S2 & Atomized B44 update

[OldTimer]

We should be running at least two pre-production versions of the S2 and Atomized B44 at Coventry this weekend. This will be the final test for the cars then i can hopefully sign off the designs, and start production :thumbsup:

If you racing at Coventry you are more than welcome to have a look at the cars, and if there is time at the end of the meeting, have a go with my S2.

[grindog]

hi jonathon, good news! Any chance you will be at the broxtowe meeting the week after?

thanks, john

[surfking]

Yeah get on. Cant wait for more on this b44

[bender]

Jonathon, is there any chance of spacing the cell a bit further apart on the S2?

I realise you are limited by the size of the tub but I noticed when I saw some pics of the car that the cells are extremely close together.

Personally, I'd be willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of performance to gain some peace of mind with regards to cells shorting out ;)

[GRIFF55]

If you racing at Coventry you are more than welcome to have a look at the cars, and if there is time at the end of the meeting, have a go with my S2.[/quote]

Good God:o would you be willing to let this animal loose with your S2:p.
I'd give it a good strength testing;)

[IceMike]

can we have some more pictures of the Atomized B44?? wondering if its gunna be a good investment

[OldTimer]

Jonathon, is there any chance of spacing the cell a bit further apart on the S2?

I realise you are limited by the size of the tub but I noticed when I saw some pics of the car that the cells are extremely close together.

Personally, I'd be willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of performance to gain some peace of mind with regards to cells shorting out ;)

On my S2 there is around a 3-4mm gap between the cell bars, if i used battery bars which are straighter then that would increase, if somebody wanted a tray with the cells a further 2mm apart for example when i could make a one off for them, but of course the cell bars would then be closer to the outer tub wall. If you just popped a little insulation tape on the bars that would stop any chance of them shorting.

[OldTimer]

can we have some more pictures of the Atomized B44?? wondering if its gunna be a good investment

http://www.doughtyuk.net/images/B44s-1.jpg

http://www.doughtyuk.net/images/B44s-2.jpg

The top decks have changed a little since these photos.

[IceMike]

how stiff is the Atomized B44 chassis, does it bend and flex much??

[Lee]

its a tub so i would imagine it would be very stiff;)

[matdodd]

Jonathon, is there any chance of spacing the cell a bit further apart on the S2?

I realise you are limited by the size of the tub but I noticed when I saw some pics of the car that the cells are extremely close together.

Personally, I'd be willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of performance to gain some peace of mind with regards to cells shorting out ;)


If you mean the pics of my S2 they do look closer together on the pic than in the flesh. If you want to have a look up close & your at Worksop on Sunday just come on over.

[ashleyb4]

saw the atomiized b44 today and the cars looked dialled andy and craig did a super job they looked the best cars on the track.

A

[GRIFF55]

Cheers Ash, the cars were superb. Wish the same could be said about my driving:lol:. After a few alterations during the day, mine felt very nice to drive!!

[ashleyb4]

looking at your car in your tent griff it did look good i like the front shock tower and the vent style shapes in it the only thing i was waondering about is that steering are there bearings in the carbon fibre? As it seemed a little woberly.

A

[Wraggy]

i was waondering about is that steering are there bearings in the carbon fibre? As it seemed a little woberly.

A

that will be changed before final release .. and there is a bearing in there

[ashleyb4]

ok cool

A

[Wraggy]

ok cool

A
you can get your order in now Ash:thumbsup:

[Chris Green]

looking at your car in your tent griff it did look good i like the front shock tower and the vent style shapes in it the only thing i was waondering about is that steering are there bearings in the carbon fibre? As it seemed a little woberly.

A


lmfao at "woberly" :D

[ashleyb4]

you can get your order in now Ash:thumbsup:

ppfff i wish i could paul it looked a an ace car but at 230 pound for conversion im afraid im going to have to give it a miss lol

A

[c0sie]

And probably cos it wont fit a Losi...

Saw Craigs S44 thingy on Friday and popped a bone..as always..

AC cars are RC porn IMO

[Body Paint]

Atomized B44 was ace, after some work on the setup both the were nailed, I just love driving the car it is pure unadultarated pleasure

[GRIFF55]

ppfff i wish i could paul it looked a an ace car but at 230 pound for conversion im afraid im going to have to give it a miss lol

A

I THINK it's £220 for the full conversion or £199.99 w/out the shock towers letting you use the originals and ae shocks. Best to check with the man himself first!!:thumbsup:
Worth every penny in my opinion and before you ask, i have drove the std B44 too

[ashleyb4]

my birthday is under a month :)

A

[strobe]

Get a B44 kit.
Sell the carbon Fibre bits, shell, undertray and Associated shocks as you don't need these.
So far i have sold all of these bar the chassis. Made £110. Kit has cost me £90 so far. Great if i could sell the Chassis. Just need the £220 for conversion.

[Garry Driffill]

i dont think ive ever had two cars like ive got now that are sooo fun to drive, look amazing and really have such a feel good factor to them.

there Atom-azing ! :thumbsup:

[strobe]

Oldtimer.
Have you signed off the designs for the S2 and Atomized B44 so that they can be put into production after yesterdays test. :thumbsup:

[Chris Doughty]

I think Jonathan might be away on business so might not reply that quickly.

[leelar]

is there a price and date yet for the S2

[Daniel T]

How far away is the Atomized B44? Any "release" date?

[jasonrcb]

not sure of a price yet but i drove the s2 first prototype yesterday and you have to drive 1 to believe how good they are:thumbsup:

first time out with the car and straight away a lap faster and im no great driver but the car is superb

[matdodd]

not sure of a price yet but i drove the s2 first prototype yesterday and you have to drive 1 to believe how good they are:thumbsup:



Im with you on that :D Yesterday at kiddy was my first time outdoors with the S2 & it just got better & better through quallifing :thumbsup:
It feels quite like a 4wd to drive you can push the car so hard!

[strobe]

Received my S2 from Jonathan at Kiddy yesterday.
Just finished building it tonight.
Can't wait to race it at Coventry's Easter weekend event.
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[OldTimer]

Hopefully i will start shipping backorders for both cars next week, but it will take some time to clear these orders. If your serious about ordering a conversion kit its worth dropping me a email and i can add you to the list.

Below are the prices for the conversion kits.

S2 conversion kit for the AE B4 GBP £240 + shipping
Atomized B44 conversion kit for the AE B44 GBP £220.00 + shipping
Atomized B44 conversion kit without AC shock towers GBP £199.99 + shipping

[Thomas P]

Are we glad or what :D:D..can almost feel the mailman already :D:D

[ttboyy2k]

Will there be a review of the S2 here on Oople by Jimmy here in the near future?

[JohnM]

Hopefully i will start shipping backorders for both cars next week, but it will take some time to clear these orders. If your serious about ordering a conversion kit its worth dropping me a email and i can add you to the list.

Below are the prices for the conversion kits.

S2 conversion kit for the AE B4 GBP £240 + shipping
Atomized B44 conversion kit for the AE B44 GBP £220.00 + shipping
Atomized B44 conversion kit without AC shock towers GBP £199.99 + shipping

Jonathan, is there a reason why we'd want one without the AC shock towers? they are so much more slinky then the std ones, why keep the ugly old bits?

[OldTimer]

Will there be a review of the S2 here on Oople by Jimmy here in the near future?

If jimmy has the time i am sure we can sort something out :D

[OldTimer]

Jonathan, is there a reason why we'd want one without the AC shock towers? they are so much more slinky then the std ones, why keep the ugly old bits?

Just trying to give people a option to save a little cash if they need to :)

But the atomic carbon towers are thicker than the kit items and i think look nicer :thumbsup:

[GRIFF55]

Also i can say that i have proved they take a good beating too!!:thumbsup:
Worth the extra cash just for the look, 100%

[JohnM]

Just trying to give people a option to save a little cash if they need to :)

But the atomic carbon towers are thicker than the kit items and i think look nicer :thumbsup:

Cool, the new ones are much nicer, just got to convince the wife to let me spend more money, maybe I shouldn't have married an accountant!:D

[Thomas P]

Damn, im so curious Mr J...any news :wub on Ezz2 cars:thumbsup:

[CCristo]

...S2 conversion kit for the AE B4 GBP £240 + shipping

What's included in the S2 kit? How much is shipping to the US?

[strobe]

chassis, rear shock tower, delrin gear box, shell, wing mounts, battery straps, screws, rear hinge pin mounts, body mounts and 4th gear for gear box.
Can't remember any thing more.

[OldTimer]

What's included in the S2 kit? How much is shipping to the US?

Carbon fibre moulded chassis, aerial holder, aluminum standoff posts for the front end, battery tray and battery straps, cnc machined delrin gearbox, extra idler gear & shaft plus bearings, rear shock tower, wing mounts, hinge pin braces plus a spare set, S2 bodyshell and wing, and all the fasteners required to complete the conversion.

