Hope my fellow londoners are ok?

[pro4nut]

Forgive me being London centric but i hope those on here that live in London are ok.

So far only my local Tesco has been looted but its getting grimmer by the minute.

[Skye]

Its a disgrace. The mother ******* want shooting! I wouldn't mind so much if they were burning down police stations, but they are ruining good people's lives and burning down their homes. There is no justification for that. Innocent people will die if it doesn't stop soon.

[pro4nut]

OK so the list so far,

Ealing
Walthamstow
Hackney
Bethnal Green
Clapham
Elephant and castle
Croydon
Totenham
Woodgreen
Woolwich

Just heard that Edgware is on the verge of disaster as well

[pro4nut]

Its a disgrace. The mother ******* want shooting! I wouldn't mind so much if they were burning down police stations, but they are ruining good people's lives and burning down their homes. There is no justification for that. Innocent people will die if it doesn't stop soon.

Its nothing to do with a protest theres not enough Police to contain them and they know it. They can do what they want where they want.

[Oxygen]

seems to be kicking off in Camden too at the mo, Looters reported to be heading toward tottenham Ct road too!:thumbdown:

[Skye]

I get that, and whilst I don't agree with it I can understand why some might choose to do it. But when innocent people are having their homes burnt to the ground then it's over stepping the mark in a big way!

[pro4nut]

seems to be kicking off in Camden too at the mo, Looters reported to be heading toward tottenham Ct road too!:thumbdown:

Although they are also heading up towards Hampstead, can't see them looting designer furnitureshops and kitchen showrooms though..

Just hoping they keep moving away from my area, came home to see the Hackney ladbrokes getting broken into this evening where 2 of my friends were working. I only signed off the refit on that shop 6 months ago. Thank god i changed jobs

[Ross]

Its a disgrace. The mother ******* want shooting! I wouldn't mind so much if they were burning down police stations, but they are ruining good people's lives and burning down their homes. There is no justification for that. Innocent people will die if it doesn't stop soon.


Really, burning down Police stations is OK.......:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[jpmatrix]

Really, burning down Police stations is OK.......:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

+1

I just dont understand how they go out on a second night of looting and it seemed nothing was done to stop it. Yesterday I saw on telly 2 guys carrying a 50" flat screen telly down the street. Absolutely ridiculious.

The violence was on a level you see only in N Ireland and when that happens the police get out the water cannons.

Thats what they should of done here ; at least it would wash most of the shit down the drains. Of course we couldnt do that now as we are a nambi pambi nation and it would be deemed 'heavy handed action' by the authorities.

No doubt these people who got arrested will just have there hands slapped, get away with a fine and let loose to loot, pilege and deal in drugs or whatever they do.

[pro4nut]

It was the 3rd night, started Saturday.

Water cannons can't be used as NO police force on the mainland have them, they are only deployed and on hand in Northern Ireland.

Finally early this morning they started using the armed response armoured trucks to charge them the down, sadly not many of them available.

The police force in London is tiny in comparison to the amount of people rioting there just arent enough of them.

What needed to be done was to shut down the underground and bus networks. I agree that the Police needed to use more force but if they do things will escalate these kids are not using guns yet, but they have them and if that happens we are in a world of pain.

[bodgit]

Slate me if you want. this is not racist but I think the army should be brought in and let loose with the scum for target practice. If they cannot act like human beings in our society then they dont desrerve to live in our society. Round them up and send them home.
Also where are the police dogs. I remember at a mid seventies everton-Utd match about 400 fans fighting by the tunnel. A single landrover pulled up out jumped four dogs and the fans ran like hell some even down the tunnel. Peace restored in minutes.

[JohnM]

I think it's time for National Service to return, send the little toe-rags out to throw stuff at the Taliban.

Or use them for sweeping mine fields.

[jpmatrix]

It was the 3rd night, started Saturday.

Water cannons can't be used as NO police force on the mainland have them, they are only deployed and on hand in Northern Ireland.

Finally early this morning they started using the armed response armoured trucks to charge them the down, sadly not many of them available.

The police force in London is tiny in comparison to the amount of people rioting there just arent enough of them.

What needed to be done was to shut down the underground and bus networks. I agree that the Police needed to use more force but if they do things will escalate these kids are not using guns yet, but they have them and if that happens we are in a world of pain.

I didnt realise that UK police dont have water cannons. Perhaps they should of issued them with bananas( monty python) instead.

