
The majority use the heavier under servo Mark

[ben]

Normally the 36g one Mark.
Nearly got my car done, the build quality is really good!

Ben

[MHeadling]

Cheers Tony we got there in the end! Lol

Ben post some pics up when you have it all done!

[The Pookster]

Nearly built mine.

Interesting how it is all new but Associated haven't really pushed that and concentrated on a few upgrades. It's more than that.

[ben]

Few pictures of the finished car... :wub

http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=455&pictureid=3311

http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=455&pictureid=3310

http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=455&pictureid=3309

http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=455&pictureid=3308

http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=455&pictureid=3306

http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=455&pictureid=3305

http://www.oople.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=455&pictureid=3304

Ben

[MattADH]

Nice to see that Tony has finally come round to using AE shocks on his 2WD... I am sure this will make his life easier as we can all help on set-up!

All he has to do now is turn the LiPo round and have the plugs near the rear bulkhead, and solder the connectors at 90-degrees - would look sooooooo much neater!!!!!!!!!:p

[RudeTony]

Nice to see that Tony has finally come round to using AE shocks on his 2WD... I am sure this will make his life easier as we can all help on set-up!

All he has to do now is turn the LiPo round and have the plugs near the rear bulkhead, and solder the connectors at 90-degrees - would look sooooooo much neater!!!!!!!!!:p

oh you are soooooo funny - I forgot to do that but that's age!!!

PS - I will let you into a secret - they are on my B44 as well - he he

[Darren Boyle]

PS - I will let you into a secret - they are on my B44 as well - he he
I take it they arrived OK today then and all bits were there.... ;)

[showtime]

B4.1 looks good :thumbsup:

i'll have to contact MK racing on monday & sort one out!
sounds like i need some rudebits brass too :thumbsup:

[wacattack]

Surely the car sold in the UK should now come with different springs, brown fronts!!!

[Dep]

so if you wanted to upgrade your old b4 to 4.1 spec what would you need?

Any part numbers available?

Are you on evo-t?

[DaveB]

A good start with the b4.1 at silverstone today from tony evdoka.......

Tom cock had the fastest time of the day with tony hot on his heels in second....infact....i dont think tom could take the pressure and decided to go home after qualifying(only kidding tom.....we know you had a 4 hour drive ahead).:D The A final was a 2 legged affair and after a poor leg 1 (thanks to me....taxiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii for burton:cry:)tony doninated the second leg , winning by some distance. I have to say when i heard that AE were not bringing out a totally new car i was quite dissapointed but looking at the b4.1 there are lots and lots of suttle changes......and with new plastic parts and new shocks and a few geometry changes the car looks a whole lot better than the old car. Well done tony:D (and your car looks better with yellow wheels)

[/tobys]

Nice one Tony :thumbsup: - please post your setup!! :thumbsup:

[spenner]

Echo Mr Burton's comments, Tony did look good today as did the B4.1. Made a change to see a car with something hanging out the back of it be in the mix..... At regional level.

[ben]

A good start with the b4.1 at silverstone today from tony evdoka.......

Tom cock had the fastest time of the day with tony hot on his heels in second....infact....i dont think tom could take the pressure and decided to go home after qualifying(only kidding tom.....we know you had a 4 hour drive ahead).:D The A final was a 2 legged affair and after a poor leg 1 (thanks to me....taxiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii for burton:cry:)tony doninated the second leg , winning by some distance. I have to say when i heard that AE were not bringing out a totally new car i was quite dissapointed but looking at the b4.1 there are lots and lots of suttle changes......and with new plastic parts and new shocks and a few geometry changes the car looks a whole lot better than the old car. Well done tony:D (and your car looks better with yellow wheels)

New car syndrome thats all! Haha joking aside, wish i had of run my new car after reading that. Good Job Maaa...

[Cockerill]

Shame it's still got them angled sides, so Nick (Tony) couldn't figure out how to stick his speedo down :p

[GRIFF55]

Nice one MAAAA, good to hear you are running proper wheels too!!:thumbsup:

[RudeTony]

Firstly yes the car was great but Tom ‘God’ is at another level and I wish him the best for the forthcoming important National at Stotfold....also Tom, the speedo still moved (he he) - Lee M I need your tape!!!!

Ben says new car syndrome and there must be a bit of that in there somewhere I suppose.

