c4.1 - The bits we'll also need...

[colmo]

I'm trying to anticipate what parts I'll need to complete a c4.1 without gutting my B4. I have most of the bits, but I fully expect there'll be a few fiddly parts I'll need, so would far rather have them ready than discover I'm short halfway through the build!

Anything with a (?) is uncertain, may or may not be included with the kit.

Screws:
Lots of these, mainly 4-40 sizes as per B4.1 manual. Possible use of metric on the chassis? Maybe some included?

Bearings:
As per B4.1 manual, note the metric outdrive bearings. Maybe CML will throw some in as Team Xtreme did?

Chassis:
Bulkhead
Top brace
Steering assembly and bridge
Servo mounts (?)
Bumper/skid plate

Suspension:
Complete shocks (f/r) plus bushings/spacers/screws/lock nuts
Front shock tower
Wishbones (f/r)
Caster blocks (f/r) - either B4.1, B4 or B44 usable in rear.
Steering knuckle and front axle
Hinge pins (inner and outer, f/r)
Turnbuckles and ball cups
Ball studs - as per B4.1 manual.
Rear CVDs (either B4 or B4.1, both suitable)
Conical axle spacer and roll pins

Diff:
Complete ball or gear diff (metric bearings on outdrives, previously mentioned).

Gearbox:
Slipper clutch and spur gear
Not sure about this - will check B4.1 manual. Will there be many custom bits for this, or just the extra idler gear?

Stuff possibly not needed/compatible:
Rear T-piece and hinge pin braces, anti-squat shims, rear chassis brace, wing mounts (?)

Stuff definitely not needed:
Chassis, gearbox case, shell, rear shock tower, motor guard

PDFs are currently inaccessible to me, broadband is at dial-up speeds :( - I'm bound to have missed stuff, I'll add it to this post when prompted.

[KRob]

Screws:
Lots of these, mainly 4-40 sizes as per B4.1 manual. Possible use of metric on the chassis? Maybe some included?

All screws needed for the conversion will be included.
My car doesn't have the correct screws for the chassis as we tried a different chassis finish so had to use a different countersink head (this was a one off - the production chassis' will have the correct countersink).
Will try and find an answer to that one.

Bearings:
As per B4.1 manual, note the metric outdrive bearings. Maybe CML will throw some in as Team Xtreme did?

Sorry, the kit will only be for the B4.1 (no extra bearings) so you will need the metric bearings and outdrives.

Chassis:
Bulkhead
Top brace
Steering assembly and bridge
Servo mounts (?) Yep
Bumper/skid plate

Suspension:
Complete shocks (f/r) plus bushings/spacers/screws/lock nuts
Front shock tower
Wishbones (f/r)
Caster blocks (f/r) - either B4.1, B4 or B44 usable in rear.
Steering knuckle and front axle
Hinge pins (inner and outer, f/r)
Turnbuckles and ball cups
Ball studs - as per B4.1 manual.
Rear CVDs (either B4 or B4.1, both suitable)
Conical axle spacer and roll pins

Yes to all of that, although it will come with rear inner hinge pins (as they are shorter)

Diff:
Complete ball or gear diff (metric bearings on outdrives, previously mentioned).

Gearbox:
Slipper clutch and spur gear
Not sure about this - will check B4.1 manual. Will there be many custom bits for this, or just the extra idler gear?

No custom gearbox parts except the casing itself.
Only needs one idler gear, plus the standard AE shaft and bearings to go with it (obviously these are included in the conversion so you'll only need original B4.1 gearbox inners if converting).

Stuff possibly not needed/compatible:
Rear T-piece and hinge pin braces, anti-squat shims, rear chassis brace, wing mounts (?)

Correct, a new wing mount will be included

Stuff definitely not needed:
Chassis, gearbox case, shell, rear shock tower, motor guard

Correct

PDFs are currently inaccessible to me, broadband is at dial-up speeds :( - I'm bound to have missed stuff, I'll add it to this post when prompted.

Hope that helps a bit

[colmo]

Hope that helps a bit

Yes, it does! I'm stunned I didn't miss something obvious...

Time to get shopping!

[tony6187]

hey hows it going,im pretty sure mickb would have most(if not all)the stuff listed above if thats any help

[Darren Boyle]

Even looking at the list above, you will be amazed how buying all the parts seperate will add up to some serious £££, I would bet it will still be far cheaper to buy the whole B4.1 kit to start with (plus you get the benefit then of having all the unsued bits left over to sell on to recover back some money if you wish).

We found this when we first had the original X6 converisios, just the parts needed, came to £15 more then buying a whole B4 FT kit at the time.........

Still very good value for a car that is performing so well at present, plus if you "do" keep the B4.1 left overs you do have the ability to go back to rear motor layout should the track and conditions etc require it (similiar to the 22 concept I guess)

[styleone]

Even looking at the list above, you will be amazed how buying all the parts seperate will add up to some serious £££, I would bet it will still be far cheaper to buy the whole B4.1 kit to start with (plus you get the benefit then of having all the unsued bits left over to sell on to recover back some money if you wish).

We found this when we first had the original X6 converisios, just the parts needed, came to £15 more then buying a whole B4 FT kit at the time.........

Still very good value for a car that is performing so well at present, plus if you "do" keep the B4.1 left overs you do have the ability to go back to rear motor layout should the track and conditions etc require it (similiar to the 22 concept I guess)

You know what Darren, its a very fair point that is mate, as we all know sometimes the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. I feel that's better advice than my suggestion



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[Adyb]

Will stick pack lipo's fit, Or do you need saddle packs like the TLR22?

