Saturday 10/03/12 Emergency Meeting

[woOdy]

Minutes for BRCA North-West Region 10/03/2012
Present: Stuart Wood - North-West BRCA Rep, Roger Wood - Bury Metro Buggy Club Sec, Simon Larkin - Southport Chairman, Stuart Jones - South Lakes Chairman

Appologies: Stephen Lawson - Batley Chairman


Confirmed dates - see Oople for any updates:

22nd April - Southport 2wd
6th May - Bury 4wd
20th May - South Lakes 2wd
24th June - Bury 2wd
8th July - Southport 4wd
19th Aug - South Lakes 4wd

We are going to look for another Club/track that will hold another 2 dates for a 2wd and 4wd race also and we are in talks with NNRC, PRCC and Mould.
This will be confirmed at a later date.

Pre-booking - Carl Latham has offered to organise and control a central booking system but this needs to be confirmed with Carl. We can not afford to pay Carl but we can give him FOC racing for the Region. We will be looking into payment before the meeting and a closing date of the Monday before the event at 12 midnight. If a driver cancels before the closing date they will receive a full refund but after the closing date they will not. PayPal and Sage pay to be looked into by Stu Wood. If a driver wants to pay CASH then the driver has to pay there own club before the closing date. Once again, things to be confirmed.

Marshals - ALL must wear a bib provided by the club holding the event and this is COMPULSARY!!!!!!! Penalties to be given if not worn!!!!!This is a MUST.
We are also going to trial a new referee system and it is down to the mashals to watch over the track and the drivers conduct on the rostrum. After the race 'IF' there has been any issues then the marshal comes to a designated person from the club to report. Also, if drivers have issues with the marshals, please report to designated person on the day.

Scrutineering - We are bringing back this due to controlling the turn around time of drivers to marshals.
After the driver finishes there race, they put there car into Scrutineering and then go straight to marshal. After they marshal, collect cars and go back to pits.
Scrutineering will follow guidlines to BRCA rules.

Trophies - We are going to have one BIG trophy per class for the winner of the series to allow there names to be put onto the trophy to keep for 12 months and given back.
Also trophies for 1st,2nd and 3rd place for each class and a 1st place trophy for the under 16's in each class to keep. This is to be organised by Simon Larkin of Southport Club.

Also I have organised for the highest UNSPONSORED driver in each class to receive a 'B' Drive off Horizon Hobbies for the following year and for the top UNSPONSORED driver in the under 16's.
I have organised raffle prizes for each round from CML, RC Disco and HPI. This might not be much but its more than we could of thought.


Thanks
Stu Wood
North West BRCA Rep

[Chrislong]

Good work Stu, Carl and clubs involved. Looks very possitive :thumbsup:

[TonyM]

Well done guys - looking very positive for the new season.

[mikeyscott]

I know it's not my region, but the top unsponsored driver aspect is a brilliant idea!

[cwp]

Everthing else is great news but I'm not happy with only getting three meeting for one class,as I only have 2 wd..

[burgie]

Why reinvent the wheel regards booking in?

Central Booking in exists already, so why not use that?

[MikePimlott]

Great News Woody,

Well done all involved. And thank you.

[footey]

is it all 3 to count for the series

[MikePimlott]

Why reinvent the wheel regards booking in?

Central Booking in exists already, so why not use that?

With the new format of 2wd and 4wd on seperate days i dont think pre booking is necessary!

The over subscription problem has been resolved. :thumbsup:

[woOdy]

Just to clarify what I have put at the top.
We will be having a central booking system.Not open yet as it is only 2 days old.
We will be seperating 2wd and 4wd.
I am looking for another track to hold another round due to Batley dropping out.

The first round at Southport has already got alot of bookings for 2wd but if you are booked in 4wd then this is not going to happen.
If you wish to change your booking to 2wd then please contact the club.
Hopefully after the first round the central booking will be live. You will pay on the day of the first round only.

I do apologise for all of this but it is very late in the year already and yes this should of been done already.

Thanks
Stu

[woOdy]

is it all 3 to count for the series

All depends on if I can get another club to run a round mate.

[woOdy]

With the new format of 2wd and 4wd on seperate days i dont think pre booking is necessary!

The over subscription problem has been resolved. :thumbsup:

You would think this Mike but Southport have 9 heats pre booked of 2wd so who knows what will happen.

[budfish]

is it all 3 to count for the series

I hope not I only race 4wd and I'm away for one of the dates:cry:

There's a moral to this story "be carefull what you wish for":mad:

[Oscar]

I am looking for another track to hold another round due to Batley dropping out.
Thanks
Stu

Stu, will the region be in a position to confirm this and also the new date, prior to the first round?

