Orion R10 / settings - which motor etc.

[andys]

I'm moving from my LRP sphere's (of varying specs) to the Orion speedos.

I need some advise (please don't tell me to buy a SP / hobbywing instead !!!)


Ok - I run the V3 sp motors, but im not quick enough on the straight. Hence I want a speedo with some of this boost / timing voodoo to increase the top end.

Running a 7.5 in my Durango 210, will the speedo setting allow me to 'boost the timing' on the straights ok, or should I look to a different motor make - I've always felt the SP v3's were slow ?

[RogerM]

Can't beat the Orion motors IMHO .... definitely quicker and smoother than the SPs I ran before!!

[cornishboy176]

I run the R10 Pro in my 210 with an Orca 6.5t and i have turned everything right down as you dont really need it,it is a brilliant speedo

What Spur/Pinion are you running?

[Adam F]

I would go with either an Orion or Orca 7.5 or 8.5....

I have recently gone to 8.5 in my 2wd and its made me much more consistent and therefore quicker, but its still very quick down the straights..

Inside line had some cracking deals on the orca's and sell orion too, not much to choose between then with regards to performance IMHO but the orion's do look very nice indeed. (and I for one like to have matching kit)

On a side note, the R10's are just fantastic... :thumbsup:

[andys]

I run the R10 Pro in my 210 with an Orca 6.5t and i have turned everything right down as you dont really need it,it is a brilliant speedo

What Spur/Pinion are you running?

In my 210 I was running kit spur and a 26 pinion on a SP 7.5.
Car was good but not fast !

[hotrodchris]

In my 210 I run a !/2S R10 with a 7.5 Orion VST motor gearing 78/25 ballistic on a long High Grip Astro straight some people with 6.5 sp motors cannot stay with me on the straight but need to wind the punch up for out of the corners!

[deepdale11]

On a side note, the R10's are just fantastic... :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

Is it REALLLLLY necessary to buy the program box as its so expensive:thumbdown:

[andys]

In my 210 I run a !/2S R10 with a 7.5 Orion VST motor gearing 78/25 ballistic on a long High Grip Astro straight some people with 6.5 sp motors cannot stay with me on the straight but need to wind the punch up for out of the corners!

Sounds good :)
Im going to go for the Orion motors - to match :)

Is there much difference between the 120 amp R10 and the 160 version ?

[hotrodchris]

Either JE or MD have a deal on a combo ESC and program box at the minute i believe but it is worth having!:thumbsup:
Iv'e got the 120 in the 2wd and 160 in the 4wd mainly just for the extra room, the 120 doesn't have a fan but iv'e not found them to run hot enough to need one though!:thumbsup:

[mikeyscott]

I run an Orion R10 in both my cars

Orion R10, 6.5 Orion, FS2
Orion R10, 8.5 Orion, Vega RB5 - had my best runs recently with the 8.5

[andys]

Either JE or MD have a deal on a combo ESC and program box at the minute i believe but it is worth having!:thumbsup:
Iv'e got the 120 in the 2wd and 160 in the 4wd mainly just for the extra room, the 120 doesn't have a fan but iv'e not found them to run hot enough to need one though!:thumbsup:

Extra room ? Can you elaborate :)

So, I won't need a fan in 4wd - winner :)

[hotrodchris]

The 210 has less room than the 410 with a standard shell on so it keeps the height down with no fan plus run a smaller turn motor in it as well, but both are the same price so if you have the room in your kit go for the 160amp!

[jayst]

i have 210 in rear config with a 9.5 x12 24/87 with 90a esc and a 210 in mid with 8.5 x12 24/87 with 120a esc. as ive gone away from lrp esc's myself . plus u dont need to run a fan and the motors come of just warm after 6 mins .

[hotrodchris]

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=98523

Link to JE for speedo / program box combo or see their shop section?

[andys]

Thanks everyone for the info - really usefull :)

I'm picking up my Orion stuff tomorrow from MB - looks like a good choice from the comments, looking forward to seeing how it goes compared to my old LRP stuff.

[jayst]

there are really good m8 , u wont be disappointed . only tried my first 1 , 2 weeks ago . love em

[andys]

Double post - oops

[andys]

Picked up my speedo / motors.

Couple of questions :

1_What's the little lead for, that has a sensor wire plug on one end and a standard radio plug on the other ?

2_In my Durango 210 - with an Orion 7.5 motor, what settings would be good for the boost stuff, to simply get a bit more speed when on the straight ?

Cheers.

[Big paul]

Bye the way the Orion r10 is made by Hobbywing.

[Matt Butcher]

Picked up my speedo / motors.

Couple of questions :

1_What's the little lead for, that has a sensor wire plug on one end and a standard radio plug on the other ?



Cheers.

It is needed to plug the programmer into

[cornishboy176]

In my Durango 210 - with an Orion 7.5 motor, what settings would be good for the boost stuff, to simply get a bit more speed when on the straight ?


I promise you,you wont need it,it will be like a missile down the straight as it is,

The turbo settings are mainly for the stock classes etc etc

[Gayo]

with an Orion 7.5 motor, what settings would be good for the boost stuff, to simply get a bit more speed when on the straight ?



If you need more overall power, add boost. If you need only top end for the straights, add some turbo.
When using boost/turbo, you need to use a slightly shorter ratio (smaller pinion) even if you are looking for more top end.

[andys]

Anyone have / know of a link to - pictures of an R10 install in a Durango 210 - looks tight and can't decide best place to put it !

[cornishboy176]

Here you go,take a look,fits nicely :thumbsup:

[andys]

Cheers fella.

I noticed you have removed a bit of the sidepod material for the switch - I was thinking of doing the same :)

Did you have to remove any plastic for the capacitors - mine don't quite fit flat on as you have them ?

[cornishboy176]

I haven't cut anything away for the capacitor it fits nice and tight,I only cut away for the switch

[jayst]

ive put the switch ontop of the capaciter

[hotrodchris]

Mines similar except i have the speedo right at the back and the cap fits in front nicely!:thumbsup:

[cornishboy176]

Mines similar except i have the speedo right at the back and the cap fits in front nicely!:thumbsup:


It all fits quite nicely actually

[andys]

Got it in, but can't help thinking I should have put it on the other side and trailed the wires across !

http://andrewshillito.com/oople/orion.jpg

[andys]

After reading LOTS of Orion R10 posts, I still don't know what some of the settings mean, or how to use them. Can someone please explain these in simple English :)



9: Boost Timing
10: Turbo Slope
11: Overheat Protection (ok I understand this one !!!!)
12: Turbo Timing
14: Turbo Delay

[cornishboy176]

After reading LOTS of Orion R10 posts, I still don't know what some of the settings mean, or how to use them. Can someone please explain these in simple English :)



9: Boost Timing
10: Turbo Slope
11: Overheat Protection (ok I understand this one !!!!)
12: Turbo Timing
14: Turbo Delay

try this but like i said these settings are more for the stock classes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyvuFPhm9j8

[RogerM]

Not necessarily ... I uses lots of turbo adjustments (in combination with reduced boost adjustments) to help shape the torque curve with motors upto 5.5

[andys]

try this but like i said these settings are more for the stock classes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyvuFPhm9j8

Yep, I've watched that video, but he skims over the settings and does a bad job of explaining the ones he does mention !

I'm still unsure of what I'd change to get normal service in the infield and the extra timing kick in on the straight... Is this the 'turbo' or the 'boost' I need to change - and why ?

[MarkLeeds]

After reading LOTS of Orion R10 posts, I still don't know what some of the settings mean, or how to use them. Can someone please explain these in simple English :)



9: Boost Timing
10: Turbo Slope
11: Overheat Protection (ok I understand this one !!!!)
12: Turbo Timing
14: Turbo Delay

I had the same problem so emailed team Orion and below us what they had to say.
Hi,
*
Yes it is a little complicated but it’s what you need to have today to have a top performance ESC.
*
So the Boost Timing is the timing that is always applied, it’s the same as adding timing mechanically on the motor. All motors have some timing built inside them even if the notch on the motor says 0°. Usually motors have 15° or more built-in and some manufacturers cheat with this and put 30° or more so that you think the motor is super fast but in fact it’s already at max timing when you buy it… That’s why we set it a 0° so that we are sure you don’t burn your motors if they have crazy timings built into them already.
*
Turbo timing is extra timing that is added when at full throttle, it will give extra performance down the straight, etc.
*
Turbo slope rate sets how turbo timing is applied, basically x degrees of timing added every 0.1 second the ESC is at full throttle.
*
Turbo delay sets after how much time at full throttle before Turbo timing starts to be applied (at the rate defined by the turbo slope rate).
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Makes it a bit clearer, for me anyway:thumbsup:

[andys]

I had the same problem so emailed team Orion and below us what they had to say.
Hi,
*
Yes it is a little complicated but it’s what you need to have today to have a top performance ESC.
*
So the Boost Timing is the timing that is always applied, it’s the same as adding timing mechanically on the motor. All motors have some timing built inside them even if the notch on the motor says 0°. Usually motors have 15° or more built-in and some manufacturers cheat with this and put 30° or more so that you think the motor is super fast but in fact it’s already at max timing when you buy it… That’s why we set it a 0° so that we are sure you don’t burn your motors if they have crazy timings built into them already.
*
Turbo timing is extra timing that is added when at full throttle, it will give extra performance down the straight, etc.
*
Turbo slope rate sets how turbo timing is applied, basically x degrees of timing added every 0.1 second the ESC is at full throttle.
*
Turbo delay sets after how much time at full throttle before Turbo timing starts to be applied (at the rate defined by the turbo slope rate).
*
Makes it a bit clearer, for me anyway:thumbsup:

Thankyou so much :)
Makes perfect sense - happy days :)

[jayst]

my installs .

rear
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d96/jamic123/IMG_0324.jpg

mid
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d96/jamic123/IMG_0323.jpg