Bigger n Bigger.....

[G-46]

Well I have started my shopping list after a very long time away, and I’m going to be trying my hands at this dirty thing called off-road (yes I was a white trainer TC driver) after being away for 10years I have nothing left, not even a hex drive so I have put together a shopping list of what I think im going to need,
So the question I ask is what have I overlooked? And is ther anything that you can recommend?

Kits – B4.1
Radio – 3VCS
Speedo – Not ordered, looking at a speed passion or a LRP SXX V2
Motor – Not Ordered, Looking at speed passion or a LRP
Servo – Not Ordered, Looking at Team Orion Vortex
2x Lipo’s - – Not Ordered, Looking at Team Orion Vortex

1/16th hex drive
0.050 hex drive
5/64 hex drive
3/32nd hex drive
2.5 Hex Drive
Body Reamer
long noise pliers
FAST401B: Fastrax set up
tool box
stand
transponder
S-iron
solder
Charger

So what have I missed? This shopping list just seens to get bigger and bigger.

Many thanks G

[stegger]

Tyre's ;);)
If you're doing BRCA santioned event's make sure lipo's and motors are on the electric board list. :)
Steve

[wacattack]

If you want to keep costs down a little, I would suggest you dont need 2 packs of Lipos. I only have 2 packs, one for each class.

For next year you will also need a lipo sack to charge them in. This is a BRCA rule so must be adhered to

[stegger]

If you want to keep costs down a little, I would suggest you dont need 2 packs of Lipos. I only have 2 packs, one for each class.

For next year you will also need a lipo sack to charge them in. This is a BRCA rule so must be adhered to

That reminds me. I need a sack myself !!!:o

[Mike Parker]

I don't think you would need a set up station for 10th off road, and the B4.1 kit should come with a camber guage... Which is all you would really need imo...

Best to check with your local off road clubs to see if they have 'hand out' transponders too, another way to keep the initial costs down :)

[G-46]

I think i'm about ther with my shopping list, most is on order, but have i missed any thing? plz say NO! as my wife keeps saying HOW MUCH. :thumbsup:

B4.1
FUTABA 3VCS RADIO (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250743245615&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT)
Speed Passion GT EX Ver 2.1 ESC -Blue (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300505292505&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT)
Speed Passion Compeition Motor Ver.3 (6.5R (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130461241674&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT)
Team Orion Vortex Digital Servo (VDS-1409 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140484941221&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT)
Team Orion Lipo
Super Bright Blue Bodyclips - Small - Pack Of 10High
Quality Electrical Solder - 2 Metre Roll
3/4 Inch Wide Double Sided Servo Tape
Body Reamer - For Ease Of Body Shell Cutting And Preparation
18T, 19T, 20T, 21T, 22T Pinions - 48 D.P.
Soldercraft SC7040 40W - Mains Soldering Iron
Fastrax ROBOT 1/10th On/Off Road Setup System With Carry Bag - Blue
EDS Hex Driver 2mm
Corally Tubes - Male - Pack Of 2
EDS Hex Driver Tool Set - .050 X 60mm, .063, .078, .093 X 120mm - 4 Pcs
Turnbuckle Wrench
MYLAPS RC4 Hybrid Direct Powered Transponder
Fastrax Compact Hauler Bag
Fastrax Aluminium Car Maintenance Stand - BlueSCH-CR059:
Core RC LiPo Safe Charge Pouch
Orion Advantage IQ605 AC/DC Charger
EDS Hex Driver 2.5 x 120mm
RC 40Mhz FM Crystals (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160378401509&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
GT85
10mm SELF ADHESIVE VELCRO STRIP 1m LENGTHS
BRAKE AND CLUTCH CLEANER
Team Orion Carbon Molecular Race Power Pack 5400 45C 7.4V
TubeFolding Table
3x3m EZ Pop Up Gazebo
LUCAS 85AH LEISURE BATTERY
LEISURE BATTERY CHARGER

[russmini]

I can see Hex Drivers, but no Nut Drivers...

I'd personally get some bigger pinions, i've never used that small.

No need with the Setup Station.

EDS Hex Driver 2.5 x 120mm, whats that for ?

Just get the 1 LiPo, easily enough. I use a 4000mah and only ever use about 1800mah max, enough time in between races to top back up.

No major need for a Gazeebo straight away, coming to Summer afterall...

[G-46]

The 2.5mm is for the motor screws looking at the manual, (well i hope it is)

regarding Pinions what are you guys useing in the B4.1 with a 6.5

NUT DRIVER something to add, do you know what size i'm going to need as cant see it in the manual,

Back when i was racing the english summer was not always the best, lets hope that has changed but if not a Gazeebo will be needed..:mad:

[G-46]

one other question will the Orion Carbon 7.4v 4600mAh 45C LiPo have the duration for a full race with out any sign of dumping, or am i best going for the 5400 45C 7.4V as stated in my other post?

[markwilliamson2001]

I would get a 7.5 motor if your going to be racing 2wd IMO....it will be more than enough for when you get back into it. I tried a 6.5 to start with in a B4, but it was nearly undiveable on everything apart from high grip carpet, or on a massive smooth high grip grass track!

Hope this helps a bit..:)

[Stu]

......will the Orion Carbon 7.4v 4600mAh 45C LiPo have the duration for a full race with out any sign of dumping, ..........


You should do 20 mins on one charge.

7.5 for 2wd boss, big pinion.

[G-46]

You should do 20 mins on one charge.

7.5 for 2wd boss, big pinion.

if that the case with the 4600mAh 45C LiPo why do you spend an extra £20 on the 5400??