I know it exploded into mass rioting but I think the police should of reascted quicker but as you mentioned there resources were limited. And for that reason the police didnt have the manpower to protect the fire engine crews from going in and controling the fires.

Couldnt they have brought in the army, was that an option?

[andy reeves]

I think it's time for National Service to return, send the little toe-rags out to throw stuff at the Taliban.

Or use them for sweeping mine fields.

:thumbsup::thumbsup: I don't think they would be so brave if they were out on the front line about to get shot at. :lol:

One of the problems is the youth of today (generally as I know this will not apply to all of them) have no respect for authority. The UK has gone soft and now we are seeing the results of this :mad:

[jonmiller]

Its a disgrace. The mother ******* want shooting! I wouldn't mind so much if they were burning down police stations, but they are ruining good people's lives and burning down their homes. There is no justification for that. Innocent people will die if it doesn't stop soon.

:thumbdown::thumbdown:

Can't say I love police but imagine what the situation would be like if there weren't any at all.


extreme behaviour calls for extreme action, this country and it's soft arm of the law make me sick....

just watching the news and it is going on in the center of birmingham now too...

[Skye]

Really, burning down Police stations is OK.......:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

No of course it is not ok, thats not how it was meant to sound. I should have worded it better. The point that I was trying to make was that this all started due to being loosely connected to the killing last week as it appears that it may have been an officer with a twitchy finger.

That being the case, if they were truly upset about the shooting then their anger, frustration, hurt, whatever it may be should be directed at those responsible and not burning down innocent peoples homes and ruining good peoples lives and / or livelihoods.

The problem is, this is now nothing to do with last weeks shooting. This is just scum showing their true colours.

And if it was a choice between burning down a police station, or burning down an innocent persons shop / home / flat and taking away their ability to earn a living or home to live in, then yes I would rather it was the police station.

Of course, I do not condone this at all and would much rather nothing was being burnt down. That goes without saying.

[DCM]

I remember watching the Poll Tax riots back in the 80's, at least they had something to riot about, now this is just opportune mob mentality, there was even opposing gangs fighting in an A&E department.

Me, personally, they do have water cannons in mothballs, army stock etc, bring them out, tear gas cannons, rubber bullets and if they don't work, shoot the looters. But I guarantee, no matter what the Police do, they will be criticised for either being to 'soft' or over reacting.....

[bodgit]

Former England cricket captain Michael Vaughan tweets: @VaughanCricket: (http://twitter.com/#!/VaughanCricket) "Talk of a curfew.. Won't work.. These idiots think they are above the law.. Just send the troops in.. #londonriots"
Tanks and snipers please

[jpmatrix]

Theresa may stated that she wont use the army and the use of watwercannons are ruled out:mad:

This country is going down the shitter.

How are we going to deal with these people. Im sick of this government.

[kaszal]

It must have been absolutely terrifying for people caught up in the riots.

What do they call it when they target the ring leaders and bundle them off in vans... snatch teams?

[Rebelrc]

Clarkson for primeminister ! He won't take this tomfoolery !
This government is crap... How do you like your cut backs now! Pathetic :mad:

[longy8ight]

these idiots doing this all over the country are mindless t@!ts with shit for brains,is sadening to see this shit going on on the telly,get the army in and shoot the fucking lot of em thats what i say.

[Ant]

There are a lot of one-man-bands whose businesses have been destroyed and people left homeless.
I'm sure that they are going to feel a lot better when they realise that the money they have paid in tax is going to pay for the solicitors who will argue for the release of those arrested.
If solicitors had any morals (?) they should all turndown representing these cases

[MALLET]

So where are the police with the 12 gauge bean bag shot. That will sort them out and yes where are all the police dogs......:thumbdown::thumbdown:

[colmo]

FYI, the only water cannon in the UK belong to the PSNI (N. Ireland), and they haven't been asked to loan them out...yet.

If the police can't contain the situation, the army will be the last resort. That worked out really well in N.Ireland 40 years ago...not :(

Still, there has to be tough, pro-active measures to prevent them congregating. There are no happy solutions to this.

[bodgit]

They wont be able to catch all of them, but I saw on the news one of them smashing a microwave he had looted from a shop . His prints are all over that and things like this should be used to round up all the thieving scum. Alot of evidence is lying there waiting to be collected.

[wezzer]

i am ok on call of duty :-) give me a 50 cal and a few days ! rekon i could thin them out a little :-)

[JohnM]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: I don't think they would be so brave if they were out on the front line about to get shot at. :lol:

One of the problems is the youth of today (generally as I know this will not apply to all of them) have no respect for authority. The UK has gone soft and now we are seeing the results of this :mad:

The lack of respect started when they stopped you from slapping your own kids, or teachers from throwing the black board rubber at you if you were titting about.

Time was, if you came home crying, mum or dad would ask why, you'd say Mr Smith slapped me, why they'd ask, oh I kicked his bins over, then you got another slap, now, Mr Smith gets stabbed:bored:

Send 'em to Afganistan, see how they like it then.

[GRIFF55]

Shoot 'em. Job done.:thumbsup: Would you go looting/rioting if there was a possibility that you could be killed? i think not.

[JohnM]

Shoot 'em. Job done.:thumbsup: Would you go looting/rioting if there was a possibility that you could be killed? i think not.

Use the Apache gun ships, if you can be filmed from the air.............;)

Plus it would give Prince Harry something to do:lol:

[SlowOne]

Oh dear, nothing like a little lawlessness to bring out the right wingers with all the answers! It's fun watching you all vent your spleens! I wish I was so certain about these things. Looking forward to more ravings of the keyboard jockeys, it brings a smile to my face in these uncertain times!! :thumbsup:

[carpenterdean]

can't help but think that this kind of s**t would not be tolerated in china!!

[Fatal1ty]

They should get, what they deserve. Some massive big a$$ kicks, and more!

I hope the army or the police can stop this situation. I cant believe, that people in my age are doing sh!t like this...

Wish you all the best London!

[Maddy]

Clarkson for primeminister ! He won't take this tomfoolery !
This government is crap... How do you like your cut backs now! Pathetic :mad:
Got the riots here in manchester now,probs seen on news by now,
talk about cut backs,cameron wants to cut the police force and the army,god help him.
got a funny feeling he will be out very soon,too many cuts to soon.:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[MALLET]

Did anyone just see the prick on sky news just now masked up and say that he's only out to get some money and gear. Wankr. :thumbdown::thumbdown::mad::mad::mad:

[DCM]

Well, if I hear someone tell me one more time that this is happening cause of cutbacks, gonna vent!! This is organised violence to cover up massive theft and destruction, not rioting... Water cannons, rubber bullets, tear gas and horse charges would be good to watch!

[MALLET]

I've only put the news on to see the police getting stuck into the gangs, but the tv news crews are not covering it. :thumbdown:

[eyeayen]

I've only put the news on to see the police getting stuck into the gangs, but the tv news crews are not covering it. :thumbdown:

I just posted this over on the Manchester side of this thread. 2 press photographers got beaten by a group of 8 - 10 youths with bats and bars and had their 8 grands worth of camera gear stolen.

This has all been organised on twitter and facebook, there was something about an Argos that got raided and police clearing it up found something saying what to do if you got caught.

I can't believe how quickly this has escalated. The country needs to show a heavy handed no mercy approach now before it gets any worse. Control needs to be taken back !

[wreckers]

madness :( waste youts, TOO quite here in hackney @ mo, feel something brewing (just heard some sirens going police & fire engines)
their robbing/stripping folk of their items & clothes on their back :confused: see woman got stripped to birthday suit in board light an fella to his briefs :thumbdown: police need to listen to some dark jungle an get stuck in

[wreckers]

they've got one of fire starters of the croydon furniture store :thumbsup:

[styleone]

Its a very sad time for this country. Its been brewing for years, I teach in the youth education sector and the overall conduct of inner city youth has steadily got worse over the last 10 years. I spend hundreds of hours a month engaging inner city children and young adults in educational mentoring and I feel that the last few days terrible acts are the result of many many years of soft, overly liberal treatment of very serious crimes and ill behavior. Right wing views or left wing views...everybody will agree that the world will never accept such blatant disrespect for other humans property and well being. Shocking sights again on the news tonight only confirm that what ever views we all hold these days, our lovely and once proud country has slumped into a state of moral insanity. Lets enjoy our hobby and home lives as best we can and everybody stay safe.

[wreckers]

too true! when I was unruley in school jr & senior got caine,belt or wooden spoon in front of class an back chat or flinch doubles punishment :lol: then sent to stand in corner till period done, bad laugage chew on soap(wasn't nice at all) to top it off they rang parents so when get in more licks again, this is what needed again they'll learn respect for others an themselves.

[Rebelrc]

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Oh dear, nothing like a little lawlessness to bring out the right wingers with all the answers! It's fun watching you all vent your spleens! I wish I was so certain about these things. Looking forward to more ravings of the keyboard jockeys, it brings a smile to my face in these uncertain times!!

I am not sure how to quote on my iPhone!

Nothing to do with right wing slow man
Do you work? Own property? Have scared relations? If you work you will be paying for this! Most of these we have been paying there benefits for years:mad: Everyone that pays somekind of insurance ,it's just gone up.
Innocent hard working people being terrorised and losing everything. Your a prick

[Rebelrc]

In fact slow head your post is really bad( disgusting) especially as some fellow racers live in these areas and are terrified about what's going on
As they have posted on here

And DCM i was not blaming cut backs for this situation
Just there lack of ability to police it! How's your cut backs now stupid government ! Get out!:mad:

[bodgit]

Oh dear, nothing like a little lawlessness to bring out the right wingers with all the answers! It's fun watching you all vent your spleens! I wish I was so certain about these things. Looking forward to more ravings of the keyboard jockeys, it brings a smile to my face in these uncertain times!! :thumbsup:

What a smug bastard you come over as. Lets hope your home and car gets targeted see how right wing you get then, and see if you still keep smiling

[bodgit]

One irony of all this is that some of the shops which were looted could well have sold the hoodies used to disguise the scum who robbed them.

[kaszal]

What a smug bastard you come over as. Lets hope your home and car gets targeted see how right wing you get then, and see if you still keep smiling

"Smug" is the right word but I wouldn't wish it on anyone... erm, except the rioters I suppose. People are right to feel angry... and scared.

Looking at the TV, I just can't believe the scale of it.

[carpenterdean]

bring back the birch and spray em with vinegar:drool: little pricks:thumbdown:

[SlowOne]

It's all so simple to you guys, and yet so well explained by Styleone and Wreckers. It matters not if I own property or work, what most of you are suggesting is both unrealistic and unworkable. Unless and until some effort is made to connect to these people, nothing is going to change. But no effort was made to connect to the kids of the 1920s, the Teddy Boys of the '60s, the Punks of the 70s and the unemployed youth of the '80s, and it's just the same now.

All I can do is smile at the rhetoric on here, because it has nothing to do with thinking of others who may be under threat, none of you mention concern for the innocents, all you want is revenge. Call me as you see my posts, but take a look at your own rage too - it's just as unlikeable as you label me.

One thing has come out of this which is to be applauded - RIM say they will allow the Police any access they request to the records of people they identify who have Blackberrys, so making it easier to place people in the area, and get their SMS, posts and tweets as evidence of their presence and involvement. Other service providers expected to follow suit when presented with the relevant court orders.

[Rebelrc]

Slow head !
It called justice and anger at what has been done
Piss off with your smugness people have died you tit:mad: cause some chav wants to get a free iPhone or nintendo. If not I'm just going to smash everything up and hurt people cause my mummy don't love me! That why we are angry but you know this and keep winding. smug tit

[Si Coe]

Precisely - at the end of the day WE are the ones who will have to foot the bill for all of this. Whether through taxes, insurance or increased prices - those that didn't loot themselves a new set of trainers and a widescreen TV are the ones who have to pay. Its not like you can fine those responsible cos they are all on benefits, so we already pay for them!

Worse still, the precedent has been set, its been shown how easy it is to do this. Here in Manchester, the video footage shows the 'rioters' were clearly organised with lookouts, ringleaders and flanking groups.

There were a lot of police out yesterday, and the shops shut early, but for how long? The smart trick is to wait a few weeks for things to die down, shops to go to normal time, police presence to reduce etc, then do it all again. Doing that there is literally no way to stop them under the current system.

[DavidAMS]

funny thing is that most places that got looted in london are the places that 'they' are likely to work in... so now they ruined the places that they would have probly worked in... pretty simple minded if you ask me..

the youth in the middle east rise up for basic freedom, the youth in london rise up for HD ready 42inch plasmas, what a bunch of monkeys

[pro4nut]

funny thing is that most places that got looted in london are the places that 'they' are likely to work in... so now they ruined the places that they would have probly worked in... pretty simple minded if you ask me..

the youth in the middle east rise up for basic freedom, the youth in london rise up for HD ready 42inch plasmas, what a bunch of monkeys

Please don't over simplify this. I have worked in many of the shops that were looted, and i literally mean shops that were looted not just for the same company.
I had to watch on TV as a shop in Hackney which i was responsible until very recently moving to work in the city, got broken into with the staff present inside. They were terrified and certainly not involved beyond that fact they locked themselves into the back of the shop crying there eyes out.

What do you mean by 'they'? Non of the staff i employed across a number of these business were involved they arrived to work the day after to start shifts as they wopuld have done any other day.

I also don't appreciate having my working choice devalued in such an off hand manner, those of us that work in retail are often treated poorly as it is. We work hard for little pay at times of day that many don't have to. We are subject to abuse and physical violence as part of our employment daily. I have myself been told not to phone the police, by the police themselves when people have commited crimanal damage on a premises i was responsible for as it takes up there time unnessarily.

If you have any dignity i would appreciate that you retract or clarify your point.

Wayne
East London resident

[SlowOne]

Please don't over simplify this. I have worked in many of the shops that were looted, and i literally mean shops that were looted not just for the same company.
I had to watch on TV as a shop in Hackney which i was responsible until very recently moving to work in the city, got broken into with the staff present inside. They were terrified and certainly not involved beyond that fact they locked themselves into the back of the shop crying there eyes out.

What do you mean by 'they'? Non of the staff i employed across a number of these business were involved they arrived to work the day after to start shifts as they wopuld have done any other day.

I also don't appreciate having my working choice devalued in such an off hand manner, those of us that work in retail are often treated poorly as it is. We work hard for little pay at times of day that many don't have to. We are subject to abuse and physical violence as part of our employment daily. I have myself been told not to phone the police, by the police themselves when people have commited crimanal damage on a premises i was responsible for as it takes up there time unnessarily.

If you have any dignity i would appreciate that you retract or clarify your point.

Wayne
East London residentOh, I can see Rebeirc calling out another smug tit here! Brave man , Wayne!

You make the same point I do - too many people with too little thought about what they type. I hope that the announcement today by various local councils and the Government about loans and compensation means you and your staff can get back into business quickly, and everyone recovers OK.

Son of one of my mates at work was mugged by people on the periphery of this violence. And Rebeirc's answer - more violence to take revenge dressed up as justice. Pillock.

[SlowOne]

Precisely - at the end of the day WE are the ones who will have to foot the bill for all of this. Whether through taxes, insurance or increased prices - those that didn't loot themselves a new set of trainers and a widescreen TV are the ones who have to pay. Its not like you can fine those responsible cos they are all on benefits, so we already pay for them!

Worse still, the precedent has been set, its been shown how easy it is to do this. Here in Manchester, the video footage shows the 'rioters' were clearly organised with lookouts, ringleaders and flanking groups.

There were a lot of police out yesterday, and the shops shut early, but for how long? The smart trick is to wait a few weeks for things to die down, shops to go to normal time, police presence to reduce etc, then do it all again. Doing that there is literally no way to stop them under the current system.Brilliant! So, the 11-year-old they've arrested, and the 19-year-old daughter of a millionaire were on benefits eh? And those at work, and... Some are on benefits, but not all. All are lawless with no regard for society's norms or values.

[Si Coe]

Those with money can pay fines, and should be fined. The problem is those that are on benefits literally can't pay for the damage they have done.

As for the backgrounds of those involved - truth is after the first night it was all a case of 'me too' anyway.

[Rebelrc]

Are you on drugs slowman?
When have I promoted more violence? You proper idiot!:p
Read all my posts ! Unedited
Then apologise!
All I said was how disgusting this has been and how stupid the police cutbacks done by our government . Never mentioned revenge at all cluedo! Many people say on here shoot em etc and yet you pick on me.
Called you a smug tit, after your first post. Why do I need to be a brave man?as you say in your last post. That sounds like a threat of violence to me!:thumbsup:
I've posted your ofending post below

[Rebelrc]

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SlowOne
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Oh dear, nothing like a little lawlessness to bring out the right wingers with all the answers! It's fun watching you all vent your spleens! I wish I was so certain about these things. Looking forward to more ravings of the keyboard jockeys, it brings a smile to my face in these uncertain times!!

Said by you!