come on people when is this C4.1 out

[Ckapp]

Hi everyone. Just to ask anyone or the people who will know when the C4.1 going to be out. I think theres about 5 or 6 people who got them. and for the people who are waiting and waiting. I know its all cool to see it winnin and seeing top drivers usein them, but i think its a bit unfair for the rest of us.

So over to u ..........................

[millzy]

August

[Big G]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1ece_1s4bkU/SzPdCagLrlI/AAAAAAAAFm8/t3jGnPi-AL0/s400/4151332269_554c6d57fb+be+patient+good+things+come+ to+those+who+wait+by+Mykl+Roventine+at+flickr.jpg

[Chrislong]

"Good", that fortune cooky is bit of an understatement isn't it?

[Chequered Flag Racing]

August

the one coming up or next year? :D

[Big G]

The Cat SX3 was being used for half the season also before the mortals were able to get their hands on it and that was only a week before Round 4.

If CML released the car now and it was failing constantly, etc their name would be dirt. Since they haven't released a car in a long time they want it perfect.

The DEX210 was run at Petit 2010 and again at 2011 and still no word on release.

At the end of the day these things take time to get right.

[RoyalCBR]

I can understand the need for getting a new release spot on, but it is very unfair to us mere mortals in competitive events (I don't include myself as I am nowhere near as good to make an A final) that some drivers are using equipment that everyone else doesn't have access to. :(

Doesn't anyone remember the old Rally homolgated regulations back in the good old days of the RS200?

[flipside]

I can understand the need for getting a new release spot on, but it is very unfair to us mere mortals in competitive events (I don't include myself as I am nowhere near as good to make an A final) that some drivers are using equipment that everyone else doesn't have access to. :(

Doesn't anyone remember the old Rally homolgated regulations back in the good old days of the RS200?

Then you better stop racing, or doing any kind of competition :-) They could test it secretly and not race it, but then you get a losi 22. :drool:

[Lonestar]

it isn't that unfair when you think about it - the reason why these 5 or 6 guys get to run such prototypes when us mere mortals don't is that they've proven countless times that they're above the rest to start with... so, B4.1 or C4.1 they'd still whoop your rear anyway ;)

Now I'd rather have them test it fully before releasing it to the public anyway than push a lemon on the market (DNX408 anyone?)

Paul

[Richard Lowe]

Still a few changes to be made yet chaps, nothing major - just a few refinements to make sure it's spot on for everyone :)

[Big G]

don't forget that Robbo was also in the A final with the B4.1 so rush out and buy one :D

CML will sort you out hehe

[styleone]

I agree with most comments really. Waiting that little bit longer will mean nothing when we all know the kit is smack on. Its currently being driven by the best drivers in the country...who better to iron out the creases ey?

I'm really keen to see it out in the market aswell though, especially as it reminds me of an oldschool S2 on ali steriods ;)

[Col]

Just to stir it up a bit...

"silver" schu spikes were withdrawn from an earlier national due to not being commercially available. How is the C4 allowed to race at nationals?

[Richard Lowe]

We run control tyres - not control chassis :)

[The Hoff]

C4.1 wins in Denmark ;) http://www.redrc.net/2011/06/jonas-kaerup-win-2wd-110-danish-off-road-national-race/#more-43956

[_sleigh_]

Just to stir it up a bit...

"silver" schu spikes were withdrawn from an earlier national due to not being commercially available. How is the C4 allowed to race at nationals?

I can see where you're coming from but there are only two items specifically within the 1/10th Off-Road section rules which have any relation to 'commercially available'. These are;



All wheels and tyres must be commercially available
Any commercially available 1/10th scale bodyshell may be used....


And to clarify what 'commercially available' means within the rules, this is;

Where the term commercially available appears in BRCA documentation in regard to racing equipment allowed in 1/10th Off-Road Sanctioned events, it is defined as any item or items being accessible for purchase by anyone and therefore must be or have been available in UK retail outlets in reasonable volume at any one time.There are obviously other times when commercially available applies to our section and these mainly relate to cells/motors etc. but these are dealt with under the 'Electric Board' rules.


The bodyshell we're currently using has been temporarily adopted from a.n.other car to allow testing to progress, so therefore has been previously available commercially at some point in the past. In fact this manufacturer has had previous National success (see The Mighty Chris Doughty (http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2008national-edenpark/index.html)!!) without any problems in this area.

:)

[Northy]

Close but no cigar....

Not shells Phil :D

G

[Tom3012]

When its ready? Its not really an unfair advantage because the guys using it were the guys at the top anyway.... :p

[_sleigh_]

Close but no cigar....

Not shells Phil :D

G

22.4 :p

[Northy]

22.4 :p

You know what, I had a chat with someone about shells at RHR and was told there was no rule....

*fires up Outlook*

Hat off to you Phil :D

[OldTimer]

In fact this manufacturer has had previous National success (see The Mighty Chris Doughty (http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2008national-edenpark/index.html)!!) without any problems in this area.

:)

Them were the days and the car looked the business ;)

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2008national-edenpark/OOP_8768.jpg

[Ckapp]

Tom said this over a month ago at least. (sorry tom)

we have unfortunately had a bit of supplier issue, so project has been set back somewhat, but the delay is weeks rather than mouths.

ok got that

then i know there top guys, but there were 2 , then 4 and 6 , i think. so thay must be makin them just not a lot.
see my point now

again over to u all .....................

[Yardeeee]

I know where you are all coming from, I was a customer long before a team driver and whilst you say its unfair that the team have them now, they don’t have them just to spite you, in the long term it’s on your behalf and whilst now racing the car and seeing the buzz created has been a great time for me personally as someone involved in the project from its inception, there have been the less exciting days...

Leaving work at 5:30, travelling 40 minutes to a track so that we could test elements of the car as much as possible before it got too dark. Giving up Saturdays to do the same, in the cold and rain of late winter. Constant emails between the very small group of people involved, hours on the CAD machine for the main designer who can't act without constant, accurate feedback and information which sometimes was given via a notepad, pencil and calculator as well as the on track findings.

Remember, this is a project by CML, a UK distributor who already distribute a hugely successful 2wd chassis which continues to sell very well throughout the world - but on behalf of their UK market, both team driver and customer they are taking this hugely risky but committed plunge. They are not an established manufacturer with endless manufacturing possibilities to hand, it's a substantial investment for them and they need to be certain that they get it right and that takes time.

It is a lot of effort but everyone involved is delighted with the initial outcome and we know the customers will be also, but producing a car that is easy to drive, has support from a team of respected drivers and is very cost effective, isn't achieved overnight. Trust me, everyone is 100% committed to getting this car out ASAP, and that is when it will be out.

[Col]

blah blah!

Thanks Phil, I clearly misunderstood the rules!

[Ckapp]

Thank you Tom :thumbsup:

[KRob]

Tom's been an absolute star helping with this project and his comments pretty much cover it.
Trust me, CML will get it out as soon as we can!

For those that are interested the C4.1 has been designated a part number of 'C0001'

[RoyalCBR]

Them were the days and the car looked the business ;)

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2008national-edenpark/OOP_8768.jpg

What is that beauty???? :woot:

[MiCk B.]

Hey,

This is a picture of Jonas Kaerup C4.1

http://rcspecial.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ka2200611.jpg

Is that an extension on the motor sensor lead that I see over the speedo?

Any one know who makes them? And are the needed for the C4.1.

Thanks,

MiCk B. :-)

[KRob]

Mick,
It's an adapter you have to use with the GM speedo.
They use a different plug into the speedo so is specific to using a GM.
There are plenty of companies that do standard fitment sensor cables long enough to use in a C4.1.
Hope that makes sense.

[flipside]

I also don't think you need a longer cable than in a std b4, the speedo is more up front, but so is the motor :-) In my cr2 I used the same cable as in my B4.

[jimmy]

I can see where you're coming from but there are only two items specifically within the 1/10th Off-Road section rules which have any relation to 'commercially available'. These are;



All wheels and tyres must be commercially available
Any commercially available 1/10th scale bodyshell may be used....


And to clarify what 'commercially available' means within the rules, this is;

There are obviously other times when commercially available applies to our section and these mainly relate to cells/motors etc. but these are dealt with under the 'Electric Board' rules.


The bodyshell we're currently using has been temporarily adopted from a.n.other car to allow testing to progress, so therefore has been previously available commercially at some point in the past. In fact this manufacturer has had previous National success (see The Mighty Chris Doughty (http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2008national-edenpark/index.html)!!) without any problems in this area.

:)

I think you're reading the bodyshell rule wrongly - correct me if I'm wrong but that particular 'rule' mentions only commercially available bodyshells and is a statement of fact - that yes, you MAY use any commercially available bodyshell.
It mentions nothing about you MUST, or ONLY etc. This rule is either intended as the way I've just put it (to inform) or horribly worded and therefore invalid.

I'll run a coke bottle at the next round to prove the point :woot:

[VintageRacer]

People seem to be getting worked up about team drivers having the advantage with the new, yet to be released, cars.

At some point there must be a disadvantage too though, when the car very new and is a short journey along it's development path I can see at least two potential disadvantages:


Design changing frequently making it harder to get used to the feel of the car.
Spare parts availablity not being that great.

I know some of these issues will be ironed out before they see a competition race, but to a degree there must still be issues with running such a new design.

[MiCk B.]

Mick,
It's an adapter you have to use with the GM speedo.
..........
Hope that makes sense.

Yep

Cheers for that. Didn't know that about the GM speedo.

MiCk B. :-)

[TheReferee]

I think you're reading the bodyshell rule wrongly - correct me if I'm wrong but that particular 'rule' mentions only commercially available bodyshells and is a statement of fact - that yes, you MAY use any commercially available bodyshell.
It mentions nothing about you MUST, or ONLY etc. This rule is either intended as the way I've just put it (to inform) or horribly worded and therefore invalid.

I'll run a coke bottle at the next round to prove the point :woot:

ok i will correct you. your wrong:lol:. maybe?. i am not sure why you could not run a "coke bottle" style shell, i am all for innovation and trying different theories on shell aerodynamics. however as i read it you must use a commercially available shell. you are correct it is a bit "wooly" in its wording and i am sure an amendment may be on the cards if that is the case.
will try to find out why you could not use a development shell of your own design at an event, which is really the only place your going to find out if it works or not, providing the shell is in accordance with other rules reference holes etc i dont think we should be stifling development.

john

[Mossy]

Tom is spot on. People dont appreciate the time and effort that goes in to developing a car that is not only competitve but respected.

Nice to read this thread tho, normally this is the sort of stuff on the Schumacher thread!

[jimmy]

ok i will correct you. your wrong:lol:. maybe?. i am not sure why you could not run a "coke bottle" style shell, i am all for innovation and trying different theories on shell aerodynamics. however as i read it you must use a commercially available shell. you are correct it is a bit "wooly" in its wording and i am sure an amendment may be on the cards if that is the case.
will try to find out why you could not use a development shell of your own design at an event, which is really the only place your going to find out if it works or not, providing the shell is in accordance with other rules reference holes etc i dont think we should be stifling development.

john

The rules don't actually say what you think they are intending to say. I believe you are reading too much into it.

[Big G]

surely there are trillions of coke bottles commercially available :D

[adey]

i have a question. If i was to make my own car and run that, is that fair ?. The car i have is a losi xxx cr which i mid motored myself and i enjoy using it but as its not comercially available surely it follows the same issues as team guys using cars like the centro. With the cost of these cars today i am glad these guys are trying to make sure the car is sorted before it goes on sale. For me, i just enjoy making my own parts.

[jimmy]

As long as your car fits within the rules then there's no problems at all.

If it's a frame buggy then it doesn't even need a body :woot:

[racingdwarf]

few years ago when the RC8 first came out I think it did close to a full national season with the team drivers before the genral public could get hold of one;)

[TheReferee]

The rules don't actually say what you think they are intending to say. I believe you are reading too much into it.

i think they say what i think they say whether what i think they say is what i think they intend to say is of course two completely different things.
i think that clears it up:woot:.

in other words your right Jimmy (i think)

[adey]

speaking of rules, i dont think its a good idea allowing the small lipos to be used. What i mean is that lipos should be either stick or saddle and the same size regardless of maker. I am refering to the small lipo used in the tlr 22. Cars have as long as i can remember been designed around the electrics used, not designing the electrics around the cars. I dont expect many to aggree with me on this.

[peetbee]

On that basis we would never have had saddle packs. Or even worse, does anyone else remember the Tamiya 'hump' packs - we could have been stuck with that!

[adey]

i take it you do you not think there should be any control over battery size then. I didnt think many would agree with me but it makes me wonder what buggies will be like in 10 years time in terms of changing the dimensions of the battery placement.

[mark christopher]

few years ago when the RC8 first came out I think it did close to a full national season with the team drivers before the genral public could get hold of one;)

speaking of rules, i dont think its a good idea allowing the small lipos to be used. What i mean is that lipos should be either stick or saddle and the same size regardless of maker. I am refering to the small lipo used in the tlr 22. Cars have as long as i can remember been designed around the electrics used, not designing the electrics around the cars. I dont expect many to aggree with me on this.

On that basis we would never have had saddle packs. Or even worse, does anyone else remember the Tamiya 'hump' packs - we could have been stuck with that!


i take it you do you not think there should be any control over battery size then. I didnt think many would agree with me but it makes me wonder what buggies will be like in 10 years time in terms of changing the dimensions of the battery placement.

there are max dimensions, the smaller packs will fit in a car designed for bigger packs!

[neiloliver]

[QUOTE=The bodyshell we're currently using)[/QUOTE]

..does this mean the final C4.1 will have another shell? not the S2 shell?

Neil

[AndyG]

When Cragg on the Worlds, didn't he only have 5 of the 6 cells wired up? ... To reduce the punch on the loose dirt ... Or am I talking out of my arris?

[daz]

When Cragg on the Worlds, didn't he only have 5 of the 6 cells wired up? ... To reduce the punch on the loose dirt ... Or am I talking out of my arris?
Not sure about the Worlds, but a few used to do this at the Tiverton national track.

[ben]

When Cragg on the Worlds, didn't he only have 5 of the 6 cells wired up? ... To reduce the punch on the loose dirt ... Or am I talking out of my arris?

Correct :)

[gazhillAE]

it isn't that unfair when you think about it - the reason why these 5 or 6 guys get to run such prototypes when us mere mortals don't is that they've proven countless times that they're above the rest to start with... so, B4.1 or C4.1 they'd still whoop your rear anyway ;)

Now I'd rather have them test it fully before releasing it to the public anyway than push a lemon on the market (DNX408 anyone?)

Paul

Cat sx2 anyone! :thumbdown:

[westie]

Any news on when this is out?
Have put my name down :thumbsup:

[styleone]

Any news on when this is out?
Have put my name down :thumbsup:

I pre-ordered mine today with Mark at MKRacing :thumbsup:...I hear that they will drop at the end of August...its like a big cocktail of S2 and newschool ali chassis madness that is waiting to burst!! :drool: Can't wait!

[Richard Lowe]

It's going to be well worth the wait!

I've got nothing but good things to say about the car after Oswestry, I managed my best ever 2wd national result with essentially zero running before the meeting, roll on Southport :drool:

[Crash]

Trying not to sound a complete donkey here but what's going to be included in the C4.1 kit?
Chassis
Gearbox
Rear bulkhead and shock tower

Anything else??

[mark christopher]

id say a body too and poss the extra idler gear, in fact knowing cml, everything bar the b4/4.1

[neiloliver]

Pre-Ordered. Cant Wait :) :thumbsup:

You must also get the wing mounts, lipo tray, the battery strap, the brass fixing posts for the front bulkhead... and hopefully some CML C4.1 stickers (CML... if you have not done these then you have about a month to do so please :).

and a very small instruction manual?

oh, and very narrow velcro?

[styleone]

Pre-Ordered. Cant Wait :) :thumbsup:

You must also get the wing mounts, lipo tray, the battery strap, the brass fixing posts for the front bulkhead... and hopefully some CML C4.1 stickers (CML... if you have not done these then you have about a month to do so please :).

and a very small instruction manual?

oh, and very narrow velcro?


....oh and some window masks that have window surrounds already cut in them ;)..oh...and the last thing but by no means the least....oh!..no thats the lot thanks :thumbsup:

[RobW]

Anyone in the know about a latest release date or are we still looking end of August?

Starting to build up bits of a B4.1 already so I can get it to the track that little bit quicker!! So sad.

Rob

[millzy]

Still End of August I have been told by the CML rep

[styleone]

Well, first of August and only about 28 days to wait if what people are hearing is correct. I hope that CML do the right thing and release a full box content/tech spec before the release for all who have pre-ordered ...keep those fingers crossed guys cuz if the rumor mill is correct...only 28 sleeps to go ;)

Not that we are fiending or anything you must understand :blush:

[RobW]

I reckon it's going to be a race between the C4.1 and the new Durango to get released first.

Be fun if they get released at the same time - we can all turn up at our tracks the first weekend and try and work out if we've bought the right car:D

Rob

[styleone]

As much as I am dying for a good look at both (I have pre-ordered my C4.1 :thumbsup:) I think the rango will drop first purely due to the fact that they have been developing it for a real long time and they must be very near full production quota. CML will know that the longer they hold out for final 'ironing out' the closer Cragg may get to taking the 2wd Nationals...therefore the bigger the demand as far as the consumers desire for the C4.1. I also feel that due to the fact that the C4.1 is a collaborative project between several parties, that the final stages of design and production will take a little longer than a department in a solo company.

Either way...can not wait to see them both...but C4.1 is going to be epic I feel :wub

[tyreman]

As much as I am dying for a good look at both (I have pre-ordered my C4.1 :thumbsup:) I think the rango will drop first purely due to the fact that they have been developing it for a real long time and they must be very near full production quota. CML will know that the longer they hold out for final 'ironing out' the closer Cragg may get to taking the 2wd Nationals...therefore the bigger the demand as far as the consumers desire for the C4.1. I also feel that due to the fact that the C4.1 is a collaborative project between several parties, that the final stages of design and production will take a little longer than a department in a solo company.

Either way...can not wait to see them both...but C4.1 is going to be epic I feel :wub
Neil can't be beaten for the 2wd title, i think Bradders can tie with him though.

[Dudders]

As the B4.1 front end is used on the X6 and Vega, the C4.1 rear will do for me! Just ordered mine :thumbsup:

[arransmith27]

The only 2wd buggies that I have raced have been rear motored.

How much differently will a mid motored car handle here in the UK?

Just looking to gather some info, as i'm keen to give the c4.1 a go (when it finally appears that is :woot:)

[styleone]

The only 2wd buggies that I have raced have been rear motored.

How much differently will a mid motored car handle here in the UK?

Just looking to gather some info, as i'm keen to give the c4.1 a go (when it finally appears that is :woot:)


As you may imagine, having the motor mass over or ,in front in most cases, of the rear axles gives us a number of massive benefits. The cars benefit from bags of straight line traction, they carry more speed in the corners and generally sit down and play ball a lot easier on british medium to high grip astro etc. The mid configuration negates the pendulum effect at the cars arse end and pushes all the rotational energy of the rear end across the centre of the chassis, hopefully making the cars go where you point the nose (in most cases anyway lol)

Most mid buggys also benefit from 4 gear transmissions that are set up with a neutral idler gear, this allows for the extra gear required for spinning the gear boxes around inside not to effect the out put gear ratio.

In summary, bags of grip, no crazy sloppy arse end :) and rotational mass in the centre of the chassis. If you havnt driven mid motor then get on it, as you can see by manufacturers moves in the past couple of years, its just streets ahead on high grip british surfaces. Hence a lot of buggys being released with both configurations possible out the kit box.

Let's not forget though that Lee Martin still drives MOA (motor out the arse) and he is not exactly slow :), if you find yourself ever on loose dirt then the old school format is still king (as shown in this years worlds)

The C4.1 is going to be a corker so get your pre order in hy

[styleone]

The only 2wd buggies that I have raced have been rear motored.

How much differently will a mid motored car handle here in the UK?

Just looking to gather some info, as i'm keen to give the c4.1 a go (when it finally appears that is :woot:)


Oh yeah, and they look as cool as Jack Frosts shoes lol ;)

[Pownabown]

Ive heard that they maybe releasing the new c4.1 start of next month i believe now

[RobW]

Ive heard that they maybe releasing the new c4.1 start of next month i believe now

Let's hope so. I'm amazed at the lack of info on this. The CML site announced it in March saying more details to follow and since then nothing, zip.

Sure it'll all be worth it and I guess CML think they don't really need to spend any time hyping it up before the launch given the results.

Starting to think the first I'll hear anymore about it is when MK e-mail me to say the kits are in and they want some money!!

Rob

[Dave Dodd]

I have just been in touch with Cml and they say hopefully end of the month/ early September :)

but still no price yet :eh?:

[Aran]

My bet is around £145-£160 :)

[MK Racing]

My bet is around £145-£160 :)
Think rrp closer to £170 is more realistic ;)

[markwilliamson2001]

£380 for a 2wd buggy? Are we joking???

[MK Racing]

£380 for a 2wd buggy? Are we joking???

Yes it is a lot but NO different to a Vega or X-Factory X-6 conversion (before they released a complete car).....and lots of people are running them.

Marc

[Martijn]

Is the C4.1 also good on dirt tracks?

[arransmith27]

As you may imagine, having the motor mass over or ,in front in most cases, of the rear axles gives us a number of massive benefits. The cars benefit from bags of straight line traction, they carry more speed in the corners and generally sit down and play ball a lot easier on british medium to high grip astro etc. The mid configuration negates the pendulum effect at the cars arse end and pushes all the rotational energy of the rear end across the centre of the chassis, hopefully making the cars go where you point the nose (in most cases anyway lol)

Most mid buggys also benefit from 4 gear transmissions that are set up with a neutral idler gear, this allows for the extra gear required for spinning the gear boxes around inside not to effect the out put gear ratio.

In summary, bags of grip, no crazy sloppy arse end :) and rotational mass in the centre of the chassis. If you havnt driven mid motor then get on it, as you can see by manufacturers moves in the past couple of years, its just streets ahead on high grip british surfaces. Hence a lot of buggys being released with both configurations possible out the kit box.

Let's not forget though that Lee Martin still drives MOA (motor out the arse) and he is not exactly slow :), if you find yourself ever on loose dirt then the old school format is still king (as shown in this years worlds)

The C4.1 is going to be a corker so get your pre order in hy

Thanks :thumbsup:

Just need to wait and see when it finally comes out lol

[styleone]

Yes it is a lot but NO different to a Vega or X-Factory X-6 conversion (before they released a complete car).....and lots of people are running them.

Marc

I agree Marc, its a close total price to building either vega or x6 squared. As always the conversion will be mainly targeted at existing b4.1 owners, those who want to create a centro but are not associated owners can pick up a cheap 2nd hand roller, in fact if you actually itemise the b4.1 parts needed to do most mid conversions, people could just order the parts and a centro and away you go. The most expensive individual part (full retail price) will prob be the diff.

Either way I think its fair to say that most top flight conversions are around the same price these days if you already own the transplant car then bonus

[KRob]

Let's hope so. I'm amazed at the lack of info on this. The CML site announced it in March saying more details to follow and since then nothing, zip.

Sure it'll all be worth it and I guess CML think they don't really need to spend any time hyping it up before the launch given the results.

Starting to think the first I'll hear anymore about it is when MK e-mail me to say the kits are in and they want some money!!

Rob

Hi Rob,
We've not confirmed anything with pictures yet as we don't have any of the specific parts finished in production form (yet).

Although I can confirm all the parts are now going through the production process.

All the cars we've run have been subtely different and have changed along the way and there is no point putting anything up about those, other than it is work in progress.
Jimmy has covered the car in some of his race reports though so photos are out there and we've given it an article about every three weeks or so (as it wins another national) so it hasn't been forgotten on the news pages.

Hoping for about 2-3 weeks but obviously that could change.

This is the first time I've seen a project like this being run, and whilst I'm not involved in it directly I am aware of what is going on and it's really opened my eyes with regard to how it's much more time consuming it is then I ever thought it would (or even could) be!!
But trust me - it's worth waiting for.

[RobW]

Hi Rob,
We've not confirmed anything with pictures yet as we don't have any of the specific parts finished in production form (yet).

Although I can confirm all the parts are now going through the production process.

All the cars we've run have been subtely different and have changed along the way and there is no point putting anything up about those, other than it is work in progress.
Jimmy has covered the car in some of his race reports though so photos are out there and we've given it an article about every three weeks or so (as it wins another national) so it hasn't been forgotten on the news pages.

Hoping for about 2-3 weeks but obviously that could change.

This is the first time I've seen a project like this being run, and whilst I'm not involved in it directly I am aware of what is going on and it's really opened my eyes with regard to how it's much more time consuming it is then I ever thought it would (or even could) be!!
But trust me - it's worth waiting for.


Thanks, Keith, I wasn't really have a go , but you know how you get when you want your new toy, even old gits like me who probably won't go any faster anyway:)

When are you going to get back down to TORCH and show us how to set our C4.1s up then? We could supply the biscuits:thumbsup:

Rob

[super__dan]

This is the first time I've seen a project like this being run, and whilst I'm not involved in it directly I am aware of what is going on and it's really opened my eyes with regard to how it's much more time consuming it is then I ever thought it would (or even could) be!!


Though this thread is nothing to do with me I can empathise entirely with this, sometimes it's the smallest details, being let down by external companies that really sets you back etc.

[KRob]

No worries Rob,
Didn't take it as having a dig :)

I improved my results a the nationals by two finals by changing to the C4.1 so there's hope for all of us yet :woot:

TORCH is a bit of a trek for me know..........but if there's biscuits......

[MK Racing]

No worries Rob,
Didn't take it as having a dig :)

I improved my results a the nationals by two finals by changing to the C4.1 so there's hope for all of us yet :woot:

TORCH is a bit of a trek for me know..........but if there's biscuits......

Must be good if it made YOU improve :p

Can sort out pit space for you if you want to come this Sunday :thumbsup: Be like old times :woot:

Marc

[Chequered Flag Racing]

£380 for a 2wd buggy? Are we joking???

How about the V-Dezign 12th Pan Car for £280 (http://www.v-dezign.net/carpet-ripper-v2) before shipping.

People will buy them because of the quality and perceived advantage they are getting.

[colmo]

What changes from the pre-production models are there likely to be?

Some attempts were made to talk me out of the c4.1 because, compared to the DEX210 production model at the Invernational, the c4.1 wasn't so polished. My take is that this is an apples-to-oranges comparison, as the c4.1s on show at the same event were pre-production.

[flipside]

What changes from the pre-production models are there likely to be?

Some attempts were made to talk me out of the c4.1 because, compared to the DEX210 production model at the Invernational, the c4.1 wasn't so polished. My take is that this is an apples-to-oranges comparison, as the c4.1s on show at the same event were pre-production.

It's apples to oranges, because the C4.1 is a conversion kit for an existing car.

If you already have a b4 with spares and everything, changing to a durango will cost you a lot more, even if the car itself costs less (compared to new b4 kit + c4.1 conversion).

[colmo]

It's apples to oranges, because the C4.1 is a conversion kit for an existing car.

If you already have a b4 with spares and everything, changing to a durango will cost you a lot more, even if the car itself costs less (compared to new b4 kit + c4.1 conversion).

That was my thought. I also wanted to keep the B4 for a dirt track I run at, and the c4.1 for astro.

[styleone]

I hear a whisper of around the 12th September for this beast to hit the stores! I'm not in the habit of wishing my days away.....but has anybody else got that 'night before Christmas when you were 7 years old' feeling? :p lol

[Crash]

are there anymore updates on a release date yet?
i'll settle for rumour or fact - not fussed really :lol:

[arny]

Any news? Late August has arrived.

[Pops]

Any news? Late August has arrived.

Anyone know anything?

[peetbee]

It won't be available in August!:p

sorry nothing constructive here:cry:

[Pops]

It won't be available in August!:p

sorry nothing constructive here:cry:

Still 4hrs to go:woot:
Im even harassing mr knight and he just texed me from his holidays:blush:

[styleone]

I am really shocked at the lack of info regarding either the true release date or the shipped spec. Obviously there is a big anticipation for this buggy...but no info is very frustrating...it of course does fuel healthy pre release speculation but also makes it very difficult for some people who may be currently trying to weigh up their first mid motor car....I've spoken to a few recently who have chosen other brands due to lack of info from CML. Now of course the buggy is set to be amazing but alot of us have based our pre orders on seeing the proto versions....fingers crossed we get some info fairly sharpish as I think I speak for a lot of people when I say...we cant wait...come on CML...INFO PLEEEEASE??
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[arransmith27]

Hmmmmmm..... Durango DEX210 for me at this rate.....

Must say that being left in the dark and the lack of info is starting to get a bit annoying :(

[PTRU]

Parts are still in production no point letting anybody know about a date until CML have all the parts in one place saying that it should be soon:)

[Richard Lowe]

I think Keith (KRob who'd normally update the progress on this thread) is on holiday at the moment... :)

[tellor]

Parts are still in production

You couldn't exactly say what parts could you?

[Adyb]

Don't see the point in moaning about when the car will be released. This season is almost over and a new car now will make no difference to overall results. Car will be here before the winter season kicks in, do winter testing with the car and shake down for next year.:thumbsup:
No point jumping ship and getting a car you will regret later on.

Results speak for themselves so it's defo worth the wait.

Cragg is an exception, but its the rest of the teams results that have jumped up that makes this car interesting (no disrespect to the other drivers, you know what i mean);):D

[wezzer]

Hi
ok the lack of info is that there is none ! if we had anything new to tell you we would :thumbsup:
the car is still in pre production and any info or delivery dates will be released as and when its ready !:thumbsup:

[canon67]

Hi
ok the lack of info is that there is none ! if we had anything new to tell you we would :thumbsup:
the car is still in pre production and any info or delivery dates will be released as and when its ready !:thumbsup:

Wy don't you just buy a X-6 this thing is the best mid. car out there and its available tried, tested and true.

I was waithing on the C4.1 car but just got an other X-6 one for dirt and carpet.:thumbsup:

[westie]

I see Trackside spares have put a RRP of £149.99

[styleone]

I see Trackside spares have put a RRP of £149.99

Seems like a steal at that price! :) if that's the RRP then I'm sure most competative retailers will discount it slightly as well. Although seeing a low RRP does make me worry a bit.....cheaper is virtually never better in my humble experience so my main question would be, what may they leave out or produce cheaply to sell at the low price compared to their rivals....they still gotta make money as well?

Well at least good old TrackSide have been forward thinking enough to put a RRP up online, well done chaps as its great to see some info released, keep the discussions flowing guys and gals, the rumour mill continues to churn :)

[westie]

Seems like a steal at that price! :) if that's the RRP then I'm sure most competative retailers will discount it slightly as well. Although seeing a low RRP does make me worry a bit.....cheaper is virtually never better in my humble experience so my main question would be, what may they leave out or produce cheaply to sell at the low price compared to their rivals....they still gotta make money as well?

Well at least good old TrackSide have been forward thinking enough to put a RRP up online, well done chaps as its great to see some info released, keep the discussions flowing guys and gals, the rumour mill continues to churn :)

Looks a good price to me, perhaps some bits are being made out of this country to bring cost's down, just now need to purchase a new b4.1 so everything is nice and new :)

[styleone]

Looks a good price to me, perhaps some bits are being made out of this country to bring cost's down, just now need to purchase a new b4.1 so everything is nice and new :)


It would be great news if a few suppliers offered a deal if you purchased the b4.1 and the centro at the same time, not only would it make great value for us, but would also sell more kits for them. Win win :)

[Darren Boyle]

It would be great news if a few suppliers offered a deal if you purchased the b4.1 and the centro at the same time, not only would it make great value for us, but would also sell more kits for them. Win win :)
We have already put a pre-order "combo" price on our DMS website for both the B4.1 and C4.1 together......

However the £149.99 RRP that is being shown around we are "reliably" informed by people very high up at CML that it is now NOT a very realistic estimate as to what the RRP will be when it does come out. They had hoped for it to be £150 but as costs have risen it is now far more likely to be higher sadly.....

The truth is, until CML get ALL of the parts in and the fit and function on them all is spot on etc they cannot confirm what the RRP will be, however they are currently informing shops like us that they "expect" it to be around the £170 mark at present which is what our pre-order is based on.....

[tellor]

Bodyshells being delivered to CML today/tomorrow.

Must be close now

[styleone]

Bodyshells being delivered to CML today/tomorrow.

Must be close now



Hold tight gents...its a coming:woot:

[Darren Boyle]

Bodyshells being delivered to CML today/tomorrow.

Must be close now

But bodies are not what they have been waiting for.......

So dont think this makes any huge change to when it is coming tbh.

[chris68nufc]

But bodies are not what they have been waiting for.......

So dont think this makes any huge change to when it is coming tbh.

We are all excited, let us have some hope:thumbsup:

[Darren Boyle]

We are all excited, let us have some hope:thumbsup: Sorry :blush:

Just trying to be realistic here, we want them as much as everyone else since we get to "sell them" :D

[arny]

the clock still ticking...

[styleone]

the clock still ticking...

Like 2wd ali time bomb ;) lol almost there chaps...hold tight

[gazhillAE]

Sorry :blush:

Just trying to be realistic here, we want them as much as everyone else since we get to "sell them" :D

Darren

Can you get me a shell ASAP if possible?
Will they let you order these yet??

Gaz

[KRob]

Nothing set in stone yet, but not much longer hopefully.

Waiting on first production items to arrive within the next 14 days or so, then once they have been QC'd then it will only be a few days after and we should have it all available.

The instructions will probably be the final stumbling block so if people are desperate to get the kits then we could probably release them without any formal instructions. But then it's not rocket surgery anyway...

As for bodyshells. We have those (enough for kits and to be able to list as a spare). We'll get a part number and price sorted and as soon as we have that info we'll get it posted here.

[GRIFF55]

Sorry kieth......rocket surgery! That's awesome:thumbsup: is it similar to brain science:woot:
Is there going to be a new design shell or is the sexy one the guys are running going out with the kit? ( hope it is )

[Darren Boyle]

Darren

Can you get me a shell ASAP if possible?
Will they let you order these yet??

Gaz

Hi Gaz,

Nothing coming out from CML at present as per Keiths post really :cry:

[peetbee]

Don't worry about instructions, I'm sure we'll be fine!

[Richard Lowe]

Is there going to be a new design shell or is the sexy one the guys are running going out with the kit? ( hope it is )
Initial batch will be the S2 shell we're running on the prototypes I think :)

[wezzer]

there will be a WEZ design option shell available at some point for the C4.1 :thumbsup:

[westie]

there will be a WEZ design option shell available at some point for the C4.1 :thumbsup:


Nice, can't wait to get one ;)

[MK Racing]

there will be a WEZ design option shell available at some point for the C4.1 :thumbsup:
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[GRIFF55]

That'll be a beetle then:thumbsup:

[KRob]

Some info coming tomorrow...

[Crash]

You little tease haha

[styleone]

Some info coming tomorrow...

Hmmmm, that was a close call me thinks, I very nearly stepped over to the dark side this afternoon and I saw this post and lifted my hand off the mouse pad! Ok then guys.....lay it on us? :)

[RobW]

Some info coming tomorrow...

Come on, it's tomorrow now (well actually it is still today but you know what I mean....) - spill the beans:woot::woot:

Rob

[The Pookster]

Any chance of some C4.1 set-ups in advance so we can get the right weights and other non B4.1 parts etc?

[Richard Lowe]

The only 'optional' thing I've been running on mine is a Trish (40g) brass front bulkhead. I think the three brass front posts that tie the chassis to the topdeck at the front will be options (aluminium in the kit AFAIK), though I imagine you'll be able to get those when you order your kit :)

[arny]

we hope the news will be a a picture of something, gearbox, something...:wub

[Disco-Panda]

look guys im as excited as you are and am awaiting that email to say there here but give the guys chance

perfection takes time! they cant just bring a car out willy nilly and hope it works there alot of work behind the scenes to ensure that the car is AWSOME

youl just have to be patient ! :) saying that after using Tom Yardys at the f3,4,5s i have to say it is an awsome viechle already

[KRob]

Pictures won't follow until we have production items in our hands - sorry :cry:

I can confirm we will be doing some optional brass weights :thumbsup:

[kimipt]

Pictures won't follow until we have production items in our hands - sorry :cry:

I can confirm we will be doing some optional brass weights :thumbsup:

Im hoping this isn't the only information that will become public today.

[gazhillAE]

Im hoping this isn't the only information that will become public today.

Ditto :thumbdown:
Keith, are these weights you mention got anything to do with trishbits?
I know he sells the slabs of lead which it looks like it's been running under the top deck in front of servo.......
Also are there still no shells which can be bought as I'm desperate to get one into the spray booth ready!

[styleone]

I watched Phil Sleigh at a local club meeting last week driving his centro...obviously Phil is a true master of indoor carpet...but even so the car was just amazing...it shook off the hard hairpins like they were straight lines...it WILL be worth the wait :thumbsup: It may even make us mortals look a tiny bit better...perhaps...It was flat, planted and responsive, all credit to the pilot as well :woot:

[eb4_boy]

Update for all: :)

http://www.cmldistribution.co.uk/news.php?view=0000001811

[KRob]

http://www.cmldistribution.co.uk/news.php?view=0000001811

I appreciate everyone wants to hear that that car is ready, unfortunately that's not quite the case yet but we are getting there.

As you can see the car specific parts are now all listed - some are in stock (yes, the shells) - and orders can be placed for anything you think you'll need.

There is a blank set-up sheet and set-ups from the team will appear on the site very soon. (apologies it's not right away but CML obviously have other business to deal with as well as the Centro).

I still can't believe how much work it is to get what 'looks' like a relatively simple project into production.

The brass items are not coming from Trish

[eb4_boy]

Sorry for pipping you there Keith :P

Liam G

[MK Racing]

http://www.cmldistribution.co.uk/news.php?view=0000001811

I appreciate everyone wants to hear that that car is ready, unfortunately that's not quite the case yet but we are getting there.

As you can see the car specific parts are now all listed - some are in stock (yes, the shells) - and orders can be placed for anything you think you'll need.

There is a blank set-up sheet and set-ups from the team will appear on the site very soon. (apologies it's not right away but CML obviously have other business to deal with as well as the Centro).

I still can't believe how much work it is to get what 'looks' like a relatively simple project into production.

The brass items are not coming from Trish

Keith,

Cheers for the update :thumbsup:

Marc

Link to MK Racing Centro C4.1 Post (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?p=556991#post556991)

[Crash]

Thanks for the update. I'm certain it's going to be worth every penny :thumbsup:

All I need now is a bit more patience!! :lol:

[oddski77]

I guess the C4.1 will fit this track (http://www.youtube.com/user/StarfootRC#p/u/0/cEFJ0eMbqok) very well;). Too bad the season is almost over, and no indoor tracks nearby.

[carpenterdean]

I for one don't mind waiting for the kit, i'd rather the thing was right first time than it be rushed into production only to have to start spending more and more on different parts to make it work how you want. I say well done to cml for taking the time to get it right :thumbsup:well done guys.

[Chippy96]

Does anyone know if AE themselves had/have any input into this project themselves?There are quite a few "chats" about the possibility of a B5,but would they bother now?

[colmo]

Does anyone know if AE themselves had/have any input into this project themselves?There are quite a few "chats" about the possibility of a B5,but would they bother now?

I doubt the c4.1 will have any influence on the B5 - it'll likely still be rear-motor (though possibly not exclusively), as it will be developed for US tracks. I suspect a B4.2 is more likely, AE being a company that avoids change for change's sake.

[RDG 40]

Now more details are avalaible can the parts numbers be confirmed of what is need to convert a B4 not B4.1

Ive heard mentioned its the gearbox bearings??

I know the shocks are not v2 etc but jus want to know the exact parts that will be needed.

[stegger]

From what i've been told a B4.1 diff is needed due to the bearing size :confused: I maybe wrong.

[colmo]

Now more details are avalaible can the parts numbers be confirmed of what is need to convert a B4 not B4.1

Ive heard mentioned its the gearbox bearings??

I know the shocks are not v2 etc but jus want to know the exact parts that will be needed.

http://oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78030

[peetbee]

B4.1 outdrives and outer bearings, the rest of the diff is the same

[The Pookster]

I notice on the new c4.1 set-up sheet there is no space for rear toe block, only outside wheel toe. Is that because the toe adjustment is just done using the hub or will the rear toe block get mentioned somewhere else?

[KRob]

There is only one rear block so there won't be the option to change it.
Further down the line that could happen but all the team exclusively use the standard geometry inboard toe-in that will come with the conversion.

[Darren Boyle]

For those who have been chomping at the bit.... the very first few parts arrived here into stock with us today.

The first spare as such is the Carbon rear shock tower, theese are now here and in stock and also the eageraly awaited bodyshells. Supplied as body and wing for £19.99 for all those who want their colours pre-painted before the kits arrive......

www.dms-racing.com (http://www.dms-racing.com) just type "centro" in our search to see it all.....

[blue_pinky]

So the shell...is it the S2 shell the prototypes were using? Or is it a new design?

If it's the S2 one, has it now got cut lines for the spur cover that was being run?

Getting excited now :thumbsup:

[footey]

if it is the s2 shell i know atomic carbon have them in stock at a veryyyy good price

[Darren Boyle]

I have never had the priviledge of having an S2 in my hands and looking at the body that closely, but (unless there are a few small revisions/bumps/vents etc) that have changed it looks VERY similair to the bodies the team guys have been using to me (although we were told they would be different)

No markings that I can see for any gear cover etc......

Maybe someone from CML can clarify (Keith??).........

[blue_pinky]

Cheers Darren, probably is the S2 shell then...some extra cut lines would be handy if it does need the cutout, but either way...I love the S2 shell anyway, so would be chuffed if it was!!!

And if they do release a new one I only hope it retains some of the S2 look about it...one of the best RC shells ever I reckon...looks like it's going about 100mph even when it's sat on your bench!!! :thumbsup:

Might even make me look quick!! :woot:

[Richard Lowe]

As far as I know...

The first shells are the S2 shell we've been running, their arn't any cut lines for the gear cover so you have to do that bit... Also the lower cut line is a bit too high to go all the way down to the chassis, so when you cut the shell out initially leave plenty of extra down there and trim it to length once it's mounted.

[footey]

http://www.nortechracing.com/ac/store.html link to atomic s2 shells

[N7ELA]

http://www.nortechracing.com/ac/store.html link to atomic s2 shells


Postage seems quite steap mind..!

[Andyp]

Postage seems quite steap mind..!

Tight!!!

[N7ELA]

Tight!!!

You know me Andy....!

[stegger]

Postage seems quite steap mind..!

If you put "UKPOST" in the discount bar P&P comes down from £8 to £4 ;);)
If you know this, indeed you are a cheapskate :woot:

[N7ELA]

If you put "UKPOST" in the discount bar P&P comes down from £8 to £4 ;);)
If you know this, indeed you are a cheapskate :woot:

Yeh but if you order 2 shells plus some whities which I wanted to do it ends up at £9...?

Steap!

[Northy]

Yeh but if you order 2 shells plus some whities which I wanted to do it ends up at £9...?

Steap!

No it doesn't ;)
PM me if you want.

G

[Deano577]

I guess the C4.1 will fit this track (http://www.youtube.com/user/StarfootRC#p/u/0/cEFJ0eMbqok) very well;). Too bad the season is almost over, and no indoor tracks nearby.

Where the he'll is this track it looks the dogs b?

[westie]

Any news on a release date yet?

[oddski77]

Where the he'll is this track it looks the dogs b?

It´s in Norway, at Innherred raceway, Levanger. Very cool track, the "wall of death" is actually about 3-5m high, in the film it seems much smaller. Tracklength @ aprox. 250 meters:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[oddski77]

Do anyone know if the C4 is equipped with side-guards or not? The photos I have seen there are not any side-guard(or bath-tube chassis).

[gazhillAE]

Do anyone know if the C4 is equipped with side-guards or not? The photos I have seen there are not any side-guard(or bath-tube chassis).

Neither does a b44 or most other proper cars!!!! :blush:

[oddski77]

Neither does a b44 or most other proper cars!!!! :blush:

They do come with an under-tray... Just as a litte protection agains wet-spots and dust.

[Deano577]

Is there any update feels like it's taken ages.
Would like some photos or something

[RobW]

Is there any update feels like it's taken ages.
Would like some photos or something

CML website still says mid-Oct so maybe only another week??

[nicVEGAchildJR]

Neither does a b44 or most other proper cars!!!! :blush:

Yes it does

[westie]

CML website still says mid-Oct so maybe only another week??


I hope so!

[KRob]

This update is more of an unofficial version to give people an update

The chassis' are in production and the machine for the gearboxes is ready to go and got the go ahead today! Unfortunately I don't know at this stage what the time scale is for those.
Any remaining parts to fulfil the huge amount of back orders will be with us this week.
That just leaves the instructions and I've no idea about those :blush: they will probably be rather basic but it's not difficult - heck I made one with no instructions :o

[jampat2004]

ordered a c4.1 kit plus a new 4.1 kit,the question i would like to ask is will the conversion kit be much different from the prototypes that the team drivers have been using.thanks

[wezzer]

hi
only very very subtle changes such as rear wing mounts, an aerial mount hole in the chassis and one or two small changes :thumbsup:

[KRob]

A few changes basically down to refining the car for production.
The battery retainers will be alloy in the conversion where-as the prototypes were carbon (which are available as an option).
As mentioned the wing mounts have changed so a wider range of wings will fit easier.
The team has used a variety of different brass weights depending upon what they already had, nothing was made for the prototypes - that was make do with what's available where-as there will now be Centro brass options.
The gearbox might look slightly different but it's just cosmetic changes - nothing functional - same goes for the rear wishbone hangers and chassis.

That's about it really, although if Wezzer would pull his finger out we might get something sorted on the shell front...

[jampat2004]

A few changes basically down to refining the car for production.
The battery retainers will be alloy in the conversion where-as the prototypes were carbon (which are available as an option).
As mentioned the wing mounts have changed so a wider range of wings will fit easier.
The team has used a variety of different brass weights depending upon what they already had, nothing was made for the prototypes - that was make do with what's available where-as there will now be Centro brass options.
The gearbox might look slightly different but it's just cosmetic changes - nothing functional - same goes for the rear wishbone hangers and chassis.

That's about it really, although if Wezzer would pull his finger out we might get something sorted on the shell front...
whats this about the shell k rob? ive already recieved my shell from dms came in a fastrack packageing and was labelled up c4.1,this is i hope the correct shell ive been sent as i have sent the shel away to be painted,can u confirm this thanks.

[blue_pinky]

You'll have received the C4.1 shell that the team were using all season...which is essentially an S2 shell as I understand it!

They are using that one to begin with but sounds as though they have another in the pipeline too...

Don't worry...what you have will be fine! :)

[wezzer]

yup the one you have is correct , we are just working on an option shell :thumbsup:

[daz]

yup the one you have is correct , we are just working on an option shell :thumbsup:
As the S2 shell looks so damn sexy, I think the only change needed is to incorporate the gear cover in the shell. Please no cab forward designs tho.

[wezzer]

As the S2 shell looks so damn sexy, I think the only change needed is to incorporate the gear cover in the shell. Please no cab forward designs tho.

oh :cry: ! well , as the original shell is not even mid cab then we are going to offer something along the mid to forward cab ! so will be different to the original shell , no point doing a similar shell !
but you will have to wait and see :thumbsup:

[GRIFF55]

A beetle would be mid cab and bloody cool!

[Gaz_Stanton]

A beetle would be mid cab and bloody cool!
Nooo! There was an X-6 with one on plodding round at the Euros and it didn't! :thumbdown:
Prob still better than the original shell though...

[KRob]

Any other shell we offer is unlikely to have a built in gear cover. To make sure the gears stay sealed it's safer to use the gear cover - I saw some issues at a couple of tracks that have put me off a fully incorporated design.

As for how far forward the cab might be - it won't be in the Bulldog league, and as the rear gearbox is quite high it certainly won't be that low at the back. I'm as keen as other people to see what Wezzer can come up with!

[MK Racing]

Come on Wezzer, get it done :woot:

[blue_pinky]

Any other shell we offer is unlikely to have a built in gear cover. To make sure the gears stay sealed it's safer to use the gear cover - I saw some issues at a couple of tracks that have put me off a fully incorporated design.

Interesting Keith! The original S2 didn't use the gear cover and as far as I know it's no less protected than other mid motor cars/shells...is there much difference to the gearbox area from the S2 then?

Didn't look very different from the few pics we've seen of them...is the spur higher up in the Centro, or is it more due to the lack of the tub shape with the ali chassis?

All this talk is making me impatient, I know that, looking forward to getting mine!

[KRob]

Andy, you're right of course. From the pictures I've found the original S2 used the bodyshell as a gearcover.
No idea how the height of the Centro gearbox compares with the S2, but it is certainly wider due to the B4.1 rather than B4 internals. This I reckon would make the gearbox too wide to use just the shell to cover the gears.
But as I mentioned, having seen a few other brands of car suffer with spur gear damage on a particularly sandy track we will stick with the separate gear cover.

[blue_pinky]

Cheers Keith! Wider might do it...could get to the spur rubbing the shell if it's been moved out by the wider gearbox. Cover is def good belt and braces protection :thumbsup:

[OldTimer]

C4.1 gearbox is the same height as the S2 gearbox, but wider to allow for the wider B4.1 diff.

Re the shell on the S2 some people ran with no gear cover (me) but you can trim the shell and use the B4 kit gear cover and its a nice fit, and handy on sandy tracks ;)

[matdodd]

I was the opposite to JC and always ran the gear cover on the S2 outdoors after having a few problems at coventry with sand although most other tracks it had been fine with out.

[joker]

has anyone got an idea of how close we are to getting our hands on the kit?

[styleone]

has anyone got an idea of how close we are to getting our hands on the kit?

Nope....they say no news is good news though so fingers crossed for a sudden tidal wave of info :thumbsup: Just having access to the s2/c4.1 shell is keeping us all a bit more content at present :p...always loved that shell by the way

[arny]

Hello Krob
Now the end is near can you post the team setups?

cheers
arny

[gazhillAE]

Hello Krob
Now the end is near can you post the team setups?

cheers
arny

Ditto :0)

[Stuweatherman]

Spoke to Krob yesterday and the chassis's are at the anodisers, so just the gearbox casings to wait on so shouldn't be too much longer!!

All this suspense is really wetting my appetite for some electric offroad again!!

[westie]

Spoke to Krob yesterday and the chassis's are at the anodisers, so just the gearbox casings to wait on so shouldn't be too much longer!!

All this suspense is really wetting my appetite for some electric offroad again!!

At the anodisers ah? What colour? :)

[joker]

id like to see them in blue

[Richard Lowe]

At the anodisers ah? What colour? :)
I'm pretty sure it's black :)

[wezzer]

its black ! how about a gold special edition ? ;-):thumbsup:

[RobW]

its black ! how about a gold special edition ? ;-):thumbsup:

Same gold colour as original RC10 would be cool.:D

[westie]

Blacks cool and stelthy, gold would be more retro :)

[wezzer]

Blacks cool and stelthy, gold would be more retro :)
hence a limited editon :)

[westie]

C4.1 LE (gold chassis, Wezzer shell) ;)

[Stuweatherman]

C4.1 LE (gold chassis, Wezzer shell) ;)

Would it be worth as much as the original gold tubs boxed and unopened?? ha ha

[jampat2004]

come on come on come on i want my kit now:thumbsup:
gotta be end of week for the release surely
or everyone gonna be driving a 210:thumbdown:

[Dudders]

Doubt it...

[joker]

perfection takes time

[westie]

I hope its out before the Mk GP!

[chris68nufc]

Must admit....im getting impatient now!!!

[N7ELA]

Hope Santa doesn't forget mine...!

[styleone]

Hope Santa doesn't forget mine...!

I hope mine doesnt come with the Easter bunny :p

[KRob]

Okay Guys & Gals,
Gearboxes finishing manufacture and will be with us very soon :thumbsup:

[kayce]

Hope Santa doesn't forget mine...!

If you were a bad boy this year, again, you can count on it. :thumbsup:

[RobW]

Okay Guys & Gals,
Gearboxes finishing manufacture and will be with us very soon :thumbsup:


Oh it's so close I can almost smell it......so what would you like your C4.1 to smell like?

Rob

[Crash]

the suspense is killing me.......it's like being a little kid waiting for christmas!! :D

I'm just hoping that I'm high enough up the pre-order list to get one from the first batch :thumbsup:

[Gsxrturtle]

Just a quick question, maybe silly but i`ll ask anyway

Will the sc10 gear diff fit in the c4.1, i ask because the sc10 and b4.1 use the same outdrives and same bearing size?

Or will there be an option to run a gear diff as the dex210?

[blue_pinky]

Not sure if the SC10 gear diff will fit...but not sure that's a good idea anyway? The SC10 gear diff isn't oil filled!

[KRob]

Edit :
The geared diff won't fit in the Centro box
Everyone I know that has tried the gear diff changed back to the ball diff anyway

[Gsxrturtle]

thanks good to know,

[noreargrip]

Not sure if the SC10 gear diff will fit...but not sure that's a good idea anyway? The SC10 gear diff isn't oil filled!

I have a associated gear diff...mine is oil filled...I race on carpet during the winter and it's transformed my b4....turned great in hairpins and is a lot better on high speed sweepers...stops the tendency for grip rolling because the outside wheel still tries to turn as the inside wheel could be off the ground...I find it much smoother overall..I have to stress that our carpet is really really grippy...car feels like your using razor blades for tyres..

[colmo]

Edit :
The geared diff won't fit in the Centro box
Everyone I know that has tried the gear diff changed back to the ball diff anyway

Darnit, that scotches my plan - I had a gear diff all ready to go too.

What's the fitment issue? Outdrives shouldn't be the problem, so must be the extra bulk of the main diff body?

[styleone]

Darnit, that scotches my plan - I had a gear diff all ready to go too.

What's the fitment issue? Outdrives shouldn't be the problem, so must be the extra bulk of the main diff body?


Damn...thats me shafted as well, I have a brand new gear diff sat here waiting! The main gear diff must be wider than ball diff assembly? anybody dealt with both for some solid feedback please?

[joker]

cml have got some set up sheets up for the c4.1 now and it dose give a option for the gear diff? is the prototype gear box diffrent to the production. the AE ball diff is one of the best tho and should be beta on the track than the gear diff but would be good if you could fit one

[colmo]

cml have got some set up sheets up for the c4.1 now and it dose give a option for the gear diff? is the prototype gear box diffrent to the production. the AE ball diff is one of the best tho and should be beta on the track than the gear diff but would be good if you could fit one

Happy days :) - It's there.

http://www.cmldistribution.co.uk/news/2011-09-21/C4.1-blank-setup-sheet.pdf

I was looking at the gearbox photos on the last page, and could see no reason why the gear diff would not fit. AFAIK, there is only one gear diff for the B4.1/SC10.

[noreargrip]

One word....Dremel lol

[tony6187]

just looking at the setup sheets.it shows the standard rear hubs being run but then lists 0,.5 and 1 deg.i thought the standard ones where 0.5 deg,slightly confused:confused:

[KRob]

I have not seen the new gearbox casings but from one of the three people that have they tell me the body of the gear diff sticks outside the gear diff and fouls the case.

The set-up sheets will change where the weights are so will get the gear diff option removed as well. I have a feeling it was added as it is on the B4.1 sheet - but I can tell you that none of the team drivers use teh gear diff.
Not having ever seen a geared diff myself I am going on the information given to me, but you can trust the source who told me!

[styleone]

If you have pre-ordered from MK then you already have an update email in your email inbox :D the word is hopefully 31st and kits will be ready to ship out to us all.....aaaaviiiiit! The wait is almost over :) good news from Marc

[westie]

Just Paid up for mine with MK 11 left now ;)

[gazhillAE]

its black ! how about a gold special edition ? ;-):thumbsup:

Gold plated one for me wez :p
Stick with black! Blues past it for chassises!

[gazhillAE]

yup the one you have is correct , we are just working on an option shell :thumbsup:

Can this one have cut out lines :)

[gazhillAE]

http://www.petitrc.com/setup/associated/SetupSheetsAssociatedRC10C4.1.html

[colmo]

http://www.petitrc.com/setup/associated/SetupSheetsAssociatedRC10C4.1.html

Cool. How did Bradders, Cragg and Yardy get cut staggers on the rear wheels? :eh?:


:D

[Arn0]

Cool. How did Bradders, Cragg and Yardy get cut staggers on the rear wheels? :eh?:


:D
Best to say someone get confuse or distracted.
I might be able to sort that.

[Rob_B]

http://www.cmldistribution.co.uk/news.php?view=0000001832

:(

[westie]

Gay :thumbdown::cry:

[passy]

Don't tell me. Pre-production chassis were fine, however the production chassis wasn't? I've learnt that on jobs with tight time restrictions it always pays to have a client representative at the factory when the first production units are ready.

I would be interested to hear if this was not the case?

[kimipt]

Don't tell me. Pre-production chassis were fine, however the production chassis wasn't? I've learnt that on jobs with tight time restrictions it always pays to have a client representative at the factory when the first production units are ready.

I would be interested to hear if this was not the case?

The exact same question crossed my mind when I heard the news. How is it possible no one checked the parts as they start production?

[Crash]

gutted :thumbdown:

although another couple of weeks wont hurt, i'd personally have everything correct. I'm sure it will be worth it.

Keep up the good work CML.

[neiloliver]

The most important thing is that the kit is right. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks. If it was April and the season was about to start it would be a different matter.

N

[KRob]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/CML-Distribution/340325953318

Some pictures of the bits we do have.

[colmo]

Just to carry on from the previous discussions about the gear diff fitting, I was looking at the gearbox case:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/302147_10150448222678319_340325953318_10379893_109 4148030_n.jpg

I take it the gubbins around the outdrive outlets are the problem? If the gear diff does indeed not fit, just how far off is it from fitting? Would noreargrip's Dremel suggestion be ill-advised?

[Dudders]

So maybe the www.mkgp.co.uk (http://www.mkgp.co.uk) will be the first major showing for the Centro???

[Darren Boyle]

Neil, I think the "UK nationals" this year were already the first MAJOR showing for the Centro (at least in the teams hands)

[Dudders]

Indeedy but I was refering to RC mere mortals rather than RC gods :woot:

[arny]

Almost

[westie]

I see MK have put a revised expected date of 7/11/11 so we may have them next tuesday oooo just in time for my paternity leave :thumbsup:

[styleone]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/CML-Distribution/340325953318

Some pictures of the bits we do have.

Black chassis?? :confused: what happend to the shiny ali proto style guys?

[gazhillAE]

Black chassis?? :confused: what happend to the shiny ali proto style guys?

They got some taste :thumbsup:

[tony12795]

Del....