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Team Losi Racing
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Set ups!
Seeing as i was bored of always seeing the subject (software issues) on the losi forum i thought id start this one that i'll try and keep updated.
Its basically the setup thats i have been using and the ones that i will be trying out. Im thinking to start with i'll put up my Worksop setup that has worked really well for the last 12 months. The second will be what i ran last season outside. I'd also like to see other people with losi to put up theres so we can all have a look and discuss! I think it will help us all, myself included obviously. Just copy and paste mine and fill in your bits instead. Track - Worksop Front Spring - Orange (paint removed) Oil - 35 Piston - 55 Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - Long Camber Link - 2 B Brass bulkhead (or 35g) Notes--- Rear Spring - red (paint removed) Oil - 32.5 Piston - 56 Shock Tower Position - 4 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - SHORT Camber Link - 2 D Wheelbase - Medium Notes--- Track - Outside whereever really Front Spring - Silver Oil - 32.5 Piston - 555 Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - Long Camber Link - 2 B Brass bulkhead (or 35g) Notes--- depending front wing somtimes used. Always 1/2 4wd hard losi foam Rear Spring - red (paint removed) Oil - 30 Piston - 56 Shock Tower Position - 4 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - SHORT Camber Link - 2 D or E Wheelbase - Medium Notes--- Long wheels base if very bumpy. Losi hard foams. Oh year i also played about with pro 10 tapered springs in the rear on high bite tracks Anything else you wanna know and ive missed out. Feel free to ask! I think thats about it |
I'm guessing thats the 2wd Danny. What do you run on the xx4?
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Front Spring - Green or Cut 1.5 coils from a silver Oil - 25 Piston - 56 Shock Tower Position - 2 Wishbone Position - Middle Camber Link - 3 (long on tower) with 1mm cut off the outer hub Notes--- Modified steering link with 15'g of weight up front too. On way used ALLL the time and alu CVD Rear Spring - Yellow with 2.5 coils removed Oil - 32.5 Piston - 54 Shock Tower Position - 4 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - SHORT Camber Link - 5 E Wheelbase - Medium Notes---Cells spaced forward, soon to be moved even further forwards when i have lipos Anything ive missed? |
Good post Danny, consider it 'stuck' :)
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Danny what tyres would you run with those setups for the 2wd?
Does your motor choice and gearing vary much on the 2wd? Ride heights? I've just bought myself a CR and hit the comeback trail after a few years away from racing so I'm trying to soak up as much advice as possible for the 'new' car. The last 2wd I owned was a BK2 hybrid but I didn't run that one much. Before that I'd run every Losi 2wd since the XX was released - oh the joy of filling hydra drives with fluid :lol: |
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7.5's are also very common in 2wd.
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Ride height, hmmm well usually i run the front just below level and the rear level. I may tweak that every now and then just to see if theres a difference but generally it stays the same, thats for both indoors and outside. Good to see ur back with losi. Im sure if we all keep this up to date then it will be a great help to us all. Once i get my lipo stuff i'm going to be hitting the tracks hard to find what i think is a decent set up. Ive got some things i wanna try to this year seeing as i have the ability to machine stuff at work. But i'll be keeping everyone up to date. p.s i remember hydra drives. Only ever used it a handful of times though, far to meesy! |
Losi motors are better than most ive found, i ran a 6.5 in 4wd since the winter and it's more than enough for most tracks, although the new 5.5 is also very good, nice and smooth with good top end. Ive seen an 8.5 run and was still impressed by the speed of it, ill have 7.5 std setup in 2wd with 6.5 if i need it and probably 6.5 in 4wd but may run 5.5 at some tracks.
I think my choices will be slower motors when i get my lipos to try. |
Yea ive had my losi motor in since last winter and it hasnt been out of my car its super smooth super motors and the money makes it even better.
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Ran my CR today at stotfold and seem to really like the following
Front Spring - Silver Oil - 30w Piston - 56 Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - Long Camber Link - 2 B 3 washers under link 30 degree caster as std 30g on top of bulk head Front Losi standard wing Thin losi front roll bar - Stops so much body roll in corner Rear Spring - white Oil - 25 Piston - 56 Shock Tower Position - 2 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - SHORT 2 degree anti squat Camber Link - 2 E 3 washers under link on hub Wheelbase - Medium losi steel drive shafts Wide losi wing 2cm gurney Others battery's - forwards but not up against servo in std position Motor 6.5t Losi 25/78 Tyres - Sch Mini spike yellow & stagger rib up front when track dry Car is forgiving to drive with this set up and well balanced |
I dont suppose you tried taking the roll bar off and running the VLA as short did you si? Why did you add the roll bar in the first place? i know you said it stopped the front diving in, but was that just the front end folding over? If so, when that happens i shortern the vla, seems to work for me.
Just a thought. Cheers for sticking that up though, it'll certainly be one to try out. :) Also were you running lipos? have you tried putting more weight on the front of the battery strap to move the weight forwards a bit. That really helped at worksop last time i was there. |
last time i ran the car i tried short and long LVA but i find on short that although the front end does stand up much better in a corner i do loose steering, by running long with the roll bar i found a happy medium, i did try the stiffer roll bar today and it was worse in that it took to much steering away so it does do something although the bars themselves are so thin i did start to wounder if they where doing anything but they do!
No not running lipo still on cells, with all my 1/8th racing my 1/10 gear is getting out of date :p Weight - i have alot of weight in the car, 25g down both sides on the battery tray in the chassis. I am also running the short KO servo with 40g behind that and 15g under the servo horn so in total including the 30g on the front bulkhead i am running 145g in the car as well as cells! The weight has made a massive difference, car less prone to wheelie, and on power steering greatly improved Si |
Holy Moly, thats lots of weight!
Cheers for the info Si, i'll give it all a bash at the next meet. Got some of those servos on order so will give the weight bit a try and report back |
Are you coming to Kidderminster this weekend?
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Dont think i have any which is a bit of a pain, but ill see what i can do |
Hi guys needsoem help
What diffrence will a front and rear anti roll bar make to the car? The back end of my car seems to roll alot indoors at oz and was wondering if an anti roll bar would help? A |
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thats as classic as a panatella cigar (bought at Sainsbury's :woot:)
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Anyone got a realy answer:blush::rolleyes:
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Solved my own problem now.
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£4.53 an hour yea!!!!! Because im under 18 Found out some of the things an anti roll bar can do.... Front anti roll bar reduces low speed steering a little Rear anti roll bar gives more steering but makes the rear end roll less meaning less traction out of the corner. So im going to try a rear one. A |
Hi Ash
Yes you have figured it out. Basically if you fit a roll bar it stops the car generating body roll in a corner and keeps the chassis flatter in a turn, this then means the end of the car where the roll bar is fitted is stiffer in a corner which = less grip So if you fit a rear roll bar the rear will be stiffer in the turn reducing rear grip = more steering If you fit a front roll bar the front will be stiffer in the turn reducing steering and therefor the car will fell like you have more rear traction. Thicker the bar the bigger the impact If you use a thin bar you can get a happy medium like i have been running on the front of my CR. I do not loose much steering but the front is a little stiffer and not wanting to dive into a turn as much. Hope that helps |
Cheers si thats a big help i wanted to confirm it as what i put was what i figured out from reading a guide.
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2wd
Track - Worksop 22nd Front Spring - Silver Oil - 35 Piston - 55 Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - Long Camber Link - 2 B Brass bulkhead (or 35g) Notes--- 30g's added on the front of the battery strap Thin front roll car used (smallest) Rear Spring - red (paint removed) Oil - 32.5 Piston - 56 Shock Tower Position - 4 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - SHORT Camber Link - 2 D Wheelbase - Medium Notes--- Inside and outside cut off the front tyres to stop it hooking in on the astro 4wd was the same as before but i ran a diff in the end with the cliccker 2 turns from fully tight |
2wd
Track - Coventry Astro 22nd Front Spring - Silver Oil - 27.5 Piston - 667 Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - Short Camber Link - 2 B 1 gold washer Brass bulkhead (or 35g) Notes--- Rear Spring - Pink Oil - 25 Piston - 56 Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - SHLong Camber Link - 7 E Wheelbase - Medium |
Ran the CR at stotfold today in slippy conditions and ended up on the below once i had figured out how to drive an electric car again :p
Front Spring - green Oil - 30w Piston - 55 Shock Tower Position - 2 Wishbone Position - inside VLA - short Camber Link - 2 B 3 washers under link 30 degree caster as std - tried 25 degree buut 30 better 30g on top of bulk head Front Losi standard wing Thin losi front roll bar - Stops so much body roll in corner Rear Spring - yellow Oil - 30 Piston - 56 Shock Tower Position - 2 Wishbone Position - inside - gave much more drive for the slippy conditions VLA - SHORT 2 degree anti squat Camber Link - 2 B 3 washers under link on hub Wheelbase - Short losi steel drive shafts Wide losi wing full gurney Others battery's - middle foam at the front and rear of Batts Motor 6.5t Losi 25/78 Tyres - Sch Mini spike green Speedo - Xcelorin servo - short Ko 40g weight behind car was good, would only run rear shocks on inside hole on the wishbone when car is lacking drive |
2wd
Track - Kidderminster 12th April Front Spring - Green Oil - 35 Piston - Red Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - Short Camber Link - 2 B 1 gold washer Brass bulkhead (or 35g) Notes--- Rear Spring - Yellow Oil - 25 Piston - Orange Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Outside VLA - Long Camber Link - 7 E Wheelbase - Medium |
Danny, could you get your setups up from Taly please mate? I know most of ours were about the same, just wondering on the main differences.
Cheers dude. |
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Front Spring - Orange Oil - 35 Piston - Orange Shock Tower Position - Outside hole Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - Short Camber Link - 2 B 2 gold washer Brass bulkhead (or 35g), 10g's either side of the chassis Notes--- Rear Spring - White Oil - 30 Piston - Red Shock Tower Position - Outter hole Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - Long Camber Link - 2 B i think Wheelbase - Medium |
4wd
Front Spring - Green Oil - 30 Piston - Black Shock Tower Position - 2 Wishbone Position - Middle Camber Link - 3 (long on tower) with 1mm cut off the outer hub Notes--- Modified steering link with 15'g of weight up front too. Diff used Rear Spring - White Oil - 30 Piston - Blue Shock Tower Position - 3 Wishbone Position - Middle VLA - SHORT Camber Link - 5 E Wheelbase - Medium Notes---Lipo against the motor with speedo at the back Think thats about it for both cars? have i missed anything? |
Danny what about the weight of the 2wd?
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So add those all up and thats pretty much your answer. I am going to try more weight for the next nat, as it seemed to work for the x factory guys! |
Thats about it, cheers. Only my rear link was different.
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Few questions
What setup changes are people making when running lipo i ran my cr for the first time tonight with lipo and it was gash tried it with lots of weight tried it with a bit of weight and tried it with no weigh and it was crap. Anyone got a good lipo grass setup for somewhere like hinkcley. A |
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Weight wise well that's anyones guess, were still playing with that |
Cheers danny ill give it a go.
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I think weight wise mine is pretty much spot on, although it's very heavy (1750g) it jumps very flat and still has a lot of turn in and high speed steering. I may lighten it at some point but it feels pretty good at the moment. I have my big battery strap, two 5's in the front quarters, two tens in the speedo/receiver area and some lead behind the cells. It seems to have taken away some of the excessive rear end i get and adding it to the front.
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