Shipping would be £12.50 to the USA.

[Thomas P]

Can someone, maybe Jonathan do a list of exat parts that i WONT be needed from my B4 car, it is in good shape and will put up everything on sale.. i meman, so i dont sell anything that i need for the conversion :)

/Thomas P

[strobe]

Chassis, rear shock tower, gearbox casing, shell & wing, wing mounts, battery strap and rear plastic motor guard. There is a few little items as well but can't remember them at moment.
1 Tip if you are getting an S2 is to cut the rear inner hinge pins to 43mm long.

[strobe]

Finished building my Atomized B44 today.
Just waiting on New Brushless ESC to arrive so that i can give it a try.
Tested S2 today and very happy with how it went. Now to make up the cells for it.
Big thanks to Craig Harris for the set-up. :thumbsup:

[Thomas P]

Mate how dare ya to post with out pics ;)

[strobe]

Thomas P. Will post some once i have the ESC in her. :drool::drool:

[Thomas P]

Strrrrobe, don´t buy that :p....

[SHY]

Jonathan, can we see pics of the new S2 shell please?

F1 fan, oh yes! Going to Singapore to see the night race, can't wait! :D

[Body Paint]

Patience dear SHY, patience :lol:

[OldTimer]

Jonathan, can we see pics of the new S2 shell please?

F1 fan, oh yes! Going to Singapore to see the night race, can't wait! :D

Body Paint is hopefully spraying up some of the shells this weekend :thumbsup: so hopefully we will get some photos up soon, but i am not sure if the detail will show up that well on photos.

[SHY]

Well, I lack that patience gene... so I just ordered it :D And a S44... Those carbon tubs are good enough reasons really! :lol:

[strobe]

Shy. You won't be disapointed.

[strobe]

Pictures of the Atomized B44.

[SHY]

Nice! I'm not very afraid of that no :D

[big_whyman]

Got mine finished too!!

Looks fantastic, slightly afraid to use it as I can guarantee i'll scratch it!! lol
Hopefully gona have it up and running at the Indoor finals, if I get chance to adapt my batteries, paint a shell and generally tart the beast up!

[Nolan BJ4WE]

Jonathan, how much is it for the BJ4WE conversion to a AC S4?

And is spares ready and availible or is there a lead time?

Top work on the S2!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Wraggy]

Got mine finished too!!

Looks fantastic, slightly afraid to use it as I can guarantee i'll scratch it!! lol
Hopefully gona have it up and running at the Indoor finals, if I get chance to adapt my batteries, paint a shell and generally tart the beast up!
there getting to popular now !!! im not having one now!! lol :lol::lol:

[OldTimer]

Jonathan, how much is it for the BJ4WE conversion to a AC S4?

And is spares ready and availible or is there a lead time?

Top work on the S2!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

The S4 conversion is £265.00 and i would guess at the moment around 4-6 weeks wait for the conversion :( but i keep the towers etc in stock.

[grindog]

hi jonathan, will you be attending the finals? if so,will you be taking any of the s44 conversion kits along?

thanks john

[OldTimer]

hi jonathan, will you be attending the finals? if so,will you be taking any of the s44 conversion kits along?

thanks john

I should be up at worksop not sure yet which day i will be there, Craig Harris, Andy Grif and David Church should be running the Atomized B44 :thumbsup:

[Northy]

Jonathan, come see me at Worksop, I have some stuff for you (finally!) :thumbsup:

G

[GRIFF55]

Have you got some stuff for me mate??

[ashleyb4]

what about me i want stuff i dont want to be left out :cry:

A

[Chris Doughty]

me me!

[Lee]

You didnt say please:lol::p

[Northy]

Have you got some stuff for me mate??

Yes Griff, you coming to the indoor finals or want it sending? :confused:

G

[GRIFF55]

finals will do, cheers, i'll be there on the sunday:thumbsup:

[Northy]

finals will do, cheers, i'll be there on the sunday:thumbsup:

Cheers Griff, come find me :D

G

[David Church]

My new car is built and looking very sweeeeeet:thumbsup: With my new Slingshot Cells, its gonna be a rocketship!!!! :thumbsup:

[ttboyy2k]

Does anyone know the S2's rear weight percentage? I think the X-6 is something like 55% in the rear and 45% in the front. Does the S2 have more weight in the rear end compared to the x-6? Also, do the saddle pack lipo's fit in the S2?

