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hotrodchris

25-12-2011, 10:11 PM

4wd either a 6.5 or 5.5 speed passion with a decent esc the 120 amp hobbywing are good quality at a resonable price, or look for INIX on the bay if on a tight budget to start with 60 pounds delivered, got one in my 2wd and no issues so far. Then theres the batteries there is a lot of choice out there and the most expensive is not always the best you want 4000 to 5000 mah and generally the higher the C rating the better most important a good quality servo!

TARTMAN

25-12-2011, 10:21 PM

yeah thats the better choice, plenty of clubs and more popular from what i can tell(only been back 4 months after 22 years away myself).

I run an SX3 and a cougar.

Love schumacher and there back up is awsome.

durango is a great car to as is the B44 and the many others.

Go to your local track and see what you like the look of is best, thats what i did and went for the scumy clan..... Its what i was racing 22 yrs ago when i left the scene.

Welcome back to the better side, if not the dark side lol...........:thumbsup:

thaiboxer

25-12-2011, 10:25 PM

Any good clubs Manchester way ??

The Chef

25-12-2011, 11:37 PM

sx3 has to be one of the best out there at the minuet, very strong fast and reliable, and the parts back up is second to none

Sorry Red but I have to disagree strongly. I had the worst reliability with both of my SX3's The 410V3 is fast out of the box and strong as hell also reliable. Gets my vote. If I wasn't running that I'd be Laser FS2 Sp:thumbsup:

Just my 2p.

traffman

25-12-2011, 11:46 PM

Tried a b44 , bmax and a durango , now im loving the Laser fs2 , excellent price as its just been reduced to 239 quid.

bigred5765

25-12-2011, 11:49 PM

Sorry Red but I have to disagree strongly. I had the worst reliability with both of my SX3's The 410V3 is fast out of the box and strong as hell also reliable. Gets my vote. If I wasn't running that I'd be Laser FS2 Sp:thumbsup:

Just my 2p.

really do tell,

Si Coe

26-12-2011, 12:12 AM

Manchester clubs - At the moment you've got Bury who are racing indoors in Oldham, and in summer race outdoors in Bury (duh!), Batley who run a big indoor series in Oldham over the winter (but are the wrong side of the moors the rest of the year) and Stockport who race lots of electric stuff (including buggys) in a broom cupboard in Cheadle.
With some more travelling Southport and Ribble Valley (Leyland) are also popular. Roundabout Toy's will no doubt be setting up somewhere again soon, but are currently 'between venues'.

Locally the B44.1 seems to be the most common, followed by Durangos at the moment. Not many SX3's so far.

The Chef

26-12-2011, 01:59 AM

really do tell,

Belts and lay shaft bearing mostly. And I found the front shock towers incredibly weak. I spend a lot of time on the tools with my cars and found that I just could not achieve a satisfactory reliability factor, so they had to go. Loving the V3 Durango and love the look of the New Lazer although they seem to be eating diffs at my local club.

As I said that was my experience with them I also know other people who do do very well with the SX3.

As they say opinions are like "A" holes every one has one and most of them stink.

It is also worth seeing what is popular with the guys at your local club as they will help with set up and spares if your lacking one evening.

K:D

cmgreen

26-12-2011, 08:20 AM

budfish

26-12-2011, 08:56 AM

love the look of the New Lazer although they seem to be eating diffs at my local club.

K:D

Don't see how mate it's got awesome drive train may be they need some top quality balls in their diffs ??

I might change the bevel gears in my lazer once a season.

When I bought my b44.1 I built it and I couldn't get the spur gear to mesh !!! Due to it being egg shaped ae cars are cheap and nasty that's why I flogged it and back to the lazer for me!!

thaiboxer

26-12-2011, 09:31 AM

seems very mixed opinion wise !! has the b44 been around a while and is something about to replace it this year ??

can some one tell me where anx when in oldham the bury club meet ?
daz

budfish

26-12-2011, 09:57 AM

seems very mixed opinion wise !! has the b44 been around a while and is something about to replace it this year ??

can some one tell me where anx when in oldham the bury club meet ?
daz

Here's bury website http://www.bmrcc.co.uk/

The next race is 8th of jan indoors in Oldham I'll be there so if you want a chat or a look round just turn up and any off the lads will point you in the right direction

As for the b44 it was updated last year to the b44.1 not massively differant than the b44 just little tweaks here and there

Buds

Si Coe

26-12-2011, 09:58 AM

Details are on the website (http://bmrcc.co.uk/index.html), address on the front, dates in the calendar section. Next meeting is the 8th.

