Anyone know much about the history of this?

[Colinevan]

I'v come into posession of a few vintage cars and wonder about the history of this Manta ray...

As far as im aware its basic manta ray running gear with a grp chassis and top deck, coupled with a carbon drive shaft, uprated metal tamiya shocks and fully ballraced. Have a look at the pics and if anyone knows anything more about this conversion or indeed any info on this setup , id be very interested.

My memory is very vague but i seem to remember the likes of Jamie Booth running similar manta rays hopped up and they did quite well at national level etc.

Lastly the owner wants to sell, and i will prob be selling on ebay etc on there behalf, it comes with spares ( lots ) but how much is a car like this worth.

Some pics.....

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Col.

[ben]

ignore my post

[bondy]

I dont know much about vintage cars but my guess is a kyosho of some sort?


Youngsters !! Tut :yawn: Its a tamiya and I think you are nearly right with the manta ray thing

[DCM]

it is a manta ray, it has an RW Racing chassis conversion, I think it was RW, plus the carbon prop shaft, it may have a centre one-way on the propshaft input/output too.

I used to have one of them.

[DCM]

Youngsters !! Tut :yawn: Its a tamiya and I think you are nearly right with the manta ray

it is the mant ray not the topforce, that had a slimmer topdeck if I remember

[jim76]

no Ben, it's definitely Tamiya.
Manta Ray running gear and Tamiya hi-cap shocks from an Egress or similar.
Jamie Booth won the national championship with a modified mantaray.

Not sure on the chassis, maybe fibrelite, but there were so many companies around back then that did similar.
Looks like it was used for on road judging by the wheels?

edit: typed at same time as DCM! overlap!

[Chris Green]

Looks like it was used for on road judging by the wheels?


Plus, it looks like it has ran a touring car / rallycross shell, judging by the body posts on the front shock tower?

[Colinevan]

Plus, it looks like it has ran a touring car / rallycross shell, judging by the body posts on the front shock tower?

Spot on Chris.....

It did, it comes with 3 rather huge rally x shells, it also came with what i think is an old racecraft copy style off road shell... rather nasty in my opinion but from memory they were were like £4.99 a shell lol.

I need to do some work to it before i sell her and will prob remove all the body extensions and as such convert back to full off road buggy as it has tons of spares and wheels etc.

Col.

[terry.sc]

Tamiya Manta Ray with RW Racing chassis kit, propshaft and steering arms. Tamiya Top Force Evolution shocks.
Schumacher RT2 tyres.
Can't tell what the wheels are.

Change of body is due to the Manta Ray body not having an undertray, the shape of the undertray suggests a Yokomo body.

What rallycross shells have you got with it and do they need a home?:D



BTW a review of Jamie Booths original version (with Madcap body!) is here. (http://www.tamiyaclub.com/article.asp?id=64)

[DCM]

Terry, Kamte will borrow them and make molds for us ALL to enjoy.... again, I used to love winter, running rally-x on a carpark with the club in the snow. Back then I never had the cells to compete but now.... woooohoooo

[jim76]

yeah rally cross was good fun. still have a BMW M3 shell lying around somewhere though that was more an on road shell

[peetbee]

I used to run one identical to that bar the rally cross bodyshell mounts. It went well too. I thought that the bodyshells and undertray were part of the conversion though, not yokomo.

Back in the olden days touring cars were just this, I nearly bought the Metro 6R4 shell for one of my cars. Oh happy days!

I must resist the temptation to bid once that comes on ebay!

[DCM]

the shell and undertray were from racecraft, I remember I bought the whole conversion and shell at the Sandown model exhibition

[sosidge]

I used to have the real deal - the Top Force Evo - and that issue with Jamie Booth's car was well thumbed by myself!

I actually really liked the TF Evo. It would be interesting to see how it runs side by side with my Durga now...

[telboy]

Wow, Terry, that really brings back some memories. I bought my first rc car (Obviously a manta ray) on the basis of that review....and then ended up with an exact replica of that car (thanks to Jamie getting some 'wink,wink' parts for me lol).

God I wish I had never sold it.:(

[terry.sc]

Terry, Kamte will borrow them and make molds for us ALL to enjoy....If you ever get them back from him let me know - I prefer the originals. I collect any of the old wide tourers as well.
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/tc_userimages/297/img297_04032006135658_1.jpg

BTW last year we got Frewer to make a batch of Metro 6R4 shells.
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/tc_userimages/154/generated/img154_30032007005141_1_350.jpg
Kevin Frewer still has all his old patterns and will pull a batch of them if you order enough, they seem to be a better quality material as well. They cost almost as much in postage to get them here than the cost of the bodies.



God I wish I had never sold it.:(
That's how I got most of my collection, when I upgraded my cars I hung on to the old ones when I saw how little the old cars were worth at the time. I still miss the two I sold on, especially as I know I'd never be able to replicate them with all the hop ups:( How much would a JB replica be worth today?:(

[Hog]

Get the shells to Kamtec and ask Keith nicely if he'll make some!

[telboy]

How much would a JB replica be worth today?:(

...I dread to think!

I swapped mine for an 'on form' schumacher cat....unfortunately it wasn't as 'on form' in my hands.:D

I used to have a gorgeous Escort Cosworth wide bodied rally car. looked ace.:) all painted up in the Pilot rally colours.

[DCM]

I would so buy a rallyX shell now, imagine brushless and lipo in a 4wd buggy razing round....

OK, Terry, you parting compant with any of those 6R4 shells?

[sparrow.2]

Wide touring cars rocked! I had a converted Procat with a BMW shell and when things got serious I had a Predator with a Peugoet 405 shell on it. It looked like a brick but boy did it fly!
Schumacher RT1 and RT2 (I think) were the tires to run in green compound and if things got wet there were the crazy cap tires which you kept in a wet plastic bag to keep them from going off.

Does anyone remember the driver who won pretty much everything back then and had his car painted white, red and blue starting from the front? In pictures he was never far away from a can of Stones Bitter... Can't remember his name for the life of me...

Manta Rays were cool back then :)

[reelman_fishing]

So after this trip down memory lane, what is this manta ray worth with the double deck chassis and all the hop up's and spares?:confused:

could be interested in it

[Colinevan]

TBH im unsure and would need to ask the owner what he would take for it.

Out of curiosity, to anyone that knows of these cars, what would you value it at.

Unfortunstely i am apprehensive abouts selling on the bay just in case it doesnt sell for very much and have to tell the owner that it went for peanuts etc.

anyone have any rough values??

Col.

[Mutant]

Personally i think ebay is a pretty good place to look for prices of that sort of stuff. You could invite offers on this site or maybe the tamiya club website.

If you get no takers, ask the owner what he would part for it for, set that as your reserve and pop it on ebay.

[terry.sc]

Get the shells to Kamtec and ask Keith nicely if he'll make some!
I'm happier doing it myself. I'd restyle them so they actually fit on modern buggy chassis. Remember these old shells were originally designed for 250mm wheelbase cars with 2" diameter wheels.

OK, Terry, you parting company with any of those 6R4 shells?I already have through Tamiyaclub members. Still got a couple left, one for my own use and one as a base for an updated longer version for modern buggies if there's the interest, the only modern 4wd it fits is a Hotshot.

BTW the Parma Escort Cosworth should still be available http://www.horizonhobby.co.uk/autoonline/j7parma/j7body/j7bodypages/j7body10377.html



Can't help on the value of the Manta Ray, I tend to just buy old cars and usually what I can afford might not be what it's worth:D Tamiyaclub used to be great for valuing cars, but the older members who tracked ebay prices in a spreadsheet (I kid you not) are no longer there so hard to get a precise value. The problem of valuing something like this is all the mods. As an old racer this car is of more interest to me than a Top Force, but a lot of collectors wouldn't be interested because it isn't a Top Force, even though it has much rarer parts. Of course if two collectors are really interested in something as rare as this the price can go high.

[Colinevan]

Thanks for the replies guys...

I think i'll stick it on the bay and see how it goes.

Thanks again.

Col.

[Colinevan]

Now up on ebay guys if anyones interested.

I have also now acquired 4 rally x shells which are also on the bay.

Would it be great to see a comeback to rally x on our off road tracks.

[Colinevan]

Links

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tamiya-vintage-Manta-Ray-GRP-twin-deck-Topforce-evo_W0QQitemZ300196494333QQihZ020QQcategoryZ2565QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-1-10th-Rally-x-Bodyshells-tyresTamiya-Rare_W0QQitemZ300196500559QQihZ020QQcategoryZ2565Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Welshy40]

no Ben, it's definitely Tamiya.
Manta Ray running gear and Tamiya hi-cap shocks from an Egress or similar.
Jamie Booth won the national championship with a modified mantaray.

Not sure on the chassis, maybe fibrelite, but there were so many companies around back then that did similar.
Looks like it was used for on road judging by the wheels?

edit: typed at same time as DCM! overlap!

What did he win the euros with then, I thought it was the same car as what he used at the nats?

[pUs]

What did he win the euros with then, I thought it was the same car as what he used at the nats?

He never won the euros for Tamiya, Craig Drescher won it in 1991. I think Jamie was 4th or something with the Manta Ray.