2wd or 4wd?

[Whiskers]

I have decided to get myself a new 1:10th off road buggy for the start of the new outdoor season in april. The trouble is I really can't decide whether to get a 4wd or a 2wd and then which buggy to get i.e b44.1, durango etc.

What are the pros and cons of each class and what would you recommend for me to get.

It has to be less than £300 and a kit not a rtr.

I currently race a Schumacher CAT'98 4wd but i think i would like to try 2wd and I may even consider a short course truck.

I race on astro turf at Bury Metro and carpet/pollished wood floor during the winter.

Thanks for you help.

Josh

[sosidge]

Best advice is to race what is more popular at the tracks you plan to go to.

Apart from that, there is not much to choose between 2wd and 4wd - 2wd is a little cheaper and simpler, 4wd is a little faster and easier to drive in difficult conditions.

Short course is a novelty class in the UK. OK as a second car but I wouldn't make it my main one.

[paulc]

Losi 22 should/will be out by then i think they'll be quite popular round the tracks in the uk and at a decent price around the £200 mark and as sosidge has said 2wd slightly cheaper but harder to drive and i would'nt bother with a sc truck 2wd and 4wd are the main classes in the uk


4wd i'd say the Durango

Paul

[captainlip]

if the durango drives like it builds it will be insane !!!

buy a rango and we can help each other with spares :D

[Whiskers]

if the durango drives like it builds it will be insane !!!

buy a rango and we can help each other with spares :D

Next time you're down at Bury you will have to let me have a go of your Durango so I can see if it suits me. :p

[losi madness]

4wd all the way its alot better than a 2wd good luck picking your new car mate .:thumbsup:

[Holeshot]

I've never raced a 2wd buggy (only 2wd truck) but have always been a fan of 4wd buggies. Nothing can beat the handling and jumping of a 4wd buggy.

[Whiskers]

Has anybody done a review of the B44.1?

@Captainlip, How did you find the B4.1. Was it competative enough?

[RogerM]

2wd harder to drive but more fun and more rewarding

[Slimboyfat]

2wd arguably improves your skill as a driver.

Also looking at your budget, every 2wd option is available to you with change in your pocket. Not all 4wd 'competition' options are but most budget options are.

[captainlip]

exactly what roger and slimboy just said!

very competative, :thumbsup:

[Si Coe]

What about an X4-Pro? Quite a lot of our Bmax bits fit, and you've got the world expert on X4's (Woody) on tap for help too. You'll have a tidy sum left over as well, allowing you that new radio you wanted.

Remember, whilst racing with us, we tend to mix 2wd and 4wd together. So even the best 2wds are at a slight disadvantage. If you watched yestersdays heat 3 and 4 action (heat 2 was mostly 4wds) you'll have seen the 2wds seriously struggling for grip where the 4wds just hooked up. Racing 2wd vs 2wd this is great fun, and ups your skill level, but racing against 4wds it can be very frustrating, especially if you aren't that good, but are being beaten by 4wders much worse than you.

[mattb]

im with si on this!!!

[captainlip]

What about an X4-Pro? Quite a lot of our Bmax bits fit, and you've got the world expert on X4's (Woody) on tap for help too. You'll have a tidy sum left over as well, allowing you that new radio you wanted.

second that! :thumbsup:

this month is costing me a fortune new buggy 410r, new bag, tyres inserts, now a spektrum setup :lol:

now im forced to maybe spend another £150 on a tekin rs :bored: just so i can fit in the esc

[captainlip]

im with si on this!!!


beat me to it matt :lol: was typing with 1 hand, had the little fella in the other :lol:

[Whiskers]

I've just been looking at the Losi 22 in more detail and I am actually quite tempted by it.

Never really thought about the X4-pro but it is only £180! :thumbsup:

[captainlip]

I've just been looking at the Losi 22 in more detail and I am actually quite tempted by it.

Never really thought about the X4-pro but it is only £180! :thumbsup:


dooooooo it! then we can both be on the sidelines trying to get our new buggys working :thumbsup:

[Si Coe]

If you can wait, there is also going to be an X4-TE (http://www.area52.cc/reviews/340-ansmann-racing-x4-team-edition.html) Team version with carbon chassis and big bores. Suspect that will be more towards the £300 end, but I bet you Stu could net you one of the first of these in the UK

[mattb]

I've just been looking at the Losi 22 in more detail and I am actually quite tempted by it.