I ask as the location and the date may be an important factor for anyone who is thinking of committing to the series.

[DanW]

Good work on grabbing the bull by the horns and trying to sort the regional scenario out. But I don't think the outcome is so positive. Its only my personal opinion, and whatever gets decided will (especially at short notice) will always upset half of the people, its a bit of a no win situation.

:thumbsup: What I think is good is pre-booking, pre-payment and no refunds for no shows.

However on the negative side.... looking at round one pre entries only about 40% of drivers enter both classes and about 60% of drivers enter a single class only.

:thumbdown: So some of the 2-class drivers (40% of entires) get an easier day with more relaxed timescale and better availibilty. But on the flip side the single class drivers (that account for 60% of entries) get their series slashed from 6 meetings to 3 ???

It seems the majority are losing out here?

As I say just my opinion, and maybe the new schedule will encourage more people to do 2 classes etc.

[woOdy]

Good work on grabbing the bull by the horns and trying to sort the regional scenario out. But I don't think the outcome is so positive. Its only my personal opinion, and whatever gets decided will (especially at short notice) will always upset half of the people, its a bit of a no win situation.

:thumbsup: What I think is good is pre-booking, pre-payment and no refunds for no shows.

However on the negative side.... looking at round one pre entries only about 40% of drivers enter both classes and about 60% of drivers enter a single class only.

:thumbdown: So some of the 2-class drivers (40% of entires) get an easier day with more relaxed timescale and better availibilty. But on the flip side the single class drivers (that account for 60% of entries) get their series slashed from 6 meetings to 3 ???

It seems the majority are losing out here?

As I say just my opinion, and maybe the new schedule will encourage more people to do 2 classes etc.

Yes totally Dan but if you take me for an example, I dont run 2 classes in one day. I will be doing both classes now so there is more drivers already. How many other drivers only race one class per day?
Also you have to think of the big series you have at Southport as a club and I dont want to effect that in any way so the dates are very slim and I can only do so much.
Like I have already said, I am trying to find other clubs which will hold an event but this all takes time and I will get there. Promise.:thumbsup:

[DanW]

Yes totally Dan but if you take me for an example, I dont run 2 classes in one day. I will be doing both classes now so there is more drivers already. How many other drivers only race one class per day?
Also you have to think of the big series you have at Southport as a club and I dont want to effect that in any way so the dates are very slim and I can only do so much.
Like I have already said, I am trying to find other clubs which will hold an event but this all takes time and I will get there. Promise.:thumbsup:

Stu - It was just my 2p worth. Getting the clubs around a table and getting some oranisation in place is a big step forward. With regards the format I fully appreciate that you are in a complete no win situation, too many drivers, not enough clubs, not enough dates in the year.

Squeezing an extra round of each in might make all the difference and as you say more drivers may now do both classes.

Only time will tell :p

[Si Coe]

If you can't get another club for the two extra dates would it not make the most sense to give Southport say an extra 2wd meet, and Bury an extra 4wd just to make the 8 (4x2) meetings.
That way you can set dates for those rounds and let people know they will happen, and we can just alter the venue if someone else wants to come onboard.


Basically I like the decision. Its not ideal, but the fact is you can't please everyone. What it most definitely is is clear evidence that things are moving and changes being made and that is great news already.

Now having said I wasn't going to race do I book in for Southport 2wd or not?????

[MikePimlott]

I was thinking the same about a 4th venue Si but draw the names out if a hat for which club gets an extra 2WD and an extra 4WD round.

[sly]

Me and stu are on the case with a 4th venue, I'm going tomorrow to visit one.

[Evo_Snr]

