COUGAR SV2

[johnboy]

http://www.rc-area.co.uk/2012/02/01/schumacher-cougar-sv2/

[racingdwarf]

About time they did somthing, first car was dredfull in all but the best hands:woot:. it will have to be a vast improvement to regain most club drivers confidence in the car. I hope its better I loved the look of the cougar,indoors I liked it and a british firm:thumbsup:. but got fed up with the constant spend and I never had the hours needed to get it set up:bored:......

[colmo]

http://www.rc-area.co.uk/2012/02/01/schumacher-cougar-sv2/

I saw Tom Cockerill testing something like this in Dublin in the Winter Race. It's a proven layout.

I think I'll call it...

"The Sventro" :thumbsup:

[wezzer]

lol @ "The Sventro"

[R666REW]

About time they did somthing, first car was dredfull in all but the best hands:woot:. it will have to be a vast improvement to regain most club drivers confidence in the car. I hope its better I loved the look of the cougar,indoors I liked it and a british firm:thumbsup:. but got fed up with the constant spend and I never had the hours needed to get it set up:bored:......

Speak for ur self the cougar sv is a great car and sv 2 will be good 2.

[racingdwarf]

Marmite, one hates & another loves:)

[R666REW]

so when u gonna order yours to add to the list u have in ur sig ?:lol:

[hazeandfizz]

Spot on, have loved running my cougar for the past 18 months, works so well on any surface. Looking forward to seeing the new SV2 in the flesh.

Speak for ur self the cougar sv is a great car and sv 2 will be good 2.

[gazhillAE]

lol @ "The Sventro"

Copy cats once again hey wez!
:thumbdown:

[cmgreen]

Cant wait for this! Love schumacher cars of late!

[colmo]

Copy cats once again hey wez!
:thumbdown:

Out of curiousity, was it Jonathan Clark that came up with the original S2 layout? If so, then the Centro, Sventro and Vega are all copies (the former being somewhat more official as Jonathan was involved).

Most of the 4wds and touring cars use more or less the same layout, it appears we've arrived at a similar point in 2wd mid-motor development. Nothing wrong with that, that's how it goes.

I will say this should be a very good car - Tom Cockerill was lightning quick with his prototype, though he had a Centro and Vega on his tail much of the way.

Main concerns are the turnbuckles and diff, hope they sort those out.

[wezzer]

dont get me wrong , i think it will be a great car :thumbsup: and there are only so many lay outs you can find in a 2wd mid motor car. its all good !

[spud31]

Wait for the 22 version lmao :o:o

[mattybucks]

I've just got off the phone to Schumacher, estimated release date 2-3 weeks. RRP for the Pro kit £259.99, although our price will be £245.99.

As soon as I get a more accurate release date i'll let you know.

[Cockerill]

The diff has been updated to HD, similar to the SX3 diffs. This should remove the majority of problems people had with the SV diff, as it did with the Sx2 > Sx3 diffs.

Gaz, I'd love to know which ideas we have copied, that haven't previously been tried by Schumacher. I'd also like to point out that as Schumacher are credited with making the ball diff, does that not mean every car that has one has copied Schumacher?

[simoncrabb]

*stuff Tom said*

:wub You're my favourite. :wub

[Disco-Panda]

Gaz, I'd love to know which ideas we have copied, that haven't previously been tried by Schumacher. I'd also like to point out that as Schumacher are credited with making the ball diff, does that not mean every car that has one has copied Schumacher?


At the end of the day the original concept of mid motor car wasnt it orginally started by Ellis and Kevin Lee? i do believe a few years ago kevin was running a modified XXX-CR that he made mid motor himself because i found Kevins original shell in my shed the other day and also remember Kevin running it at Stotfold.

[mattybucks]

What were the old Cougar Chassis made out of........metal :thumbsup:

The emergence of Mid Motor was around 2005/2006 from memory.

[Fozzie]

FAB 2000? Based on a Cougar??

[MattW]

Fact allert - there are very few entirely new ideas / concepts that we see in model cars these days. Mid motor is a long way from new, first one I saw I think was a version of the Cougar 2, and that must have been somewhere around 1992/1993 ish - and that had an alloy chassis as well ;)

[colmo]

I believe this is the first side-by-side saddle mid-motor to be available as a kit, requiring neither a donor chassis nor dremel work.

