M-K racing/newbury rc winter championship

[ginger fixit]

ok guys

i have some dates for you all to argue over

20th jan round 1

10th feb round 2

16th march round 3

i have decided it is impossable to not clash with everything but i think we should be ok with those dates

the plan is to have 3 rounds with 2 to count done on a scoring system which we will post before the event.

f1 / f2 /f3 gradings used with prizes for top unsuported drivers in each f gradings probly top five TBC

track will be again be designed by nick pidge and trish

and of course the timing gear will work this time ;)


the club will also be running on friday the 28th of december from 4pm so you can try out your new stuff or practice the cross over which ever way you want it

thanks guys Andy Bell

[c0sie]

10th and 18th or just 10th fella??

[GRIFF55]

Andy, can i enter all, but if something eg. hols come up would it be ok to cancel??
Can't wait for it!!!

[rob8246]

and of course the timing gear will work this time ;)

Having spoken to Rob Nelson from BBK earlier today (at some length, lol) the miss counted laps at the GP were down to the location of the PT or handout transponders on the car. Please remember that only 10th 4wd cars were affected.
Now that I am aware of this issue hopefully we can avoid any problems for the new series. :D

RR.

[showtime]

things are really moving now, this meeting has really put the club on the map :D

all your hard work has payed off guys, see you there soon :)

[ginger fixit]

sorry guys will take a couple of days to get the entry form up and running so dont panic about entering but lets keep talking about how awsome its gona be :D

[GRIFF55]

no panic, just wondered if that was ok??
BIG JUMPS!!!!!:D:D you know you want to:p

[_JP_]

Having spoken to Rob Nelson from BBK earlier today (at some length, lol) the miss counted laps at the GP were down to the location of the PT or handout transponders on the car. Please remember that only 10th 4wd cars were affected.
Now that I am aware of this issue hopefully we can avoid any problems for the new series. :D

RR.

Rob did he have any tips for placement?
I have never missed a lap with my PT, be it my 12th or 8th cars.
The only thing I changed the weekend was from a xx4 to a B44!

[frogger]

10th and 18th or just 10th fella??

Will this be for 18th's as well?

[rob8246]

Rob did he have any tips for placement?
I have never missed a lap with my PT, be it my 12th or 8th cars.
The only thing I changed the weekend was from a xx4 to a B44!

The PT needs to be located on the top deck of the B44. This is where I had mine and did not miss any laps.
A couple of guys moved thier PT's to this area and thier problems went away. :D

RR.

[c0sie]

*brings his 'Keep the cross-over and can we have a big wall ride' petition over to this thread*

:D

Im with Griff....big jumps please lads :D

[_JP_]

The PT needs to be located on the top deck of the B44. This is where I had mine and did not miss any laps.
A couple of guys moved thier PT's to this area and thier problems went away. :D

RR.

Will be moving that then asap! thanks for the info.

[Body Paint]

The PT needs to be located on the top deck of the B44. This is where I had mine and did not miss any laps.
A couple of guys moved thier PT's to this area and thier problems went away. :D

RR.

Some of the guys that were missing laps have run there hand outs and pt's in the very same cars all year, nationals and regioanls and at club week in week out and not had one single missed lap. Please don't shout at me but I fear that if you relly on this to solve your problem you will be disapointed. Will you be running the AMBrc at club on the 28th? As I could bring our shortened loop for you to try

[Elliott Hopkins]

Between the CML Raceway winter series and the Newbury MCC winter series it's good to have a good run of local meetings to work and build on the driving skills.

I think I need it.

Ta.

Elliott 'cheer section' Hopkins.

[ginger fixit]

we wont be running the amb loop we have a different system for week nights thanks for the offer though


there will spots availble for 18th 1 heat thats 5 spots i have 1 entry at the mo


thanks Andy Bell

[RogerM]

Having spoken to Rob Nelson from BBK earlier today (at some length, lol) the miss counted laps at the GP were down to the location of the PT or handout transponders on the car. Please remember that only 10th 4wd cars were affected.
Now that I am aware of this issue hopefully we can avoid any problems for the new series. :D

RR.

Can you please post any specific information that you where given? Things such as minimum distances from certain items in the car (eg. motor, cells etc.) for example. Any particular height from the track surface that helps?

I'm not sure what most people do, I personally normally run handouts in the roof section / front screen of the shell as I feel they are a bit too vunerable in the wing. Is that seen as good practice?

Have always been told to run a PT off the main chassis deck away from motors and cells as much as possible (i.e. on top of servo in 2wd and either the same place or on top deck near the servo in 4wd). I would also have though that having it too close to the sensor wire on a brushless system might upset it.
If you can confirm or otherwise any of these it might help somebody.

The more info you can give us the less likely people are to have an issue, at all venues not just yours.

For the record I think all my laps counted correctly at the MK GP in both cars ..... however my friend had troubles.

[Southwell]

After i moved Bathys transponder into his wing it counted perfectly. It was in the top of the body before.

[AmiSMB]

Do not want to teach people how to suck eggs but this is how I see it. As the loop is in the carpet below the car then the PT or transponder needs to be as close to the loop in the car as it can get for a good signal. This car has a good layout for a PT as it has only the lower deck to get through and the upper deck if there is a loop on a bridge. http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2082/img0258iy1.jpg
With handouts and a PT the transponder really should have the clearest view it can to the loop. So the position should be chose so as to have the least amount of car in its way.
With a PT bear in mind that with the power drain going to the motor that the BEC in a ESC can have a hard time and I would recommend always using a 4700uF 10v capacitor on the power supply to the receiver just in case (get them from Maplin electronics VH57M £0.61), and always have a capacitor if using the higher drainage 2.4GHz receivers. Or the MRT Bug booster is good as it can supply power for upto 3 seconds if the power goes. I know it is a pain to have yet another capacitor or device on the car but as Tesco says "Every little helps"

[Body Paint]

Another interesting tip bit that I just un earthed is that a PT sends it's signal stronger in a specific direction.

