BRCA AGM Attendance

[Yardeeee]

Hey guys and girls,

Ok... I understand I am not a BRCA official in any shape or form, but what I am is a racer who is concerned about his sport/hobby as I am sure many of you are too. We all have the right to voice our opinions on matters, potential rule changes, things we are unhappy about, heck, we can even choose who the officials are, but the vast majority of us don't take this opportunity to contribute to the level of success and enjoyment we all have at national and regional events.

As those who attend nationals will be aware, we have a majorly popular section in 1/10 off road, nationals are over subscribed, the level of organisation at these events is great... and yet despite all this, when reading in the latest BRCA circuit chatter, I noticed something which I knew myself as I attended the AGM last year, but when seen in black and white it's pretty shocking and dissapointing. Only 1/12 circuit had a lower turnout of people attend their section AGM in 06. Here are some figures taken from the circuit chatter:

Number of members in attendance per section AGM-
1/10 TC: 69
1/8 RallyX: 53
1/10 IC circuit: 34
1/12 Oval: 24 (!)
1/10 off road: 15

The full list can be found in circuit chatter page 6 so I won't bother copying it all, but it's depressing reading isn't it? I'm proud to be a member of our section, we have a great standard of racing every national, well organised, good tracks. But what that list says is that, people who race 1/12 round an OVAL are more interested in their section success than us!

I've attended the AGM for the past 4 years and yes it can be pretty boring but there is a definite need for more racers to attend, when rule change issues come up, attention turns to the drivers, you don't just have to sit there listening, you can take part in the discussion (it gets heated sometime and gets really entertaining!) and make a difference. Like I say, I know I have no official right to tell you all to come, but I just think that us racers should take more interest in what is happening, plenty of people complain about the rules in public forums but they're never there to support a rule change or make their feelings official. Come along to the AGM next time, heck even if it's just to give me someone extra to talk to, its no fun sitting with all the oldies you know! :)

If you work, or have commitments, fine, don't force yourself, but if you're free on the date of the next one come along:

Thistley High School,
Stoke on Trent,
Sunday Oct 28th 2007.

Cheers,
Yardy

[ashleyb4]

I agree tom i was thinking about this and i intend on going to the AGM this year as i have a few rules and things i want to have my say about.

A

[_sleigh_]

its no fun sitting with all the oldies you know! :)

Less of the old you...

Totally agree with what Tom has said.... Especially goes out to all those people who have ever proposed a rule and then not bothered to turn up to support their own proposal.

[_sleigh_]

I agree tom i was thinking about this and i intend on going to the AGM this year as i have a few rules and things i want to have my say about.

A


Ash, only rules changes that have been proposed by the deadline date will be discussed at the AGM. It's not a free for all on any rules you don't like.

(I dont know the deadline date off hand as it used to be 6 weeks before the AGM, then it changed I think)

[ashleyb4]

Im not sure if its actually a rule but i would like to see another heat at nationals.

A

[Wraggy]

Im not sure if its actually a rule but i would like to see another heat at nationals.

A

thats all down to the amount of time in the day ....
to add an extra heat will be an extra 40 min in the day roughly.

[ashleyb4]

That is one of the down sides. But i think it would help if we had another heat in nationals as there are getting more and more people coming to nationals and at the moment where getting to the stage where there are loads of people coming into nationals but only a few leaving so we need to acomidate these people. Because look at the researve list this year its been over 30 people at some meetings if we where to add another heat we reduce the number of people on researve list and also increase the chances of the people on the researve list getting in. Maybe on the sunday we could ajust it so we have 2 rounds of practice but make them only 3 minutes long. As i find at practise after 5 minutes i find it a bit pointless. I tend to pull the car off after about 4 minutes as it saves my tyres and saves me breaking it.

A

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Practice are already only 3 mins long Ash (well I think they are unless I am still asleep during the morning practice):)

[Wraggy]

the 2 praccy rounds at nationals are not 5 mins each anyway ..
think there only about 2mins 30 anyway ????

