BRCA EB Battery Regs Announced

[Northy]

Isn't the rule on rrp though?

G

[DCM]

yes, RRP not shop price.

[Jonathan]

Ok, we have our first legal pack !

http://www.redrc.net/2009/01/reedy-35c-efrabrca-lipo-battery/

[Col]

It's not legal until the BRCA says it is...

[ashleyb4]

I was going to say its not legal until the BRCA say it is.

A

[mark christopher]

Ok, we have our first legal pack !

http://www.redrc.net/2009/01/reedy-35c-efrabrca-lipo-battery/
price will have to come down too

[Chrislong]

It just states that the cells fall within the regulations, doesn't say they have been approved. Misleading and underhand marketing tacktick, especially if they don't get approved..

There is only one list I would trust and that will be on www.brca.org when its available.

[ScottyDogWoof]

Just trying to understand this.

http://brca.org/BRCA/elecboard/regs/BRCA%20Electric%20board%20rules%202009.pdf

If you look down the list regarding batts its says.

It follows that any new battery becoming available during a calendar year can only be used from the 1st April in the subsequent year. i.e. No new batteries will be homologated during the calendar year or racing season.

For 2009, the option of a 3.7v LiPo pack may be included, with
specifications to be confirmed, and a ‘rolling’ homologation list for the first year.

It looks to me that they'v not actually written any rule atall regaurding saddle lipo's. Thus meaning the dimentions people keep bringing up are only applicable to stick pack no? Also the homo list is of a rolling genre meaning that packs that come available during the year, can after being submitted and approved do not have to wait 12months before use.??

Is this not right. I'm a bit of a newbi to racing Reginals/Nationals (although i been racing for over 10years) but i would regard my self with a level head.

scott ;)

[RogerM]

The way I read this is ...

Cells not on the list by the start of the season (1st April) will not be added until the following year.
Special consideration to 3.7V LiPos as it's still not sure how that will work out in the relevent formulas.

Saddle pack LiPo will have to fit, end to end, into the same dimensions as a stick pack.


Maybe I'm wrong and if so I bet I'll be corrected in seconds!!!

[ScottyDogWoof]

As regards to people saying well you should have known...I didnt. As i have always raced club i really didnt know specs played such a big part. Especially this 2mm to long grrr. We're talking about the thickness of a credit card! In what way does this give any advantage?? Cells are cells are they not, longs caps and volts are at spec??.

Untill recently i had two sets of 33's and two sets of 42's Full stop. These bats where used for Mardave/Pan car/buggy etc. i made them up as i needed. I couldnt afford any more. These where always hand me downs bought from people in the club too. how the hell can i get hand me downs now when the batts arn't even out yet?

After a recent purchase of a B44 and brushless set up i used the cells i had for a few years. I still kept up if not beat the competition of people that run lipo/brushless. But this is not without its problems of alot of time needed to discharge/part charge storage/discharge/charge etc. With a baby on the way time is not what i have. SO with alot of good word about these track power lipos i went ahead and bought second hand of this very site! less than a week ago. Lovely i thought i mean if you pay nearly 70quid for batts surly i dont need to worry about them being legal for racing! (still didnt know!)

It was only by the time i found and bought my third pack of trak power saddle lipos that the guy i bought off told me exactly what i have just spent an evening reading lol ALL 13 PAGES Grrr.

I have read every post in the thread and have to agree with the majority that we have really been screwed over by the brca. After giving up rally cross last year due to CRAP weather and expence i thought hard about 1/10th buggy and pushed my self to get all i needed to be competitive. All old gear and cars sold to fund Buggy/brushless/lipo. Now finding out it could be made illegal. I would strongly think i wont be running if the lipos are made illegal. What should a newbi think, coming in to a different class finding out AFTER buying his gear its illegal??

Not every one can afford packs of new batts motors speedos etc when they need them. Takes a long time to pull your resorce's together to do so. Another 2x£85 quid is 170quid too much for the budget racer!!

Scott

[RogerM]

Whilst I understand your frustration I also understand the BRCA position.

If there were no specification which had to be worked to technology would advance at a huge rate ..... every couple of weeks there would be another "must have" product and the expense of that would far out reach the cost of buying only "legal" components.
To be fair, the lists are easy to find on the BRCA electric board site.

The other reason specifications are important is so that the car manufactures have clear dimensions to work with when designing their cars. Again if they didn't then manufactures would be faced with the possibility that all there clever design work being made obsolete ever couple of months by the aforementioned "must have" product. If that was the case then it would be uneconomic to tool up for a production run at the sort of retail prices we are now used too!!!

When I see a lot of the the same part / car / item for sale at the same time I feel the need to ask myself why so many people no longer want that thing.

[ScottyDogWoof]

should they not bare in mind people have already paid good money for the stuff they already have tho?? 70 quid is alot of money?? Maybe only legalise it as a retro componant. Ie one of its kind now lets never spaek of it again??

[bert digler]

should they not bare in mind people have already paid good money for the stuff they already have tho?? 70 quid is alot of money?? Maybe only legalise it as a retro componant. Ie one of its kind now lets never spaek of it again??

until the official list is published i would not even speculate on what is going on if you want to find out check the list as and when it becomes available then try and buy the legal packs asap as demand outstrips supply very quick

[ScottyDogWoof]

thats my point..170 quid is hard to come by.!

[bigred5765]

how many are you buying £170? one pack for each car is ample, your talking sub £120 and will out last 10 12 packs of cells,Bargain

[bert digler]

thats my point..170 quid is hard to come by.!

yes but ive run demon packs 45 quid each and 2 packs if they are legal as there sold as is 90 quid for 5000 20c so 90quid is way cheaper than the six packs of up in smoke cells we have used for the last few years:lol: and from what i here will last upwards of 500 cycles so happy days

[ScottyDogWoof]

Are we talking saddle packs?? or stick..Coz i have a b44..So i can only use saddle

[Huw333]

The way i see it, ANYONE who buys or has bought saddle lipos BEFORE the brca release the official list is a gambler. If you have bought them you were surely 'hoping' they would be on the list?

People bought lipos last year and they werent on the list, so they would never be able to run them at brca meetings anyway. Why complain about it if the batteries you have bought arent on the new list? Is that the brca's fault? I'm sure they have their reasons for only allowing certain batteries to be included and these people already knew they were illegal!

I think Rogers post about the fact that they need to enforce standards is a valid point. They are merely trying to enforce the fact that lipo's should be a direct alternative to running nimh cells with no modification, just as nimh's were an alternative to running nicad's.