Using the pic in the B44 above as an example, the signal would be strongest above and below the car. If you mount the transponder on it's side the signal would effectively be transmitting out the sides of the car and therefore be a weaker signal for the loop on the ground.

[modelimages]

Having spoken to Rob Nelson from BBK earlier today (at some length, lol) the miss counted laps at the GP were down to the location of the PT or handout transponders on the car. Please remember that only 10th 4wd cars were affected.
Now that I am aware of this issue hopefully we can avoid any problems for the new series. :D

RR.
it is highly unlikely that pt position was to blame, yes on individual cars it could be a problem but you had several cars, it is a very simple thing to blame the user rather than the equipment. as i did not see the track where was the loop in relation to the final corner? as i may have the problem sorted
john

[Gaz_Stanton]

Some of the guys that were missing laps have run there hand outs and pt's in the very same cars all year, nationals and regioanls and at club week in week out and not had one single missed lap.

Agreed. Mine was mounted in the shell as it has been all year, shown in pic below: -
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/southportnational2007/4wd/imagepages/NO5E1581.html

This does effectively place the transponder just above the top deck as previously recommended but it didn't count properly all qualifying. I moved it to the wing for the final and it counted but that is inconclusive as a different number transponder was used.
The wing isn't a good solution as it will get battered up there so where is the best place to put it for next time?

I would also suggest looking at the loop gap and the speed the cars were crossing it. On Sunday the cars were coming off a high grip corner and accelerating for the approach to a jump so were crossing the loop at quite a speed. This might also explain why it was only 4wd cars as they were able to carry more speed on the corner prior to the loop??
It might be worth putting the loop on an a tight apex next time to reduce the speed the cars cross it or increase the spacing. (or both??)

Really looking forward to the round now!!

[RogerM]

Rob, thanks for the post, all info greatfully recieved!

John, the loop was close to the final corner and IIRC you were going from next to no throttle to lots .... I think I know what your going to suggest.

[Southwell]

Can't see speed being the problem, we do higher speeds at CML over the loop!

[Gaz_Stanton]

Can't see speed being the problem, we do higher speeds at CML over the loop!
Is the loop spaced wider apart there?
Speed will be a contributor. The longer the transponder is within range of the loop, the more chance of the loop picking up it's signal.

[ginger fixit]

guys

i think the main problems were these the loop gap was at the minimum set at 300mm and as has been said cars were on full power at the loop.

also we had the slack or spare wire coiled tightly in the corner which i dont think was helping.

i think that we should have the problems sloved ready for the next one.

thanks for everybodys input though i do love how we all become experts when things go wrong this is a good thing though LOL


see you all soon entry form now on line link below

http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/mkwinter.htm


thanks guys Andy Bell

[markwilliamson2001]

Just checked the dates against my more 'local' event for my region, and the January meeting clashes...(I think I will have to go to the more local one this time, since it is half the distance there and back of going to Newbury).

I may come down again in february, but will have to see... regarding funds..

Mark

[Nick Goodall]

I have booked in for all.

Thanks again - We shall get designing ASAP!

[Nick Goodall]

Think the transponder thing will be cleared up for next time, it does seem strange that they worked when moved location on cars, and it was only 4wd's that had a problem so all seems to point to location of mounting PT's to me?

Either way i'm sure we'll sort it, RobR has been speaking to Mr BBK himself so i'm confident they know what they're doing :D

Let's just look forward to the racing!

[markwilliamson2001]

Sounds like it could have been a combination of things adding up, although I ran 4wd with pt and never had a problem...

Cheers
Mark

[c0sie]

Sorry, but what are the F ratings??

What do I put down as my F rating??

[ginger fixit]

hi cris

if you do tenth regionals you would get an f rating we have also added an ability section so fill that in dude i recon 8/10f1 5/7 f2 1/4 f3


hope that helps A

[Southwell]

Isn't it the better the grade the higher the number?

[ginger fixit]

sorted;)

[GRIFF55]

When are you allocated the new f gradings, as Me and You(Nick) are F5's still;)

[Wraggy]

When are you allocated the new f gradings, as Me and You(Nick) are F5's still;)
dont they start for 2008 ?? at which point Mr Griff you will be F2 !! ;)

[alrg500]

yeah I think F grades run form 1st Jan based on your previous year.

Cosie you in theory are an F5 but your ability will be nearer an F2/F3 depending on how you get on with a 10th.

[Wraggy]

I have booked in for all.

!

me to !!! wont be missing this one :D

[Nick Goodall]

me to !!! wont be missing this one :D

Glaaaaaaad to hear it!!! No attempting to get your car stuck in the roof netting though ok? :D:D

I think i'm technically still an F3 for next year actually as i only did 2 regionals even though I won the F2's :(

[Southwell]

me to !!! wont be missing this one :D

Damn :mad:
Only jokin ;)

Im booked in! :D

[c0sie]

Allan, ill take that as a compliment! :)

[GRIFF55]

me to !!! wont be missing this one :D

goog man, you'll love it!!!
4 or 2wd??

[Wraggy]

goog man, you'll love it!!!
4 or 2wd??#
2wd drive dude , dont want you getting upset with me beating you in my S4 lol ...;).(only kidding )

[GRIFF55]

gold vs red, bring it on!!!:p

[alrg500]

Allan, ill take that as a compliment! :)

Intended

[RogerM]

Just checked the dates against my more 'local' event for my region, and the January meeting clashes.