As John also commented, this is 'regional/club level' but for sure this is where confidence is built and then reflects at National level. I also say that if the car looked good in my hands then surely you would agree it would look brilliant in let’s say Bradders hands……

One would try to pin point the reason the car was performing so good and you could say, it’s the new chassis, or the new V2 shocks or the new slipper clutch or this and that and so on but I think it’s ALL the overall improvements put together and I suppose a good set up helps as well.
This is the set up I run and would recommend for the forthcoming Regional and Silverstone Weekend at the end of the month and end of year F3/4/5s….

I also tried/tested the controlled tyres for the Silverstone Weekender at the end of the month - the Fastrax Turf Rippers – My lap times were more or less the same as Schumacher tyres and the tyres were really good - I had to trim the front outside row though for an easier drive......I hope this helps and I will post a set up sheet

[RudeTony]

http://www.rudebits.co.uk/images/myphotos/silvestonesetupb41.JPG


Hope it helps :drool:

[Cockerill]

I also tried/tested the controlled tyres for the Silverstone Weekender at the end of the month - the Fastrax Turf Rippers – My lap times were more or less the same as Schumacher tyres and the tyres were really good - I had to trim the front outside row though for an easier drive......



Shame they don't do a stagger rib, the past, present and future of 2wd front tire :p

[GFoz]

Any pics of the new cars with wheels & body or on track? ;)

[Lonestar]

All

I just ordered mine - is the gear diff a "must have" these days??? I'm old skool and can't really think about dropping a gear diff in a competition 2wd, but everyone I seem to talk to can only talk "gear diff this, gear diff that" and so on...

Really looking forward to getting my B4.1 as the molds quality on the B4 I built last year was a bit disappointing, to say the least

thanks
Paul

[ben]

All

I just ordered mine - is the gear diff a "must have" these days??? I'm old skool and can't really think about dropping a gear diff in a competition 2wd, but everyone I seem to talk to can only talk "gear diff this, gear diff that" and so on...

Really looking forward to getting my B4.1 as the molds quality on the B4 I built last year was a bit disappointing, to say the least

thanks
Paul

Not at the moment it isnt. Dont think there is anyone using a gear diff in a 2wd with some sort of competition advantage.

[rob8246]

B4.1 looks good :thumbsup:

i'll have to contact MK racing on monday & sort one out!
sounds like i need some rudebits brass too :thumbsup:

HAHA

[Lonestar]

Not at the moment it isnt. Dont think there is anyone using a gear diff in a 2wd with some sort of competition advantage.

OK thanks. I had soundbites of US topdogs swearing by diff gears...

I started assembling my kit saturday btw. Indeed, the parts fit is amazing compared to the B4 I built a year ago... They surely redid some of the molds. Feels like assembly a Japanese car now, so far I've only built the front end but it's nice and tight and free at the same time. Only one of the steering posts threads was slightly off tolerance and required some dremeling, the rest is tops!

:thumbsup:

Paul

[DCM]

thats because it is a car made in Asia....

[Lonestar]

thats because it is a car made in Asia....

as it's been for most of the 00's - TT has done most of AE's plastics since the last millenium, and then some of the last one's kits' too...

No matter what, goes beautifully together :woot::woot::woot: Can't wait to be done with the thing and run it!!!

Paul

[J.Kirkman]

Is there any benefit in spliting rear toe in by using inboard AND outboard hub toe in?

Cars look very nice.

[RudeTony]

Is there any benefit in spliting rear toe in by using inboard AND outboard hub toe in?

Cars look very nice.

In my opinion the car rides bumps so much better

[MiCk B.]

Rear ballast from AE for the B4.1 (http://aedownloads.com/press/in_081210_rear-ballast.pdf) (link to PDF)

MiCk B. :-)

[The Pookster]

Having run my B4.1 vs old B4 it rides the bumps much better, doesn't notice things that used to upset the old one using the same oils/pistons. Also front end seems to have more bite.

[Darren Boyle]

For anyone looking for some of the hard to find "new" spec B4.1 bits, as I mentioned earlier in this thread we have broken a kit for our own use and still have many of the bits up for sale which can be seen in the following for sale thread http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51614 (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51614)

The list has been updated this evening......

[Wraggy]

B4.1 looks good :thumbsup:

i'll have to contact MK racing on monday & sort one out!
sounds like i need some rudebits brass too :thumbsup:
and other brass parts :cry:

[mark christopher]

For anyone looking for some of the hard to find "new" spec B4.1 bits, as I mentioned earlier in this thread we have broken a kit for our own use and still have many of the bits up for sale which can be seen in the following for sale thread http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51614 (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51614)

The list has been updated this evening......

darren sent you a pm over weekend, am away and can not call shop can you reply to pm please

[GFoz]

For anyone looking for some of the hard to find "new" spec B4.1 bits, as I mentioned earlier in this thread we have broken a kit for our own use and still have many of the bits up for sale which can be seen in the following for sale thread http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51614 (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51614)

The list has been updated this evening......
Bought a few bits, Thanks very much :thumbsup:

[c0sie]

Ill have some 4.1 parts up for sale over the weekend if anyone is after anything..

Once my Atomic Carbon S2.1 is finished ill have the chassis, rear tower, gearbox cases, rear bumper, rear hinge pin blocks, t-piece, cf battery strap, shell, wings, tyres and wheels up in the for sale section.

Having looked at the car very quickley last night the moulding of the plastic pieces in the 4.1FT kit is just artistic! No flashing in site, just perfectly moulded plastic everywhere!

I might also have the new V2 shocks for sale if I decide to keep the Losi shocks.

[flipside]

Hi guys,

About the new shocks, at first I thought that you could open them up from the bottom (like losi shocks), but now I see that it's just to replace o-rings.

How do you put extra washers in these shocks to change droop? You have to unscrew the rod end, then push the shaft through the o rings which lets all the oil leak out?

Same problem for changing pistons?

[The Pookster]

How do you put extra washers in these shocks to change droop? You have to unscrew the rod end, then push the shaft through the o rings which lets all the oil leak out?

Same problem for changing pistons?

Yes that's correct.

[RudeTony]

If I knew how to do a pole I would bet that the majority of people that bought a B4.1 would vote that they are very happy - mine is just great....

[SHY]

Hi guys,

About the new shocks, at first I thought that you could open them up from the bottom (like losi shocks), but now I see that it's just to replace o-rings.

How do you put extra washers in these shocks to change droop? You have to unscrew the rod end, then push the shaft through the o rings which lets all the oil leak out?

Same problem for changing pistons?

I'd love to have downstop set-screws on OR cars like we have on track cars... it's so much hassle with those shims inside the shocks! It's also 100% accurate!

[Durango]

Hi guys,

I got mine yesterday and built it immediately. Just have to assembly the shocks.

My first comment: Oh yeah! AE did a great job. The car makes a better impression comparing it to the old one, especially the quality of every part.

I don't regret have replaced my old b4 by the new one :)

Greets - Daniel

[Timee80]

Any actual time improvements on track. Love my b4 but nowhere near as fast as my cougar. Would switch to 4.1 if it really makes a difference

[Timee80]

nobody willing to shout its praises:confused:

[RudeTony]

nobody willing to shout its praises:confused:

I can't shout anymore - I have lost my voice - personally I have seen loads of improvements on track

[mikeyscott]

We have the Westwood brothers racing at our track. Jay is struggling with his B4 yet Glenns's 4.1 looks great. Both cars are running very similar set-up and I put it down to the 4.1

It's not quite there for beating a Cougar SV at our track yet (Well a Cougar SV in the hands of SteveB etc.) Perhaps I should suggest Glenn and Steve swap for a meeting.... (then again Glenn would break the SV.)

[RudeTony]

I Glenn listens to me (hint hint Glenn) and adds the weight like I told him then he will be flying - LOL :)

[rossii]

Hi to all b4.1 owner，

May I know how many tooth pinions u guy use for b4.1 if u match with 8.5 t motor??

[RudeTony]

Hi to all b4.1 owner，

May I know how many tooth pinions u guy use for b4.1 if u match with 8.5 t motor??


LRP 8.5 Octa wind I run 75 spur and 25 pinion - fast!!!

[rossii]

Oh thanks , what happen if I use 30t? Less torque?

[flipside]

Hotter motor :D

30/75 will be overkill

[rossii]

LRP 8.5 Octa wind I run 75 spur and 25 pinion - fast!!!

B4.1 is equipped with 75t spur gear? Is it 48 pitch spur gear?? Anything I need to look up for setting up b4.1?

[Durango]

Hi,

81/23 with a SpeedPassion 8.5 - Runs great!

The new B4.1 Kit includes 75 and 81 Spur gears (48 pitch).

Greets - Daniel

[rossii]

Hi,

81/23 with a SpeedPassion 8.5 - Runs great!

