Fuel

[racingdwarf]

Just thinking of the tracks I could travel to this winter, Edenpark,stotfold.....and then have you seen the price of deisel at the min!!!!:o:o It would be cheeper to build an astro track in my garden!

[LEGEND]

What you do is go down to Tesco and buy a couple of those big bottles of vegetable oil and fill about half your tank and just fill the rest with deisel. My dad does this on long trips as it save on buying petrol.:D

[tc2k]

Vegetable Oil, wtf.
Our dads just changed to that LPG in our big car. Costs a fair whack to get it changed but at 45pence a litre, if you use your car alot it will pay off eventually and then its savings lol.

[rcracer]

What you do is go down to Tesco and buy a couple of those big bottles of vegetable oil and fill about half your tank and just fill the rest with deisel. My dad does this on long trips as it save on buying petrol.:D

Does he drive a chip van ? :rolleyes:

[ashleyb4]

What you need is a caravan and to follow a lorry we followed a car transporter for a short while on the way back from holiday and we got something stupid miles to the gallon it was mad as it was towing us along. Cant rememeber what it was but it was funny getting better fuel consumpion pulling the caravan than when we dont pull it lol but it got a bit tedious doing 55 mph so we overtook him it soon shot down again.

A

[bigred5765]

U MEAN U LOT DONT KNOW THAT A DIESEL CAR WILL RUN ON SUNFLOUR OIL JUST AS GOOD AS DIESEL , DONT YOU GUYS WATCH MYTHBUSTERS

[ashleyb4]

I knew it thats my mcdonalds started to use someof there old oil to run there vans. It was cleaned first of course.

A

[MattADH]

Although the fuel price has gone up recently, I think it will only add a few quid to the price of filling up.
When I used to get the money off vouchers from supermarkets, I was really surprised by how little it reduced my bill at the pumps when I filled up and that was from virtually empty.

My car normally takes around £62 worth of diesel and that is brimming it. I do around 33k miles a year so I am also very aware of the cost of fuel. Sign up to the petrolprices website and they will e-mail with the cheapest petrol stations in your area.

[DCM]

If you do, don't brag, cause once you use vegetable oil, you are suppose to declare it as a fuel, lol. You could always getting a drum of oil from your local chippy (they have to pay to dispose of it), you have to seive the oil, and I think you add a drop of white spirits to thin it a little and you are done.... although your exhaust will smell of chips... or you could get oil from an indian restaurant and have it smell of curry.... mmmmm

I am on LPG, and at 41p a litre.... well, tis great.

[telboy]

Id go LPG, but theres only one garage I know of that does it, and thats about 15-20 mile away :rolleyes:.

If more garages did it as an option, I think more people would use it.

But then the govornment wouldnt get as much in taxes, so they probably discourage garages from stocking it.

[DCM]

it is H+S that stops garages, try Shell, they are the cheapest place as a forecourt that sells it, plus most places that refill gas bottles do it too, just ask a taxi driver where he gets his from lol.

[racingdwarf]

I'm not to sure what the chip oil thing would do to my warranty:wtf:,As the fitter at Nissan removes the fuel filter I would hear WTF!!!!:D

[bigred5765]

lol
it does work, i haven't tried it but watched mythbusters run a merc on it, it was filtered first but gave the same mpg as diesel, they added nothing at all, just pure used vegetable oil. but I'm sure i heard they add the smallest amount of something in the UK, yes your supposed to declare it so you can be charged vat but who in there right mind would,

[trekkerkk]

hi racingdwarf.
does this mean we are going to see you down at the winter warmer meeting at eden park sunday,
trekkker

[Hog]

If it's new oil then you are supposed to declare it if you do more than 40 litres a week. If it's reclaimed oil then there is no need because the tax will have been paid on the orginal purchase for its intended use.

I believe you are supposed to thin it a little with paraffin. Also in cold weather you will need to use a pre-heater to thin it up as it will be too thick. Of course there is no need for that if you are using a mix with diesel.

[VintageRacer]

If it's new oil then you are supposed to declare it if you do more than 40 litres a week. If it's reclaimed oil then there is no need because the tax will have been paid on the orginal purchase for its intended use.

I am sure there is still some duty to be paid on it if it is used as fuel. Not sure how they would know though.

Wonder if the price of vegtable oil will start to rise as people do this more and more. It could make fish and chips a bit expensive!!

[craigosh]

Goverment has recently said that you can produce upto 2,500 litres of bio diesel tax free. Think i worked it out and for me (if i had a diesel car lol) it'd be enough fuel for the year :D

i've been looking at these things http://www.etruk.com/

Gonna have a serious look next year at changing the car for nice diesel one and getting one of these bad boys. We got a chippy at the end of out road :D

think i'd still run a mix of bio and normal diesel. heard from some people about cars catching fire on just biodiesel

[Col]

If your car is on a 51 plate or newer, think long and hard about this: modern diesels produce so much power and eficiency because the engines run at incredibly fine tollerances. I know of an AA man who has recovered several modern diesel cars with fuel pumps knackered due to running on bio fuel.
Obviously this is a top end quote, but when I worked at BMW, a repair bill of £7000 was around average for a replacement fuel system...