Never really thought about the X4-pro but it is only £180! :thumbsup:And stus been offering free driving lessons and setup advice.

[budfish]

beat me to it matt :lol: was typing with 1 hand, had the little fella in the other :lol:

Never heard of anyone masturbating while typing posts on oople but fair play mate what ever floats your boat live and let live and all that:o

Buds

[captainlip]

Never heard of anyone masturbating while typing posts on oople but fair play mate what ever floats your boat live and let live and all that:o

Buds

pmsl now you read it like that :lol:

[ashleyb4]

Personally for me it is 2wd. I only do 4wd for the point and the love of racing.

Persoanally find 2wd such a joy to drive.

A

[captainlip]

2wd is a joy! but I didnt like just scrapping or missing out on B finals, I like to be at least in b finals, and im spending a stupid amount this month to ensure it happens :thumbsup:

[Whiskers]

The Ansmann X4-TE looks very nice. And if you change the price listed on Team C's website into £ it works out at £220!! Very cheap for a 4wd! The only thing is only 100 of the team edition 2wds came to the uk and JE Spares only had 1 so it looks like it would be hard to get hold of but if I had a word with WoOdy he might be ably to get me one. And it would be very exclusive if only 100 come to the UK.

[rc boy]

it has to be 2wd theres more of a skill to it in my opinion as for 4wd u always have the easy way out ;)

[Whiskers]

My preference at the moment in order of want most to least=

2wd:
Losi 22
B4.1 FT
Cougar SV

4wd:
DEX410r (am just drawn to it!)
Ansmann X2-TE (depending on availability)
B44.1 FT
Cat sx2
Bmax4 (harder to get now)
Lazer (out of price range though)

What do you guys think?

[knighthawk]

2WD - Tamiya TRF201

4WD - Tamiya TRF511 or TRF502 ( depends if you like belt or shaft drive )

[Whiskers]

2WD - Tamiya TRF201

4WD - Tamiya TRF511 or TRF502 ( depends if you like belt or shaft drive )

Where is the best place to get the Tamiya gear from in the UK?

[jbaskew]

My local track no longer has a 4wd buggie class (flippin lame!) only 2wd. For years I raced 2wd and then switched to 4wd some time in the mid-90's but about that time our local hobby store changed, track and all! So no more racing my xx4, only running it for fun but I still wanna race, so Whiskers I'm in the same boat as you and here is what I'm thinking.

Losi 22
Schumacher sv
B4.1

From what I've seen the 22 looks to be the bomb...so that's probably what it's gonna be for me. But I've always wanted and never owned a Schumacher so at the last minute that may change. =]

[budfish]

My only problem with losi is PARTS so think on young whiskers you want somthing that your local shop supports and has a good parts and hop up selection available

So it's a lazer!!!

[Whiskers]

My only problem with losi is PARTS so think on young whiskers you want somthing that your local shop supports and has a good parts and hop up selection available

So it's a lazer!!!

Lazers are just to expensive though!

[budfish]

Lazers are just to expensive though!

Your right Josh but a laser fs kit can be bought of eBay cheap you don't need the fs2 because you can buy the bits and add to your fs at a later date.

If I was you u would buy the b4.1 good car cheap parts available locally.
Very cheap running costs just buy stagger ribs for the front which last ages so your only buying a pair of tyres instead of 2 pair every 3 meetings

Buds

[alexb4]

One thing I must stress before u jump the gun and pre order a 22 wait a month after it comes out as then you will know if they any good:)

[Whiskers]

If I was you u would buy the b4.1 good car cheap parts available locally.
Very cheap running costs just buy stagger ribs for the front which last ages so your only buying a pair of tyres instead of 2 pair every 3 meetings

Buds

I have also been very tempted by the B4.1 FT as they seem to be very reliable and Rob Mills at Bury seems to know lots about them setups wise. And the less tyres I have to buy the better!

[budfish]

That's it mate and there are that many at the club who will have loads of spares to borrow if need be you need never miss a heat again bonus

Buds

[Holeshot]

Wow, very close poll results.

[captainlip]

just buy the rango and join the club :D

[jbaskew]

Wow, very close poll results.

No Kidding! I just checked it...pretty much right up the middle.

[Si Coe]

Of course if you don't sell the Cat, you've still got a 4wd too. Only downside in that is the the wheel fitments are different, so they need different tyres.

I actually think Matts wrong about the Cat - indoors on the carpet its great. But when we go back outside I think you'll prefer a B4. Certainly, though I never really liked mine, it was nicer round Goshen than the Cat.

You'll be needing a different motor for a B4 though, the Losi you have now is a bit quick for a 2wd.

[JonyNitro]

beat me to it matt :lol: was typing with 1 hand, had the little fella in the other :lol:

this sounds like you was beating yourself whilst talking to matt,with the little fella in the other hand:lol::lol:

[RogerM]

Lazers are just to expensive though!

No they aren't .... very reasonable pricing considering you don't NEED to add anything at all to go racing ... not even springs!!!

http://www.jespares.com/electric-models?page=shop.browse&category_id=1260

If you wanted to go to the slightly older but still great spec FS then they can be had for under £300 I think, I am sure JE Spares would get you one for the best possible price as I know how good there relationship with Kyosho UK is from first hand experience .... they never let me down, in fact they regualrly exceed my expectations for stocks, delivery and price!

[colmo]

You can always hedge your bets and try a 2nd hand B4 first - they're ubiquitous and you'll get most of your money back if/when you move on to another car, as indeed I am now.

(The fact I'm flogging my B4 has nothing to do with this...honest!)

The most desirable car right now has to be the Losi 22, but if you're running in mixed heats, a 4wd seems preferable, and there's a lot of choice, with DEX410R and B44.1 leading the pack. For more budget rides, you've got the X4/TC04, stock Bmax4, Cyber 10B, Tamiya DB01R or a used B44.

A note about plastic tub chassis; they do tend to perform well on polished wood - the Durga (DB01) has immense grip at my first off-road club on polished wood out of the box. It's maybe not as precise as a more high-spec model, but is forgiving and easy to setup (ie. you really don't have to) for inexperienced drivers. The uprated R version solves the problem of the tendancy to fall apart in the last minute, as the Durgas tend to do!

[Whiskers]

I was seriosly concidering the Ansmann X Pro for £80 off Je Spares but it has dissapeared!! I thought that because it was only £80 if 2wd didn't suit me I wouldn't have lost lots of money.

What do you guys think will be better:
B4.1 Ft
Cougar SV

I really like the look of the Cougar and really like the Schumacher stuff.

[captainlip]

B4.1

[mattJT]

I was seriosly concidering the Ansmann X Pro for £80 off Je Spares but it has dissapeared!! I thought that because it was only £80 if 2wd didn't suit me I wouldn't have lost lots of money.

What do you guys think will be better:
B4.1 Ft
Cougar SV

I really like the look of the Cougar and really like the Schumacher stuff.


Good ol ebay has a couple of B4's and B4fts at the mo :thumbsup:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Associated-B4-Factory-Team-/230563496454?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item35aea7c206

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/team-associated-b4-team-edition-/200555049032?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item2eb2033048


how about both b4 and b44 in one package lol

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B44-B4-Everything-you-need-cat-Bmax-Losi-Durango-/260707639667?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item3cb362e173

and of course a cougar

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Schumacher-Cougar-SV-roller-/190478321426?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item2c59648712

[captainlip]

nice

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Associated-B4-...item35aea7c206 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Associated-B4-Factory-Team-/230563496454?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item35aea7c206)

but **** it get a durango!

[mattJT]

nice

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Associated-B4-...item35aea7c206 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Associated-B4-Factory-Team-/230563496454?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item35aea7c206)

but **** it get a durango!


one durango roller

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Team-Durango-DEX410-roller-/190478316049?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item2c59647211


now the next durango one is amazing :thumbsup:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ty-Beanie-Durango-Horse-Free-P-P-/270676186697?pt=UK_Soft_Toys_Bears&hash=item3f058ed649

lol


hmmm a kyosho package, 2wd and 4wd, not too bad??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/kyosho-zx5-and-2-kyosho-rb5-/200554582378?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item2eb1fc116a

(actually if had the dosh I'd buy this one just to sell on)

[Whiskers]

Right if I go down the 2wd route I have decided on the B4.1.
But 4wd I still have no idea. I really want a Durango but have been told that thay are only good if you are a brill driver and as they are so precise there is more to break/go wrong.

[mattJT]

Right if I go down the 2wd route I have decided on the B4.1.
But 4wd I still have no idea. I really want a Durango but have been told that thay are only good if you are a brill driver and as they are so precise there is more to break/go wrong.


Mind you tbh, any car is only as good as it's driver :thumbsup:

Ultimately, if you go down 4wd route then better off going for a rango, otherwise you'll just end up getting one later........

[Whiskers]

Mind you tbh, any car is only as good as it's driver :thumbsup:

Ultimately, if you go down 4wd route then better off going for a rango, otherwise you'll just end up getting one later........

Soooooooooooooo true :thumbsup:

[JohnM]

But 4wd I still have no idea. I really want a Durango but have been told that thay are only good if you are a brill driver and as they are so precise there is more to break/go wrong.

That load of cobblers probably came from someone who has never driven a Durango, mine has been super easy to drive and set up from the start, and that was from when they first came out and set ups weren't as easy to find as they are now.

As for going wrong, next to nothing has gone wrong in over a year, no broken wishbones, no broken shock towers, no stripped gears in the gear boxes, just a few spur gears and a few loose grub screws in the old drive shafts is about all.

The 410R is cheaper then the Kyosho FS, and much like that car, you don't really need anything that's not in the box, unlike the FS though, the 410 doesn't feel like a car from the past to drive:p

[Whiskers]

That load of cobblers probably came from someone who has never driven a Durango, mine has been super easy to drive and set up from the start, and that was from when they first came out and set ups weren't as easy to find as they are now.

As for going wrong, next to nothing has gone wrong in over a year, no broken wishbones, no broken shock towers, no stripped gears in the gear boxes, just a few spur gears and a few loose grub screws in the old drive shafts is about all.

The 410R is cheaper then the Kyosho FS, and much like that car, you don't really need anything that's not in the box, unlike the FS though, the 410 doesn't feel like a car from the past to drive:p

You'll never guess what but it was actualy a lazer driver that was saying it to me!!!

[RogerM]

Mind you tbh, any car is only as good as it's driver :thumbsup:

Ultimately, if you go down 4wd route then better off going for a rango, otherwise you'll just end up getting one later........

and hundreds of Kyosho, Yokomo, Associated, Tamiya etc etc etc drivers would disagree with that statement.

No doubt the Durango is a good car but like many others it's got its own character so will only suit some people.

The best advice is to drive them all (from people who will have them well set up that is) and decide what suits your driving best ... just make sure you try a ZX5-FS on your way :)

[mattJT]

That load of cobblers probably came from someone who has never driven a Durango, mine has been super easy to drive and set up from the start, and that was from when they first came out and set ups weren't as easy to find as they are now.

As for going wrong, next to nothing has gone wrong in over a year, no broken wishbones, no broken shock towers, no stripped gears in the gear boxes, just a few spur gears and a few loose grub screws in the old drive shafts is about all.

The 410R is cheaper then the Kyosho FS, and much like that car, you don't really need anything that's not in the box, unlike the FS though, the 410 doesn't feel like a car from the past to drive:p


Spares issue as mentioned here also rings true to drivers driving rather than the car itself.....your car doesn't decide to drive into a hard object and break :thumbsup:

I've had a load of cars over the past few months, and all i've had to replace is 1 spare part on one car :thumbsup: (out of 7 cars)

[JohnM]

You'll never guess what but it was actualy a lazer driver that was saying it to me!!!

I did very nearly say it must have come from a Kyosho driver, but stopped myself!

[Whiskers]

The best advice is to drive them all (from people who will have them well set up that is) and decide what suits your driving best ... just make sure you try a ZX5-FS on your way :)

I'll have to wait till the next club meeting next year to try some cars but will try and have a go with everything that uses a wheel radio! ZX5-FS aswell!

[Whiskers]

Just been offered a great deal on a B44 so I'll see how that goes.

[captainlip]

Just been offered a great deal on a B44 so I'll see how that goes.


yup seen it and I agree! if it was me 4 weeks ago before the durango I would have bought that in a second. :lol: