2009 off road Worlds

[jimmy]

Long way off, but did someone already mention this? apparently the next 10th off road Worlds is back in South Africa. Is this the same venue as 2001/2?



IFMAR World Championships El Off Road 2 & 4 WD
FAMAR Bloc - Location: Pretoria, South Africa

[Lee Martin]

o dear.......

[super__dan]

Does anyone actually race in SA? I mean you get people on the forums from Australia etc but not once have I seen anyone from SA.

[RogerM]

I see quite a South African's on the forums ..... however few of them actually still live there.

Might be an interesting one for me though as I could combine it with a trip to see my girlfriends family (on paper ..... actually spend the whole time watching RC..)

[jimmy]

There was one dedicated racer from SA in Japan, and there are at least a couple on this forum. The chap from SA in Japan said that there is racing over there - but i guess it's quite insular since you never really hear much about it???

I have heard a lot of stories about the 2001/2 Worlds down there which didn't sound particularly good - nothing to do with the track or racing of course.

[Chris Doughty]

I think RC racing at world champs level is getting to be a battle of survival or welth depending on where you go. :rolleyes:

[David Church]

Where did you hear this Jimmy???
I heard they were in Texas?????:confused:
It was Jaco in Japan, very cool dude, he did say he reads this forum, as do alot of other guys from there!!!!
On a positive note, I may get to go again if there is not a full UK team, but I do have a plan to gain entry if the Uk team is full....
Mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:D
Top secret though lol.

[David Church]

Doh, just saw the banner at the bottom of your post!!!!! hahahahhahaha

[telboy]

You don't sound too pleased pidge.

[25pie]

how do you get into the UK team, ie how many national titles or whatever do you need?

[werner1619]

I am from SA and have also heard 2009 will be here.
Will be building a New track for the event.

Rc racing in SA is not to big deal, more people in onroad than off road. You won't hear allot about SA racing as there is no Manufacturer in SA. The Manufacturers fuel the hobby, as I am sure all of you know....

The largest Distributer in SA passed me the info that 2009 Champs will be in SA. will keep you posted, maybe even post some new track pictures.... or is that unfair...?

[jimmy]

It's only unfair if you DON'T get the photos for us! :p

[Lee]

I heard that approximatley the top 30 people from the nationals get an invite?

Im not sure if this is 100% correct, but i imagine there will be spaces for SA.

Sounds like a good trip, the women are hot there as well pidge;):cool:

[barnyard]

the allocation is first divided into the main blocks - roar(americas), efra (europe), far east inc oz (cant remember name) & think there's a rest of world.

based on each block geting 50 ish drivers allowed these are then divided amongst the member countries.

i believe for the 1/8th worlds in the usa only the top 3 from each efra country were guaranteed a place any places not taken up by member countries are then shared around the block untill all places are taken.

if a block doesn't use its quota these places are then offered to other blocks

[werner1619]

will post some info as soon as I have any....

[Jimbo]

Hi Werner1619,
Please be sure to let us know as soon as you know which city in SA it is going to be in! Fingers crossed it's near Durban.

Thanks!

[jimmy]

Come on then guys - who's going to this one? I've yet to speak to anyone who knows for sure they'll be attending. :o

[James]

I told PW that i was interested in going, i've been before, a friend of mine sold up his farm in the UK and bought a mammoth place out there, his neighbours are Zulus! lands dirt cheap..
The areas you arrive in, travel though and to for the track are dodgy though and i think its a malaria area too..
But apart form that im sure its ACE :bored:

[millzy]

so no taking the family then

[Lee]

I could be tempted, not heard anything about it though apart from on this thread.

[James]

Google Earth:

Coordinates

25'42'52'32 S

28'16'05'03 E

Called 'Trap' Raceway

[jimmy]

There's a south african girl at work, was gonna ask her if she thought it was a good idea to go but she's off sick at the mo'. hmmmm. I fancy going to the Worlds again but the good thing about Japan was how safe it was and how you could go out and have fun at night - SA doesn't look like it's quite the same. :cry:

[jimmy]

There's a maccies not too far away (to the left, lol)
Yeah there's been sod all information around - looking on the official SA racing site they talk about meeting up in Nuremberg with IFMAR reps, which happens to be on at the moment I think??
Sadly you aren't allowed to join their forum unless you are south african - how mean.

[millzy]

i wouldnt mind going

[jimmy]

Large meals at Maccies are ~£2.40 - bargain, that's almost sold it to me right there. If I could get enough sponsorship to go, I'd be up for it maybe.

[David Church]

I was thinking about going as well, but if there are low numbers, of top drivers, I don't think it will be worth it.
The warm up race is not too far off so it wil be interesting to see how many people go to that.

[jimmy]

Billy Easton was about the only non-Japanese driver at the last Worlds Warmup so I'd not expect that many.
Yeah I'm with you there Dave - even if it's the worlds, if there's not actually that many great drivers there then it might not be worth while. Worth keeping an eye on - if we go then I'd want to travel with a couple more people just to be on the safe side (preferably Wraggy!)

[Mrs oOple]

I was thinking about going as well, but if there are low numbers, of top drivers, I don't think it will be worth it.
The warm up race is not too far off so it wil be interesting to see how many people go to that.

If there are low numbers of top drivers though.. MCDC could be the next WC!

[jimmy]

I might have something to say about that - I'm an F2 you know now Vicky. That's like one step down from being National Champion.

[David Church]

There's one way to sort this out!!!!!!!!!!!!

FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Just kidding:p:D

[jimmy]

I just asked the girl at work who's from SA and apparently she's from Pretoria. She said her mum and her dad have both been car jacked seperately before and I think her brother or someone also. She said as long as you don't go out at night and keep your eyes open you'll be OK. :bored:

I really want to go but it doesn't sound like the safest place around it has to be said.

[David Church]

Don't go out at night!!!! AARRGGHHHHHHH:cry:
Couldn't imagine Japan without the nightlife!!!! LOL

[jimmy]

haha, exactly. The social side of it is half (or more) of the fun.
As well as getting some funding together - I think I'd need to know I'd be in a safe hotel in a safe area.

[Kopite]

i used to live in Pretoria, and my auntie & uncle live in Joburg

it's not the safest place in the world, i'll say that much :wtf:

[jimmy]

There's now a website for the worlds setup - but it has absolutely no information what so ever.... :thumbsup:

http://www.trap.co.za/index.php


Please forward all sponsorship offers to me - so we can do a nice report on this race :rolleyes:

[mole2k]

I'll post you over a rich tea biscuit if it'll help Jimmy.

[jimmy]

YUM! - can you send one for my kidnappers also? :cry::lol:;)

[burgie]

Please forward all sponsorship offers to me - so we can do a nice report on this race :rolleyes:


yeah, OK....I'll sponsor you 1p a lap of the worlds track! :thumbsup:

[Alfonzo]

As a Brit who has a lot of SA family and have spent a lot of time out there I can tell you it's a fantastic country. Yes, you do need to be aware of crime in certain areas, but it's not a friggin war zone! It's beautiful and the people are great, the food is great, the beer is great. I'm sure the locals would look after you all, they're good like that. Footie World Cup out there next year too.

Although you wouldn't wisely wonder down town in the big cities late at night after a skinfull, TBH there are certain areas in this country which are pretty dodgy too nowadays.

Those that go will love it.

[David Church]

I want to go but don't know if I will.....But if Jimmy does a Worlds report before the 2008 EPR National there will be trouble!!!!;):lol::p:thumbsup::thumbdown::p

Eh J man??????????????????? Hahahahahahahahah

Aw come on man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give us our report please:eh?:

[Nolan BJ4WE]

As a Brit who has a lot of SA family and have spent a lot of time out there I can tell you it's a fantastic country. Yes, you do need to be aware of crime in certain areas, but it's not a friggin war zone! It's beautiful and the people are great, the food is great, the beer is great. I'm sure the locals would look after you all, they're good like that. Footie World Cup out there next year too.

Although you wouldn't wisely wonder down town in the big cities late at night after a skinfull, TBH there are certain areas in this country which are pretty dodgy too nowadays.

Those that go will love it.

As a ex South African I can fully agree with Alfonzo. My family still live out there, and to be honest....the media makes it out to be a much worse place than it actually is. Any where you go in the world, there are places to avoid, even in the UK - so therefore....don't knock it until you have been and experienced the place for yourselves:thumbsup:!!

[werner1619]

No please don't attend the event, will increase my chances of being WC. :)

The media does slam SA hard, in 30 years notin bad has ever happened to me or my family. But if you go looking for it, you will find more than you could handle. hehehe

will upload pic of track shortly.... :p

[jimmy]

So, hands up if you're going?

I've talked to a few good drivers and can't say I know anyone who will attend. I think it's a real shame but I wonder how much is safety and how much is a money saving thing though.

Maybe I'm alone in thinking this - but I think part of the problem is companies who don't really want to go are happy to declare it a non-event in their opinion. Maybe money is tight this year?

I'm sure some people don't want to attend because of what they've heard - but the reason I don't think we'll go is nothing to do with security. We're in the camp of people who won't go because of the top drivers not attending - and I wonder how many of those drivers won't attend because of similar feelings/pressures from their team not to go.

With the Worlds going ahead for definite then companies can either attend and do battle for the titles - or slam the event as being a non-event and thus devalue the win, pretend it never happend if you will.
If brand 'X' attend and win both classes then they didn't REALLY win the Worlds did they - because Brands 'a' 'b' 'c'.. .Etc didn't send their best drivers.

If you ask me, a Worlds is a Worlds - no matter the reason you don't attend the winner is the winner. It's a shame we'll not attend but it's nothing to do with the track or venue - it's the lack of interest from companies that has put us off.:cry:

[Mrs oOple]

I think the computer says nooooo Jimmy. I'd quite like to be a worlds A finalist though, competition or not that would still be an achievement for me :D

[nobby]

i remember the onroad worlds in sa 2004 i think.
only 2 people went from the uk dave spash and his pit bitch darren simpson.
dave was racing for trinity at the time and ernie phoned him with his travel info.
when dave asked when ernie would get there he said are you mad i'm not going:woot:

as for staying in a nice hotel and not going out.
masami and his dad masaaki were leaving the hotel one morning to go to the track, there car was right outside the hotel door when someone robbed them of most of there car stuff and stuck a knife in masaaki's leg:cry:

so who ever goes have a nice time and in the words of hill street blues hay you be careful out there:thumbsup:

[jimmy]

I really don't like the idea that people might not consider this a true Worlds - or worse yet, that companies might well put that thought forward. What if a driver from 'XYZ Team' wanted to go to SA anyway off their own back - and YXZ say to him he can't go because it will lend credit to the race and make them look worse if he doesn't win than they would if they could say it's not a real Worlds.
Despite the poor reputation of SA that gets put about a lot - I know of drivers who've either said they are going (and now aren't) or said they wanted to but weren't etc. I've heard it rumoured that some teams have laid down the law and want unity throught their ranks - we don't go, we ALL don't go. Type of thing.

Perhaps it's a big chess game and one or two of these guys who've said all along how dangerous it is over there will suddenly turn up and win. :o
Oh well.

[Northy]

Are we going boss? :eh?:

G

[jimmy]

No Boss - I'm hoping to maybe go to the Yatabe international race next year instead boss.

[stegger]

When would the UK be able to get the world championships ? Been so long since we have had them.

[spenner]

When would the UK be able to get the world championships ? Been so long since we have had them.


Never!!!!!

For the reasons - This country does not support Motor Racing (Silverstone, Donnington)
The Weather!!!

But mainly cost...

[caneye]

funny ... all these talk sounds like a repeat of 2006 - when the yanks had reservations (fear???) about the 2006 Ifmar 1/8 offroad worlds being held in the country with the biggest population of moslems in the world, indonesia.

those who went had a ball.
and a yank won the worlds too ... .

[ben]

Hmm been thinking about this for a little while. Would i need injections to go? :cry:

[Southwell]

Hmm been thinking about this for a little while. Would i need injections to go? :cry:

Yeah

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/travel/africa/south_africa.shtml

[ben]

In that case, no then! I HATE them :mad:

[Southwell]

In that case, no then! I HATE them :mad:

Chicken. I had 4 when i went to tunisia. :p
£70 on private, not worth it when i got a chest infection the week i went lol.

[James]

This is actually a serious question, a lot of private households in S.A. use private security firms to protect their property, does anyone know costs/practicalities/effectiveness of hiring private security for personal protection and transport over there?

[Teddy truman]

the UK could host a worlds if they sorted a track... it has rainned at alot of the last worlds... japan.. last years 8th worlds in th US... as for the cost... The B.R.C.A can afford it!!

[Lindsay]

the UK could host a worlds if they sorted a track... it has rainned at alot of the last worlds... japan.. last years 8th worlds in th US... as for the cost... The B.R.C.A can afford it!!

It also rained at the 2003 in Minnreg America.

Lets go for indoor @ the NEC in Birmingham.

[GRIFF55]

Now that sounds bloody awesome!!! Hotels close and easy access from airports too:thumbsup:

[James]

Yeh, i did a reedy race there in 199?, pretty neat

[Si Coe]

Actually the biggest problem for the Off Road champs in the UK is the lack of a suitable track - specifically the requirement for it to be on dirt.

I remember the TEMAC track from the '93 worlds. In reality the host club was Southend, but their mixed surface track wasn't allowed so a new purpose built one was made.

Mind you, that event didn't really help. The track was fine, but I'm not sure that the back of a Ford tractor plant in Essex girl central was a very glamorous location and didn't really show off Britain in its best light.

[Lindsay]

Yeh, i did a reedy race there in 199?, pretty neat

Your Memory gone James, We were there also.
Awesome event although the beat tyres were banded when we had them sorted.:thumbdown:

[Chris Doughty]

Your Memory gone James, We were there also.
Awesome event although the beat tyres were banded when we had them sorted.:thumbdown:

me too, British GP at the NEC running on FOAMZ :woot: