New 210 owner: setup advice needed

[Chris Elworthy]

Hey guys,

I've recently returned to the hobby and picked up a 210 kit. I'm racing on the astro track at Bury Metro. I still have the standard springs fitted with 45 wt oil in the front and 30 in the rear. The car seems to understeer on power a lot, could this be due to the front end being too soft? I'm running Schumacher yellow minispikes on the rear and yellow slim staggers on the front.

Any help would be greatly appriciated

Chris

[hotrodchris]

first thing i would do is put a set of low profile cut staggers on the front along with a Cream under servo weight, pos even one of his front bulkheads to get a bit more weight and grip in the front, then see what you think as the tyres alone will give you more steering then look at playing with the springs and oils!

[coolcars782]

All I've done for mine is;
Front - Yellow springs, 1.4mm * 4 pistons, and 35wt oil.
Rear - Light Red springs, 1.4mm * 4 pistons, and 30wt oil.
No weight in the car, and I'm also running the same tires you are.

That's for my local track, Tiverton, which is a mixture of grass and astro with jumps.


Carl

[Chris-S]

Whats your current setup? I know you have mentioned oils, but what about everything else ?

[Chris Elworthy]

I followed Craig Collinson's setup for Southport from the Petit RC website as a starting point apart from the fact I still have kit springs. How do these (blue?) springs rate in weight? And what would you recommend? I'm planning on racing tomorrow so won't have chance to pick up any springs or weight before tomorrow. Is there anything I can do with the camber/ride height/toe etc to generate a little more front end grip as the car pushes into the corner badly.
In running mid motor 4 gear.

Chris

[dwp102]

Try reducing the front droop. Run it a few mm above resting. The effect will be dramatic.

[dwp102]

Make sure it is the same amount left and right, it will pull one way otherwise

[Chris Elworthy]

Cheers mate,

So what you're saying is that I want less droop on the front to make te car more positive on power?

[Tomk26B4]

Try the new lowprofile yellow cut staggers

[Chris Elworthy]

I am running low profile cut staggers already...sorry


Chris

[losichris]

Chris, 45w is far too heavy in the front.
If you not getting any steering thats going to be the first thing to change, go down to a 35w losi oil on kit springs. 30w in the rear as youve got.
At Bury i ran this setup, with a few minor changes, but found it very good and stable.

http://www.team-durango.com/pdf/setu...01_04_2012.pdf

[coleman758]

Come see me tomorrow! Il have a look over it for you,
Just as Race Control, Roger will point you in the right direction.

[Si Coe]

Mine runs great at Bury without any changes to the springs, or under servo weights or anything else. My 210 has to be the best handling (though not the best driven!) one at the club - its got a lot of Tresrey bits but they are pure bling and don't really affect the performance.

I'm running the same base setup as you - but 35wt oil all round and full rather than cut staggers. My servo is pretty heavy (Ace DS1015) so that helps. Come have a look over mine tomorrow - its pretty easy to spot just look for red bits.....

[dwp102]

Yes Chris it will give you a lot more on power steering and turn in. The car will feel a lot sharper as well

[Chris Elworthy]

Cheers lads that's great. I thought the 45 wt was a bit heavy but thought I would follow the setup. Hopefully the weather is ok as I havent been able to pick up any Ballistic greens yet.

Cheers

Chris

[dwp102]

I've messed around with the car a lot and its probably the most dramatic change that I've found that can be made to the car. It works especially well on high grip surfaces

[Timee80]

Originally Posted by losichris

Chris, 45w is far too heavy in the front.
If you not getting any steering thats going to be the first thing to change, go down to a 35w losi oil on kit springs. 30w in the rear as youve got.
At Bury i ran this setup, with a few minor changes, but found it very good and stable.

http://www.team-durango.com/pdf/setu...01_04_2012.pdf

+1 35 wt is plenty up front. this setup is also good. go shorter on wheelbase if you want a bit more rear end

[Chris-S]

Originally Posted by Chris Elworthy

I followed Craig Collinson's setup for Southport from the Petit RC website as a starting point apart from the fact I still have kit springs. How do these (blue?) springs rate in weight? And what would you recommend? I'm planning on racing tomorrow so won't have chance to pick up any springs or weight before tomorrow. Is there anything I can do with the camber/ride height/toe etc to generate a little more front end grip as the car pushes into the corner badly.
In running mid motor 4 gear.

Chris

http://www.team-durango.com/pdf/setu...hart-Small.pdf

http://www.team-durango.com/pdf/setu...t-Complete.pdf

[Timee80]

Reduce rear toe / camber, Lengthen wheelbase, stand up rear shocks, move spindles more inline

[Tomk26B4]

Guessing its a ball diff same as in the kit?
Because a gear diff would want about 2000-3000 in the dry I think and about 4000 in the wet?