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pete2222 12-11-2009 02:08 PM

Advice on brushed motor capacitors...
 
Can someone advise me whether it's really necessary to solder capacitors to the rear of brushed motors. I'm not racing, just driving my B4 in the park etc.
My 1/10th scale electric experience so far has all been brushless, but I've now got hold of a couple of old brushed motors (without capacitors on) that I'd like to try out just to see how they compare.
Thanks

MatJohnson 12-11-2009 02:11 PM

Give it a go, All mine have got them on but I dunno if they are essential any more

sosidge 12-11-2009 02:21 PM

Definitely worth it.

Without the capacitors the motor will cause interference which will spoil your day, on the track or in the park.

But bear in mind that a lot of the more modern motors have small surface-mount capacitors built in. You can normally see a small circuit board on the endbell screws. The V2 motors have the board hidden inside the endbell.

I don't 100% trust the SM capacitors though, so if you are having interference problems, solder some on externally as well. Generally three should sort you, positive to negative, positive to can, and negative to can.

bodgit 12-11-2009 02:57 PM

are you thinking of capacitors or skotty diodes

pete2222 12-11-2009 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodgit (Post 309236)
are you thinking of capacitors or skotty diodes

I think I'm on about capacitors, but if there is anything else that's essential for me to solder on before I start, let me know:cry:

Titch 12-11-2009 10:24 PM

Depends on your ESC, if it has reverse on it don't install a schottky diode else it will go pop..

When you hit the brakes on a brushed system the motor gives off electrical current, this ends up going back to the ESC and causing the brake FETs to overheat. running the diode on the motor, or inline to the motor soaks up this current and stops the overheating..

Most entry level ESC's which require them already have them installed internally, some top end models require you to add one yourself.. This way manufacturers can make the units smaller thus saving you space and choice of where to put the SD.

:)

ps - that's as I understand it anyway.

Col 12-11-2009 10:26 PM

That's bang on there titch about reverse.
Brushed motors are no less competative than brushless. The main difference is less runtime per equilivent motor.

Titch 13-11-2009 11:48 AM

Nice to know my memory hasn't let me down completely!! :lol:

MatJohnson 13-11-2009 12:01 PM

So would you always use a shottky diode on a forward/brake esc and brushed motor combo?

sosidge 13-11-2009 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadeh (Post 309666)
So would you always use a shottky diode on a forward/brake esc and brushed motor combo?

Read the ESC manual first.

Some speedos don't need them, some speedos need a specific one.

MatJohnson 13-11-2009 01:06 PM

Yeah I did that, it says its optional, thats about it :) (Its a Novak Cyclone, one of the orignal ones)

Titch 13-11-2009 01:12 PM

install both the diodes.. I had the cyclone and I installed them both on mine.

Put the smaller one on the motor endbell and the large black one onto the ESC. do you have the instruction manual? if not - it's Here.

MatJohnson 13-11-2009 01:34 PM

Int the large black one on the ESC a capacitor?

Titch 13-11-2009 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadeh (Post 309717)
Int the large black one on the ESC a capacitor?

:blush:

Sorry, that's what I meant! Just blame it on my age :lol:

pete2222 18-11-2009 04:19 PM

Thanks for all your advice. I set it up without soldering any capacitors or diodes on and it all seemed fine for 1 pack in the garden anyway.

MatJohnson 18-11-2009 05:06 PM

Yeah, its when you get near the other cars it will start doing odd things.

bodgit 18-11-2009 05:31 PM

If you use a schotty diode remember to solder the side with a white/silver line on to the positive side only
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...d3%2fd3_pl.jpg


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