The B44 series has been around a while, but the B44.1 is only a year old or so, current world champ and competitive at all levels. It won't be replaced soon.

thaiboxer

26-12-2011, 10:16 AM

thanks guys !!! if running 5.5 what is recommended speedo an lipo wise

hotrodchris

26-12-2011, 10:34 AM

Esc lots to choose from personally i like the hobbywing 120 amp with USB programme card batteries depending on car sticks or saddles?
4500mah 45c plus i would recommend and must be hard cased

budfish

26-12-2011, 10:38 AM

thanks guys !!! if running 5.5 what is recommended speedo an lipo wise

I personally prefer lrp speedos to any other due to the 2 year warranty it comes with I think speed passion speedos come with 6 weeks or something like that

As for lipos I think the Orion 5500 mah 90c are really good quality for around £70 each I use the slighty less powerful ones which are 4500mah and 45c I've used both and can't tell the difference performance wise

Savox servos are good quality for the price around £55

Buds

budfish

26-12-2011, 10:43 AM

Je spares have the lrp sxx tc spec for £129.99 a saving of around £50

Heres the link http://www.jespares.com/electric-models?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=11186&category_id=532

Buds

Stu

26-12-2011, 10:44 AM

thanks guys !!! if running 5.5 what is recommended speedo an lipo wise

I would avoid a 5.5. With a new 45C LiPo that will be like trying to control a rat on crack. Unless you can make a National A final it will be too fast.

A 7.5 will be plenty, especially for indoors. On a big outdoor track you may want a 6.5, if you have some good skills in your thumbs.

Je spares have the lrp sxx tc spec for £129.99 a saving of around £50

I have that ESC from the same source, good price for top quality stuff. Service & backup from JE and the UK importer is good also.

TARTMAN

26-12-2011, 10:51 AM

thanks guys !!! if running 5.5 what is recommended speedo an lipo wise

I run a votex R10 pro, LOVE it from the box........ and will handle a 5.5 easily, althou 5.5 is a little mad..... but then you might be??

I have a 6.5t in the sx3 and plenty of power with no turbo etc.....

and on the subject of the best car about.........

Its subjective........... EG, Chef, had issues with the cat, i have had none at all in 3 months, not a one..... apart from a spur gear when motor came loose, but thats just one of those things.....
breakages is normal for any car, i broke a front mount, yes, but thats normal stuff. any one can break em.... althou i now make my own and there unbreakable, so far no more busted shock mounts........
Dudders busted a shock mount at the mkgp with a new(b44.1) car, so no car is safe...... infact, the b44.1 in my opinion has a very exposed front end........... but as i said, everyone brakes stuff, so pays ya money and makes ya chioce................. eitehr way have fun!!!

Love schumacher and thats what works for me..... everyone will have love and or hate for all cars in one way or another.......... So its really what you decide suits you......... Happy Racin whatever you decide on......:thumbsup::thumbsup:

feniks

26-12-2011, 10:54 AM

Belts and lay shaft bearing mostly. And I found the front shock towers incredibly weak. I spend a lot of time on the tools with my cars and found that I just could not achieve a satisfactory reliability factor, so they had to go. Loving the V3 Durango and love the look of the New Lazer although they seem to be eating diffs at my local club.

As I said that was my experience with them I also know other people who do do very well with the SX3.

As they say opinions are like "A" holes every one has one and most of them stink.

It is also worth seeing what is popular with the guys at your local club as they will help with set up and spares if your lacking one evening.