[ashleyb4]

Isnt the first round 5 then the second round 3.

A

[Wraggy]

Isnt the first round 5 then the second round 3.

A
no they are both the same time in each session.

[Spencer Mulcahy]

You must be enjoying yourself so much you are staying on until the next heat :)

[ashleyb4]

No ive never done round 1 practise at a national both the ones i got into I wasnt ready as kiddy i was told about 2 minutes before my practise so didnt have time to check frequancies and with oswestry i didnt even have my car lol. Until practise 2.

A

[Spencer Mulcahy]

You weren't happy last year Ash about not getting in the nationals and someone told you to concentrate on getting you F grade up at regionals, how has that gone this year. Evan if you have gone up one grade it makes entry easyer.:)

[_sleigh_]

That is one of the down sides. But i think it would help if we had another heat in nationals as there are getting more and more people coming to nationals and at the moment where getting to the stage where there are loads of people coming into nationals but only a few leaving so we need to acomidate these people. Because look at the researve list this year its been over 30 people at some meetings if we where to add another heat we reduce the number of people on researve list and also increase the chances of the people on the researve list getting in. Maybe on the sunday we could ajust it so we have 2 rounds of practice but make them only 3 minutes long. As i find at practise after 5 minutes i find it a bit pointless. I tend to pull the car off after about 4 minutes as it saves my tyres and saves me breaking it.

A

I think you've lost the plot there Ash.

National are the top level of our sport, but here has to be a limit on the entry number or the day will become to long and that could become a negative to those that drive long distances. Sunday is always 1 heat shorter because everyone has to drive home.

The reserve list works well i think, as does the process for selecting entries at the beginning of the year. The current situation of over subscribed Nationals "should" start to improve the attendance at Regional level, as drivers now realise that having an F3 license is probably the minimum requirement to have a chance of entering the following years Nationals. (obviously there are other factors like the number of meetings you enter, and the date your entry is received)

As for practice, both days are currently two rounds of about 3 minutes each. This method was adopted after comments from drivers, who said two short practices was better than one 5 minute run. It allows us to try a setup change. (perhaps your thinking of Regional practice??)

[ashleyb4]

Dont worry about it i think i a loosing the plot. I feel a right idiot now.


And spencer my f grade is going ok i think im sorta border line at the moment. Im not sure Im hoping coventry should get me a good result and push me up that little bit more and i hope to drop my 2wd marston result. Im scared i may be like top f5 if that happens ill be well gutted.

A

[Wraggy]

just as an idea Ash , the F4 grade cut off was around position 51 last year .
your currently at 62 in 2wd:wtf:

[spenner]

I think MR Sly is spot on.
Our National series is pretty sorted, what we need to be doing is promoting the regional series that bit more!!!
It is good to hear a person like Craig Drescher asking what regionals are left, just so he can gain his licence for entry to next years Nationals.

One thing we could do to help promote Regionals/End of Season finals, is maybe the top 3 in F3's, F2's and Juniors get a place if they want it for the next years National series ??????
Maybe for the Junior's they have there entry fee's paid by Brca, or someone takes them on as a driver ???

Just some ideas....

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Big push for you this weekend then Ash.:)

[ashleyb4]

I know but dont we have more f1's this year than last year and when we get rid of the f2's that get there f1's at nationals i should be higher up. But if i dont get my f4 this year thats it im giving up. I also wish with 4wd it was 2 to count instead of 3 as then i could have my marston result and if i do good at kiddy my kiddy result and i should be up there. As im 53rd overall in 4wd and ive only done 2 events and the one was shocking.

