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Mossy 21-05-2008 08:57 AM

Brushless Rota's
 
Does anyone have a definitive explanation of what effect different size rota's have on the pickup/top end in a brushless motor. I have some different sizes to try but need to know the effects of usin 12/13/13.5 mm etc. Mr Sleigh has explained this to me, along with Chris Yardy, but my memory is pretty vague.

Ta

Si

jimmy 21-05-2008 09:17 AM

I'm sure they gave you a really intelligent and clever answer - but from what I can see it's just less torque since there is less leverage on the rotor because of the smaller diameter magnet - like using a shorter or longer spanner. I assume they rev a little higher too.
I only have the big sintered rotor for my nosram motors - and it's too powerful for lil old me.

DCM 21-05-2008 09:20 AM

Larger diameter (or more importantly, less air gap) = torque
Smaller Diameter (bigger air-gap) = RPM

Chris Doughty 21-05-2008 09:44 AM

smaller diam rotor = less bottom end and more rpm - very free running off-power, weaker brakes(but you have to gear it lower)

large diam rotor = more torque, less rpm + much more drag brake, killer brakes! (so you gear it higher)

if you changed rotor without changing gearing the change would be pretty massive, but the change in gearing normally makes the change less noticeable

I think the main thing is the amount of bottom end rip you get with a big rotor and the amount of brakes both drag and pull back brakes with a big rotor, some like it, some don't

Mossy 21-05-2008 09:46 AM

Im lookin to get the best for 2wd. I know i ran the same as you at Oz Chris, but gotta get the balance right in the Speed Passion ones now!

Chris Doughty 21-05-2008 09:47 AM

I prefer small diam rotor in 2WD, I actually really liked the bonded rotors in 2WD, but its all sintered now so I choose the one with the weakest magnets (12.5mm)

DCM 21-05-2008 09:48 AM

worth remembering, with the larger diameter and the taller gearing, you will get things a tad hotter too, but in the end, the aim isn't to make the car quicker, but to change how the power comes in....

Chris Doughty 21-05-2008 09:54 AM

on the flip-side, the bigger the rotor the more efficient it is at producing the power so I don't think the heat will change much.

think of the rotor diam like the piston bore of an engine, bigger = more power

but maybe unlike an engine (im no engine expert) bigger = less rpm

Northy 21-05-2008 09:57 AM

Chris, the 12.3mm spec motor rotors are now legal too ;)

G

Northy 21-05-2008 09:58 AM

Don't you get more RPM just because they are lighter? :eh?:

G

DCM 21-05-2008 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoughtyUK.net (Post 126040)
on the flip-side, the bigger the rotor the more efficient it is at producing the power so I don't think the heat will change much.

think of the rotor diam like the piston bore of an engine, bigger = more power

but maybe unlike an engine (im no engine expert) bigger = less rpm

it is swings and round-abouts, depends on your driving I guess.

Kopite 21-05-2008 10:30 AM

Did LRP/Nosram always produce the differing rotors, or has this only recently been introduced?

millzy 21-05-2008 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kopite (Post 126072)
Did LRP/Nosram always produce the differing rotors, or has this only recently been introduced?

tricky ran somthing diffrent at the end of 07 didnt he?!

Northy 21-05-2008 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millzy (Post 126074)
tricky ran somthing diffrent at the end of 07 didnt he?!

I hope not:

26/03/2007 - date approved

Wrapped bonded magnet 14.0 supplied:-8.5T, 7.5T, 6.5T, 5.5T. Varnished sintered magnet in:- 4.5T & 3.5T approved.


27/08/2007 - date approved

4.0T approved.


27/04/2008 - date approved

Rotors:- Bonded 14.0. Sintered 12.3, 12.5, 13.0, 14.0.


So - unless he was using a sintered in a 4.5T or 3.5T he souldn't of have at a BRCA event.....

G

MattW 21-05-2008 11:26 AM

Si - it's a tough call for 2wd. For "on power" you want the 12mm (IMHO), as Chris said it gives smoothest bottom end. However (and this is a driving style thing), when you then back off, it will run on more into the corner - which is something that would give more of an issue for me, as i don't use much breaks. You can also adjust the timing, just to through another curve ball in!!

millzy 21-05-2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northy (Post 126077)
I hope not:

26/03/2007 - date approved

Wrapped bonded magnet 14.0 supplied:-8.5T, 7.5T, 6.5T, 5.5T. Varnished sintered magnet in:- 4.5T & 3.5T approved.


27/08/2007 - date approved

4.0T approved.


27/04/2008 - date approved

Rotors:- Bonded 14.0. Sintered 12.3, 12.5, 13.0, 14.0.


So - unless he was using a sintered in a 4.5T or 3.5T he souldn't of have at a BRCA event.....

G


what do i know

Northy 21-05-2008 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millzy (Post 126101)
what do i know

More than you should maybe? ;););)

G

millzy 21-05-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northy (Post 126105)
More than you should maybe? ;););)

G

or maybe some one was on about somthing else
im just a dumb welshman who knows nothing:)

Kopite 21-05-2008 12:36 PM

you know how to support a shit team :woot:

millzy 21-05-2008 12:49 PM

lets see what happens tonight


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