Mark

Does it Mark? .... Looked last night and couldn't find any clashes.

Not sure if it helps at all but you'll probably be passing my place in Cheltenham (5mins off M5 J11) and am always up for a lift / fuel cost share as that means my better half can still use the estate to take the dog up the hills ....... where there is a better chance of loosing the little git ;)

[markwilliamson2001]

Yes, Dudley Indoor clashes...

http://www.dudleyradiocarclub.co.uk/

Click on winter series link on left hand side, its the 20th Jan the meeting clashes.

Sorry to say!

Mark

[RogerM]

Oh ..... missed that one! Since I will have a new 4wd (with no spares easily available) to try I don't know what to do now ... :( Decisions decisions... might have to run it at Coventry the following week I guess!

[rob8246]

it is highly unlikely that pt position was to blame, yes on individual cars it could be a problem but you had several cars, it is a very simple thing to blame the user rather than the equipment. as i did not see the track where was the loop in relation to the final corner? as i may have the problem sorted
john

I see your point there John but the system counted every lap of every car in 2wd and also the micros. How many times do I have to say this!!!!!!!:mad:

Anyway im not going to argue with Rob Nelsons deductions as he knows more about the system than any of us.

At the next meetings it likely that the clubs infra red system will be used so thankfully I do not need to get involved. ;)

[RogerM]

Infra red ...... surely ther has to be a clear line of sight (visible) for that to work? How do your club members get on with it in touring car classes for example where the transponder will be under the shell????

Sounds like a very interesting alternative system.

[rob8246]

Rodg,

The pt's are mounted in the car giving line of sight through the bodyshell window.
The system does work extremley well and hopefully we can obtain more PT's in time for the 1st event.
We would love to have a new BBK system but at £1,842 for decoder, coax and loop it's a right kick in the nuts!:o

[RogerM]

Cool .... have to bear that in mind when placing a bug hole ....

Any websites with details? You've got me all interested (geeky little fellow I am and all)

[rob8246]

Go to www.rclapcounter.com (http://www.rclapcounter.com) for full details on the system.

There are also vids with the system in operation. :D

[Gaz_Stanton]

i think that we should have the problems sloved ready for the next one.

thanks for everybodys input though i do love how we all become experts when things go wrong this is a good thing though LOL

Great! :) Please take all input as constructive 'help to fix for next time' and not critism of the last mtg. :cool:

Just entered for all rounds! :D

[glypo]

We would love to have a new BBK system but at £1,842 for decoder, coax and loop it's a right kick in the nuts!:o

Ouch!

But if entries were £15 rather then £10, potentially £1,000 approx "expendable" could be raised just off the 3 meetings. I can only see the club growing after how cool the MK GP was, so could be worthwhile? I dunno, just food for thought.......

[ginger fixit]

guys

dont get us wrong we will get an amb system but for the time being the one we have is ready to use with a few addons so we are going for that for now

thanks for all the suport 10 entrys allready awsome

[mobile chicane]

Ouch!

But if entries were £15 rather then £10, potentially £1,000 approx "expendable" could be raised just off the 3 meetings. I can only see the club growing after how cool the MK GP was, so could be worthwhile? I dunno, just food for thought.......


nice idea but £15 is a LOT to pay for a days racing and this is suposed to be a relitivly cheap hobby, I used to pay £20 a day to race minimoto ( dont laugh ) and when a set of minimoto tyres costs £100 and a blown engine £200 it puts things into perspective.

I'm all for the club making money so that we can get more carpet and an a+b system but there may be some racers who would find £15 hard to swallow as an entry fee.

maybe we should have a poll, obviously the event can not be run at a loss and any profit we make is ploughed back into the club .

remember not all club racers have pt's and at £65 they aint cheap

[ginger fixit]

giles

you are obsesed with money ;)

[mobile chicane]

giles

you are obsesed with money ;)


nope just trying to balance the views, glypo's idea is good but we dont want to make newcomers or those who are on a restrictive budget loose intrest, I know £5 isnt mutch but £15 seems a bit steep to me.

I'd gladly pay it for another meeting though as I know how wisley you'll spend the money.



god that sounded so suckupy

[glypo]

Fair enough points. Regarding PT, with handout transponders the AMB system is better then the current system the club employees, as it will allow more drivers to run. Looking at the IR system website it seems it's limited to maximum of 7 drivers. AMB allows 10 handouts, so AMB would actually benefit those without PTs. AMB system does not require the use of PT's, it just allows it.

I think £15 is low for race entry to be honest. I'm only talking about the big events like the MK GP and this 3 race series, obviously for the usual club racing the £6/8 that is current used should not be raised. It seems people pay that just for an evening, so a whole day at £15 seems cheap. Heck most people will be spending double the current entry fee on tyres. In terms of what we spend on the cars etc, clubs get next to nothing. I'm all for higher racing fees, as like you say it gets invested back into the club.

[RogerM]

Rob, thanks for the lap counting system info ..... at that money it's almost worth buying one for practice days ... if a few shared it it's be quite cheap and far more accurate than a stop watch.

Can't wait to see how well it works.

[GRIFF55]

I'm in, glutton for punishment me:p:D

[RogerM]

Glypo .... as a professional mechanical engineer (chartered) ....... but having to pay a mortgage in Cheltenham and obviously working in the UK I struggle to pay for my racing as it is at about £5 club / £10 national ...... if it was £15 I'd have to reduce the amount of meetings I did without question.

Cricky only knows how people on minimum wage type jobs (like a lot of the teenagers working their way through an education are) can afford to race at all.

I agree with your sentiment but as mobile chicane states you have to acount for all budgets.

I think the Newbury boys have pitched the entry fee just about right.