[Jonny69]

Be very careful doing this as modern injection systems sometimes struggle as the lubrication properties of the oil are different to diesel. My understanding is that doing it yourself is no good. You need to buy the proper stuff that has been refined correctly. Someone my dad knows had a go at this and 3 of his businesses fairly new BWM's were knackered by it. You can not just sieve it as many people seen to think. There is a lot of hassle involved in doing it properly (Which is my opinion is the only way) and it is expensive to tool up to do it correctly.

Most manufacturers allow a 5% blend of bio-diesel. The warranty is still valid if you do this. You can buy this or add your own blend.

Jonathan

[racingdwarf]

hi racingdwarf.
does this mean we are going to see you down at the winter warmer meeting at eden park sunday,
trekkker

I'm thinking about it,if not this time it will be soon.Been a long long time!!
can't wait. Last time I was at EPO mr ADH was driving a yellow 2CV that I think ran on potato peelings:D:D.

[matdodd]

On most new high pressure diesels its a bad idea to run bio diesel at all. its very difficult to prove the blend of bio you have used and the quality seams to differ greatly. from my experiance with Hdi engines you can be left with a bill of £1000-2000. :o O and its about this time of year when cars start geting towed in because they wont start due to the fuel turning to a semi solid in the tank! :)

[Chrislong]

The cost of fuel stinks. the cost of road tax & insurance stinks too.

We pick our cars and pay our bills. I have chosen to drive a car which I expect to cost me lots in fuel, tax and insurance, but I love the car. OK, I do moan about the escalating costs as it is wrong, and my large carbon footprint is not bothering me. But if I was ever in a position where I had to reduce my cost of living (e.g. loose my job, become a dad, bought a house etc), then id be buying a diesel of some sort, perhaps a Golf TDI50. if it bothered me more, a none-turbo small hatch diesel.

But I wouldn't be attempting to run it on cheaper fuel, personally. The cost of a repair bill, and the cost/hassle of me not getting to somewhere and hiring a car would then outweigh the reason for me downgrading if I ever was to do so.

Also, recently in the area of where I work (Radcliffe, very near to where Woody lives), they were pulling cars over and then escorting them to an area nearby, where they dipped tanks and thoroughly checked cars, filters etc. There were several car transporters there and several left/confiscated cars.... id image red-diesel being the first thing they'll check for..

[b4rs]

or you could illegally run your deisels on red deisel? :eh?:

[racingdwarf]

Oh Yer, should have thought of that.problem solved.......just keep it to yourself eh

[b4rs]

what? dont even know wot your talking about?:rolleyes:

[showtime]

The cost of fuel stinks. the cost of road tax & insurance stinks too.

We pick our cars and pay our bills. I have chosen to drive a car which I expect to cost me lots in fuel, tax and insurance, but I love the car. OK, I do moan about the escalating costs as it is wrong, and my large carbon footprint is not bothering me. But if I was ever in a position where I had to reduce my cost of living (e.g. loose my job, become a dad, bought a house etc), then id be buying a diesel of some sort, perhaps a Golf TDI50. if it bothered me more, a none-turbo small hatch diesel.

But I wouldn't be attempting to run it on cheaper fuel, personally. The cost of a repair bill, and the cost/hassle of me not getting to somewhere and hiring a car would then outweigh the reason for me downgrading if I ever was to do so.



man after my own heart :)

my cars got a 90 litre tank & with super over £1.05 at the mo its a bit of kick in the bollocks every time i fill up! worst thing is i know i'll be back there in about 300 miles :o

i like having a big car with a big engine fully loaded with all the toys etc but its starting to get ridiculous now! it certainly puts a few quid onto the cost of every meeting :mad:

[PaulRotheram]

Things seemed to have dropped back to 'normal' (normal at around 92pence.. however normal that can be justified) here at the smaller garages. It is abit of a joke now, running my car takes up quite a big portion of my wage due to inflated costs on everything. Also insurance isnt my friend at over 2k for this year on a 1.6 escort.. sigh.

:(

[Chrislong]

Wow Rothers, your being buggered by a large fist on that one.. :o

Ive been lucky with fuel in that case, as I was due to fill up on Sunday and didn't know about the 2p per litre rise. Ive actually managed to get to work and back on the dregs and fuel light should be on soon, so Ive not actually lost out like I thought I might have.

2p per litre on 50 litres = £1 = about 45% of 1 pint of Carling. I'll be drinking plenty tonight.

[David Church]

Things seemed to have dropped back to 'normal' (normal at around 92pence.. however normal that can be justified) here at the smaller garages. It is abit of a joke now, running my car takes up quite a big portion of my wage due to inflated costs on everything. Also insurance isnt my friend at over 2k for this year on a 1.6 escort.. sigh.

:(

How much for insurance??????
Wow this makes me glad to be old!!! haha
Mine is £700, for any driver and its a commercial policy......

[showtime]

£402 fully comp on my group 20 :D

i suppose once you factor in the £1500 saving on insurance over a younger driver on their boyed up saxo the 17mpg i get doesn't seem so bad after all :)

[Lee]

I paid £1.04 a litre today i was not a happy chappy. Especially as i do a 700 mile a week before i even think of going racing.