K:D

well as I was one of the first to have one of the SX3 cars when they came out (thanks to Phill and Mark marchal) I had also the first problems with it .
and yes the first mid belt was a problem bud that was solvd against the time the euro's arived so cant complain on that at all . second bearings ??????? i ran the car sinds April and it has seen it all dirt , dirt astro in al conditions tu up that most drivers would not even start and the car came in after a run and you could poor the dirt and water out of the car and never broken 1 bearing . schock towers mmmmm broken more of them last year on my 511 so ??? as tom and lee already told me a few times than dont hit anny thing than it wil not break lol . and as far as I now most belgium 4X4 drivers now drive a cat instead of there durango's from last year as the car is way easyer to drive and more durabel . but hey thats my opinion only . would say let me prep a car for you and you will see thats its not the car but the mecanic that mostly fails and that resulting in a broken part. lol

hotrodchris

26-12-2011, 11:09 AM

[QUOTE=Stu;598964]I would avoid a 5.5. With a new 45C LiPo that will be like trying to control a rat on crack. Unless you can make a National A final it will be too fast.

If you run a 5.5 and a decent speedo with a program card you can tune them down to be controlable, but if you don't get a program card a 5.5 can be fun!
Admittedly a lot of indoor tracks a 6.5 with the correct gearing is all you need apart from skill!
(Searched on line can't find a shop that sells it though):thumbdown:

Cardnim

26-12-2011, 11:33 AM

I would avoid a 5.5. With a new 45C LiPo that will be like trying to control a rat on crack. Unless you can make a National A final it will be too fast.

A 7.5 will be plenty, especially for indoors. On a big outdoor track you may want a 6.5, if you have some good skills in your thumbs.

100% agree.
I just got started racing this time last year and went straight in at with a 6.5 in my Cat SX2. In hindsight this was too much for me. I upped it to a 5.5 (?!?) which was bonkers as Stu rightly says. TOo much for me.

A 7.5 if you will mostly be racing bigger tracks, or even a good 10.5 I would recommend. With todays timing advances ESC you can always push a 10.5 that bit extra to get top end if you need it.

Car = SX3 for me. Build it right, its going to be a great car; loads of other drivers on here for advice/setups and best of all, the Schumacher team and staff are second to none for service, parts and help.

BUt has already been said, Im sure that most of the top 1/10th cars now are all much of a muchness in terms of performance and reliability when built and driven well.

Good luck :)

tisher

26-12-2011, 11:34 AM

if you are just starting back get a b44 or fs2 both pretty decent cars but I personally would go for the fs2 very easy to drive motor wise get yourself a 6.5t nowadays you can always turn down the end point on your remote if its to quick. cars now are as quick as you can handle and with lipo and brushless you can have to much speed.. esc wise I would say the same as buds you can not beat the lrp sxx. I made the mistake of buying a very quick car when I started back and it took me nearly 4 months to learn how to control it properly again and I used to be a very good driver

JonyNitro

26-12-2011, 11:42 AM

FS-2 for me with Nosram pearl,or Lrp Sxx, 6.5t with 40,50 c cells

VillageIdiot

26-12-2011, 11:45 AM

I personally prefer lrp speedos to any other due to the 2 year warranty it comes with I think speed passion speedos come with 6 weeks or something like that

As for lipos I think the Orion 5500 mah 90c are really good quality for around £70 each I use the slighty less powerful ones which are 4500mah and 45c I've used both and can't tell the difference performance wise

Savox servos are good quality for the price around £55

Buds

when I tried the 90c saddles in my durango with the tekin system i noticed a huge difference between the 45c lipos. I found it more responsive and drivable. hard to explain but ive been converted to 90c lipos

The Chef

26-12-2011, 11:48 AM

Don't see how mate it's got awesome drive train may be they need some top quality balls in their diffs ??

I might change the bevel gears in my lazer once a season.

When I bought my b44.1 I built it and I couldn't get the spur gear to mesh !!! Due to it being egg shaped ae cars are cheap and nasty that's why I flogged it and back to the lazer for me!!

I know what you mean Bud My RB5 SP2 Diff is as smooth as silk for ages I may look as it 2 or 3 times a year I change the oil on my durango every 3rd club meet and after each all dayer. I guess i will do the same with the MP9 may be after each meet I'll ask around but I do keep on top of my cars:thumbsup:

I'd buy a Lazer in a blink If I didn't have the Durango.

budfish

26-12-2011, 11:51 AM

I would avoid a 5.5. With a new 45C LiPo that will be like trying to control a rat on crack..