The new B4.1 Kit includes 75 and 81 Spur gears (48 pitch).

Greets - Daniel

Hi Daniel,

that is great, i jus download b4.1 manual and it say it come with a 81T spur gear and its ok to use 22t pinion.. :D:D .

[Lonestar]

LRP 8.5 Octa wind I run 75 spur and 25 pinion - fast!!!

Interesting - which speedo are you using Tony please, and set-up how? I'm asking as it looks like a pretty long gearing, you are probably using a fixed timing Esc, aren't you?

thanks :thumbsup:
Paul

[RudeTony]

Interesting - which speedo are you using Tony please, and set-up how? I'm asking as it looks like a pretty long gearing, you are probably using a fixed timing Esc, aren't you?

thanks :thumbsup:
Paul

Hi Paul
I run the SXX LRP speedo on a 2-2-1-1 setting.
ps - PUT WEIGHT IN THE CAR!!!!! LOL

[Lonestar]

Hi Paul
I run the SXX LRP speedo on a 2-2-1-1 setting.
ps - PUT WEIGHT IN THE CAR!!!!! LOL

so some moderate variable timing - thanks.

LOL @ the weight comment :D

[flipside]

Does it have variable timing? I thought the programs were just some power curves.

[jaywestwood]

comparing the b4 to the b4.1..... our cars are identical in set up and my b4 is very inconsistent and tbh a real handful at time's!!!! i ran glen's b4.1 for a few VERY consistent and VERY easy to drive laps.Its clear there are massive improvements in the car!!!! more track time/knowledge and steve will be under pressure:)

[KRob]

Hopefully the language in the air wasn't quite as blue when you were driving that one then...:p

[markwilliamson2001]

LOL...:thumbsup:

[DragonRider]

Hi Guys

Looking at getting back into 2WD off road.

Just placed my order from MB Models for a RC10B4.1

Have you any setup tips with running a Tekin RS Pro.

What motor would be a good start as I have not raced off round for some years now. I was looking at a 5.5

Is there any mods or parts that would be recommended.

Any help much appreciated

Cheers

Mark

[flipside]

No way!!!

7.5 max, especially if you start again. I usually run 8.5 on dirt, 7.5 on astro. many people run 9.5 even on astro...

[DragonRider]

Thanks flipside that could have been a expensive mistake.

Also pinion wise I only have 64dp what would be a good range of 48dp pinions to get me started.

Thanks again.

Mark

[Timee80]

For a 7.5-9.5 motor is say 23-27. Won't be far off

[Grundy]

in relation to the crystal clear gear cover; i spoke to team associated and they said that it will use the same part number as the "clear" gear cover (7461).

the crystal clear covers will only become available when the clear ones are sold (which could take months). :cry:

[The Pookster]

People may already know this but the new B4.1 rear toe blocks refer to toe for each rear wheel, i.e a 3.0 block has 3 degrees toe in per wheel. This means a 2.5 block with 0.5 hub is 3 deg per wheel, same as old B4.

I thought block was total toe (sum of both rear wheels) until I measured it.

[lynx75]

Hi All,

any suggestions about extra weight to add in the new B4.1 please.

In my previous B4 I used 10gr on the servo plus 27gr in the rearward. I supposed to use a weight in the rearward plus 50gr or 80gr under the battery.

Are weights useful for indoor track too?

thanks

[RudeTony]

Hi All,

any suggestions about extra weight to add in the new B4.1 please.

In my previous B4 I used 10gr on the servo plus 27gr in the rearward. I supposed to use a weight in the rearward plus 50gr or 80gr under the battery.

Are weights useful for indoor track too?

thanks

70g under the servo and 84g under the lipo - use a bulkhead of 25g like the Ghea one for high grip and remove it for low grip - for indoor use you can reduce the weight a lot as it's not bumpy etc etc

[BostonNelson]

Im impressed too. Had my first run this saturday (bumpy astroturf) and it was really nice. No weights, just stock :thumbsup:

Thank you HTC for such a crappy camera :thumbdown:

[noobie]

Hi all

Noobie by name and nature, got into the addictive world of rc a couple of months ago, and after a visit to Eden Park Raceway-Winter Warmer last week, decided to sell my 1/10th and 1/8th buggies and invest in this thread model.

Thought would be brave and go for a self build as v good way to get to know the car, my main question though, is, what brushless set up would you guys recommend? Will in future be used at EPR so racing in mind.

Many Thanks all :)