We are really being shafted with oil prices, the uk is the cheapest place in the world to refine fuel, but with the massive tax added it makes it just about the most expensive to buy it.

There is actually another 200+ years worth of oil in the north sea but companies like shell and bp pulled out as it is cheaper and easier to get it from russia/ azerbaijan. But shell are having a lot of problems right now with the russians and may be kicked out of russia as the government are trying to claim the oil is theirs.

I think if the MP`s sacrificed their second homes in london which we pay for and make people who can work do so then we could actually be paying less tax, live in a nicer country and be better off.

imagine that:wtf:

[GRIFF55]

What group 20 you got and who insures it for that, you lucky man:D

[ashleyb4]

You fuel bill must be huge andy with your truck.


My mum always calls you MR RAC man. :D We love your truck its ace.

A

[Northy]

£253 insurance for me and the Mrs fully comp, and mines faster then yours Rothers! :D

G

[GRIFF55]

Um, Yeh, it cost a few quid to race at mid west or anywhere for that matter. Most prob about £70/£90 for a weekend. Might have to buy a small diesel car:rolleyes:.
How can your mum cal my beauty an rac truck!!

[ashleyb4]

When you go racing you have the back on it and the local RAC man for around Oswestry has a truck exsactly the same.

A

[showtime]

What group 20 you got and who insures it for that, you lucky man:D


Audi S8
insured with Elephant :)


for some strange reason Elephant & Admiral (sister companys i think) are really good on the big Audis?
suits me :D

[racingdwarf]

Wow!! Azbr.....Azerbjian..........Azerbijan.........nop still can't spell it,Hat's of you must play a mean game of scrabble!!:p

I was talking to a chap that owns a local petrol station and what realy pissed me was the tax went up 2p the petrol companys (shell was the worst) seem to have bunged a few pence more on for the hell of it.In my local station it went up nearly 6p over night!....gits

I insure our landrover discovery es & my 56 plate nissan navara fully comp for about £650 I,m loving company insurance as I'm 32 I'd normaly get hit....HARD.

[tc2k]

63.7pence of the fuel is tax. So I really dont think this is the oil companies trying to bleed us dry when there making less than 1/3 that the government does on fuel at best

[PaulRotheram]

£253 insurance for me and the Mrs fully comp, and mines faster then yours Rothers! :D

G

You're getting on abit now though ;)

[Lee]

£750 for me on an R6 0-60 in 3 secs (not with me on it though:D) and 40mpg what more can i ask for.

Just a shame it like sitting on a razor blade after an hour.

i was looking at the audi S8 the other week, i also had a look at the virtually unknown passatt W8 this is very understated and a wolf in sheeps clothing;)

[showtime]

Lee if you have any questions about the S8 just ask as i've had mine for about 2 years now & its a truly awesome car! nothing else on the road like it!
all alloy construction is stiff & light, very good handling on the sports suspension, 360 effortrless bhp from the V8, awesome grip from the torsen quattro, lovely interior with silk napppa leather all electric recaros, great sounding Bose stereo, icy cold AC, massive boot for racing gear................
the list could go on
when i went to look at mine i was very underwhelmed with the test drive as they don't feel that fast during a short test drive & i wasn't sure f i was ready for an auto gearbox.
well after only a few days i knew i had made the right decision :D
they just do everything so well & thery're so composed while they do it!
the car is big at over 5m long but it shrinks round you as you drive it & it goes round corners like a hot hatch & can outdrag everything but the really fast stuff off the lights :D
it has good road presence too as people nearly always get out of your way quickly when you roll up behind them!
its a very safe car due to the construction & when released they were the first car on british roads with 6 airbags, the later ones have even more!
there is so much technology in the car & its design that isn't apparent til you look under the skin, i've seen it described on a car forum as the car brunel would have designed! lol

the car is built around an all alloy spaceframe chassis, found you a pic

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/showtime777/asf.jpg?t=1191644754

i wanted one ever since i saw Ronin, but £70,000 was a bit steep for me then, i had to wait til they came down under ten grand. for some reason people are terified of any big cars 2nd hand & luckily for us depreciation brings them down to real world prices & once down to 7 grand or so there isn't much further they will really fall as the S badge will always ensure some desirability ;)

i thought about changing mine a little while back but when i looked at my options everything else would just seem a bit crap in comparison!
i looked at an A6 estate 2.7 twin turbo but at 100kilos heavier & 100BHP less it would be a tad disappointing, a deiesel would be even worse, although better on fuel.

cons for S8 ownership, car is very big & can be a pain to park, gets through fuel pretty quick, can be expensive to maintain unless you're in the trade like me! although mine has been awesomely reliable!

pros, big fast surefooted safe well equipped full spec reasonably exclusive etc
its different to everything else out there & way more capable!

where else can you drive a £70,000 car for everyday money? :D

as for economy i have seen 27mpg on a run before when driving sensibly!
but as i do mainly short journeys (4 miles to work) and i don't hang about i seem to average about 17mpg
not too bad considering that includes some 150 plus bursts LOL