Its Excactly like that I remember buying my sxx and a x12 5.5t 45c lipos then went to chadderton to help set up and have a practice afterwards.
I over shot the straight went head on I to the wall snapped the chassis,top deck,front shock tower and bent all the hinge pins on the front of my brand new fs2

Needless to say I run a6.5t now.

The fastest car at the track isn't always the fastest going around the track!! Fact

TARTMAN

26-12-2011, 11:53 AM

i was using lower, 30 to 45c cells, now i use the nanotech 65-130c lipos and must say they give loads more punch without seeming to be snatchy, love em.

but it would not suit everyone, as mentioned, the modern esc/brushless etc can be tuned up or down and truly make any car/motor/set up adjustable in every way.

I am still old school style so i have a decent power in the motor and a nice esc and leave it standard, till the thumbs get a little more used to the speed and thaw out from the many years frozen out of the game, I would stick to not to much power.....

And thats my advice like others have said, start with a 7.5t and you can always make it quicker of needed, easier than detuning a mad man 5.5t...

but we all drive differently so its all good advice........... for different people....... Maybe buying a couple different motors, 2nd hand to get an idea what suits you and the car and then selling them off and buying new when you know...... thats a financial option of course.... :thumbsup:

Si Coe

26-12-2011, 12:51 PM

To be honest I race at Bury in 4wd using a 10.5t and my car isn't slow. Doesn't quite have the punch of the 6.5t's be its plenty for me. In fact I got better switching from a 6.5t to a 10.5t - too much motor never helps.

hotrodchris

26-12-2011, 01:22 PM

I run both the Orion 90c and the Nano Tech 65 to 130c batteries and even i notice the difference, in my 410V3 and thats being a very moderate club racer, whatever batteries you choose be aware they are all different weights so every time you swap cells it makes a slight difference to the way the car drivesso get 2 packs the same and even then put them on a set of scales to check the weights are the same, bit of overkill maybe but it all makes a difference with set up!:thumbsup:

thaiboxer

27-12-2011, 01:02 PM

Does any one of any good model shops open today the 27th

Andyp

27-12-2011, 01:20 PM

MB models are advertised as being open today (27th)

Nick

27-12-2011, 01:46 PM

Mb models are open in Leeds

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88729

Je Spares are open tomorrow

http://www.jespares.com/

both real good shops with great staf

Si Coe

27-12-2011, 01:51 PM

If you are impatient ironically its best to wait till tomorrow. JE Spares are local enough you can drive there, pick up the car and have it home well before somewhere you mail order from today.
Furthermore they have the B44.1, Lazer FS2 and Durango 410R (admittedly not the new version) in stock - so in 24 hours time you could be building one of them!

rondoolaa

27-12-2011, 02:34 PM

Does any one of any good model shops open today the 27th

http://www.actionmodelcentre.com/

av4625

27-12-2011, 02:58 PM

seems very mixed opinion wise !! has the b44 been around a while and is something about to replace it this year ??

The b44 has been out a long time they brought out a b44.1 nt to long ago
i had the standard b44 i did nt lik the car struggled with steering and basic handling it was sort of stable but nt fast i then saw a durango and bought it and boom :wub i loved it straight out of the box i got the first r version as it was only £190 but u need the front metal hanger but the v3 isnt very dear and a really good car wud strongly reconmend it!!! :thumbsup:

mattr

27-12-2011, 04:36 PM

Um, also just come back to 1/10th buggies after a 22 (ish) year break, and to be quite honest, there aren't any *bad* buggies, just cheap ones and expensive ones...... Anything mentioned up there will do it, B44.1, DEX410, FS2, SX3 and so on.

Biggest thing to get your head round will be brushless and LiPo. The basic, cheap, unsensored brushless motor in my RTR 2wd buggy makes the old modified motors look a bit silly. No maintenance, no running in, no "faffing" to get the brushes/comm sorted, it just goes. And it was a bit of an eye opener to say the least! :thumbsup:

The 6.5T in the 4wd (Fusion Exceed/DEX410R for what its worth) sends the buggy off like a missile, i've had to turn everything down to keep it controllable indoors. Outdoors is another matter altogether. Get the gearing wrong (or right) and it'll hit speeds that (back in the day) required playing with matched batteries, motors that could only be used for a few runs before a rebuild, smoking speed controllers and so on. Now its just pretty much plug and play.