I'm still calling it the Sventro though!

Will there be some sort of S1 version? With the alloy chassis, there'd be less of a difference between the two, but handy to people wanting to upgrade their existing Cougar rather than sell the old one on.

[Robbiejuk]

I believe this is the first side-by-side saddle mid-motor to be available as a kit, requiring neither a donor chassis nor dremel work.
.

Ansmann X2C? :)

[Gonky]

Ansmann X2C? :)

Boom! :lol:

[mattybucks]

Boom! :lol:

as the cells go up.

[moth898]

I think the design is great, if you notice there are a couple of holes to change the weight distribution or battery placement. for those who don't like it show some poise and don't turn this into another brand bashing....really boring

[simoncrabb]

I've just got off the phone to Schumacher, estimated release date 2-3 weeks. RRP for the Pro kit £259.99, although our price will be £245.99.

As soon as I get a more accurate release date i'll let you know.

Mine's on order!!! Woo yeah woo!

But cos I'm not very special I have to wait to get one with the masses. :( Maybe they'll send me one of the first release review kits if I promise to do a cheesey video?... hint hint...

So yes, rcLazy have got some on order, and we'll do them for the same price as the lovely Telstar Matthew £245.99.

I'll also agree on no definite release date!

[colmo]

Boom! :lol:

I stand corrected!

[fidspeed]

IIRC as stated already Fabixx did a cougar 2000 mid motor and i think they also did an RC10 tub chassis one its along time ago so i stand to be corrected

Fid

[dale]

IIRC as stated already Fabixx did a cougar 2000 mid motor and i think they also did an RC10 tub chassis one its along time ago so i stand to be corrected

Fid

Ah yes, 'Mad' Mike Barton and his Fab2000 (Cougar based) and Fab10 (RC10 based).

Don't think they were very popular off-road, as at the time UK tracks were mostly grass so I guess rear motor was better.

But on-road (with foam tyres) and on carpet the Fab2000 was excellent, I remember Mike and a couple of others running them at Ashby back in the early 90s.

So really, everyone copied Mad Mike and should thank him for the current layout, even though it's took 18 years to truly catch on :thumbsup:

[Northy]

Wasn't the Tekin conversion for the RC10 before the Fab thing? :confused:

[DCM]

Tekin did indeed do a full mid motor conversion for the original RC10.

[Northy]

I've got one :)

[schmacher]

i need the new motor plate and gear cover for a project that i'm working on...like now :)

[OldTimer]

I've got one :)
Me to ;) still in its box to, was ahead of its time.

[autoxvw]

i need the new motor plate and gear cover for a project that i'm working on...like now :)
Might that be our joint project? :)
And just to add, (yes i could be wrong) but wasnt the optima mid the first production mid motor car?

[OldTimer]

optima mid was 4wd, one of my fav cars.

[racingdwarf]

mid 4wd, what about the cat short wheel base, mini mustang or the hotshot?:lol: 2wd the hornet...motor was in front of the rear axel, not sure if that improved the handeling tho!

[autoxvw]

optima mid was 4wd, one of my fav cars.
My bad. I knew that yeah.....I was just testing everyone :blush:

[R666REW]

Couple of pics of Grants car

http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad121/Rosswilliams1985/rc%20cars/IMG_1452.jpg

[R666REW]

http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad121/Rosswilliams1985/rc%20cars/IMG_1454.jpg

[R666REW]

http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad121/Rosswilliams1985/rc%20cars/IMG_1456.jpg

[hazeandfizz]

Very nice.

http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad121/Rosswilliams1985/rc%20cars/IMG_1454.jpg

[mikeyscott]

Ordered yours yet James? :thumbsup:

[hazeandfizz]

100%:thumbsup:

Ordered yours yet James? :thumbsup:

[schmacher]

yes auto it is...4mm graphite is on the way...taking universals from a kyosho ultima st to put in the truck
update...ultima st universals won't work..cross pin hole is in the wrong spot...gotta figure something else out...hey grant any chance you could order a motor plate and gear cover ? i'd pay you for them

[arransmith27]

The Kyosho Raider was mid motored (from 1988) :lol:

[ulrich]

http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad121/Rosswilliams1985/rc%20cars/IMG_1454.jpg

The front graphite plate on the rear shock mounting is longer in left side why? it seems it touch the motor plate.
Is front mounting of rear shocks still possible?