[Stu]

if that the case with the 4600mAh 45C LiPo why do you spend an extra £20 on the 5400??

I'd not do that, unless I was trying to do a full meeting on one charge.

[G-46]

so basically the 4600 will be fine????:thumbsup:

[Stu]

Yeah man, remember the modern ESC's and motors are much more efficient than back-in-the-day, and we did 5 mins on 1700's back then.

[G-46]

very cool, that will save me £20, :thumbsup:

[gerbil]

imo
i ve always ran a 6.5 in my 2wd
even if your a beginner turn it down a bit then when your ready unlesh it whats the point of buying a 7.5 then months down the line having to buy another motor just my opinion
ps i ve always ran a 22t pinion with kit spur on a b4
also ive only ever ran 2 packs of lipos 3200 35c that was plenty and loads of time to recharge between races
just trying to help you save some pennies

[gerbil]

apart from 2 body clips for the wing if your buying velcro what do you need more for as im guessing you ll get them in the kit anyway mate

[G-46]

i was thinking the same regarding the motor, i am new to off road yes but back when i was racing in the TC class i was a A final regular with even coming 2nd in the overall BTCC championship, thats why im looking for the best as i want to be pushing very hard, the thing that i forgot the most was how much stuff you need to do this, i have spent over £1000 so far with still loads of little and big things yet to order

also i find that the tech has all changed loads from the good old 3300 with a 12turn motor in my classic TC3

also thanks to everyone for all your help over the past week.

[sparrow.2]

Sounds like a very comprehensive shopping list!

Just a couple of things I would change in that list:

- Do yourself a favour and get the 2.4gHz version of the radio. So much nicer than having to fiddle about with crystals and if you ever need to set anything up on the car in the pits you can just turn it on whenever and and not ruin someones run.

- The 6.5 will be mental in a B4. Go for a 7.5 and it will give you a broader usefull range combined with any Lipo over 40-45C and not get quite so hot. Remember that brushless motors overheat when undergeared as well. That was one of the things I had to get my head round when I started up again.

- Have a look at Vampire Lipos from DMS for example. Great value and they do a 6200mAh 60C:wtf: now. Remember the higher the C rating the punchier it will feel and the higher turn motor you can run.

- You do not need the setup system. People will point and throw food at you (I would:)) Setup boards are for touring cars and touring cars only. Camber gauge and a proper table is all you need. You''ll notice the car goes better with some slop in the joints anyway...

- 2 Sets of lipos will do you fine but I would not use one exclusively.

Other than that give it some and have fun :thumbsup:

[gerbil]

true points above apart from a 6.5 is not mental at all in a b4 almost everyone at our club southport run that motor with a wide range of drive abilty
the lipos im using are 5000 45c with the 6.5 novak gtb full punch all round and i drive it around no probs but still get passed down the straight
even in my t4 i run the 6.5 or some times 5.5
another point is i found that with so many people swapping other to 2.4 ghz i cant renember the last time i had to change my 40mhz crystal again just to save money

[G-46]

setup system to me is a very strange thing not to have, why would you not what to know that you have the correct amount of toe in/out on the car,

but then again i was a TC driver for around 10 years..:thumbsup:

[sparrow.2]

You would very probably find that you would be a lot quicker over the course of 5-6 minutes with the 7.5 geared nice and long and a smooth driving style than the guy going down the straight the fastest...

Dragsters don't like corners :rolleyes:

[sparrow.2]

setup system to me is a very strange thing not to have, why would you not what to know that you have the correct amount of toe in/out on the car,

but then again i was a TC driver for around 10 years..:thumbsup:

You can keep an eye on the settings with the camber gauge included in the kit and a flat surface. Toe-in or out is a case of setting it to something that feels good and then running it. It will change the first time you stuff it into a track marker or off a jump anyway :lol:

[gerbil]

You would very probably find that you would be a lot quicker over the course of 5-6 minutes with the 7.5 geared nice and long and a smooth driving style than the guy going down the straight the fastest...

Dragsters don't like corners :rolleyes:
i raced one of the younger racers who was running a 7.5 and i was mid b final where with mine mid a ????
and i ve never had a problem with corners,although i can see where your coming from:thumbsup:
sorry mate but i have to disagree with that one or we would all use 7.5's
any way getting back to the thread every one has there opinion
usually i find the guys who pass me on the straight i can catch in the infeild
if anything im still quicker with my 5.5 but we usually save them for the 4wd but somtime they get put in the 2wds

[gerbil]

next time your in good old england you ll have to come to southport and have a race with us mate:thumbsup:

[john333]

at least you wont need a com trueing machine like the old days.

Admittedly I have gone down the 2nd hand route with everything but i'm about set up having spent £300. Bit of a risk I suppose though....

[sparrow.2]

next time your in good old england you ll have to come to southport and have a race with us mate:thumbsup:

Duel accepted :)

Likewise if you're ever over here I will gladly show you that a 7.5 can be devastingly quick here :thumbsup::

http://www.aversis.be/vrayrhino/langenfeld.jpg

[gerbil]

dude that looks a awsome track heres ours sorry i nicked the piccy off jimmyhttp://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2010national-southport/2wd/track.jpg

[G-46]

well the 6.5 has been ordered, if it's a bit on the mental side, then thats wher the radio comes in, with the TH Speed or TH Cuve. evry driver has loads of hidden set-up thats not on ther car but on ther radio. :thumbsup:

[danDanEFC]

well the 6.5 has been ordered

Well done, 6.5 all the way!

We will bash those TC bad habits out of you quickly.