[SHY]

Good question!

From the X-6 manual: "A typical 2WD has 70% rear / 30% front, the X-6 has 55% rear / 45% front".

I guess you can play around a bit on the X-6 though, as you can put all 6 cells (or a stick lipo) across in the rearwards position. 4-2 is "normal" though.

The X-6 uses it's "own" rear arms, whilst the S2 uses std. B4 arms right? Does anyone know why?

[OldTimer]

Once the hard cased lipo saddles are out, and i can get hold of some then i will make a new battery tray for them, which you can adjust forwards and backwards like the current tray.

I am not able to get corner weights so i cannot give you a rear weight percentage. With the movable battery tray we find this is a very good extra tuning aid for the car, as you are moving around the heaviest item in the car.

When we ran the 3 gear car, i had to try to get as much weight to the back of the car to get rear end grip, even added 55grams of lead onto the rear shock tower to help, but with the 4 gear gearbox thats in the production S2 its the opposite it generates lots of grip so no lead needed, and i normally run my cells in the mid or forwards position to lose some rear end grip.

S2 uses B4 wishbones btw.

[SHY]

Sounds great Jonathan! Add one of those new trays to my order! :thumbsup:

Would it be possible for you to also make one for the S44? (like Diggity Designs just made, see redrc.net)

[SHY]

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/nif2008/2wd/bigimages/OOP_6048.jpghttp://www.oople.com/rc/photos/nif2008/2wd/OOP_6048.html
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/nif2008/2wd/bigimages/OOP_6041.jpg
I guess that's the new shell? Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!! :woot:

That blue alu front part, where's that from? (Integy?)

[Body Paint]

New shell and wing, glad you like it. It's the first one people actually really like which makes me very happy :).

I think the front end is either K-Factory or GPM, I've had it such a long time I can't remember. Jonathan might remember.

[OldTimer]

I think its a GPM part, got mine from here http://cgi.ebay.com/ALU-GRAPHITE-FRONT-BULKHEAD-Fits-ASSOCIATED-RC10-B4-T4_W0QQitemZ140216638278QQihZ004QQcategoryZ19167QQ cmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

[SHY]

Ah, yes. I think it's GPM then. So that's durable? (I've heard most of their upgrade parts aren't...)

I like the fact that the S2 now is a obvious relative to the S44! :)

Thx Jonathan! Any more recommended bling? Who sell those blu alu washers? Blue damper collars?

[jimmy]

I know Nortech do the washers - I got my red ones from nortech for my Tamiya - but they do blue ones by the bucket load! :lol:

[ben]

Nortech racing:thumbsup: http://www.nortechracing.co.uk/

The shock collars are a Trinity part.

ben

dam you jimmy beat me to it lol

[SHY]

Thx a lot guys!

Btw very nice race report as always from the Indoor Finals Jimmy! When iE10 comes with smell it'll be like actually being there! That norwegian Ketil you interviewed is "the man to beat" up here on the north pole :). He's not only the reigning norwegian champion the last 3 years, he's also the reigning Nordic champion (N+S+D+F)

[jimmy]

he did very well in 4WD - I think qualified 9th in the B final and finished 6/7th which is really good I have to say.

[SHY]

Awesome! He was also not very far away from A-finals in both 2WD and 4WD in the Euros last year. He won the Euros Warm-Up (don't remember if it was both classes though). He's from Trondheim, home of the famous soccerteam Rosenborg. That explains a lot! :thumbsup:

[Northy]

Shy, if you want any Nor-Tech bits just pm me :)

G

[SHY]

Northy, you know I'm fast... order placed many minutes ago! :rolleyes:

[Northy]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

G

[andy05]

That car loks SOOOO GOOD carnt wait for mine:drool::drool::drool::drool:

[jasonrcb]

My s2 arrived today:thumbsup: built and ready for sunday

and it is a work of art everything goes together perfect would recommend to anyone and so easy and fast to drive

[mattym0310]

whats happening to the one you bought off garry?? [it was you wasn't it??]

[jasonrcb]

yes it was me and its staying on my shelf now i have the new 1 that will be rebuilt and shelved not many of them about now so it will join the collection

[elvo]

Does anyone know the S2's rear weight percentage?


Same as the B4; 35/65 with the batts in full rear position.