[glypo]

Okay that's fair enough. I'm a student looking at doing a second (post grad) degree next year..... so I know a thing or two about being skint, 2 years of college and 3 of uni certainly empties the bank account. Racing facilities in this country are poor compared to overseas though, simply because they ask for more per meeting. Although not quite the same (in terms of racing class, and popularity), we managed to get hugely over booked for the Neo race asking for £60 entry, plus they'll have to pay 3 nights accommodation on top of that, and food.... anyway that's £15 a race.

I just think £5 for 3 meetings is £15. So it's only £15 over the year more. That's like the cost of a take-away meal for a couple of people around here. So I agree it's asking more of a lot of people, but relatively speaking it's not a lot. Anyway it seems it doesn't matter, as it looks like from what Andy said below the club can afford an AMB system in the future anyway, and that must be on the current £10 entry.

[ginger fixit]

im going for 25quid then i can get drunk on the profits we have to have our prioritys right dont we LOL

10 is good Andy

[mobile chicane]

im going for 25quid then i can get drunk on the profits we have to have our prioritys right dont we LOL

10 is good Andy


cool £10 it is :D

how about another raffle that should bring in the founds :D

[c0sie]

I find that not drinking beer..and having very few friends eases my financial issues lol
Selling forklifts for a living...plus my previous addictions to overdrafts, credit cards and loans kinda makes me prioritise racing alot higher than pissing up a wall :D

[rob8246]

We will be running BBK timing equipment at the 3 round series meetings.

The euipment has been very kindly loaned to us by another local club owner.

When you book in please dont forget to register your PT number. If you dont have one then handouts will be available. :D

Dont worry, the system will be fully tested the day before and hopefully all will be okay for race day.

Just a few pointers on PT fitting though,

Do not fit on top of servo.
As we discovered to the top deck of B44 is preferable. We will test other makes the day before.
Fit a power cap if using 2.4Ghz
Of course you can never guarantee 100% success rate but these things will help.
Also, the loop will be reloacted to a corner so cars are off power as they travel over it, again, it all might help. ;)

Rob R.

[David Church]

I find that not drinking beer..and having very few friends eases my financial issues lol
Selling forklifts for a living...plus my previous addictions to overdrafts, credit cards and loans kinda makes me prioritise racing alot higher than pissing up a wall :D

Man I really need to cut down on my spending on crack!!!!!!!!:o:o:o

[showtime]

the trouble with crack is that its just so more-ish :D

[David Church]

Tell me bout it, mmmmoooorrrrrreeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[ginger fixit]

hi guys

here is a quick entry update

2WD F1
======
Andy Bell
Grant Fribbens
Keith Calder
Richard Saunders

2WD F2
======
Nick Goodall

2WD F3
======
Ian Southwell
Kevin Tombeur
Paul Wragg
Simon Hurds

4WD F1
======
Gareth Stanton
Giles Bishop
Grant Fribbens

4WD F2
======
Andy Griffiths

4WD F3
======
Jordan Cook

i know the f gradings are all over the place we had a bug in the system if your not happy pm me guys

link to entry form http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/mkwinter.htm

thanks Andy Bell

[David Church]

I may have to come race just to try and punt GRIFF55 off the track, haha:D

[showtime]

Andy can you book me in for 2 & 4WD please :)

is there such a thing as an F7 rating :eh?:

[GRIFF55]

I may have to come race just to try and punt GRIFF55 off the track, haha:D

Bring it on Churchy, i'll show you crack!!!!!:p:p:p
Only kidding. Get entered(to the meeting), you know you want to!!

[ginger fixit]

Andy can you book me in for 2 & 4WD please :)

is there such a thing as an F7 rating :eh?:


thanks adam done that

f7 dude just for you mate ;)

[showtime]

Cheers Andy :D

[ginger fixit]

morning chaps

ive had the land lord of the venue on the phone yesterday morning seems hes planning on having some hot food on site for us this time should make life a bit easier saves going off to mcdonalds and stuff.


below is an upto date entry list

2WD F1
======
martin barbour
alex hillman



2WD F2
======
Nick Goodall
rob rasey

2WD F3
======
Ian Southwell
Kevin Tombeur
Paul Wragg
Simon Hurds
Richard Saunders
Keith Calder
Grant Fribbens
Andy Bell
adam lewis


4WD F1
======
Gareth Stanton



4WD F2
======
Andy Griffiths
rob rasey



4WD F3
======
Jordan Cook
Giles Bishop
Grant Fribbens
steve thurlbourne
adam lewis

link to the entry form attached as well http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/forms/index.php

thanks guys have a happy new year

[Martin-Barbour]

Seems I made a mistake on the entry form.... :o

There's no way on this earth I'm an F1, please put me at the bottom of 2WD.....

Thanks.

[ginger fixit]

done

[rob8246]

Less than 3 weeks to go now till round 1 of the series so get your entries in following link below: ;)

http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/forms/index.php

RR.

[ginger fixit]

hi guys happy new year to all

here is an updated entry list 26 drivers so far still loads of room

2WD F1
======
Alex Hillman
Lee Martin
Richard Barton
Tristram Neal

2WD F2
======
Nick Goodall
Rob Rasey

2WD F3
======
Adam Lewis
Andy Bell
Grant Fribbens
Ian Southwell
Keith Calder
Kevin Tombeur
Martin Barbour
Paul Wragg
Richard Saunders
Simon Hurds


4WD F1
======
Gareth Stanton

4WD F2
======
Andy Griffiths
Rob Rasey
Simon Chambers

4WD F3
======
Adam Lewis
Carl Ventner
Jordan Cook
Giles Bishop
Grant Fribbens
Steve Thurlbourne

enrty form below
http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/forms/index.php

[rowley]

entry sent.......

[showtime]

any news on the track layout?
the jump section on 28th December worked really well :D

as did the crossover :D

[rob8246]

any news on the track layout?
the jump section on 28th December worked really well :D

as did the crossover :D

Me thinks that Andy has something special lined up for us all!! :o

[ginger fixit]

hi guys

robs right i have been designing a track making much better use of the clubs track marker system.

there is also 2 cross overs in the design and i will be extending the table top down ramp by 4 feet should make it a bit more user friendly

the track will be have more defined areas of carpet and wood rather than crossing carpet in all sorts of directions.

i will try and get an image up over the week end.

thanks for the entrys so far Andy bell :)

[ginger fixit]

entry up date

2WD F1
======

Chris Rowcliffe
Duncan Brass
Lee Martin
Richard Barton
Tristram Neal

2WD F2
======
Alex Hillman
Lloyd Story
Nick Goodall
Rob Rasey
roger mills
lloyd storey

2WD F3
======
Adam Lewis
Andy Bell
Grant Fribbens
Ian Southwell
Keith Calder
Kevin Tombeur
Martin Barbour
Paul Wragg
Richard Saunders



4WD F1
======
Gareth Stanton

4WD F2
======
Andy Griffiths
Richard Ralph
Rob Rasey
Simon Chambers
roger mills
richard ralph

4WD F3
======
Adam Lewis
Carl Ventner
Jordan Cook
Giles Bishop
Grant Fribbens
Steve Thurlbourne
Simon Hurds

32 drivers now things are looking good

[PTRU]

can someone put Tony Truman down for 2wd?

[RogerM]

Andy ..... thanks for the confirmation .... you seem to have worked out what I actually meant when I messed up the entry form ... twice .. LOL

[ginger fixit]

dont worry roger its kind of a hobby of mine working out what people mean i have a wife and 2 little girls so im used to working stuff out for my self

see you on the 20th if not before

thanks Andy Bell :)

[ginger fixit]

guys

lets get those entrys in week and a half to go ish we need your suport if we are going to offer indoor racing in the winter guys.


link below cheers Andy Bell :eh?:

[Mash Potato]

Just entered F3 4WD.

[ginger fixit]

top man :)

[Lee Martin]

andy u about to go on msn?

[ginger fixit]

up to date list for you guys

2WD F1
======
Chris Rowcliffe
Lee Martin
Richard Barton

Tristram Neal

2WD F2
======
Alex Hillman
Cameron Taylor
Lloyd Story
Mark Johnston
Nick Goodall
Rob Rasey
Roger Mills
Simon Freeman

2WD F3
======
Adam Lewis
Andy Bell
Duncan Brass
Grant Fribbens
Ian Southwell
Keith Calder
Kevin Tombeur
Martin Barbour
Paul Wragg
Richard Saunders

22 2wd


4WD F1
======
Gareth Stanton
mark knight
matt perry

4WD F2
======
Andy Griffiths
Richard Ralph
Rob Rasey
Roger Mills
Simon Chambers

4WD F3
======
Adam Lewis
Carl Ventner
David Mudford
Giles Bishop
Grant Fribbens
Jason Moller
Jordan Cook
Marc Nascimento
Steve Thurlbourne
Simon Hurds

18 4wd

keep them coming loads of room entries will stay open till night before and if its raining you can still turn up on the day

thanks guys Andy :)

[Lee Martin]

trish aint a F1!!!!!!

[ginger fixit]

hes gona beat you this time pidge i recon now he races for mk

LOL you coming to play friday we have a new table top for you to try

laters Andy :)

[mobile chicane]

42 entries so far still loads of space at the hall with a fantastic new rostrum which easily holds 10 new better table top.

I'm pretty sure Pt's can also be used and if they are I'll test my one on my 4wd zx5 on set up saturday to make sure we have no nasty suprises.

Remember all indoors pit right next to the track you only get wet moving stuff from car boot to hall :)

:D

[ginger fixit]

hi guys


ive drawn up th track im thinking of building for sunday next week its all set for 3m wide everywhere and also the landings for the cross overs are some 4 m now instead of just 2.5,

we have extended the table top as well its now spans 7meters so should be alot more fun.

i would love peoples points of view on it please good and bad that way i can change it before sunday

thanks Andy

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f275/gingerfixit/Picture003.jpg

[showtime]

looks good Andy. 2 crossovers :o

loving that :D

whats the square in the middle marked mini? is it a new feature?

[frogger]

Awesome. :D

[ginger fixit]

that would be a mini table top it might end up as a combination with a kicker as well see how the track pans out when people tell me what they think :confused:

[showtime]

the jump combination you had on 28December with the kicker before the tabletop was awesome! everyone was enjoying that :D
so if there's room for a kicker slip one in ;)

[RogerM]

Andy, aside from my usual concern with features you can't roll through (although I have to say the cross-overs look far better arranged than the first encounter I had with them) it looks good apart from the first crossover you come to .... the one after the "Mini" table top.

My concern with that is that as you aproaching it from a 90 deg corner, launching off slippy floor, people might find it awkward to hit the kicker straight and true and if they have to lift off on the previous corner they might not get enough drive to clear the gap. Obviously until you drive it you won't know!!! (might be worth trying putting a temp tack marker in place limiting the apex to say 300mm wide (as might be the case with a series of crashed cars there if somebody tried to do something foolish up the inisde of that corner) and see if the worst jumper at your club can clear it, both from a rolling start from that apex and and standing start.

If there is an issue it might be resolved a little by turning the whole feature through about 45 degrees clockwise (so the lander falls into the empty area on the bottom right of your picture). It might just need a grippy surface for the acceleration area and surface of the kicker.

Just a couple of ideas if it does cause a problem.

The other thing that may cause an issue is the divider between the landing area of the 2nd crossover and the lanuch area of the first. Have you got anything that you can use to make a "wall" there to help prevent crossing into the other section (from say a silly attempt at the jump or just a landing bad enough to cause a barrel roll). Has Mark got an advertising board / hording that could be mounted there to act as a catch fence?

The extra landing area on both crossovers will make them far more enjoyable for the majority and certainly help the track flow. The exit from the main straight should let everything sort itself out at the start of finals. Cars should already be spread out by the time they get to the first crossover. Marshals should be easy enough to spread out without hindering the drivers view. Nice clean entry to the straight. All looking good.

How high is the "Mini" table top in relation to the small ramp behind it? Will the 2nd small ramp be clearly visible from the rostrum even by us vertically challenged people? Impossible to tell from a drawing but I thought I'd mention it as your keen for feedback.


On the whole though that layout looks really flowing and a nice blend of slippy and grippy apexes, again to my tastes a nicer layout than the first event. Great blend of flying and driving. :)

(Disclaimer ....... my comments are aimed purely at Andy (and his team) in response to his request for feedback and nothing else. Please lets not start an off-raod track verses touring track verses Red Bull air race track debate.)

[ginger fixit]

hi rog

thanks as always for your mini novals as replys LOL

i hope i dont miss anything out of your comment,
on the first x over agreed there is a slippy bit there we do have an off cut so it will be filling that spot sorry should have drawn that in as for the angle we still have around 3 meters in the hall thats not in the picture so basily the picture is 30m by 17m in scale but we have 33m by 19m to build the track in the venue alowing for a forgotten apex here and there so we can adjust angle of entry so on.

of course we will try and make someway of stopping the enevinatable track marker jumping after the x cover in front of race control worst part of indoor racing trying to get a lot in in a small space.

the mini table top is 1ft from the floor and 4 feet long so hopefully wont be in the way its untryed yet so we will have to wait and see exciting isnt it

thanks for your comments roger hope i have answered them Andy :)

[mobile chicane]

cool tabletop right by the rostrum I can jump my car catch it do some tweaks then throw it back out :D

[c0sie]

w00t w00t!
Can you say "air time"?
:D

[smk]

I've updated the webpage with the following text about how the series will be decided.

Each meeting will consist of 4 heats and one final. Fastest single heat will be used to qualify for the finals.

Points will be scored 101 for fastest qualifier, 99 for second fastest, 98, 97, 96 etc. The A Final winner will get 100 points, 2nd will get 99, third 98 etc. B Final winner will get 90 and so on. Drivers will add qualifying points to final points for a total Round score.

The winter series will be scored by adding the two best Round scores for each driver. In the event of a tie, any third score will be the tie-breaker.

Everyone should get a representative qualifying from one of their 4 heats. Results and scores will be published on the Monday after raceday. For the third meeting, I'll make a spreadsheet that will work out the results a few minutes after the last final, so we can all go home knowing where we finished.

If anyone doesn't understand the above (and wants too!) let me know and I'll have another go at explaining.

[RogerM]

Andy ..... sounds like you've got it covered!!!

Should be good.

smk ...... so FTD qualifying, same scoring system as was used in days gone by for RRCi meetings etc.

All makes perfect sense for a meeting like yours where the track should remain constant all day.

[Teddy truman]

The track changed last time!! as the weather got colder outside the slippery floor got less grip. i cant wait! the track these guys put down last time was mint!

oh and Roger get out more mate....... you do ramble on about rubbish:eh?:

[ginger fixit]

up to date list

2WD F1
======
Chris Rowcliffe
Lee Martin
Richard Barton
Tristram Neal
Tony Truman
Wes Myles

2WD F2
======
Alex Hillman
Cameron Taylor
Justin Mackey
Lloyd Story
Mark Johnston
Nick Goodall
Rob Rasey
Roger Mills
Shaun Austen
Simon Freeman
Tony Scott

2WD F3
======
Adam Lewis
Duncan Brass
Grant Fribbens
Ian Southwell
Keith Calder
Kevin Tombeur
Martin Barbour
Paul Wragg
Richard Saunders
Robert Rance

25 2wd


4WD F1
======
Gareth Stanton
Mark Knight
Matt Perry

4WD F2
======
Andy Bell
Andy Griffiths
Richard Ralph
Rob Rasey
Roger Mills
Simon Chambers

4WD F3
======
Adam Lewis
Carl Ventner
David Mudford
Giles Bishop
Grant Fribbens
Jason Moller
Jordan Cook
Marc Nascimento
Steve Thurlbourne
Simon Hurds

19 4wd

[rowley]

Chaps,

Couple of general queries:

What time do the doors open sunday morning?
I guess its bring your own tables and chairs?
Is there mains power freely available?
Is it free practice?

I apologise if these questions have already been asked!

[showtime]

yeah bring your own table & chairs, there are some chairs there but its better to have one & not need it rather than need one etc ;)

there is mains hookup but sockets are limited, at the very least bring an extension lead with a few outlets :)

[JCJC]

Rowley try:

http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/mkwinter.htm

[showtime]

there's some pics from the last event on this page here -

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6079&page=16

Rich Cree also posted a short vid :)

[ginger fixit]

guys

thought i would just reminded every body that we wont br closing the entrys till sat night and you can also turn up on the day if for any reason you havnt booked in ie if its to wet to race cos were gona be nice and dry :D

[GRIFF55]

Will pt's work??
Cheers

[ginger fixit]

should do we have a different loop this time :D

[Body Paint]

guys

thought i would just reminded every body that we wont br closing the entrys till sat night and you can also turn up on the day if for any reason you havnt booked in ie if its to wet to race cos were gona be nice and dry :D

Good, good, I forgot to do mine. Just sent it now:D

[mobile chicane]

Will pt's work??
Cheers


I will be doing some serious testing with my one on saturday

[mw02veg]

just a word of warning it is indoor racing but it was colder insidethan outside last time so take extra clothes alot of ppl got caught out!!

[rob8246]

Will pt's work??
Cheers

Yes mate we are using BBK for the 3 winter series rounds.

I will be installing the timing equipment on Saturday and a test session will follow.
I do not anticipate any problems but should any arise then Iwill have plenty of time to sort them before you eager racers arrive on Sunday morning! ;)

RR.

[ginger fixit]

HI GUYS

just had the land lord on the phone he will serving food from 12.00 till 2.00 burgers that sort of think aswell as the usuall beverages at the bar tea and coffee and the like so bring them pennys

dont forget we dont mind if you enter late sat or if you turn up on the day its gona be wet and we are gona be nice and dry

thanks Andy Bell :)

[Elliott Hopkins]

Doesn't matter. Asked dumb question.

[Lee Martin]

Theres also a superb indian about a 2 minute walk away!!!

thats my lunch baby!!!

[dan_kitty]

ok i was gonna rule this meeting out as i have no transport, but im going to look at a car on sat morning. So potentially i can make it if i like and buy the car. So if i can just turn up for 4wd on the day that would be cool, but i will try and book in sat if i can.

cheers dan

[Nick Goodall]

Theres also a superb indian about a 2 minute walk away!!!

thats my lunch baby!!!

Doh, thought this was about the CML one again ignore that comment haha

[Body Paint]

ok i was gonna rule this meeting out as i have no transport, but im going to look at a car on sat morning. So potentially i can make it if i like and buy the car. So if i can just turn up for 4wd on the day that would be cool, but i will try and book in sat if i can.

cheers dan

:o:o is the Micra dead?

[GRIFF55]

you saw the way he drove it!!!:o

[dan_kitty]

lol, i wouldnt say the old micra is totally dead, but after waiting 3 hours for the rac and a tow back home on tuesdeay ive decided to get a new car rather than try to repair it. i reckon it is easily fixable though, probably just a new part for the clutch .

so if anyone one wants a gold chick magnet at a value price then i may be able to help you. also includes state of the art areodinamic door modifiactions, and a few months mot

looking for about 12,000 pounds but will accept 10 pounds

pm me for pics

ta

[mobile chicane]

lol, i wouldnt say the old micra is totally dead, but after waiting 3 hours for the rac and a tow back home on tuesdeay ive decided to get a new car rather than try to repair it. i reckon it is easily fixable though, probably just a new part for the clutch .

so if anyone one wants a gold chick magnet at a value price then i may be able to help you. also includes state of the art areodinamic door modifiactions, and a few months mot

looking for about 12,000 pounds but will accept 10 pounds

pm me for pics

ta


£5 will you deliver :D

[dan_kitty]

if you can lend me a tow truck, then ur on:)

[showtime]

well the weekends weather isn't looking too good for anyone planning on some outdoor action this Sunday!

still time to get booked in guys ;) :)

[c0sie]

Andy can you book me in please?

Cris Oxley
2.4Ghz
Handout transponder
4WD
F3?

Anything ive missed let me know :)

[OldTimer]

Do you have a timetable for tomorrow Andy ?.

[c0sie]

ooooohhhh...

You racing the new "B44 with Atomic Carbon option parts" JC??

:)

[OldTimer]

I guess it would be rude not to ;) and there should be a S2 running as well.

[c0sie]

w00t!!

[smk]

Do you have a timetable for tomorrow Andy ?.

Doors open 08:00

We'll get everyone properly booked in, then each driver will get
1 practice round (5mins)
4 heats (5mins each)
1 final (5mins)

Can't say when any of these will start - we'll try to get the meeting run as quickly as possible as some people will have a long way to travel home.

Burgers available at the bar from 12:00 - 14:00

[showtime]

did anyone get any pics of the track layout?

i've heard its a good one :D

[mobile chicane]

did anyone get any pics of the track layout?

i've heard its a good one :D



( churchil dog ) OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSSS ( CHURCHIL DOG )

[c0sie]

Care to share? lol

[showtime]

Flanders was back at Pidges repairing the B44 earlier so i'm guessing it'll be an action packed lap ;)

[rob8246]

Just an update guys, we have been setting things up today and I must say your all in for a real treat!! :D

The track is just awesome!!!!!!!!

Andy has come up with a really good design which incorporates the BIG table top, 2 yes 2 crossovers plus a nice balance of slippery floor and carpet sections.

Its fast flowing plenty wide enough and I excpect some great racing tomoz.

Remember doors open @ 8am ;)

RR.

[c0sie]

w00t!
The cross overs are back!

[GRIFF55]

wish you'd open the doors a bit later so i can get more kip, or make a track like this closer to home:p

[Body Paint]

Get to bed Andy, you need to be up in like 6 hours

[GRIFF55]

I'll ring you when i'm leaving, just to check you're awake:p

[Body Paint]

you can ring but I wont be answering LOL

[c0sie]

I fecking hate mornings :S

[showtime]

do we need to get up now?


laptop in bed seems so much easier :)

[MK999]

Just got back, was a brilliant race day guys, and a fantastic venue. Track is as was mentioned, absolutely brilliant :)

[showtime]

Dang you beat me to it :rolleyes:

the track was brilliant! it had a bit of everything :D
only gripe was a bit of restricted visibilty on the other side of the tabletop but it wasn't really a problem unless you got hit & couldn't see which way you were pointing :rolleyes:

great meeting, track was really fun to drive (loads of smiling faces coming off the rostrum) really good way to spend a January Sunday :D

anyone got a bigger pinion they can lend me :o

[mobile chicane]

good meet great track, no transponder problems I manage to romp home 1st in the 4wd c final which was nice.

[c0sie]

w00p w00p!
Ace day, even managed to win the 4WD B lol
Much love to Pidge for proving that a funky barnet makes you win A-finals..oh and for hooking me up with cells :)

Garlic naan...yummy

[c0sie]

And..kudos to Harris for TQ'ing 2WD on the S2's competetive maiden outing?
:)

[MK999]

The S2 and what looked to me like an S44 both looked very quick :) and i didn't actually see pidge racing in the A final? looked like someone borrowed his car or something:confused:

[GRIFF55]

Thanks all for a great day, even if i have just got in. Well worth it again, excellent track, food and racing. See you all next time
andy griff

[Mash Potato]

Had a great day, even if my driving leaves a lot to be desired!!

Looking forward to the next one.

[OldTimer]

Great track and a well run meeting, and no problems with the PT's which was great. And it was a tad warmer in the hall this time :D

And a good showing for the Atomic Carbon cars, Craig taking TQ and 2nd in the 2wd A with the CF tub S2, Andy Griff winning the 4wd A with the S4, and i even managed 4th in the A from 10th, with the Atomic Carbon upgraded B44, which ran without any problems all day.

[c0sie]

And the girl serving coffee was RATHER pleasent on the eye too :)

[smk]

Results and championship positions from Round 1 can be found at:

http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/mkwinter.htm

Many thanks to everyone who helped run the event, particularly Andy for track design and organisation, to Rob for electrical work and all the track monkeys who built a track that didn't move.

Well done to everyone who turned up for making it a great day's racing -some good battles and not too many broken bits, it was a pleasure doing race control today.

Hope to see you all for Round 2

[frogger]

And the girl serving coffee was RATHER pleasent on the eye too :)

An absolute worthless post without PICS! :D

[c0sie]

Where were ya! You coulda seen her for yourself lol

[showtime]

i never even noticed her when i went in there :confused:

i can vaguely remember being served by a girl but thats it :confused:

was she blonde or something? they don't seem to show up on my radar :rolleyes:

[c0sie]

wow...showtime...theres issues there!

She had dark hair I think..tinkering with her small mobile fone in her hand..got me nervous and I nearly spilt me coffee..dang!

[showtime]

Hmmmmmm...........................:confused:

dunno what went wrong there then :wtf:

so, about these pics :D

[c0sie]

I think taking sly photos of attractive girls will vialate my restraining order :X :D

[Lee Martin]

And the girl serving coffee was RATHER pleasent on the eye too :)

WAT!!!!!

why wasnt i informed!?:mad:

[c0sie]

You had enough the night before, from what you were telling us in the morning lol

Save some for the rest of us pidge :D

[Lee Martin]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

[Wraggy]

You had enough the night before, from what you were telling us in the morning lol

Save some for the rest of us pidge :D

and i have photographic evidence !!!! ;)

[glypo]

That was great fun. Big thanks to all. Sorry I had to shoot off quickly but was nephews birthday party. The track was much faster then the GP, and was best race I had in a while, this was even better. Thanks!

I got a 3 mins of film of Adam and Rob too, so just put that up on youtube.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbNvYc2jhQ

[Bathy]

Once again fun track, fun racing big thanks to M-K racing + team for another great event.

I didn’t do so well, my excuse was trying to use the same set of tyres from the last event, by the final it was clear that was an error.

On a 'real car' note... two Golf Mk1's at this event, see Lee they are the greatest cars ever, I try to explain these things to you, youth of today, only interested in fast fast cars :p

[Lee Martin]

hahahha!!!!

go bathy go bathy go???!!!

just dont go driving through any puddles mate!!! it might stop again! and leak!

[RogerM]

Bathy ... the other Mk1 was mine.

I know what you mean about tyres .... I tried the same.

Thought the track worked really well .... just wish I'd not made the change I did for the final .... car was amazingly different to how it had been the rest of the day .... quick but so much harder to be smooth with. Oh well .....

[c0sie]

I spent most of qualifying driving like a twat...atleast im honest eh :)

Decided to try and drive properly in the finals and won the B.
Started shaking like hell towards the end though...bloody hate that..

[GRIFF55]

Are there any pictures around yet?

[smk]

Are there any pictures around yet?

Ray Mills took a bunch of pictures on Sunday morning. http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/mkgallery.htm

If anyone wants me to host pics, you can send 'em to [email protected]. Should you need a hi-res copy of a picture or two just pm me the numbers.

I used to have a Mk1 Golf, one of the early 1600cc GTis. Best car I ever owned, still miss it. Brakes were a little weak, but a great car to steer on the throttle.

[Wraggy]

Are there any pictures around yet?
ive got a vid of your final griff , will host it tonight on you tube :cool:

[GRIFF55]

Is that a good idea?? I was shaking so much i'll look like a blur:D

[Wraggy]

Is that a good idea?? I was shaking so much i'll look like a blur:D
teah mate its fine , even got the bit where the guy stood on your car !!!!!!!!! :eh?:

[Wraggy]

vid of the A Final 4wd , mainly following Griff who won ;), and the new S44 driven Jonathan (mr ac)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7o0GUqXv3X8

[GRIFF55]

Nice one wraggy!! my missus replayed the car being stood on 4 times, laughing her head off when he fell over:p.
Lucky to finish as the rear wishbone and hub were hanging off:o
cheers m8

[matdodd]

Looks like a good weekend for the Atomic cars :D well done Craig, Griff & Mr Atomic him self