Bookings so far for Round 1
If your not on the list and want to book in then email :-
[email protected] also if you are on the list and not doing the meeting then please let us know before the event.
Bookings for Round 1 2wd Northwest Regional 22/04/2012
1. Chris Evison
2. Matthew Latham
3. Joel Maher
4. Codi Jones
5. Simon Larkin
6. Allister Sharp
7. Stuart Jones
8. Scott Walker
9. Stuart Evans
10. Philip Brown
11. Nick Caro
12. Alan Reeves
13. Colin May
14. Paul James Crawford
15. Andrew Rochell (un-booked 3/4/12)
16. Tony Mulligan
17. Aidan Burke
18. Tommy Tansley
19. John Nolan
20. Nick Cox
21. James Dean
22. Richard Dean
23. Harry Sayle
24. James Burgess
25. Chris Cherry
26. Rob McLaurin
27. Steve Connolly
28. Danny Cross
29. Tim Rawcliffe
30. Ian Joyner
31. Adam Perei
32. Wayne Perei
33. Steven Ball
34. Wesley Davis
35. Andy Newbound
36. Richard Dewhurst
37. Mark Sutcliffe
38. Chris Sutcliffe
39. James McFadyean(un-booked 19/3/12 now doing NE)
40. Isaac McFadyean (un-booked 19/3/12 now doing NE)
41. Howard Walden
42. Lee Chorley
43. John Kirkman
44. Derek Mclarney
45. Conner Cocker
46. Robert Brazendale
47. Rob Stanway
48. Matthew Bateson
49. James Hirst (un-booked 17/3/12 now doing NE)
50. Jack Hirst ( un-booked 17/3/12 Now doing NE)
51. Tony Parr
52. Ashley Fensom
53. Terry Fensom
54. Dan Webster
55. Tom Gutteridge
56. Andy Shillito (unbooked 15/3/12 now doing NE)
57. Lee Washington
58. Chris Taylor
59. Gareth Morgan
60. Reece Costello
61. James Dixon
62. Luke Holdsworth
63. Josh Holdsworth
64. Shane Foot
65. Len Foot
66. John Price
67. Kevin Hodkinson
68. Stuart Hurley
69. James Wilkinson
70. Carl Greenbank
71. Gary Ennis
72. Craig Flynn
73. Tom Pattison
74. Ian Pattison
75. Stuart Wood
76. Tim Clark
77. Andy Grason
78. Isaac Peel
79. Lee Fraser(un-booked 25/3/12 now doing NE)
80. John Clements
81. Mike Pimlott
82. Barry Drinkwater (un-booked 1/4/12)
83. Chris Donelly
84. Colin Gill (un-booked 19/3/12 now doing NE)
85. Thomas Gill (un-booked 19/3/12 now doing NE)
86. Steve Cockerell (un-booked 19/3/12 now doing NE)
87. Stephen Dewhurst
88. Mike Bradbury
89. Guy Dickinson
90. Aaron Leven
91. Neil Worsley
92. Darren Wales
93. Gavin Lloyd-Jones
94. Donald Lloyd-Jones
95. Mark Smith
96. Lloyd Hughes
97. Will Birkin.
98. Mark Steel Snr
99. Anthony Steel
100. Dean Washington
101. Graham North
102.Chris Burgess
103.Chris Robinson
104.Wayne Stockbridge
105. Tim McQueen
106. Lee Holden
107. Dave Scouse
108. Paul Smith
109. Chris Douglas
110.Les Pearce
111.Phil Tennant
112. Rob Mills
Total Bookings so far = 101
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[burgie]

Aren't PRCC and Mould 1/8th clubs? Who is NNRC? I don't recognise those initials?

[DanW]

Aren't PRCC and Mould 1/8th clubs? Who is NNRC? I don't recognise those initials?

1/8th Nitro track in Krkham... http://www.nnrc.info/

[losichris]

didnt the NW series only consist of southport and bury a few years back, can they not take another date each? so its going to be best 2 of 4 rounds to count :eh?:

[MikePimlott]

Aren't PRCC and Mould 1/8th clubs? Who is NNRC? I don't recognise those initials?

NNRC is a 8th scale purpose built astro track, maybe bit big for 10th but theres tonnes of options for track layout

PRCC again is 8th but they have an astro track and a grass track. Maybe a small layout on the grass or again lay a 10th friendly layout on the astro

Im not sure about Mold mate.

[burgie]

Thanks Mike - I am not sure about 1/10 on 1/8th tracks, but willing to give it a try if a round happens to be at one of those tracks.

[Ian_lawton]

is there still a club in pendle? http://www.pdmcc.co.uk/ again i know this is 1/8th just giving you another option :)

[MikePimlott]

Thanks Mike - I am not sure about 1/10 on 1/8th tracks, but willing to give it a try if a round happens to be at one of those tracks.

We did it in the Mid West at stoke nitro and it worked quite well.

FTQ was only 8 laps though, lol. (joke)

[woOdy]

Already on the case guys with all above. I am 1 step a head. :woot:

[birdy]

NNRC is a 8th scale purpose built astro track, maybe bit big for 10th but theres tonnes of options for track layout

PRCC again is 8th but they have an astro track and a grass track. Maybe a small layout on the grass or again lay a 10th friendly layout on the astro

Im not sure about Mold mate.