Thanks.

[gazhillAE]

I wouldn't even consider for one minute putting a used kit with a new c4.1 !
New new new and sell the rest on as per Darren said!

[gazhillAE]

A list of hop ups for it would be good also!

Are all the brass posts at the front going to be optional or are they going to be blue anodised items?

Also I'm guessing there will be weight kits around if they've been used and tested to work.

Front bulkhead wise I'm guessing itl be brass

I've heard alot about the front shock towers being wrong and right ones so which is the best one to use???

Gaz

[gazhillAE]

Will stick pack lipo's fit, Or do you need saddle packs like the TLR22?

Thanks.

A no no Id say no room

[KRob]

A list of hop ups for it would be good also!

The only thing that the test drivers have been using is a variety of different weights - but none of them were specially made AFAIK, just playing around with normal B4 weight options

Obviously needs springs to suit UK tracks as would a B4.1 - normally blue or silver front and green or silver rear

Are all the brass posts at the front going to be optional or are they going to be blue anodised items?

Not going to be brass, just not that practical. I believe they will be alloy anodised black

Also I'm guessing there will be weight kits around if they've been used and tested to work.

As mentioned, nothing special is made yet - but watch this space ;)

Front bulkhead wise I'm guessing itl be brass

You can use which ever bulkhead you want and already have for the conversion. It will not come with another one.

I've heard alot about the front shock towers being wrong and right ones so which is the best one to use???

:confused: Everyone I know is using standard towers - the front end is standard B4.1 geometry.

Gaz

Oh, and yes it needs saddle packs (although from some basic measuring I think the new stubby sticks will just about fit in across the chassis)

[colmo]

I wouldn't even consider for one minute putting a used kit with a new c4.1 !
New new new and sell the rest on as per Darren said!

Alas, not an economically viable option - by my reckoning, all I need are ballstuds, new bearings, hubs, driveshafts, slipper clutch and gearbox innerds. Plus the new gear diff I was going to get anyway. Shopping around/some items at trade price, that should cost about £70. I'll also be acquiring the c4.1 at trade price, so hopefully £200 or so the lot.

[MK Racing]

A lot of my customers have already brought B4.1 kits to build the C4.1, they have sold the body, chassis, tyres, battery strap, rear tower ect on here or at local clubs, this worked out cheaper than buying all the parts :thumbsup:

[Yardeeee]

A list of hop ups for it would be good also!

Are all the brass posts at the front going to be optional or are they going to be blue anodised items?

Also I'm guessing there will be weight kits around if they've been used and tested to work.

Front bulkhead wise I'm guessing itl be brass

I've heard alot about the front shock towers being wrong and right ones so which is the best one to use???

Gaz

Hopups? :confused: What will be sold is the race winning deal...

Front tower, like the rest of the front end is all AE B4.1, you can't really go wrong.

[arransmith27]

Hey there

Would I be correct in thinking that I would need the following to convert my B4 (not B4.1) to a Centro C4.1 :

1) Lipo saddles
2) B4.1 Diff Outdrives

Would I need anything else ?

Thanks in advance

[peetbee]

b4.1 diff outdrives bearings too, but that should be it

[Steven Forster]

:DHey there

Would I be correct in thinking that I would need the following to convert my B4 (not B4.1) to a Centro C4.1 :

1) Lipo saddles
2) B4.1 Diff Outdrives

Would I need anything else ?

Thanks in advance

b4.1 diff outdrives bearings too, but that should be it


ooooooo, might just have to get myself a C4.1 kit now :D:lol::thumbsup:

[westie]

Hey there

Would I be correct in thinking that I would need the following to convert my B4 (not B4.1) to a Centro C4.1 :

1) Lipo saddles
2) B4.1 Diff Outdrives

Would I need anything else ?

Thanks in advance

Thats all im going to do :thumbsup:

[arransmith27]

Sweeeeeettttt.......

Will try and free up some cash and pre-order me thinks :thumbsup:

Got a feeling the C4.1 is gonna be a great peice of kit

[styleone]

So what everybody feeling regarding shocks for the centro? V2's, old school losi's, 22 big bores (if they fit?) I guess those buying FT kit to convert will go with v2's but what about everybody else?

Thoughts please :)

[peetbee]

At least the setups from the team will be the same if you have V1 or V2 shocks - with other shocks you'd have to play around with the settings a bit

[Richard Lowe]

The V1 and V2 shocks are very similar, but not exactly comparable. In my experience the V2's feel a little softer than V1's when built the same, so if running V1's you might want to go 2.5/5wt softer on oils :)

[Steven Forster]

dont know if its already mentioned but will need these gold posts from the chassis to the front top plate................

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l329/d3xt3r24/C41frontend.jpg


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[tellor]

From a B4 to a C4.1 I think I'll need....

9852 - new outdrives
9832 - new metric outdrive bearings
9826 - new gearbox casing

can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

right back from changing my optima mid chain drive to a belt drive, this is one conversion I'm really looking forward to. :drool:

[peetbee]

dont know if its already mentioned but will need these gold posts from the chassis to the front top plate................
should be included in the conversion kit

9826 - new gearbox casing

not needed, the C4.1 will have it's own gearbox casing to take the extra idler gear

[KRob]

As mentioned previouly the front posts will not be brass in the kit but alloy. This is due to practicalities for making the kit (and cost of course) but there will be options available in time for added weight at the front of the car.