Tardis 22

[Northy]

We are finalising some last details on the Tardis 22 and wanted to gauge some interest on how many people would be interested in a kit from the first production run?

http://www.nortechracing.com/ac/22/tardis_22_6.jpg

The kit will include:

CF chassis with moulded kick up.
Chassis side pods.
Lipo strap.
Brass posts.
Shims.


The price will be £145 + P&P for the first batch.


Just a note on the Lipo dimensions:

Lipo dimensions for the Tardis 22 chassis are 69mm long by 46.5mm wide per lipo, brca regs call for a maximum size of 69.5mm long by 47mm wide, so please be aware that if you have lipos which are right on the limit of the reg's it might be a tight fit.

Reedy 60c saddles fit but are a tight fit as they are 46.66mm wide, but using
2mm of brass under the lipos they are a lot easier to remove and also the car
handles even better with the brass weight.

Dimensions of BRCA lipos can be viewd by download the following list.

http://www.brca.org/sites/default/files/library_files/BRCAchairman/2011%20BRCA%202S%20Saddle%20LiPo%20List%20v1%20pdf 1.pdf


Thanks,

G

[Wacker 2]

NOBODY BUY ONE... I'm beating all the 22's at my club at the minute with my AC CR2 and I fear that may not be the case if Dr Who drops his Tardis on the world! LOL

Only kiddin... I've seen the proto Tardis during its creation and it is a really nice looking piece of kit... I've seen Jonathon at AC race it and its a massive improvement over the original 22 in mid motor :( :p

Definitely future money well spent for anybody who is currently pulling their hair out with their TLR 22.

Mr Hinckley! :thumbsup:

[slow bob]

put me down for one please .. who do i make payment to ??

[JACKOR33]

Do we call or email / pm to register interest for a kit?

dave

[dirk702]

No Body ? Will the original fit on this tardis kit ?

[Cooper]

No Body ? Will the original fit on this tardis kit ?

http://www.novodistribuciones.com/3914-3042-thickboxMasGrand/cellofaan-roll.jpg


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Marc0]

Can we just replace the original chassis by the CF chassis (to keep original electronics position ?)

[Ben Turner]

Put me down for one! :thumbsup:

[Northy]

No Body ? Will the original fit on this tardis kit ?

We are working on a body, but I think the original body will fit - but might touch the lipos.

Do we call or email / pm to register interest for a kit?

put me down for one please .. who do i make payment to ??

We are just putting the finishing touches to the kit. I'll post here when it is ready :D

Can we just replace the original chassis by the CF chassis (to keep original electronics position ?)

Not quite sure what you mean, sorry.

[rcjunky]

I think he just wants to run the cf chassis but the same lipo layout as stock so it would just be light. I don't think that would work as the chassis is shorter.

[Marc0]

Thanks rcjunky, that's exactly what I meant :)

My favorite track has almost no fast corners with a lot of grip that's why I would like a shorter chassis to have a lot of steering. I guess that keeping the lipo with the original layout could help to load more the front of car.

[dirk702]

Question ?
Is the connection between the gearbox and battery brace included in the kit ? (shassis stifner)
I already ordered one FTW aftermarket body for the Atomic kit, hope this will fit !

[andys]

G.
Will the body be at extra cost, or included for £140 ?
Cheers
Andy

[tony12795]

The original body does fit but hits the lipos. With my tardis I made some side pods out of lexen and a heat gun....

Easy.

[Northy]

Sorry guys, busy weekend.

The link is not included.
The body is not included.

G

[reg]

looks sweet,is the gear box at a different angle,does this make the motor closer to the rear arms,also what are you finding different to the way it handles to the original chassis,
thanks
Mark

[reg]

anyone:confused:

[V-Rossi]

Shorter and more weight onto the rear wheels, so:
- Easier to drive (less twitchy)
- A lot better in low grip conditions

[OldTimer]

looks sweet,is the gear box at a different angle,does this make the motor closer to the rear arms,also what are you finding different to the way it handles to the original chassis,
thanks
Mark

The batteries are a lot closer to the motor, also with them turned around there is a lot more weight over the rear end, you use the losi kit mid gearbox, so the distance between the motor / diff / rear arms are the same unless you use a small spur gear ;)

I found with the new chassis its felt like it snatched less in the corners, more like it was less aggressive but still with a lot of steering, and with the revised weight distribution it felt strangely a little like a xx4 floating over the bumps, i guess the big bores were helping out there.

It felt more like the CR2 but with more steering and handling the bumps a little better.

Hope that helps.

Hopefully girff might be able to add a little more info.

[reg]

thanks chaps,i might have to take my 22 off the for sale thread:woot:.....i was going to go down the AC CR2 rout but this looks like the way to go:thumbsup:

[GRIFF55]

I'd take it off the for sale thread too mate!! This car is awesome to drive. It handles bumps like they arent there, turns in loads and has bloody good rear end grip in the wet compared to any other mid motor car i have driven. I cant answer how it goes compared to the std car as i have only ever done one lap with one. (that did feel a little less responsive compared to this)
Get one, you wont be dissapointed!!:thumbsup:

i'm hoping jonathan doesnt want his back after kiddy! lol

[GRIFF55]

this weekends warrior!

[reg]

I'd take it off the for sale thread too mate!! This car is awesome to drive. It handles bumps like they arent there, turns in loads and has bloody good rear end grip in the wet compared to any other mid motor car i have driven. I cant answer how it goes compared to the std car as i have only ever done one lap with one. (that did feel a little less responsive compared to this)
Get one, you wont be dissapointed!!:thumbsup:
thanks Griff,keep us posted how it goes this weekend,could you post ya set up just to see how different it is from the std layout,inc any added weight,what body shell are you using?

[Wacker1]

Griffs Bodyshell is the New Tardis Prototype

...........like mine!!!:woot::thumbsup:

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk76/Wacker1_photos/AtomicCarbonTardis22003.jpg

[reg]

:woot:........any idea when the tardis might be ready for sale:drool:

[dirk702]

:woot:........any idea when the tardis might be ready for sale:drool:
I hope very soon !

[OldTimer]

thanks Griff,keep us posted how it goes this weekend,could you post ya set up just to see how different it is from the std layout,inc any added weight,what body shell are you using?

These are the current Tardis 22 setups that Griff and Wacker 1 are using -

Griff -
Front - 35 wt, 6 hole 56, Green spring, no limiter in shock.
Rear - 35 wt, 6 hole 55, Yellow spring

4.0 deg HRC
2 deg AS
Front camber - long link, 1mm under both ball studs
Rear camber - 3mm outer 2mm inner, C location out inner hole.
SWB on rear hub
25 deg kickup with 5 deg castor blocks.
110 gram weight under lipos, no other extra weights on the car, no rear bolt on weight either.

Wacker 1 - As above except

Front - 60 wt, 5 hole 1.5mm, Blue or Black spring
Rear - 60 wt, 5 hole 1.5mm, Yellow spring

+ Slinger under motor brass weight, TLR 25 degree brass kickup block and 50gram of weight in the nose.

The shell that Griff and Wacker1 are using is from a local guy, he is still working on the shell and one in the photos is not a final version. Also i understand that Phat bodies is also working on a 22 shell which should also fit the tardis and the FTW Vane shell will also fit but is not customised like the other two for the tardis.

[GRIFF55]

Phat shell is NNIIIIICCEEEE!!! if i can get jimbo's camera going the weekend hopefully the oople-landers can see it;)

[reg]

thanks Old timer,thats a big difference in oils on the setup,why so thick,are they losi oils or two different brands,

[OldTimer]

I am pretty sure they are both using Losi oils, yes a lot higher wait oil but also a lot larger hole in the pistons ie 1.5mm and only 5 hole, compared with a 55 @ 1.32mm and 6 hole, and a 56 @ 1.18mm and 6 hole.

[jonathan may]

Do you need the rear link. and what link are you using

[Robbiejuk]

I was racing against Wacker1 with his at the weekend and the car looked really good. That car looked good although the track we were running around wasn't the greatest to show how good the car was.

I think a random hose and lack of marshalls thwarted an AC victory :D

[slow bob]

If you want to show the tardis to a large group of possible buyers / 22 drivers you should bring it to taplow rc club some time .. ask for slow bob and we can get you racing for free :woot:..

[SHY]

Was not familiar with this term, now I am :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS

Looks awesome as always Dr. Who! :thumbsup:

[OldTimer]

Was not familiar with this term, now I am :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS

Looks awesome as always Dr. Who! :thumbsup:

The relevant part :lol: "The interior of a TARDIS is much larger than its exterior (dimensionally transcendental)"

[reg]

i will probably be the only person to ask this and will wont be able to show my face in public again:woot:,but have you tried it in the rear motor setup:thumbsup:

[slow bob]

Whats the latest has there been enough intrest shown in these to actualy go to production ? :confused:

when is the first batch ready ? :confused:

can i pay for mine yet ? :confused:

[Northy]

Available to order now in the store at:

www.atomic-carbon.co.uk

:D

[jonathan may]

does having the gearbox brace on a angle make the car tweak would it be not better off straight.

[OldTimer]

You can remove a little of the gearbox material if you want the link perfectly straight. But we have found no ill effects with the link at a slight angle.

[JACKOR33]

Just got my Tardis conversion today in the post:thumbsup:

Quality and finish is awesome cant wait to fit out the car tonight:drool:
Will post pics when fitted lol

Great product and service guys:D

dave

[till]

can i order only the body ?!?

[jonathan may]

Has the tardis been designed to flex a lot on the rearend
Mine seems to flex quite a bit

[JACKOR33]

The flex will aid traction and i will stand corrected if i'm wrong but i'm sure it is integeral to this design.......

Once you have the sidepods screwed on and the whole car built with the motor link it is much reduced but still there :thumbsup:

I put mine on the scales last night with my normal setup and weights 104g under lipos, and 36g under motor as i normally run and i had :

Front:
36.2% front weighting with only a difference of 0.5g side to side
Rear:
63.8% rear weighting with a difference of 30g side to side, once i addressed this i then had 64.3% rear weighting :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm gonna run like this tonight as i'm sure rear traction will be improved, but if needs be with a bit of playing round either with a cream pivot block or more lead should be able to hit 65% and even more traction!

I cant fault the quality of the kit pieces, the packaging and support from Graham @ AC

Big thumbs up from me on my first AC purchase :D

Has the tardis been designed to flex a lot on the rearend
Mine seems to flex quite a bit

[OldTimer]

Has the tardis been designed to flex a lot on the rearend
Mine seems to flex quite a bit

Yes it has, but the flex should be as the chassis twists, you should not have any front to rear flex. Also make sure there is no slop in the link between the battery strap and gearbox.

[OldTimer]

The flex will aid traction and i will stand corrected if i'm wrong but i'm sure it is integeral to this design.......

Once you have the sidepods screwed on and the whole car built with the motor link it is much reduced but still there :thumbsup:

I put mine on the scales last night with my normal setup and weights 104g under lipos, and 36g under motor as i normally run and i had :

Front:
36.2% front weighting with only a difference of 0.5g side to side
Rear:
63.8% rear weighting with a difference of 30g side to side, once i addressed this i then had 64.3% rear weighting :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm gonna run like this tonight as i'm sure rear traction will be improved, but if needs be with a bit of playing round either with a cream pivot block or more lead should be able to hit 65% and even more traction!

I cant fault the quality of the kit pieces, the packaging and support from Graham @ AC

Big thumbs up from me on my first AC purchase :D

You should find you have around a extra 50grams on each rear wheel ;)

I only use a weight under the lipos, you will most probably find you need to add a little weight to the front end rather than more at the rear.

[jonathan may]

so what setup are you using with the tardis 22 any pointers

[OldTimer]

I would use the below setup as a starting setup for the tardis.

Front - 60 wt, 5 hole 1.5mm, Blue or Black spring
Rear - 60 wt, 5 hole 1.5mm, Yellow spring or Pink
4.0 deg HRC
2 deg AS
Front camber - long link, 1mm under both ball studs
Rear camber - 3mm outer 2mm inner, C location out inner hole.
SWB on rear hub
25 deg kickup with 5 deg castor blocks.
110 gram weight under lipos, no other extra weights on the car, no rear bolt on weight either.

[jonathan may]

used my tardis to day on a grass track rear end grip is a lot better.
but could do with a bit more steering.
jumped nice and took the bumps like they are not there.

[JACKOR33]

1st run for my Tardis today on a bumpy astroturf track...

I actually ran with Griff55 setup with the lighter oils and different pistons as i dont have 60wt oil, and was very happy with forward drive and also traction coming out of the bends.:thumbsup:
It felt i was lacking a bit of steering so i added 10g on servo and changed to pink rear spings as advised by Dave belsten who was also using his Tardis 22 to good effect :D

Overall happy with the first outing just need to get a setup that suits my driving

I would use the below setup as a starting setup for the tardis.

Front - 60 wt, 5 hole 1.5mm, Blue or Black spring
Rear - 60 wt, 5 hole 1.5mm, Yellow spring or Pink
4.0 deg HRC
2 deg AS
Front camber - long link, 1mm under both ball studs
Rear camber - 3mm outer 2mm inner, C location out inner hole.
SWB on rear hub
25 deg kickup with 5 deg castor blocks.
110 gram weight under lipos, no other extra weights on the car, no rear bolt on weight either.

[jonathan may]

were is the best place to mount weight on the front i have the 25deg brass kickup plate on the car

maybe a long camber link on the front will give me more steering .

[JACKOR33]

were is the best place to mount weight on the front i have the 25deg brass kickup plate on the car

maybe a long camber link on the front will give me more steering .

Ok so the car performs well over bumps, has plenty of forward bite and is a consistently quicker than a std car but i still am getting massive understeer which is stopping the car be alot quicker!

I have tried both setups suggested and also added 20g ontop of the servo to try and help the situation also rebuilt diffs and shock, and tried stagger ribs/ mini spikes but still lack decent steering:confused:

I have the brass 25deg shim on order also to try

Any ideas / setups from team drivers i can try?

thanks in advance

[GRIFF55]

Sorry mate, not ran mine at all since tally national. i know Belsten has managed to get his spot on and he is a steering monster:woot:. Might be worth sending him a pm to see what he is running if he doesnt post on here. One thing i do know is that, HE LOVES HIS TARDIS!!:thumbsup:

[JACKOR33]

I love my tardis but would love it soo much more if i could push it into the bends;)
I'll hopefully catch up with dave friday at caldicot or sunday at Taly WRCA round and steal his setup ideas:thumbsup:
Congrats on the new family member aswell welcome to sleepless nights lol:p

[Belsten]

Dave I will be at both Caldi Friday and Taly Sun so feel free to grab me. Got my Tardis spot on now and it has LOTS of steering, its awesome :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[migsy]

belsten, what have you changed on your 22 to get more steering? i got a lot going in to a turn but feels like its under-steering comeing out of the turn.

any ideas?

[Belsten]

are you running a tardis Alan ? Or standard mid 22 ?

[migsy]

I'm running standard at the moment, but any advice would help.

[Belsten]

Depends on what set up and tyres youre running at the moment dude ?

Seriously cant go wrong with Tardis though, well worth the investment :thumbsup:

[JACKOR33]

Well i changed to the suggested setup of the tardis using the 60wt rather than the lighter 35 wt setup griff was using and it was awesome:thumbsup:
Round the Talywain track today the car was Dialled and got me my best ever result with a Q4 in the A final and 5th finish position it also netted dave belsten Q1 in the A final and 1st finish position:D

It is by far the best purchase i have made for the 22 since getting it and anybody debating it should get one ordered;)

Well done team atomic carbon

dave

[GRIFF55]

Another happy customer:thumbsup:
Good result. Belsten is your next target;)

[terryh]

Ran my Tardis today at Eden Park, and it was dialled. It gave me loads of confidense to push much harder than I could with the standard car. Qualified 3rd overall and finished 5th, my best result, EVER!

[JACKOR33]

Another happy customer:thumbsup:
Good result. Belsten is your next target;)


So rd3 of the WRCA regionals took place yesterday and the tardis secured a 1st in mr belstens hands and a 2nd place for me, with a std 22 in 3rd:thumbsup:
So a AC/Losi 22 top 3 lockout:):)

The weather changed from damp start day to dry qualifiers, then 2 rounds of rain filled qualifiers and then a very wet final and i have to say the car was VERY planted in comparison to other cars:wub, i only added the extra rear weight kit to the suggested setup due to the conditions and only once the whole day did i loose the back end even on worn bb greens:woot::thumbsup:

The more i run this car the better it gets and so do my results:D

thumbs up again

[jeffrey]

I will show my tardis here as well
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[lcpvcce]

Good job mate..............:thumbsup:

[drop4205]

Just wondering if any of you have run the Tardis 22 on dirt and how it compared to the original 22 in mid motor on dirt. Also what brass weight are people using for the lipo weight?

[jeffrey]

With the stock losi in mid you almost can't drive On dirt :). With THE tardis you have à lot more grip:) i run also with THE Cream Weight and back weight from losi. I must still try alot but i feel there is a good setup possible for THE tardis On dirt :).

[derf]

bjr j' ai un chassis tardis y a t il un bon setup pour le chassis tardis sur suface astro
car de mon cote en acceleration en entre de virage mon train arriere se derobe glisse :confused::(

mon setup et av piston 4*54 huile 35 spring vert position shock 2/middle
ar piston 4*55 huile 30 spring rose ou orange positin schock 2/int

[VikNor]

Just bought a used but nearly perfect kit from a fellow oopler today. Cant wait to build and test it:). The 22 was dailed with my mid saddelpack 50G setup. The track is a Tight,rough high grip astro track. Any setup tips for that kind of astro track?. After reading this tread im a little bit nervous about understeer

[OldTimer]

Just bought a used but nearly perfect kit from a fellow oopler today. Cant wait to build and test it:). The 22 was dailed with my mid saddelpack 50G setup. The track is a Tight,rough high grip astro track. Any setup tips for that kind of astro track?. After reading this tread im a little bit nervous about understeer

This is the setup i use on my tardis for astro tracks, and i think understeer will not be a problem you will have :) the 22 is a very oversteery car, which we reduced by going to the 25 deg kickup and 5 deg castor blocks.


Front - 60 wt, 5 hole 1.5mm, Blue or Black spring
Rear - 60 wt, 5 hole 1.5mm, Yellow spring or Pink
4.0 deg HRC
2 deg AS
Front camber - long link, 1mm under both ball studs
Rear camber - 3mm outer 2mm inner, C location out inner hole.
SWB on rear hub
25 deg kickup with 5 deg castor blocks.
110 gram weight under lipos, no other extra weights on the car, no rear bolt on weight either.

[GRIFF55]

Mine/yours was bloody good around talywain astro track on whatever setup it had on. No understeer plus loads of rear end grip:thumbsup:

[VikNor]

Thanks alot for the fast reply:). The track is pretty bumpy. Should i go a little down on oil and springs?

[VikNor]

Trying to find a 110g weight that will fit but no luck. Anyone?. Had my first drive with the car yesterday. Wow,more grip and more steering. The only downside was the bumps. Really didnt handle that vell on the rough parts. Waithing for some 60wt losi oil,i think that will do the trick . This car has alot of potensial:)

[uijui]

Tried today tardis 22 on painted concrete. Setup was directly from my rear motor 22, as I just transfered parts to tardis. Also gear diff with 5000 oil. Car was quite fast from beginning, mini pins on both ends. Only took 10g of the back (losi mid motor weight). I also used under lipo weight. Rear grip is good in this car!

I will run this car at Finnish winterjumps next month..