[schmacher]

i think it's just the angle of the car in that picture....it gives the appearance that one side is longer than the other

[Chrislong]

It looks amazing. Ought to be popular. :thumbsup:
I know if I didn't own a Centro already, id be buying this.

[mw02veg]

i think it's just the angle of the car in that picture....it gives the appearance that one side is longer than the other

No it's not the angle of the picture, that plate does go into the motor plate.

[ikey ji]

Has the Team developped the car in dirt conditions? Or have you focused the design for UK tracks (astro, carpet)?

[john333]

I know it's saddles and stumpy stick pack, but will it also take standard stick? didn't think so but just noticed the front lipo locator notches behind the servo??

[carter_213]

Can you use the old SV1 shell if you was to cut the spur gear cover part out?

[mw02veg]

I know it's saddles and stumpy stick pack, but will it also take standard stick? didn't think so but just noticed the front lipo locator notches behind the servo??

Sticks are no problem

[spud31]

I like v v posh
Mike is the rear camber link parallel at arms level ?

[mw02veg]

The rear camber plate is the same as before just the shape has changed to accomadate the new mounting position for the rear anti-roll bar.

[john333]

Sticks are no problem

Thanks mate :thumbsup:, not a mad dash to get saddles then before mine arrives :)

[davidmog99]

Can anyone tell me if schumacher manufacture most (or all, or any!) of their components in britain anymore.
not that it affects my choice, I WILL be buying one!:thumbsup:
I am just interested?

[paul kenealy]

At the end of the day the original concept of mid motor car wasnt it orginally started by Ellis and Kevin Lee? i do believe a few years ago kevin was running a modified XXX-CR that he made mid motor himself because i found Kevins original shell in my shed the other day and also remember Kevin running it at Stotfold.
the 1st mid car was the MRC mrx but did not hit off
http://www.rc10talk.com/download/file.php?id=50366

[colmo]

Has the Team developped the car in dirt conditions? Or have you focused the design for UK tracks (astro, carpet)?

Considering development was ongoing over the winter, and the only indoor dirt track in the UK closed a while back, I'd guess it's astro/carpet focused.

It may well work on dirt - with the saddles in place, and maybe a few weights either side to induce more weight transfer? You could take a few hints from the 22 and X6 - rear weight placement, lots of toe-in, that sort of thing. This design would allow a stubby lipo to be placed across the back of the car.

[reelman_fishing]

Gaz, I'd love to know which ideas we have copied, that haven't previously been tried by Schumacher. I'd also like to point out that as Schumacher are credited with making the ball diff, does that not mean every car that has one has copied Schumacher?[/QUOTE]


Tom, You can talk to a man with a wooden leg but not to a man with a wooden "head"

[mark christopher]

The front graphite plate on the rear shock mounting is longer in left side why? it seems it touch the motor plate.
Is front mounting of rear shocks still possible?

looks like it could be to allow the tower mounted forwards looks like towere goies into motor plate??
tom can you tell us?
http://www.rc-area.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cougar-sv2-3.jpg

[gainsy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkiSuLrbgIA

[Yachty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkiSuLrbgIA

Just watched this and wondered if it was posted seem like lots of controlled evolution to me exactly what you want in a new car. Saddle Packs as standard is great to for those with SX3.

[bigred5765]

Just watched this and wondered if it was posted seem like lots of controlled evolution to me exactly what you want in a new car. Saddle Packs as standard is great to for those with SX3.

it still takes stick and stumpy packs as well

[mark christopher]

it still takes stick and stumpy packs as well
well i would say any car that takes stick, will take a stumpy or saddle!!

[bigred5765]

glad you agree:)

[mark christopher]

glad you agree:)


:thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

You can mount The tower forward, mossy has it done on his at Worksop.

[schmacher]

thought mossy went to ansmann ?

[olefiloux]

(The kyosho Raider was born before the MRX, I had the first one in France)

This SV2 is really sexy...miam....

[mark christopher]

thought mossy went to ansmann ?
he did but now back at schumacher

[Ant]

The Mardave Apache was out before the Raider - and that was mid motored and had saddle packs (admittedly, on top of each other!)

[johnni boi]

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Showroom/Cougar_SV2.html

:thumbsup:

[ryan b]

The car looks great,good job schumacher :thumbsup:

[fastinfastout]

are they available now from schumacher, or is that a pre-order off their website?

[h0m3sy]

I called last week to order mine and was told 3 weeks.:(

[mattybucks]

I called Schumacher last week to place the shop order, 2-3 week wait. I'll pick them up on release day. RRP £259.99 althought we're doing it a bit cheaper than that:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Ritchie T]

Does anyone know how big the turnbuckle is in the middle?

[dpackster1980]

The Kyosho Raider was mid motored (from 1988) :lol:

I had one, it was my first car. All I can say about it was what a steaming pile of sh@t, it taught you sweet fa about racing the handling was none existant. :thumbdown:

[Benjy1]

Firstly is anyone in the know to if there will be a convertion kit and if so how much will it be?

If not can anyone list all the changes and parts that would have to be bought new to change a cougar SV into a cougar SV2?

:thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

for starters

NEW Hard anodised, laser etched, alloy chassis + 8mm longer. - Lower C of G, easier to drive.
NEW Heavy duty, big bearing differential - Small diameter, lightweight unit offering low rotating mass.
NEW 26 Piece red seal bearings - For longer bearing life.
NEW Larger transmission bearings - Strong and reliable.
NEW Interchangeable, CNC internal and external gears, with optional ratios - Optimise your gear ratios for all track conditions.
NEW Strengthened rear wheel - Stronger, but still with industry standard wheel fitment.
NEW Super strong steering levers, unique constant radius steering system - Offers true ackermann and linear steering response.
NEW UJ Driveshafts - Longer bone and shorter axle for more traction - With the ability to dissasemble.
NEW Easy to assmble, rigid wing mount system - Stronger, with less wing flex.
NEW Moulded gear cover - Better spur gear protection.
NEW Super cool Alloy motor plate - Larger surface area offers better cooling and rigidity.
NEW Sleek aerodynamic body and undertray design - New look and great functionality with minimum dirt pick up.
NEW Rear wishbones - Offers more lower position shock mounting options.
NEW Rear anti-roll bar - Better handling.
NEW High Tensile Steel Turnbuckles.
plus battery trays etc

[mattybucks]

Firstly is anyone in the know to if there will be a convertion kit and if so how much will it be?

If not can anyone list all the changes and parts that would have to be bought new to change a cougar SV into a cougar SV2?

:thumbsup:

If you go on to the Schumacher website and type in SV2 in the search box it'll come up with all the SV2 parts you would need. However at £229.99 for the kit you may as well buy a whole kit and sell you current car.

[dirk702]

Is there a known delivery date for this beautiful car ? :lol:
Tom Cockerill told me during the EIR @ Charleroi Belgium February 5, another 3 weeks wait for delivery ! :thumbsup:

[mattybucks]

Yeah, I was told 2-3 weeks last week. We're taking pre-orders £229.99 for the Pro kit, and we'll be picking them up on the release day from Schumacher.

[hansie]

Hello All,

Does anyone think it will be possible just to mount the new chassis
en the new top deck to the old gearbox?
The front end looks the same to me.
My old tranny is fine so i figured this would be a short cut to get
the new chassis.

Greetings

Hans

[squiggle]

Hi Does anyone know if the Cougar SV aluminium gearbox fits the Cougar SV 2 :confused:

[mark christopher]

Hi Does anyone know if the Cougar SV aluminium gearbox fits the Cougar SV 2 :confused:
as the new sv2 gear box has larger bearings i would say not, though the whole gearbox may

[squiggle]

Hi Does anyone know if the Cougar SV aluminium gearbox fits the Cougar SV 2 :confused:

[squiggle]

Sorry did not mean to send that question again....:confused:

Thanks i thought that really

[Ritchie T]

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/New_Cars_and_Parts/Cougar_SV2/U3991.html

[dirk702]

The Cougar SV2 instruction manual is on-line :thumbsup:


http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Showroom/Cougar_SV2.html

[trr061984]

Fact allert - there are very few entirely new ideas / concepts that we see in model cars these days. Mid motor is a long way from new, first one I saw I think was a version of the Cougar 2, and that must have been somewhere around 1992/1993 ish - and that had an alloy chassis as well ;)

Indeed it did. My first R/C car and did a fine job when I was starting out.

[Ritchie T]

Any news?

[h0m3sy]

I was on the phone with them this week Ritchie, told me next week but they said that last week too. :(

[john333]

this month....................

[Alan - South West RC]

We've been told next week, we are taking pre-orders like everyone else :thumbsup:

[MikePimlott]

At that price i may get 2 :o

:p

[Ritchie T]

:lol:

[Alan - South West RC]

At that price i may get 2 :o

:p

Price shown was the rrp from schumacher, having received further information and seen what everyone else is listing them for we have adjusted our price accordingly :p

[MikePimlott]

Price shown was the rrp from schumacher, having received further information and seen what everyone else is listing them for we have adjusted our price accordingly :p

I did mean the rrp Alan, it was nothing against yourselves.

[Deano577]

On order bring on the sv2

[Alan - South West RC]

I did mean the rrp Alan, it was nothing against yourselves.

No problem mate, I half thought that's what you meant.

[Ritchie T]

Schuey FB says shippin' to shops today.

[simon]

Hi,
Can you use stick packs with the new SV2?

[h0m3sy]

Yes, but you will need one of these....

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/New_Cars_and_Parts/Cougar_SV2/U4029.html

:thumbsup:

[Deano577]

And maybe one of these

U4047 Stick Pack Conversion Set - Cougar SV2 * In Stock

[DCM]

Mines on its way, phoned Schumacher this afternoon!

[john333]

And mine :thumbsup:

[big smithy]

And mine :thumbsup:
building mine now looks ace :woot:

[mark christopher]

And maybe one of these

U4047 Stick Pack Conversion Set - Cougar SV2 * In Stock

Tom told me that the saddle layout is easier to drive.

[h0m3sy]

Hurry up Mr Postman....:thumbsup:

[john333]

Hurry up Mr Postman....:thumbsup:

Tell me about it :lol: keep looking out the window when I hear an engine :drool:

[john333]

building mine now looks ace :woot:

So you get your new car first, and you get an early entry to the oOple race.................you lucky, lucky git :p:lol:

[hazeandfizz]

1st few bolts in, very impressed with the quality so far.

James.

[MikePimlott]

1st few bolts in, very impressed with the quality so far.

James.

Crack on then, we want pictures.

[john333]

Woo hoo!!!!!! mines just arrived! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[styleone]

I am currently pacing up and down with a victory cigar at the ready like an expectant new Father in a maternity ward!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

It is going to be epic, I am so honoured to be running and reviewing this chassis this season...come on posty :eh?:

[Deano577]

Got mine now but away with work roll on tomorrow night couger power

[h0m3sy]

I am currently pacing up and down with a victory cigar at the ready like an expectant new Father in a maternity ward!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Classic :lol::lol::lol:

Still no sign of mines either. I found out it's UPS that's delivering it, they always take 2 days to deliver over here, so looks like I will have to wait:bored:

[styleone]

Classic :lol::lol::lol:

Still no sign of mines either. I found out it's UPS that's delivering it, they always take 2 days to deliver over here, so looks like I will have to wait:bored:


Stay strong mate...the wait is nearly over :thumbsup:

[DCM]

Mine was here this morning, mid shell painting!!

[mark christopher]

mine on its way :thumbsup:

[john333]

Just finished building mine, what a joy to do :thumbsup:

[hazeandfizz]

Started a new thread in the Schumacher forum for SV2 builds.

James.

[h0m3sy]

Stay strong mate...the wait is nearly over :thumbsup:

The wait is over, the SV2 has landed! :thumbsup::D