NNRC are starting a fresh with the track and astro through April, at the last AGM at NNRC they were keen to make the track work for both 10th & 8th with a number of different layout options.

Am sure Stu is talking to them.

[sly]

Already on the case guys with all above. I am 1 step a head. :woot:
I`ll be going tomorrow night with my mini8 to see if the 4th venue is suitable for us lot to play toy cars on.:thumbsup:

[Evo_Snr]

We did it in the Mid West at stoke nitro and it worked quite well.

FTQ was only 8 laps though, lol. (joke)

What's this "WE" :p:p

[pugboy]

What's this "WE" :p:p

The defectors/traitors, whatever you want to call 'us':thumbsup:

[MikePimlott]

The defectors/traitors, whatever you want to call 'us':thumbsup:

"the defectors" is that our clan name :lol:

[scotty_big_flip]

FRCC mite just end up hosting 2 rounds...
.... Watch this space ;)

[woOdy]

I have just had confirmation that Barrow-in-furness will be holding a round of each 2wd and 4wd.
They will be having 4wd on 17th June and 2wd on 9th September.:thumbsup:
Welcome to the North West FRCC.:thumbsup:

[MikePimlott]

Cool :thumbsup:

Is there any information on the new venue ?
The website doesnt give much away

[woOdy]

Cool :thumbsup:

Is there any information on the new venue ?
The website doesnt give much away

Its all BRAND new and I am sure the club will be telling you all about it very soon.:thumbsup:

[pugboy]

Great news, well done lads!:thumbsup:

[Northy]

How many to count Woody? :confused:

[WHITTLER555]

Hi, just wondering if its possible to run a Regional after the BRC End of year Finals on the 1/2 September?

[sly]

Hi, just wondering if its possible to run a Regional after the BRC End of year Finals on the 1/2 September?


The F3,4,5`s are 15th/16th at Southport,

[DanW]

I have just had confirmation that Barrow-in-furness will be holding a round of each 2wd and 4wd.
They will be having 4wd on 17th June and 2wd on 9th September.:thumbsup:
Welcome to the North West FRCC.:thumbsup:


More clubs invloved :thumbsup:

It might be a long drive for some, but geograhpically its definately NW region :thumbsup:

Good for the region and I expect its also good for the Barrow club.

[scotty_big_flip]

we will be using some of slmcc's set up. going to be an all grass track with jumps e.t.c. i will try and get down the venue tomorow and get some pics for yall to have a look at. we mostley run indoor so this will be our first time running an outdoor meeting.

[Stu]

The F3,4,5`s are 15th/16th at Southport,

I think Damo was referring to the BRC, rather than the F345's.

[WHITTLER555]

Yes BRC, F2's, Veterans and Juniors at Broxtowe, the last Barrow Regional would take place after that event?

[WHITTLER555]

Sorry guys, the following rule has been taken from the 2011 handbook off the BRCA website:

4.9 Regional Reps. together with the Regions‟ Clubs, will organise a Regional Championship Series for
each Region. The results of these Championships will be used as entry qualification for: The Jnr. & Vet.
Championships, Inter-Regional F2 and F3/F4/F5 Championships.

Therefore the date will have to be before the F2's at Broxtowe.

[Paulmc]

we are holding 2 rounds and as stated we are brand new so maybe within a few week we will be getting together at the venue to try track layouts and practice runs
we wont be releising much on here for a few weeks ( pics and info as we have a lot to do) so please be patient and we will have lots of info and pics for u all :thumbsup:

[RAW]

Sorry guys, the following rule has been taken from the 2011 handbook off the BRCA website:

4.9 Regional Reps. together with the Regions‟ Clubs, will organise a Regional Championship Series for
each Region. The results of these Championships will be used as entry qualification for: The Jnr. & Vet.
Championships, Inter-Regional F2 and F3/F4/F5 Championships.

Therefore the date will have to be before the F2's at Broxtowe.

This must mean the following year though.

As if someone was an F3 and they qualified as an F2 on the last round (before the BRC) it doesnt mean they can then Enter the F2s similiary it won't exclude them for the F3,4,5s.

If you start the season as an F3 for example, you would stay as an F3 till the end of that season. I could be worng, that's how I've always understood it.

[Northy]

This must mean the following year though.

As if someone was an F3 and they qualified as an F2 on the last round (before the BRC) it doesnt mean they can then Enter the F2s similiary it won't exclude them for the F3,4,5s.