A

[Gaz_Stanton]

Ash, you're very lucky to have a good permanent track so close to you (i certainly miss being able to test there :( ).
How about less sitting on your backside typing and more using the time usefully to get to the track and practice, practice, practice. You'll be amazed just how much difference it'll make when it counts on a Sunday. :) (I know you don't drive but there are ways such as bike, lift, etc, etc.)
Use your initiative and get practicing, it'll be a win-win for everyone. :D ;) :p

[_sleigh_]

I know but dont we have more f1's this year than last year and when we get rid of the f2's that get there f1's at nationals i should be higher up. But if i dont get my f4 this year thats it im giving up. I also wish with 4wd it was 2 to count instead of 3 as then i could have my marston result and if i do good at kiddy my kiddy result and i should be up there. As im 53rd overall in 4wd and ive only done 2 events and the one was shocking.

A

The number of F1 licenses given out per class over the past couple of years has been pretty consistent. But what is happening is different drivers are gaining F1 in the two classes, so in total there may be a few more F1's.

As for the license at Regionals. it is calculated as follows

The number of drivers that satisfy the point scoring requirements for a Region’s particular Series will be used as the base figure.

Any drivers included in this base figure, that have gained their licence from the National Series of the current year (F1, F2 and demoted F1) will be subtracted from the base figure to give an adjusted base figure on which the calculations will be based.
(It follows that Regional licence grades can only be established when the results of the National Championship are finalised.)

FORMULA 2 - The top 20% of the adjusted base figure is used against the final series’ results to determine the F2 drivers. (2WD and 4WD)

FORMULA 3 - The next 30% of the adjusted base figure is used against the final series’ results to determine the F3 drivers. (2WD and 4WD)

FORMULA 4 - The next 30% of the adjusted base figure is used against the final series’ results to determine the F4 drivers. (2WD and 4WD)

FORMULA 5 - The final 20% of the adjusted base figure is used against the final series’ results to determine the F5 drivers (2WD and 4WD)

Extra Note: - FORMULA 5- This licence grade may be awarded to any competent driver at the discretion of the club officials.

[Wraggy]

well thats cleared that up then :wtf: :wtf: :eh?: ..
ha ha still havnt got a clue where i will be then ... lol

[_sleigh_]

well thats cleared that up then :wtf: :wtf: :eh?: ..
ha ha still havnt got a clue where i will be then ... lol

A clever bloke like you :eh?:

[ashleyb4]

I do go any practise quiet a bit its not everyday i do go at least once a fortnight the only problem recently is the weather.

If i dont get my f4 i will be highly annoyed the ammount of money and effort ive put in.

A
Ash, you're very lucky to have a good permanent track so close to you (i certainly miss being able to test there :( ).
How about less sitting on your backside typing and more using the time usefully to get to the track and practice, practice, practice. You'll be amazed just how much difference it'll make when it counts on a Sunday. :) (I know you don't drive but there are ways such as bike, lift, etc, etc.)
Use your initiative and get practicing, it'll be a win-win for everyone. :D ;) :p

[Wraggy]

A clever bloke like you :eh?:
well by my calculations, i think it will be F3 . but very close to F2 ??:p
based on 4wd results

[CharlieF]

Getting back to the AGM.
Tom you had me cheering right up until the "oldies" line!!!!

[_sleigh_]

Charlie, could you confirm the date that rule proposals need to be in by (or has it passed) I know it used to be by the Circuit Chatter print date, but I seem to remember it changing?

Thanks, Phil

[Bathy]

Thistley High School,
Stoke on Trent,
Sunday Oct 28th 2007.

Cheers,
Yardy

Do you know the postcode, please?

Tomtom will get me there!

[_sleigh_]

Do you know the postcode, please?

Tomtom will get me there!

Here we goes Mr Bathy

Newcastle Lane
Penkhull
Stoke on Trent
ST4 5JJ

[Kopite]

How does the AGM go then? Is it very formal?

Perhaps we could do something that'd make it more fun or interesting to make more people want to come along? Perhaps a free brushless system for everyone who attends, donated by our drivers rep?:)

Seriously though, there must be something that the oval guys are doing right, or something we're missing? Because 15 attendees is bloody awful really!

[_sleigh_]

Perhaps we could do something that'd make it more fun or interesting to make more people want to come along? Perhaps a free brushless system for everyone who attends, donated by our drivers rep?:)

:eh?: :eh?: :eh?:

[super__dan]

I'm going to try to make this year, but I think the low turnout is because if you have no particular reason to want to change a rule it is along way for many people (though I agree Stoke is fairly central). Also my misses can't understand why I travel to far to race, telling her I'm going just to talk about it and she'll do her nut!

For what it's worth, I think adding an extra heat to the nationals is completely wrong. The days are plenty long enough as it is (for everyone), if anything I'd like to see a heat less so I'm not quite so ruined on a monday morning in work. I won't be going so far as submitting this though!

[Rob]

Hey guys and girls,

Only 1/12 circuit had a lower turnout of people attend their section AGM in 06. Here are some figures taken from the circuit chatter:
Cheers,
Yardy

I agree with your points. But just a note the figures for the 1/12 circuit are not technically correct, 1/12 is a winter series and therefore have their own AGM in April different to everyone else and there were quite a lot there.

[CharlieF]

Phil.
You are right to say that the closing date for rule change proposals is the closing date for circuit chatter (normally six weeks before the AGM date). I sent those that I have received todate today. Having said that proposals can still be offerred as even if received after the cut-off date they will still be discussed by the committee.
Dan
Thanks for making the point that the committee hope is relevant. If every thing with our National series was awful we would expect you all to turn up to tell us. We live in hope that low attendance is a sign that the majority are satisfied.
Regards.

[Stu]

I think that's spot on Charlie.

The committee has the thing stitched up tight enough already to make the AGM at best a formality and at worst almost an anachronism (almost - as it'll be needed when the comitee all get senile we vote them off).

[MattW]

Thing is, if people see the proposals and don't mind either way (or there is nothing "major") then they don't go - and go racing instead. Maybe clubs should be asked not to hold meetings on the day - or at least not major meetings?? you can't really forse them though i guess

[David Church]

Ashley, It seems as if you are wanting to change the rules just to suit your situation. I think things are about as good as they could be, on race day that is, I have been to the Euro's 3 times now, and we DEF!!!!! have a superb run series here!!!!!

As far as going to the AGM, I would like to go, but..... it means another 400 mile round trip, minimum, from down here. I am all for supporting our section, but is there any other way to participate without another long distance drive, maybe via internet or something??????

[_sleigh_]

Thing is, if people see the proposals and don't mind either way (or there is nothing "major") then they don't go - and go racing instead. Maybe clubs should be asked not to hold meetings on the day - or at least not major meetings?? you can't really forse them though i guess

It does say in the Constitution section of the Handbook that NO BRCA sanctioned meeting are to be run on the date of the AGM. ;)

[tc2k]

But if i dont get my f4 this year thats it im giving up. I also wish with 4wd it was 2 to count instead of 3 as then i could have my marston result and if i do good at kiddy my kiddy result and i should be up there.

A


If i dont get my f4 i will be highly annoyed the ammount of money and effort ive put in.

A

So basically your saying youll give up if yoiu dont get your way and get your license grade up and that you think the rules should be changed based on your own experience. Also, dont matter what kit youve got, if you cant take it round the track well enough, dont make no difference.
:rolleyes:

[ashleyb4]

Im not annoyed about the money ive spent on my kit the reason i spend so much is to stop things being unreliable I would have no chance of getting my f4 or improving if i had cheap speedo's an motors that where for ever playing up all the time. Im more annoyed about the amount of money ive spent putting brand new tyres on for every regional. And having to pay my mum an dad fuel money. But its all fun fingers crossed i should get my f4 and if i enter every national next year i should get in.

Anyways where going totally off topic now so lets back to the AGM.

A

[emzy]

I don't mean to be rude, but what's so important about going to Nationals?

When I first started doing regionals / the odd National, I much preferred regionals because there were more people at my level that I could be competitive against and I could actually race. I mean, racing's what its all about - its no fun to be out of your depth. I mean, even now I don't enjoy 2wd Nationals so much because I'm always 3rd or 4th bottom final and I can't really do much about it. 4wd I'm battling for higher finals so its more fun, more competitive.

Its not the end of the world if you don't get your F4, or you don't get into Nationals. I don't think I did Nationals until my 4th-ish year of racing but I loved my club racing and regional racing. Don't get disheartened - I know you WANT to go to Nationals, but at the end of the day, they're not all that.

Race at regionals, club meetings and just ENJOY racing.

[super__dan]

Just realise the 2nd round of the Worksop series clashes with this :(

[_sleigh_]

Very bad planning on their part then.... Something similar happened with a different club last year.

I refer back to my previous post....


It does say in the Constitution section of the Handbook that NO BRCA sanctioned meeting are to be run on the date of the AGM. ;)



I understand what others said about low attendance at the AGM could well mean that the committee are doing a great job and there's no complaints, but it would be nice to see a few extra faces turn up and get a feel for how things are organised behind the scenes. Let's face it, the current committee members aren't going to be around for ever, and at some point they will need people with the equally good skills to replace them.......

[ashleyb4]

The reason is i love racig so much i want to race more and more and if i only do regionals i will proberly only end up doing 10 meetings a year which is poo. Also when everyone is at nationals ill i want to do is be there not just for racing to see all the people i know off line and dont hardly get to see.

A
I don't mean to be rude, but what's so important about going to Nationals?

When I first started doing regionals / the odd National, I much preferred regionals because there were more people at my level that I could be competitive against and I could actually race. I mean, racing's what its all about - its no fun to be out of your depth. I mean, even now I don't enjoy 2wd Nationals so much because I'm always 3rd or 4th bottom final and I can't really do much about it. 4wd I'm battling for higher finals so its more fun, more competitive.

Its not the end of the world if you don't get your F4, or you don't get into Nationals. I don't think I did Nationals until my 4th-ish year of racing but I loved my club racing and regional racing. Don't get disheartened - I know you WANT to go to Nationals, but at the end of the day, they're not all that.

Race at regionals, club meetings and just ENJOY racing.

[Stu]

Very bad planning on their part then.... Something similar happened with a different club last year.

I refer back to my previous post....

Quote:
It does say in the Constitution section of the Handbook that NO BRCA sanctioned meeting are to be run on the date of the AGM.



Is the Woksop thing just a club series, rather than BRCA sanctioned?

[_sleigh_]

Yeah it is Stu, but for a club holding a new series, with the aim of attracting loads of racers, it seems a bit silly to clash with the AGM... I was just using that rule to make the point, as I know there was mutterings last year when it happened.

Also it look like Worksops March date is around the "normal" date for the Indoor Finals.

[MattW]

yeah, like i've said, i have to agree with Phil that i don't think it's good if clubs hold "big" meetings on AGM day. Nothing you can do to stop them, but it's not great IMHO

[4_cell_racer]

Seriously though, there must be something that the oval guys are doing right, or something we're missing? Because 15 attendees is bloody awful really!

I think the reason there's more peeps attending the AGM for 12th Oval, is cos the stock car peeps don't want to be in the 21st centery :rolleyes: still using there mech speedos :wtf:

[Lee Martin]

my proposed rule is for less F1 drivers.

i think they should be the cream of the crop and only 15 or so should get F1...make it special again and increase numbers at F2 level...and in doing tht....F3 level too.

Lee ( mastermind )

[Chris Doughty]

my proposed rule is for less F1 drivers.

i think they should be the cream of the crop and only 15 or so should get F1...make it special again and increase numbers at F2 level...and in doing tht....F3 level too.

Lee ( mastermind )

I would support that one

[Chris Doughty]

do we have a list of the proposed rule changes so far?

when is the closing date?

[Lee Martin]

well i want to put that rule forward....

how do i do so??

and seconded by doughty

[Kopite]

i third it!! and that's coming from an F5

[_sleigh_]

well i want to put that rule forward....

how do i do so??

and seconded by doughty

You need to e-mail the proposal to Charlie Fraser, make sure you have details of the person who 2nd's the proposal.

[Lee Martin]

wats his Email phil..

[Lee Martin]

got it

[ashleyb4]

Its in the BRCA hand book

EDIT: to late

A

[_sleigh_]

here you go - sheila_charlie@bigfoot.com

[Lee Martin]

all sorted. email sent!

[spenner]

Lee,

With regard to your rule change, you need to go through it bit more in detail. Reason i say this is, if you cut F1's down to 15 and increase F2's there will be a large amount of F2's. This could then mean some very good F2's (who were F1's) may not get in nationals, if they do not apply for all 6!!!!

I would in my view go for a total review of the formula system.
Licences:

Top 20 from 2wd and 4wd National Series gain F1
The next 30 again from 2wd and 4wd National series gain F2

Regionals:
Do away with F2 licence gained at regionals as some regions are not as strong as others.
So,
you can then gain F3,F4,F5 at regionals in the same way aas now.

Benefits:
The top 50 in both classes would be more identified and also gain entry to Nationals if applied for.
Better spread for lower graded drivers and those that commit to the series have better chance of entering.
Would increase attendance at end of season finals as there would be less F2's, F3's would be bigger. Regional Championships excl. F1's would increase as there are more drivers across the board eligible.

There are a couple of things in there that could be ironed out!! What do you think to that???

Oh, i would lose out as im on for gaining F1 licence so it is not being biased....

[Lee Martin]

well if u move the top 15 to F1...the rest just wrks as a percentage....

so in theory it just shifts down.....

u will end up in the end with more F5's...........

maybe even make an F6 formula.

something needs to be done as F1 is just not special anymore...and end of season finals are suffering frm so many F1's

[Wraggy]

F1 is just not special anymore...

aww Lee you not feeling special ;) :D :D :D
your very special !!!!!!:p :p NEEDS !!!!!

[spenner]

Thats sort of what im saying, think 15 is little low 20 yes. Looking at the points if you went 15 then you have people like Truman, Cree, Moss and others who all make A finals etc close to not making it. And if you go through top 20 i would sasy 90% have or are very close to making A's.

You then got too look at the next lot of people who down to about 50th in Nationals excl. top 20, are gonna be up and coming or quick. You can't still have the F2's from regionals graded the same as these drivers!!!

Forget having another grade as you could go on forever.

We need to identify the best, and that would be:

F1 = Top 20 drivers in country
F2 = Next 30 best drivers in country
F3 = Top 20% Regional drivers excl. above
F4 = So on and so on
F5 = blah blah blah

[_sleigh_]

John, seems a viable idea :)

Only thing I can see is the F3/4/5 finals have a larger pool of driver that could attend, which is great. But.. the BRC's would be almost the some pool of drivers, with the addition of the 30 F2's from Nationals. Making both E.o.S. finals virtually the same.

It could be that the two meetings could be combined into say.. the F2/3/4/5 finals...Not sure how we could incorporate the Juniors/Veteran finals though..

Just some thoughts....

[Northy]

I like the idea of only getting F2 at Nationals, but not sure on reducing the F1's, but then again, I'm a little biased ;)

G

[spenner]

Phil,

See what your saying but im pretty sure if you look at the end of season finals this year im willing to bet you would have the same sort of drivers anyway.

And if the system was done properly the BRC would be your top 5 from each region and then the next lot made up the rest....

Oh, and i also feel the end of season meetings NEED to be in the midlands every year on neutral surface, as these are one off meetings and there are regional drivers who attend. So make it easy for them....
Perhaps running these meetings in conjuntion with shows to help promote the hobby at the same time ????

Don't know just ideas!!!

[Lee Martin]

maybe the top ten at the F3's get an F2 grade....

[spenner]

Lee,

what about F3 Champion = gains F2 licence

Regional Chapion = Gains F1 Licence

These drivers then have to wear a yellow jersey for all Nationals!!!!!:D

[spenner]

Just thinking to make things special for everyone....

World champs should wear Tartan
Euro champs, Pink

Anyway back to the serious talk

[_sleigh_]

I do think something similar would work Pidge...

Say... the top 3 F3/F4/F5 at E.O.S. finals get an automatic place at the Nationals the following year (should they wish to enter).. This would hopeful encourage a few more entries at the finals.

Same could work for the Top 3 Juniors / Veterans at that Finals meeting too.

[spenner]

Here is one that isn't a rule but im sure it's more of a sporting thing!!!

Positions on rostrum:
The top 10 are called up and choose position, could we not have drivers entering rostrum by position for all finals ?????

I only think it is fair if you are pole you have earnt your place, you have hardest job in the race as the only way is down!!!
You don't want that made worse by someone standing in your place!!

It's a small thing but i feel we should reward everyone as each final is a final.

[spenner]

Hate to say it but if we feel some of these are good ideas, we need to say so as it will do nothing just talking about them on here!!!

[_sleigh_]

I'm with you on that John... Like you say it's really good sporting conduct. But a suttle hint from the Ref at the start of each final might help.

The only exception would be for "small bods" that can't see when stood in a certain position on the rostrum... but this should be a common sense thing really...

[Northy]

I think that is a great idea (the rostrum thing)!

After a 3 1/2 hour wait at Soutport, to race from my best ever qualifying position (from pole), I had the time thing, shadows on the track making it hard to see and standing in a totally different place to contend with. Needless to say I went backwards at the start, and didn't really feel happy until a few laps in when I started to pull a few places back :mad:

G

[Chris Doughty]

defo on the rostrum thing...

also not allowed to 'move' after first (or maybe second) praccy (for qually)

if you miss or are late for your praccy, tough luck, go find another space

[Lee Martin]

yeh defo on the space thing...

i think top 15 drivers get F1. top 5 at F2's get F1 and top 5 at F3's get F2......

incentives all around....

i have emailed charlier about the top 15 getting F1.

we need a mass proposal for all this now

[super__dan]

Idea from me, all driver penalties should be made known public. That they had one and what the penalty was. Maybe published at the end of round or something?

[_sleigh_]

Please propose that Dan, I'll second it.

Perhaps it's something we could ask Rob Nelson to include in the BBK software, so it automatically prints off at the end of each round.

[spenner]

Anyone want to second the Rostrum thing then and i will send off to charlie ????

[stuartw]

Please propose that Dan, I'll second it.

Perhaps it's something we could ask Rob Nelson to include in the BBK software, so it automatically prints off at the end of each round.

Doesn't the program already do this?
Might be wrong but i thought that if a 10sec penalty was applied the finishing time was shown as (for example) 13 laps - 317.65p.
However Stop/Go penalties are not seen by the program, as it is just an extra few secs on a lap.

[Northy]

Anyone want to second the Rostrum thing then and i will send off to charlie ????

I'll second it if no one else has already.

G

[spenner]

Cheers Northy, all sent.

[ashleyb4]

I like pidges idea on the F1 one thing i would like to see possibly more license grades as i find that there are splits in the licence grades like there are the top F1's and the lower F1's and there are top f2's and lower F2's so maybe we could increase it to something like 10 forumlar grades. So you can be put into a more acurate group as if you put at a meeting that your an F3 if you where lowest f3 you could be put in with the highest f3 and possibly strugle.

Thoughs on this so possibly have f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 f7 f8 f9 f10

so it would be like lee said top 15 are f1 then the next say 15 are f2 then so on all the way down wih suitable percentages or ammounts of people per licence grade.


What do you guys think???

A

[_sleigh_]

Doesn't the program already do this?
Might be wrong but i thought that if a 10sec penalty was applied the finishing time was shown as (for example) 13 laps - 317.65p.
However Stop/Go penalties are not seen by the program, as it is just an extra few secs on a lap.

I think it does do the Time penalties, but does it do things like warnings???

Also Marshalling penalties..

Either way, i think the idea of recording penalties is a good one... Whether it's manually done, or on the race program, we can work that out..

[Lee Martin]

ash, uve gone abit OTT with tht one.....5 is enough really i think.....

[stuartw]

I think it does do the Time penalties, but does it do things like warnings???

Also Marshalling penalties..

Either way, i think the idea of recording penalties is a good one... Whether it's manually done, or on the race program, we can work that out..

It shows Score corrections using a c after the time. The problem here may be that after a heat1 has finished,it is discovered that a lap has been missed from a car, so it is manually adjusted , so the time will show a correction. If a Marsahalling penalty were to be applied, then again, the time would have to be manually corrected and the adjusted time would show a c - unless a rework of the program was done, how would it differentiate between a missed lap correction and a marshalling penalty?
Over to Rob for that I think!!
Also, is a Warning a Penalty? I can see the point however, of recording Warnings, as 2 or 3 warnings could be turned into a 10sec or 1 lap penalty.

[GRIFF55]

I like the going omto the rostrum in order suggestion. Perhaps the refs should be a little more strict on shouting off there too? (it can be off putting)

[neiloliver]

I agree with the order on the rostrum for finals, but what about qualifying? It is not possible to be called up in turn for this because it would take too much time, but it WOULD be possible to divide the rostrum into ten equal segments (tape on the rail). The numbers 1-10 (stuck on a 2"x3") plastic carrier with a hole in it) could be placed in a bag and pulled out at random by the ref at the starts of each round and placed on hooks left to right under each segment. This would randomise the standing position for each round. This would prevent any pushing to get onto the rostrum first and prevent bunching up at one end which happens at some tracks.

?N

[emzy]

I disagree with the set places thing. There's certain places on the rostrum that I basically CAN'T race from and that has the potential to spoil my entire meeting. Also, changing position each round would be even worse from my point of view.

[PaulRotheram]

maybe alter the rostrum position proposal.. to having the pole man chooseing the side he wishes to start, and the position on the rostrum. then the rest of the racers choose wherever they wish to stand instead of forceing them.

As said, some people can't see from certain angles, i'm prone to it my self on some tracks, for example.. bury metro, i cant see the end of the straight from the right hand side of the rostrum, barely in the middle. Also the same with southport, I cant see the last exit from the right side of the rostrum..

Make the pole man choose for him self, random for everyone else. win win.

[Bathy]

One way to increase the number of people attending the AGM would be to hold it on the Friday or Saturday evening of the last National i.e. Stotford this year… just an idea, I’m sure there is a good reason why its not held at this time but it would make sense based on the numbers of people that will be in attendance that weekend.

This would only cover 1/10th huh, just thinking, so not great for all the others... ho hum

[jcb]

I like the idea of having a system for deciding where everyone stands on the rostrum. Be it random placing of numbers on the rostrum or simply first digs at where you want to stand based on your heat / final number.
It's fair for everyone and would stop the mad rush to get on the rostrum for your final, and the jiffling round between practice runs and qualifying.

Also like the idea of being able to get a grade through the end of year finals as Pidge suggested. Not sure on the top 15 being F1, as it could make for a large ability gap in other gradings unless the % for how you gained your licence were changed. However it could help out with increasing the numbers at the end of year finals.