[Thomas P]

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/nif2008/2wd/bigimages/OOP_6048.jpghttp://www.oople.com/rc/photos/nif2008/2wd/OOP_6048.html
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/nif2008/2wd/bigimages/OOP_6041.jpg
I guess that's the new shell? Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!! :woot:

That blue alu front part, where's that from? (Integy?)

Now that is one swet body just want to :p:p:p up asap :thumbsup:..i think mine arrived to Sweden today or tomorrow ..just LUUUV the intakes on the sides..

[SHY]

Same as the B4; 35/65 with the batts in full rear position.

Really? So only with the batteries forward you change the weight balance, by how much?

But isn't it so that you still have changed the mass of inertia? (the heavy components are with the S2 more centrally placed). Which eliminates the "sledge effect".

It would be übercool if you made sort of a promo 3D animation about this! :woot:

[elvo]

Really? So only with the batteries forward you change the weight balance, by how much?

By more than the B4. Don't know the numbers by heart, but the distance you can slide the batts forward is a few mm larger in the S2 than it is on the B4. But it's not that important anyway: on the S2, battery position is much less critical, we've found.


But isn't it so that you still have changed the mass of inertia? (the heavy components are with the S2 more centrally placed). Which eliminates the "sledge effect".

Yes, in one dimension, anyway. Inertia in roll is a tad higher though.


It would be übercool if you made sort of a promo 3D animation about this! :woot:


:-) We've got other even more übercool projects going on though.

[SHY]

OK, I admit I'm a wee bit confused right now :)

I thought the S2 was the golden middle way between a X-6 and a B4, but now you're telling me it has the same weight balance. You're also saying X-Factorys statement about the B4 weight balance is wrong? (see previous post) Did you check this using scales or did you simulate it?

To sum it up:
X-Factory claims a typical 2WD has 70% rear / 30% front
X-Factory claims the X-6 has 55% rear / 45% front"
Elvo claims the B4 has 65% rear /35 % front with the batts in full rear position
Elvo claims the S2 also has 65% rear /35 % front with the batts in full rear position

Why is the S2 then faster & easier to drive for most people? I have a feeling the very best guys are as fast with a B4, but for Joe Racer it's better, right?

(the mere looks of the S2 is of course also an important reason for wanting one)

Btw I'd love to know the weight balance also for XX4, X-5, B44, S4, S44, MID44, A-1...

[elvo]

OK, I admit I'm a wee bit confused right now :)



Check your email.

[SHY]

Eureka! :woot: Thx!

[strobe]

Craig.
Looking at this photo and noticed that you are not using a gear cover on the slipper. Has the shell been designed to do away with the cover.

[Body Paint]

Craig.
Looking at this photo and noticed that you are not using a gear cover on the slipper. Has the shell been designed to do away with the cover.

Yep, no gear cover needed. The shell covers up the spur nicely and just the end of the slipper nut pokes out of the shell. I bet you JC hacks off some of my finest craftsmanship and sticks a gear cover on it though LOL

[strobe]

Yep, no gear cover needed. The shell covers up the spur nicely and just the end of the slipper nut pokes out of the shell. I bet you JC hacks off some of my finest craftsmanship and sticks a gear cover on it though LOL


Just like i have Craig. But that is on my test shell and will not be doing that to the shell you are doing for me. Will you have time to cut the shell out for me so i don't ruin some fine craftmanship.
Mark

[CCristo]

OldTimer,

You have PM

[matdodd]

CCristo the Oldtimer is away till later in the week so you may not get a reply straight away.

[ben]

Do you know if he's coming down to kiddy matt?

[matdodd]

Ye Ben hes back by then!

[ben]

lol i just ment in general is he going. I know he is gonna be back:)

[David Church]

lol i just ment in general is he going. I know he is gonna be back:)


Yes he will be there :thumbsup: he has some bits for me!!!

[strobe]

JC's doing 2wd and 4wd Nationals this year.:thumbsup:

[CCristo]

CCristo the Oldtimer is away till later in the week so you may not get a reply straight away.

Thanks. I sent him a PM last week and haven't heard back yet. I was starting to think he didn't want to sell me an S2 :)

[Oliv996]

Btw I'd love to know the weight balance also for XX4, X-5, B44, S4, S44, MID44, A-1...

As concerning the B44: I guess about 41% front / 59% rear
and for MiD44: I would say something like 48% front / 52% rear

[OldTimer]

Will be at kiddy on saturday and sunday :thumbsup: and all emails now replied to.