If you start the season as an F3 for example, you would stay as an F3 till the end of that season. I could be worng, that's how I've always understood it.

You don't qualify by your "next years" license grade. You gain eligibility to race in the event based on the grade you are this year, so if you are an F2 this year, you can't do the F3's this year, even if you are last in the regional championship!

By qualify I think it means if the region get awarded 10 places, then they should be offered to the top 10 in the region (who want to go). If the championship is not over yet then that is obviously difficult to do :woot: The F2's/Vets is usually a VERY popular event, so there has to be a means of deciding who goes.

That btw is *my* understanding and not an official response from the BRCA (despite my sig).

[Si Coe]

Surely by the last round we should have a pretty good idea who might be eligible anyway.
And remember now the classes have been split at least one class will have finished its season.

[WHITTLER555]

The problem is Si Coe that some people may be qualifying in one class and if they don't finish the series before the F2 event then how do they qualify?

Northy is correct in that each region has been given ten places for each class for the F2 end of year finals.

This event has been oversubscribed for the last three years and due to the increase in Juniors and Veterans there are only around 80 places available out of 120 which is way less than 10 per region.

This quote from the BRCA Handbook is the salient point:

The results of these Championships will be used as entry qualification for: The Jnr. & Vet.
Championships, Inter-Regional F2 and F3/F4/F5 Championships.

Its pretty clear that you HAVE to qualify in the 2012 Regional Championship to gain a place at the F2 Finals in Broxtowe, therefore you have to have completed the Regional Series by then.

Sorry, not my rules, but surely the date can be changed by Barrow in Furness to accommodate?

[woOdy]

Sorry my bad!
Stu Evans and Damo are 100% correct as I didnt even think of that.

Date has now changed to the 29th of July.

Sorry guys!
Still learning

[WHITTLER555]

Erm Woody, that would be the same weekend as the Oople Invernational 2012.

Not sure you're going to get many drivers up to Barrow as we have invited quite a few to Oople!

Ps. I think you have an invite?

[sly]

Erm Woody, that would be the same weekend as the Oople Invernational 2012.

Not sure you're going to get many drivers up to Barrow as we have invited quite a few to Oople!

Ps. I think you have an invite?

Shhh that's more points for me.:thumbsup:

[budfish]

Shhh that's more points for me.:thumbsup:

And me by the looks of things just think if there's only 10 drivers I might just make the a final!!!:thumbsup:

[woOdy]

Erm Woody, that would be the same weekend as the Oople Invernational 2012.

Not sure you're going to get many drivers up to Barrow as we have invited quite a few to Oople!

Ps. I think you have an invite?

You know what, I am rushing to much to get this all sorted for you all and not thinking!
I will organise it all over the weekend and get back to you all.:mad:

[MikePimlott]

You know what, I am rushing to much to get this all sorted for you all and not thinking!
I will organise it all over the weekend and get back to you all.:mad:

Just take a step back have another look at the calender, all will become clear :thumbsup:

[jenski]

You know what, I am rushing to much to get this all sorted for you all and not thinking!
I will organise it all over the weekend and get back to you all.:mad:

Good plan, as all of the South lakes member will be attending one of our big exhibition shows we attend each year over that weekend.

I'm sure you will be able to find a date to fit :thumbsup:

[gazhillAE]

Any ideas on new date yet stu?
And also how many rounds are to count?

Cheers gaz

[Chrislong]

I think there is something in the handbook about number of rounds drop based on number of rounds held... I just can't locate it! sorry.:blush: so I might be wrong, or it may be an old rule now gone which I recall.

[Evo_Snr]

I think there is something in the handbook about number of rounds drop based on number of rounds held... I just can't locate it! sorry.:blush: so I might be wrong, or it may be an old rule now gone which I recall.
It is my understanding the rounds to count is half the number of rounds in the series plus one rounded down if it is 1/2 number

A 6 round series would be 3 + 1 = 4 to count.
A 5 round series would be 2.5 + 1 = 3.5 rounded down would be 3 to count.
A 4 round series would be 2 + 1 = 3 to count.

[WHITTLER555]

So, according to Furness Radio Car Clubs website, the dates for the Regionals are:

4WD - 17th June

2WD - 22nd July

Please could you confirm this Woody so i can sort my social life out:woot::thumbsup:

[woOdy]

So, according to Furness Radio Car Clubs website, the dates for the Regionals are:

4WD - 17th June

2WD - 22nd July

Please could you confirm this Woody so i can sort my social life out:woot::thumbsup:

Yes this is now correct.

3 rounds to count from 4 in each class.