Decide your budget, see what cars run at your local club (for spares, set up) and go for it. (5.5T will be mental!)

uijui

27-12-2011, 04:54 PM

B44.1/LRP or Nosram esc&motor (6.5-8.5)/Orion 90c/Ko Propo servo&radio can't go wrong! This is what I'm using :woot::woot:

rapidrubberwill

28-12-2011, 11:26 PM

what you want is a tamiya frog daz rubbings racing

reelman_fishing

29-12-2011, 09:36 AM

Plus 1 for Schumacher :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Back up is second to none. We run both cougar and cat sx3 without any problems this year, although we’ve only had the cat for 3 month’s it’s been super reliable. We use to run AE but the quality went down hill a couple of years ago.

TARTMAN

29-12-2011, 10:18 AM

I started back in the day with a subaru brat and "upgraded" it to a frog....... lol....................:D

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

what you want is a tamiya frog daz rubbings racing

GeordieBoyKel

29-12-2011, 10:30 PM

sx3 has to be one of the best out there at the minuet, very strong fast and reliable, and the parts back up is second to none

I have to agree with the parts backup but cannot give you an opinion concerning the sx3 as I don't own one. However, I have just bought the sx2 and my experience of the Schumacher Support is fantastic. I broke some parts when assembling the car and they explained where I went wrong and sent me some new parts free of charge! Very clued up helpful guys, just like BigRed here...

Kelvin

chickentikka25

30-12-2011, 10:07 AM

Big G

30-12-2011, 10:17 AM

I don't know if you're still deciding, but I wanted to throw in my 2p about the Schuey kit.

Quality of parts and manufacturing oozes from every pore, however, the design is mostly stupid, bordering on the ridiculous. Look at the diffs for example - antiquated, inefficient design.

Reliability is a little patchy too. However, when the diffs aren't trying to rebuild themselves, and the shocks can hold together, and the layshaft is not giving you woes, it's awesome. As Jeremy Clarkson said about Alfa's "it's as best as a car can be. Briefly".

Keep an eye on it, and it'll serve you well. Just don't break anything, it's flippin expensive!

what he said :blush:

My sx2 gave me some of my best results at the time, but it's reliability was shocking. Diffs, belts and layshafts frequently lunched themselves. I was sick of diffs undoing themselves and having to buy more parts and tools (those pliers to get the clip out) to fix that issue. Belts didn't last all that long and aren't cheap at all. I don't mind wearing things out from using them, but these things were costing me races.

The shocks didn't' give me any problems and worked really well. The car was great when it was running. Parts were very easy and quick to get hold off, but a little more pricey than other cars equivalent items.

RogerM

30-12-2011, 12:25 PM

I think there is a simple answer to the "best car" question ... get to the club you plan on racing at and see who runs what, look over the cars and most folks will let you have a go with theirs. From that pick the car based on the following (in this order)

1)Which felt the most natural for you to drive
2)Has the most 'quick' guys at the club running it (so you can get help and advice)
3)Seems the most reliable and user friendly after talking to people at your chosen track.
4)You like the look of.
5)You can get at a good price.

Just make sure that you try a Kyosho before going for anything else ;)

hotrodchris

30-12-2011, 12:32 PM

Kyosho=1/8th
Durango=1/10th

reg

30-12-2011, 01:13 PM

I had a cougar,it gave me the best results iv had so far with any car,but it let me down to much,some due to me crashing,and some for no reason,i was always spending money on it to keep it race worthy,i know this isnt the same for everone,i now have a Kyosho VEGA,im really looking forward to getting back outdoor,the few times i raced it outdoor before coming indoors for the winter were very good,because not many average joe`s run them it can be a little hard to get a setup nailed,iv just manged to do that,if my driving didnt let me down i would be in a better final as the car is more than capable,the car is very strong and reliable,so much so im going to be running a second class as i dont have to spend money on it:thumbsup:

BEST CAR.........KYOSHO VEGA:thumbsup: