TRF502?

[DaveG28]

Rc Market have mentioned a TRF502 part number 42183, anyone heard anything of this??

I've got 2 brand new 511 kits in my spare room, doh!:(

[Funkymojo]

Yeah i saw the exact same post from RC Market. I do know that Tamiya is releasing a new TRF 4wd but i never expect it to be so soon. My local Tamiya distributor did tell me that it's been confirmed that the TRF501x and TRF511 are both discontinued.

[Nige]

Seems a strange number pattern: 501 --> 511 --> then back to 502? :eh?:

[DaveG28]

Seems a strange number pattern: 501 --> 511 --> then back to 502? :eh?:

Yeah bit odd, maybe this is totally new, 511 was the same "philosophy" as 501.

Anyone fancy a bnip 511!?

[Rob_B]

How much ?:thumbsup:

[Rich D]

Ill stick with my 511 for this winter anyways ! Cant imagine it is going to be light years ahead of the 511 when the current car seems about the best all rounder on track already !

[GRIFF55]

How can they make the 511 any better????? Good luck the weekend amish, show 'em how good the trf's are!!!!:thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

How can they make the 511 any better????? Good luck the weekend amish, show 'em how good the trf's are!!!!:thumbsup:

Ooooohhhhh yyyyeeeeaaaaaahhhhh!!!

You banned Bav from the booze?

[Funkymojo]

My guess is that it's going to be similar to the TRF501x/TRF511 but with little updates to make lipo packs fit better...

[simoncrabb]

Rc Market have mentioned a TRF502 part number 42183, anyone heard anything of this??

I've got 2 brand new 511 kits in my spare room, doh!:(

You've got WHAT in your spare room? And the world has been wondering where they've all gone!

[DaveG28]

You've got WHAT in your spare room? And the world has been wondering where they've all gone!

Hehehe, jokes on me now though!

Word on RCtech is new car is shaft drive I think from one of their drivers over there, so pretty new, though they may still leave the geometry alone!?

[Funkymojo]

Is the TRF511 that hard to come by? It's everywhere from where i come from and sadly it's not popular over here, even with good parts support, the TRF501x/TRF511 was never a really popular choice compared to Kyosho, AE, HB, Yokomo...etc, but i have to say that the TRF501x/TRF511 are great handling buggies, it's very easy to drive.

[/tobys]

So...what stores do you recommend in Singapore?

And has anyone else had experiences with these retailers or buying R/C from Singapore in general?

[mattybucks]

I bet it's a hoax!!

Details of any singapore sites would be good.

[Fabs]

The rumor I heard was that of a plastic chassis to replace the 511 because supposedly the team drivers are faster in practice with the durga...

[Fabs]

You've got WHAT in your spare room? And the world has been wondering where they've all gone!

Not sure what you're talking abt, Champ has them in stock...

[Alan1467]

The rumour I heard was a TRF 1/10th off-road 4wd shaft drive

[DaveG28]

The rumour I heard was a TRF 1/10th off-road 4wd shaft drive

Probably plastic shaft drive! A Tamiya take on the B-Max and FS, I think Yok and Kyosho dominated the Japan champs recently from what I could see, maybe Tamiya have decided to go down a similar route!

I still think they'll go big bore soon too, again following K and Yok, otherwise why give away the gold shocks with the 201?

[TRF_AK]

People in Hong Kong need to keep quiet about sensitive information. All questions will be answered at the Tokyo Hobby Show.

[qatmix]

I also heard the info about it being a shaft car. They are also releasing a M06 pro chassis (rwd) in Nov

[Mr. Red]

Think about it. If Fredrik hadn`t invented the diff cover, the 511 is pretty much useless on loose dirt tracks. Tamiya has not made one of their own and from what I have seen the Japanese race a lot on loose dirt. Pretty much in the rest of the world also.

[DaveG28]

People in Hong Kong need to keep quiet about sensitive information. All questions will be answered at the Tokyo Hobby Show.

Well you don't need to look too hard to see who, they post under their store name

Can you at least confirm it IS a 4wd 1/10 offroad trf?

[blitzboy]

Very interesting thread guys but if tamiya do bring a new 4wd out to replace the 511 and make it shaft drive then don't change Tue geometry surely this will ruin the car as the tamiya seems to drive so well as belt and from experience with a lot of shaft drive 4wd that I ve run when I had a go with a 511 I will admit it wad far better than any shaft drive kit I've never owned ...for me belt drive is awsome I just can't bring myself to get a back loan for a 511 with all the upgrades costing a total of 700 from what I was told its too much for me but will say if it was cheaper then I would

[Rich D]

Very interesting thread guys but if tamiya do bring a new 4wd out to replace the 511 and make it shaft drive then don't change Tue geometry surely this will ruin the car as the tamiya seems to drive so well as belt and from experience with a lot of shaft drive 4wd that I ve run when I had a go with a 511 I will admit it wad far better than any shaft drive kit I've never owned ...for me belt drive is awsome I just can't bring myself to get a back loan for a 511 with all the upgrades costing a total of 700 from what I was told its too much for me but will say if it was cheaper then I would

if you buy wisely then you can knock a hundred or so off that G. You dont need all the upgrades, just depends how much bling you want really ! I reckon you could build a reliable non bling 511 for around £500 rolling chassis.

[DaveG28]

When is the hobby show?

[Rich D]

When is the hobby show?


http://www.tamiya.com/english/show0210/show0210_1.htm

This is Dave ?

[Welshy40]

Shaft drive sucks. If Tamiya drop this 511 then they will never get my bysiness again.

[DaveG28]

http://www.tamiya.com/english/show0210/show0210_1.htm

This is Dave ?

I wondered, but the rate is after the quoted lsunch date so I think it's from years ago, they say they're launching the TB Evo 3, aren't they on the 6 already?

[Nige]

http://www.tamiya.com/english/show0210/show0210_1.htm

This is Dave ?


Those dates are for 2002, but normally shows are around the same time every year so we're looking mid-next month!

[TRF_AK]

Well you don't need to look too hard to see who, they post under their store name

Can you at least confirm it IS a 4wd 1/10 offroad trf?
The problem is that the stores get the information from their agents who are the ones who need to stop releasing this information. This information is given to us with specific dates that it cannot be given out before.

Based on the dates, I cannot disclose anything right now. When I can, I will come here first. :thumbsup:

You guys SHOULD be happy when the details come out.

[DaveG28]

The problem is that the stores get the information from their agents who are the ones who need to stop releasing this information. This information is given to us with specific dates that it cannot be given out before.

Based on the dates, I cannot disclose anything right now. When I can, I will come here first. :thumbsup:

You guys SHOULD be happy when the details come out.

No worries, can you at least confirm when the hobby show is itself, I am failing with google!?

[TRF_AK]

Haha, yes it is mid October. I don't have the calender in front of me, but I believe it is the weekend of the 16th and 17th. I believe a list of items being shown will coming out week aftger next as well, but will probably get leaked out more next week. Once the items are posted, I can talk more about it.

[helmet993]

Thanks Andrew, it is pretty cool having an insider from Tamiya post on this forum!

[TonyV2382]

Think about it. If Fredrik hadn`t invented the diff cover, the 511 is pretty much useless on loose dirt tracks. Tamiya has not made one of their own and from what I have seen the Japanese race a lot on loose dirt. Pretty much in the rest of the world also.

Thats exactly right. On looser tracks out here in the US, it is pretty much useless and the whole car would need a rebuild if you ran it on such a track. Astro/carpet or hardfloor you'll be golden...maybe even hardpacked dirt, but no racer I know out here would run a belt driven car on a looser track outdoors.

This is where shaft shines...but I loved my 501x. Best thing Ive ever driven. But had to go rango for the days I race outdoors. Cant beat shafts reliability and gear diffs are sweet. But I always had a TRF in my arsenal...now its the 201. If tamiya change it to shaft I will go back to their 4wd.

[4wdfull]

I've had no problems racing on any kind of dirt track with my 511. If your undertray is cut properly and you use velcro and the diff dust covers there should be no problem. It seal tighter than any 4wd I've ever driven.

I did have a weight come lose and get lodged in the rear diff housing but that was my fault. In short....best 4wd buggy ever..... Having said that I would like to see a tub chassis option just becaus I don't like undertrays.

[carnage]

Having said that I would like to see a tub chassis option just becaus I don't like undertrays.
There is one, it's called the DB01R, Not as much bling but fully sealed drivetrain

[Jan Larsen]

If your undertray is cut properly and you use velcro and the diff dust covers there should be no problem
Precisely. A properly cut and installed undertray together with Fredriks gear covers and the car will be as dirt capable as any shaft car.
Also, I've been using the car in the rain on numerous occasions this year (due to the shit climate we have here) and theres not a drop of water inside the car after a heat.

[CraigM]

While I don't have a problem running my 511 on dirt tracks here in oz I still like the idea of a shaft driven TRF with sealed gearboxes. They also have 416 gear diffs in the pipeline so maybe they'll find a way to shoehorn them into the car and we'll have a TRF durango

[muratti]

If it would be that Tamiya are releasing a Shaft driven TRF i would be back again with Tamiya. I just bought a AE B44 this year as my first non Tamiya car since 11 years because the track i race on is loose dirt and as i realized from a friends DB01R how many problems he had with his diff i found it wiser to not even have the risk of damaging my diffs or rebuilding them every 10 battery charges.
The B44 is just perfect for my track.

[mof]

If it would be that Tamiya are releasing a Shaft driven TRF i would be back again with Tamiya. I just bought a AE B44 this year as my first non Tamiya car since 11 years because the track i race on is loose dirt and as i realized from a friends DB01R how many problems he had with his diff i found it wiser to not even have the risk of damaging my diffs or rebuilding them every 10 battery charges.
The B44 is just perfect for my track.

Interesting. The DB01R has sealed drivetrain (if you just remember to seal it as the manual suggests) so it shouldn't be an issue... it wasn't for me at least on my DB01.

[peetbee]

as i realized from a friends DB01R how many problems he had with his diff

:confused: Having a slipper installed and the 501 diff halves in the rear makes the diffs as bullet proof as any other car out there, did he have any of that?

[Balders]

I wonder if it will be like:

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/ishywest/index.html

:D

[muratti]

Yes i know it sounds strange but he always had trouble to set the diff right and maintenance was a problem. I agree a sealed drivetrain as in the DB01R shouldn´t be a problem for any track in the world but the loose dirt on my track can be a problem...

[t8rtot]

http://www.speedtechrc.com/store/ebproductdetail.asp?catmainid=52&id=10253

[seankyew]

well it's as everyone expected: a shaft drive buggy. now the next question would be whether they come with gear diffs...

[t8rtot]

I'm wandering if this will replace the 511 now or if its just another option to belts.. seems kind of odd to have a buggy winning like the 511 is and just replace with a completly new car. I hate to see them go in this direction.

And as for gear diffs... ehhh.. probably not. I would like to see them but I don't think Tamiya will ever step too far away from Assoc and Kyosho are doing.. big bores? That would be nice.

[muratti]

http://www.speedtechrc.com/store/ebproductdetail.asp?catmainid=52&id=10253

Why should only Speedtech have the info everyone else doesn´t have?
I would LOVE it if Tamiya does a Shaft driven 4WD buggy, i would buy 4 of them. But i have to agree to my previous speakers it would be extremely strange to win the Euros with a belt driven and then release a shft driven buggy....

[Fabs]

I think they will probably have both cars running in parallel, like they do with the TRF41X and TB Evos...

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Start saving money then Johannes!;)

[DaveG28]

Does anyone "know" that it's a full kit rather than a conversion?

I'm guessing full kit just because otherwise I'd imagine they'd be producing more 511's!!

Dave

[SHY]

I've also heard rumors that Tamiya is gonna make a shaft-drive 4WD next.

Looks like the 501 is discontinued but the 511 is still available:
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/category.php?sub-id=36450&page=2

They can't seriously have discontinued the 511 already???

[sosidge]

http://www.tamiya.com/japan/hobbyshow/index.htm

From the horses mouth - a TRF502X to be shown at the Tokyo hobbyshow next month.

[kentech]

Same in English:
http://www.tamiya.com/english/hobbyshow/10THS_index.htm

1/10 R/C TRF502X Chassis Kit
1/10 R/C 2WD Buggy 【Tentative】TRF201 basic version
OP TRF201 Slipper Clutch Set 【Tentative】

[kentech]

http://www.tamiya.com/trf/images/trfrace2010/jm_off_1.jpg

http://www.tamiya.com/trf/content/view/1270/191/

Translated text! :eh?:

A JMRCA entered two national championships to offload the main shaft drive 4WD buggy TRF, [TRF502X (tentative) 』decision as presented at the All Japan Hobby Show!

August 27 - 29 Yatabearinaofurodokosu (Tsukuba) Japan National Championship was held in off-road JMRCA, TRF (Tamiyarashingfactore) from the previous housing Satoshi, Kawano Takayuki an entry.
Tournament, TRF is a new shaft to put the buggy 4WD Open Class. The new power source is a brushless motor TRF511 Leveraging expertise from other Sasujiometori & chassis balance Shafutodoraibumashin mind sought to use each type of battery, the final prototype was completed in this war.

Shakedown of the new shaft drive and compete in the qualifying race is suddenly the best points in Round 2 Round 4 4WD buggy is ranked # 08 before qualifying residence. And Kono, Japan's first challenge was to mark off-road at the time the final round in fifth place overall. Compatibility with the new car show master of off-road against Japan and former champion, get qualified seventh overall. 2 A table with a good result to advance to the main!

The new shaft drive 4WD buggy was held October 16-17 at Makuhari Messe on "The 50th All Japan Model Hobby Show" will be presented!
The machine name TRF502X (tentative) Please follow tuned!

http://www.tamiya.com/trf/images/trfrace2010/jm_off_3.jpg

[DaveG28]

Good stuff, same shells and shock towers in the pics, hope thats true for the kit as it saves on spares etc!!

Mentions batteries, hope to god it's lipo compatible from the start, I am not serious about dremels!!

Anyone spot the 201 slipper on the item list for the show, wonder what's going on there!?

[sosidge]

If the "tentative" release is a base model 201, then the slipper would just be an option for that.

Maybe getting a bit ahead of myself now, but it's possible that Tamiya intend to make the 201 a mass market chassis as well, rather like the DB01/501 relationship.

[simoncrabb]

Prediction: shaft-drive, geared-diff cars will be THE car to have in 2011.

From any manufacturer you care to choose!

[SHY]

Hmmm... I think this is a wise decision from Tamiya, both the 2- and 4WD cars are now going to sell big!

It'll be the 2nd "no brainer" after AE B4 & B44... can't go wrong there!

[mof]

I don't know if the pic is visible here (it is an attachment at rctech forums here (http://www.rctech.net/forum/7912749-post22.html)).

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/electric-off-road/639484d1283938098-tamiya-trf502-thread-ta-42183-trf502.jpg

About the Model
-Highly durable chassis consists of carbon fiber upper and lower decks and utilizes many aluminum
parts.
-Features an optimized weight distribution designed to match lightweight, block-shaped batteries.
-Shaft-driven 4WD system with the front-mid motor in a longitudinal position offers superb stability
and handling.
-Uses the TRF511’s proven suspension system.
-Kit also includes:
Front/Rear Carbon Fiber Damper Stays
Front/Rear Aluminum Suspension Mounts
Front/Rear Large Ball Differentials
Spur Gear with Built-In Slipper Clutch
Aeration Dampers
Front/Rear Universal Propeller Shafts
Full Ball Bearings

[hashiriya]

Just to add to the poorly translated piece above, it mentions the use of the suspension geometry knowhow gained from the 511 and optimised design for Brushless and square shaped batteries.

It seems its designed for LiFe/LiPo use already.

edit wasn't refereing to mofs post which seemed to appear as I was typing this.

[SHY]

No gear diffs from Tamiya yet then...

Anyone know of any other manufacturer besides Durango that will offer gear diffs? (for 4WD)

AFAIK it's not a very good option for 2WD.

I'm wondering also when it will be taken a step further... Since we're now starting to see gear diffs in 1:10, my guess is that options will soon be available like for the 1:8 buggies - i.e. Torsen Diffs etc...

And what about a center diff??? (like in 1:8)

[Fabs]

Another BJ4 worlds clone... BORING

[mattybucks]

I think it's disapointing that Tamiya are releasing another 4wd TRF 18 months after the 511 was released.

[mof]

I think it's disapointing that Tamiya are releasing another 4wd TRF 18 months after the 511 was released.

So... when was 501 released, and how long did it take to release 511? :)

[cmgreen]

looks like a b44 / bj4we to me

[peetbee]

And what are the chances of a DB01esque version to take stick packs, maybe call it the DF04?!!

[Oliv996]

Looks rather like a MiD44 regarding the upper decks :D

[muratti]

Start saving money then Johannes!;)

Oh i will Fredrik, believe me! I really start thinking this is true. What i wanted since the Top Force Evolution is about to happen. I AM EXCITED! If it will be presented mid October i wonder how long they will take until the final release date?!? Maybe around February?

[Fredrik Emilsson]

I think december release Johannes. Santa will hopefully deliver one.:)

Tamiya is building a strong "base" with different versions of TRF201 and the TRF502X and TRF511.
I´m very excited!

[mattybucks]

I think december release Johannes. Santa will hopefully deliver one.:)

Tamiya is building a strong "base" with different versions of TRF201 and the TRF502X and TRF511.
I´m very excited!


What are the different versions of the 201? Only because I might get one.

is there another version of the 511 being released?

[seankyew]

What are the different versions of the 201? Only because I might get one.

is there another version of the 511 being released?

i think the new 2wd buggy will be based on the trf201 but in a reduced spec version, maybe with plastic shocks, steel turnbuckles, etc.

[TRF_AK]

TRF502x = shaft drive 511. Same chassis layout and all, just shaft drive. Kind of like Evo 5 to 416 but in offroad.

201 Basic = stripped down TRF201 that can actually be upgraded to the TRF version through hop-ups. Will come with body (V2), wing, wheels and tires as well.

[fastinfastout]

disappointing to hear of the carbon chassis, would rather plastic or composite to keep the kits cost down. Looks like another trf 4wd I cannot afford:(

I still prefer a 511 belt drive anyday even though I dont own one.

[DaveG28]

TRF502x = shaft drive 511. Same chassis layout and all, just shaft drive. Kind of like Evo 5 to 416 but in offroad.

201 Basic = stripped down TRF201 that can actually be upgraded to the TRF version through hop-ups. Will come with body (V2), wing, wheels and tires as well.

Ah, so is the slipper they've announced just the current slipper but the new "base"'model won't come with a slipper as standard?

[Nige]

TRF502x = shaft drive 511. Same chassis layout and all, just shaft drive.


If the 502X and 511 share a lot of parts I wonder if Tamiya will make another batch of 511's -then people can choose between belt/shaft.

Though I do wonder why Tamiya have made this change after so many years of belt driven 501/511's.

[DaveG28]

TRF502x = shaft drive 511. Same chassis layout and all, just shaft drive. Kind of like Evo 5 to 416 but in offroad.

201 Basic = stripped down TRF201 that can actually be upgraded to the TRF version through hop-ups. Will come with body (V2), wing, wheels and tires as well.

Hmm, I can see it having quite an impact on handling though. If the cad style drawing is right, the 502 has far less to stiffen it, the 511 has long Ali centre bulkheads, this has thinner armed top decks and less metal, so I'd guess more flex?

Have you guys been given any expectations on release dates?

[AaronR]

I sure hope the design of the front shock tower attachment is well done.

I have seen many HB D4s constantly ripping off the front diff case if the front shock tower took the brunt of a crash.

Oh well. Look forward to the news, but I'll be keeping my 511.

[qatmix]

I think they could keep both. As mentioned earlier trf make a shaft and belt top end tourers for different classes and tracks. So why not sell both types of offroad chassis? They seem to have alot of similar parts.

Personally the trf417 is an tempting purchase for me as it's a true lipo ready trf tourer. And a mclaren 2009 f1 shell for my 104 pro is something I have been after.

[JensK]

I sure hope the design of the front shock tower attachment is well done.

I have seen many HB D4s constantly ripping off the front diff case if the front shock tower took the brunt of a crash.

Oh well. Look forward to the news, but I'll be keeping my 511.

Good point. Diff caising on D4 often broke in crashes. Hopefully tamiya has a good solution for this...

Also very interested in how the handeling will be. IMO the 511 handels and jumps so good because of its belt drive and the rotation of mass in the car...if you take that away, without any other geometry changes, will it handel just as well??

[Fredrik Emilsson]

If you look at the new models, you don´t think Tamiya is trying to attract more customers?
They are not just making new models for current customers, biggest market should be "non Tamiya" drivers?

They will have shaft-driven 4WD buggy for those who prefer that. They have belt-driven buggy for those who prefer that.

They strip of the 201 all the expensive parts and release an entry level TRF 2WD to attracts beginners. Lower price, but upgradable.
Tamiyas success on the racetracks must be easy to relate to. If you have same car as Lee Martin, but with less option parts, it is still easy to do that.
The DB01<-->TRF501X is not same. You can never upgrade your DB01 to TRF specs. Close maybe, but still just close...

Would´nt be surprised if the 502X will be released as a "Basic" model too. Shaft-driven makes it easier for beginners.
Just some thoughts...

[Matisse]

that picture looks an awful lot like the pic of the new ansmann xpro4 te buggy, are we sure its actually a cad drawing of the 502?

seems unlike tamiya to release such a sketchy image.

[CraigM]

Looking forward to it. I really like the 511 but without those bling diff enclosures the open drivetrain can be a bit of a pain on dirt tracks like the ones we have here in oz.

[muratti]

If you look at the new models, you don´t think Tamiya is trying to attract more customers?
They are not just making new models for current customers, biggest market should be "non Tamiya" drivers?

They will have shaft-driven 4WD buggy for those who prefer that. They have belt-driven buggy for those who prefer that.

They strip of the 201 all the expensive parts and release an entry level TRF 2WD to attracts beginners. Lower price, but upgradable.
Tamiyas success on the racetracks must be easy to relate to. If you have same car as Lee Martin, but with less option parts, it is still easy to do that.
The DB01<-->TRF501X is not same. You can never upgrade your DB01 to TRF specs. Close maybe, but still just close...

Would´nt be surprised if the 502X will be released as a "Basic" model too. Shaft-driven makes it easier for beginners.
Just some thoughts...

I totally agree Fredrik. These would be thoughts of a company. Why not share lots of parts have only low costs of development because things like suspension geometry, damper, general layout are already fixed and produce a car that is for all people who don´t like belt drive or race on very loose dirt tracks like mine here in Austria or many tracks in Australia or in New Zealand as some people wrote. Sure with the diff cover also a 511 can be racxe on dirt but without a doubt a shaft driven car is bulletproof in that case.
All people who race 4WD buggies either race belt driven or shaft driven cars. If you can offer both from one company you have at least the potential to influence 100% of buggy drivers.
It´s just like VW, Skoda, Seat, Audi and partial Porsche. They share many same parts but are very different. Low costs for Audi but a much higher price in the end because of the big familiy. Seems Tamiya is doing similar things.
As for the jumping i drive a B44 at the moment and the Tamiya TRF502X will be very close to this. All i can say is that it jumps absolutely neutral. You can easily affect jumping so i don´t think the shaft drive along with another motor position will jump much different as the B44.

[Smartalec]

Hopefully the 502 will just be an alternative to the 511 and not the successor as i'd see that as a backward step.

The 511, for me, has been a fantastic car this year and i'd hate to change to something that's not as good. We'll have to see how Lee and Co get on with it, trouble is, with his ability everything looks good LOL

From the picture it certainly looks like another B44/BJ4 clone, I know it says that it has the 511 proven suspension but surely the handling of the car is not all down to the suspension, a lot of it has to be down to weight distribution so I doubt it would run the same as the 511 with the motor on the opposite side and facing a different direction :confused:

I'm sure the quality of the car will be second to none and if it's proven to be as good or better than the 511 then we'll all jump at it.

I just hope that we're all given the choice and the 511 production continues :thumbsup:

[kentech]

http://www.racingfactory.fi/502x.jpg

[Northy]

Loving the BJ4 clone references..... :D

G

[DaveG28]

Loving the BJ4 clone references..... :D

G

Yeah, it's odd, the suspension has been a clone all along, and once it's shaft drive it's difficult to not look similar, it's like people are complaining at the 502 being a clone when all the copying really went into the 501 :woot:

[mattybucks]

Yeah, it's odd, the suspension has been a clone all along, and once it's shaft drive it's difficult to not look similar, it's like people are complaining at the 502 being a clone when all the copying really went into the 501 :woot:

And the 201, at least Tamiya are copying decent cars and making them better 501, 201, 502.......... they've not tried to copy a cougar or cat yet I wonder why??

[Northy]

Yeah, it's odd, the suspension has been a clone all along, and once it's shaft drive it's difficult to not look similar, it's like people are complaining at the 502 being a clone when all the copying really went into the 501 :woot:

Indeed, the 501 was just a belt driven BJ4..... :D

G

[sosidge]

And the 201, at least Tamiya are decent cars and making them better 501, 201, 502.......... at least they've not tried to copy a cougar or cat!!!

You never know... if a Cougar or Cat had Tamiya build quality, they might turn out to be a decent car after all! :woot:

[TRF_AK]

Ah, so is the slipper they've announced just the current slipper but the new "base"'model won't come with a slipper as standard?
The slipper is listed as a hop-up for the TRF201 and new base 201, but no other details. They way it seems is that it is just the standard 201 slipper, but don't take that as set in stone yet.

I would expect it to be released in December/End of November.

As for another batch of 511s, I can tell you that Tamiya USA is getting another shipment in shortly.

[DaveG28]

The slipper is listed as a hop-up for the TRF201 and new base 201, but no other details. They way it seems is that it is just the standard 201 slipper, but don't take that as set in stone yet.

I would expect it to be released in December/End of November.

As for another batch of 511s, I can tell you that Tamiya USA is getting another shipment in shortly.

Good news, it's a class car so glad there's more available!

Is there a public anticipated release date for the 502 iris it still to be determined?

[JohnM]

Indeed, the 501 was just a belt driven BJ4..... :D

G

Or just a copy of Yokomo's BX;)

[Smartalec]

Anyone planning on getting a 502 and wanting to rid themselves of a 511 please let me know as i'm looking for a spare :thumbsup:

[Battle_axe]

I don't know if the pic is visible here (it is an attachment at rctech forums here (http://www.rctech.net/forum/7912749-post22.html)).

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/electric-off-road/639484d1283938098-tamiya-trf502-thread-ta-42183-trf502.jpg

About the Model
-Highly durable chassis consists of carbon fiber upper and lower decks and utilizes many aluminum
parts.
-Features an optimized weight distribution designed to match lightweight, block-shaped batteries.
-Shaft-driven 4WD system with the front-mid motor in a longitudinal position offers superb stability
and handling.
-Uses the TRF511’s proven suspension system.
-Kit also includes:
Front/Rear Carbon Fiber Damper Stays
Front/Rear Aluminum Suspension Mounts
Front/Rear Large Ball Differentials
Spur Gear with Built-In Slipper Clutch
Aeration Dampers
Front/Rear Universal Propeller Shafts
Full Ball Bearings

Why's this look like our x4proTE .

[bert digler]

And the 201, at least Tamiya are copying decent cars and making them better 501, 201, 502.......... they've not tried to copy a cougar or cat yet I wonder why??

lol:woot:

[TRF_AK]

More detail.

[/tobys]

According to the CAD drawing, it's got the same kind of rubbish motor mount the B44 has :thumbdown:

[nitrokillah]

i think this 502 looks Hot .

comparing it to a BJ4 / B44 :o:o
Hahah. Come-on guys you gonna have to do better then that .

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/review501x/frontarmsanim.gifhttp://www.oople.com/rc/photos/review501x/reararmsanim.gif

[Gaz_Stanton]

According to the CAD drawing, it's got the same kind of rubbish motor mount the B44 has :thumbdown:

Used to have...

http://www.m-k-racing.com/product_info.php?products_id=7853 :thumbsup:

[/tobys]

yes but that's the hop-up item, unless it's now in kits?

TBH, with brushless, I change the motor so infrequently it's not that much of a hassle - except when I have to change motor or pinion :lol:

[DaveG28]

Hmm, almost looks like there's two distinct options on battery position, though those holes could be for the undertray etc!? Also looks like a full air vent below the motor this time, but what I can't quite see is how that motor position works with the 511 shell they've been running, it won't finunder it will it, the air vent won't line up to fit it under either!? :confused:

[GRIFF55]

The hole under the motor is like most of the shaft drive cars mate. I do think that the 511 shell would fit over the layout. Hey, just go build that other belt drive beauty, you know you want to:thumbsup: Cant go wrong with the 511 mate. Wait and see how this goes

[MattADH]

More detail.

Am I right in thinking that on the third image, it looks like the car has more negative camber on the right front than the left...

[TRF_AK]

The beauty of CAD :p

The TRF511 shell is what the TRF drivers used at the JMRCA.

[moth898]

is it me or does the right seem to be low on both pics....a side effect of the shaft drive tork maybe:thumbdown:

[cmgreen]

Loving the BJ4 clone references..... :D

G


The bj4 we shell would even fit :lol:

[Mr. Red]

is it me or does the right seem to be low on both pics....a side effect of the shaft drive tork maybe:thumbdown:

He he, my thought exactly. Have been having a discussion on swedish forum regarding the position of the motor. I believe the motor should be placed like on the Durango or Kyosho FS. Think both the B44 and yokes and what not are wrong. And now this. Am I totally wrong or what?

Otherwise this car looks awsome. Especially like the large diffballs bit. Works great on the 511 and touringcars. Much like if you have wide tires on your real car. Better traction.

[MRD]

I can't believe what a B44/BJ4 copy that is. Surely they could have come up with something a bit different.

Thing is those cars were designed with heavy NiMh's in mind. We don't use them anymore so why have the cells at the back so we have to add weight.

Com'on Tamiya. You're getting as bad as Ansmann.

[DaveG28]

I can't believe what a B44/BJ4 copy that is. Surely they could have come up with something a bit different.

Thing is those cars were designed with heavy NiMh's in mind. We don't use them anymore so why have the cells at the back so we have to add weight.

Com'on Tamiya. You're getting as bad as Ansmann.

This is the bit I don't get sorry, what did you expect? The suspension/dampers/towers are carry over 511, and when you make it shaft what are your options, motor has to go either front or rear and to the side, rear means putting the cells at the front, they are STILL the heaviest item, you still need them at the back!! It's very difficult to make stick lacks fit past the spur without a very wide car, so what did you think they'd do? It's either a bj4 copy or a Durango copy, that's their two options!

As I said earlier, if you want to have a go about copying, do it about the 501!!

Oh, sorry, forgot, they could have made it plastic and you'd have called it a bmax clone!!

Ultimately, it will almost certainly have unique weight distribution, the top decks are clearly different design/flax, the steering will probably end up being Tamiya (a guess admittedly!), and the suspension carries ver from their own Euro/Brit champ winning 511, what more would you expect?

[RBX]

I wonder if the trf502 will give birth to a DB02 and it will be a plastic chassis shaft driven sport racer Durga II!?? hmmmmmm

[MRD]

This is the bit I don't get sorry, what did you expect? The suspension/dampers/towers are carry over 511, and when you make it shaft what are your options, motor has to go either front or rear and to the side, rear means putting the cells at the front, they are STILL the heaviest item, you still need them at the back!! It's very difficult to make stick lacks fit past the spur without a very wide car, so what did you think they'd do? It's either a bj4 copy or a Durango copy, that's their two options!

As I said earlier, if you want to have a go about copying, do it about the 501!!

Oh, sorry, forgot, they could have made it plastic and you'd have called it a bmax clone!!

Ultimately, it will almost certainly have unique weight distribution, the top decks are clearly different design/flax, the steering will probably end up being Tamiya (a guess admittedly!), and the suspension carries ver from their own Euro/Brit champ winning 511, what more would you expect?


I expected something with a bit more individuality, something that stands out as a Tamiya with some forward thinking ideas. I understand that options are limited but Durango and Kyosho managed to differ from the BJ4 and still have good cars.

[DaveG28]

I expected something with a bit more individuality, something that stands out as a Tamiya with some forward thinking ideas. I understand that options are limited but Durango and Kyosho managed to differ from the BJ4 and still have good cars.

Until you see them side by side you've no idea how similar the 502 is to the b44 though?

Having said that, I bet when it does happen it turns out to be pretty bloody similar :lol:

[Fabs]

Tamiya never make innovative cars, what they're best at doing is make a car that's a blend of all the good ideas on the market, and add the tamiya quality...

[MRD]

Thats probably right for the TRF cars but the normal stuff is pretty funky like the FF03 Pro with front motor front wheel drive and IFS. They've had some other crackers like the TA03F and the 3Speed High lift.

Thats the reason I own all those cars, I like the oddball stuff :thumbsup:.

Got about 30 tamiyas now.

The new pro drift car is quite tastey too.

[Fabs]

Yes I meant proper TRF cars with numbers, TC and Off Road alike.

Maybe the TRF 211X was a little different but since?

[muratti]

Tamiya never make innovative cars, what they're best at doing is make a car that's a blend of all the good ideas on the market, and add the tamiya quality...

They so since a few year, basically since there is TRF. Remember the Avante or the Egress, not as they were good racers but you have to admit they were kind innovative and way ahead of their time.

The 502 is exactly the car i was waiting for since i stopped racing my Top Force Evolution some years ago!! :thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

They so since a few year, basically since there is TRF. Remember the Avante or the Egress, not as they were good racers but you have to admit they were kind innovative and way ahead of their time.

The 502 is exactly the car i was waiting for since i stopped racing my Top Force Evolution some years ago!! :thumbsup:

I'm looking forward to it too, all the negativity on here about shaft drive kind of ignores that before this year the last 3 years uk nationals were won by shaft drive, there's clearly nothing wrong with it! And it's not like the b44/bj4 has been unsuccessful!!

[GRIFF55]

+1. I'm looking forward to seeing/getting one of these in the flesh. Being TRF, it will be hard not to be good, clone or not.
I will be keeping my 511, but have one of these for a play:thumbsup:

[njc11]

Why dont you all look at the Kyosho Lazer FS2...???? Tamiya have seen this car and are worried..:p

Thats shaft drive...

and has a nicer shade of blue too on all the ally bits! :woot::lol:

Kyosho will be a force in 2011!!

:thumbsup:

[MikePimlott]

Why dont you all look at the Kyosho Lazer FS2...???? Tamiya have seen this car and are worried..:p

Thats shaft drive...

and has a nicer shade of blue too on all the ally bits! :woot::lol:

Kyosho will be a force in 2011!!

:thumbsup:

16757 :woot:

THATS A JOKE NICK

[qatmix]

There ain't no nicer shade of blue than the Tamiya one ;)

I am looking forward to seeing how the 502 and 417 perform. I'm saving already although I hope they release it with a new shell though, as the 511 is a minger compared to the 501x

[muratti]

There ain't no nicer shade of blue than the Tamiya one ;)




:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[5POINTSTAR]

is it me or does the right seem to be low on both pics....a side effect of the shaft drive tork maybe:thumbdown:
Its you dumbo!

Anyway, I am digging the thought of Tamiya keeping the 511 in production (hopefully) along with this new shafty :woot:. Like mentioned earlier, the TRF 41X's and TB EVO's have been complimentary tourers for nearly 10 years :)....

[Migs]

I wonder if the trf502 will give birth to a DB02 and it will be a plastic chassis shaft driven sport racer Durga II!?? hmmmmmm
i'd hope the db02 would still be belt drive, but 501x/511 layout with the saddles in the rear, motor up front

[TRF_AK]

I wonder if the trf502 will give birth to a DB02 and it will be a plastic chassis shaft driven sport racer Durga II!?? hmmmmmm
Well, the DF03 chassis is being discontinued from what I can tell, so it wouldn't be that far fetched honestly. Let's hope for the best!

[simoncrabb]

i'd hope the db02 would still be belt drive, but 501x/511 layout with the saddles in the rear, motor up front

Naah, Tamiya ALWAYS do a stick pack layout for plastic cars - the bashers are a huge part of their market.

DB02 would be a plastic shaft drive, stick pack down one side, electrics down the other.

[peetbee]

Would it be a DB02 though or a DF04?!

It'll take them a while to release it though as they will have to think of a more reeeediculoous name to replace the Keen Hawk and Durga!

[mof]

According to what I heard, trf502 should be a bit cheaper than trf511 (still on the expensive side, though).

[muratti]

According to what I heard, trf502 should be a bit cheaper than trf511 (still on the expensive side, though).

That would be much unconvenient i think. I have no problem with a cheaper TRF502 though :)

[DCM]

Would it be a DB02 though or a DF04?!

It'll take them a while to release it though as they will have to think of a more reeeediculoous name to replace the Keen Hawk and Durga!

With the DB-01 Dirk Diggler and Baldrick, we got to have a DF-04 Ron Jeremy!

[qatmix]

Would it be a DB02 though or a DF04?!

It'll take them a while to release it though as they will have to think of a more reeeediculoous name to replace the Keen Hawk and Durga!

It would be a df04. Probably called something like the log munch or something which translates badly.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

I think TRF502X "Basic" version, so no aeration dampers etc. Same platform though.

[MRD]

Its gotta be the DB02. The DF series don't share any of the parts from the 501/511 so there would be no reason to call it a DF04 ;)

[peetbee]

Its gotta be the DB02. The DF series don't share any of the parts from the 501/511 so there would be no reason to call it a DF04 ;)
the df01 doesn't share any parts with the df03 either, nor does the df02 share many parts with either.

Anyway we are getting away from the discussion about the BJ4WE, er I mean 502! ;)

[muratti]

the df01 doesn't share any parts with the df03 either, nor does the df02 share many parts with either.

Anyway we are getting away from the discussion about the BJ4WE, er I mean 502! ;)


You´re right peetbee, does anyone know the following: in th CAD drwaing it looks as if the Slipper can only be adjusted when out of the car, or can you adjust it buy holding the 7mm Lock nut with a gripper while someone else turns the wheels to make it tighter or looser? This would mean you need 3 hands to adjust it...

[fastinfastout]

You´re right peetbee, does anyone know the following: in th CAD drwaing it looks as if the Slipper can only be adjusted when out of the car, or can you adjust it buy holding the 7mm Lock nut with a gripper while someone else turns the wheels to make it tighter or looser? This would mean you need 3 hands to adjust it...
I can see a spring on the slipper with an adjustment nut, which is similar to my Hot bodies D4 and you dont need 3 hands to do the job

[Fabs]

Or you could use a 7mm key there's well enough space in the top deck for that. Hell it might even be provided :p

[Migs]

Naah, Tamiya ALWAYS do a stick pack layout for plastic cars - the bashers are a huge part of their market.

DB02 would be a plastic shaft drive, stick pack down one side, electrics down the other.
yeah fair call, though its not impossible for them to set the car up so it could cope with both layouts, i guess it was more of a hope than a prediction, lol

[Crazy L]

Speculating once more, it could be called a DS01, as in D "Shaft" 01. similar to D "Belt" 01 or DB01.

Anyone wonder why the DTs were 2wd and the DFs were 4wd? Clue's in the name, DTwo or DFour, of course, I'm just guessing and I like to think that the letters do actually mean something rather than some slant just messing around with his alphabeti spageti at teatime.

[kentech]

Not necessarily much new in there, but posted the official Tamiya Japan product presentation text and all the CAD pictures yesterday @

http://kentech.blogs.se/

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/kentech/502x-xxs.jpg

[muratti]

Not necessarily much new in there, but posted the official Tamiya Japan product presentation text and all the CAD pictures yesterday @

http://kentech.blogs.se/

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/kentech/502x-xxs.jpg

Ha, just wanted to post the link to your blog asi saw it today! :thumbsup: Nice mate, keep up the good work:thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

Inch sized balls, wow, that is a BIG diff :p

Typo I assume!

[DaveG28]

So it does look like batteries can be moved into a forward or rear position, interesting tuning aid! Hard to tell how accurate the drawings are but doesn't look too roomy for electrics!!

Any word on release date yet, is October feasible?

[cmgreen]

Looks like a Bj4we clone/ b44 to me, they have enough room for electrics!

[DaveG28]

Looks like a Bj4we clone/ b44 to me, they have enough room for electrics!

Don't get me wrong, it probably is a clone (as discussed earlier around suspension) but can you think of any possible shaft design they could have done which you wouldn't have accused of being either a b44, a Durango, or a Bmax clone??

[muratti]

Don't get me wrong, it probably is a clone (as discussed earlier around suspension) but can you think of any possible shaft design they could have done which you wouldn't have accused of being either a b44, a Durango, or a Bmax clone??

This is exactly what i was thinking when reading the posts from people complaining about this being a BJ4/B44 clone. If you want something totally different to what exists you could probably invent something like a Tamiya Egress but i highly doubt it would have a chance against the modern designs buggies....

[muratti]

So it does look like batteries can be moved into a forward or rear position, interesting tuning aid! Hard to tell how accurate the drawings are but doesn't look too roomy for electrics!!

Any word on release date yet, is October feasible?

I don´t think so. as mentioned earlier the Plamodel show will be around mid October, after the Hobby Show it always takes about 8 weeks to get the items to the sellers. I think we can HOPE for a TRF502X under the Christmas tree. This will be my favourite Christmas since years :)

[DaveG28]

This is exactly what i was thinking when reading the posts from people complaining about this being a BJ4/B44 clone. If you want something totally different to what exists you could probably invent something like a Tamiya Egress but i highly doubt it would have a chance against the modern designs buggies....

Exactly, fact is that the top decks, cell position, steering system, upper arm mounts, front and rear bulkheads and front shock tower mounting are all obviously different to the b44. The motor mount and motor/spur position looks the same but could be different. The suspension geometry is copied from the 511 (which copied the 501, which copied the bj4). Nothing about the 502 is a clone except the suspension which understandably has carried over the copying! Admittedly imperial diffs are suspect, has to be a copy!!

[kentech]

I don´t think so. as mentioned earlier the Plamodel show will be around mid October, after the Hobby Show it always takes about 8 weeks to get the items to the sellers. I think we can HOPE for a TRF502X under the Christmas tree. This will be my favourite Christmas since years :)

Official release should be November for the 502.
Exact dates should be known next week I think...

[TRF_AK]

Inch sized balls, wow, that is a BIG diff :p

Typo I assume!
Nope, not a typo. When Tamiya says "inch sized" they are referring to the fact that the balls used are measured in standard terms instead of metric. So, instead of the traditional style 3mm diff balls, these will be the 3/32 from the TRF201 and FF03. All Tamiya diffs seem to be going this way since the 417 will also be using this style diff.

[DaveG28]

Nope, not a typo. When Tamiya says "inch sized" they are referring to the fact that the balls used are measured in standard terms instead of metric. So, instead of the traditional style 3mm diff balls, these will be the 3/32 from the TRF201 and FF03. All Tamiya diffs seem to be going this way since the 417 will also be using this style diff.

It's ok I was having a laugh with it, big ball diff with each ball 1 inch diameter!

[mof]

Nope, not a typo. When Tamiya says "inch sized" they are referring to the fact that the balls used are measured in standard terms instead of metric.


Although for the rest of the world (non US) metric is the standard... :wub

[craigosh]

Looking at those Cad drawings it looks to me that the motor is further forward. Possibly the spur is in the exact middle of the car, on the BJ4/44 it's shifted more to the rear. Cells deffo look to be further forward in that drawing. Big space in front of the motor on the BJ/44 that you can fit a speedo in easily..

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Big ball diff is not the same as big diff balls...;)
Would also be large diff balls? Correct grammar or?

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Looks like a Bj4we clone/ b44 to me, they have enough room for electrics!

So who cares? As long as it has TRF performance and quality.
If they had made all new design it would probably be a lot of "Why did hey do that?" "It´s not gonna work..."

If 511 is just a clone, why does it perform better?

You make small adjustments on you setups, often hard for the eye to see. Still those adjusments make big difference?

[telboy]

So that'll be a hot bodies D4 then?:eh?:

[muratti]

So that'll be a hot bodies D4 then?:eh?:

I really don´t understand you guys. Instead of being happy that the 4WD scene gets a bit of diversity with the 502X you keep moaning about another clone, well at least the Hotbodies D4 is a new one in the clone list :woot:

[Oliv996]

Here is a comparison between the CAD top view of the TRF502X and the first release of the MiD44'08 chassis (blue lines on the following pic): :wtf:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6057/trfmid502x.jpg

[cmgreen]

Don't get me wrong, it probably is a clone (as discussed earlier around suspension) but can you think of any possible shaft design they could have done which you wouldn't have accused of being either a b44, a Durango, or a Bmax clone??

Originality would be nice, somthing radical like the durango

[Carno]

So that'll be a hot bodies D4 then?:eh?:

Only the body :D

But I agree with Frederik. The little things can make a big difference.
Copy the things that are right and improve the things that are wrong.

Bit dull I agree. But effective!

Sidenote: Seems tamiya usa has 511's in stock again. Last batch or will tamiya give the offroaders a choice between belt and shaft?

[DaveG28]

Here is a comparison between the CAD top view of the TRF502X and the first release of the MiD44'08 chassis (blue lines on the following pic): :wtf:
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6057/trfmid502x.jpg

So, everything is different except the length?

[DaveG28]

Originality would be nice, somthing radical like the durango

Except not obviously, as then it would be a Durango copy!!

Plus the "originality" there was a while ago....hand crafted by Gerd-commercialised design to production able by Serpent-sold as Durango. Most of the actual originality there was donkeys years ago!!

Plus...this is shaft 511, that's what they wanted, so how can anyone expect wildly different, "Oh let's change the 2 time Euro winning, UK winning car completely jut for the sake of it", not much broken to fix really was there!?:confused:

[PredaTom]

So, everything is different except the length?

:confused: Everything is the same!! All is at the same place, except a little difference for the packs!

For info, the design of our MiD44 '09 Evo2 hereafter (especially the top decks).
Tam has cloned our car!! :D

http://i55.tinypic.com/23tr0gw.jpg

[DaveG28]

:confused: Everything is the same!! All is at the same place, except a little difference for the packs!

For info, the design of our MiD44 '09 Evo2 hereafter (especially the top decks).
Tam has cloned our car!! :D

http://i55.tinypic.com/23tr0gw.jpg

Sorry, am I misunderstanding you, are you claiming they've cloned the top decks? Despite both being a different shape with different cross bracing and certainly the front with different mounting positions (and the back from looking at it, the Tamiya top deck stops in front of the rear end, doesn't the mid go further back!?:confused:

Then the weight distribution is different, the steering mechanism is different, hard to tell just from CAD but it looks like Tamiya are using their touring idea of mounting the steering to the top deck in a single central place to change flex characteristics!? I had misread the diagram though, the motor looks in the same place!?

So basically, it has shafts and a motor in the same place, and the rest is different (they both took their suspension geometry from earlier cars), so it's a clone!?

[Oliv996]

For sure not the same car... but starting points were the same:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6858/trf502xvsmid44.jpg
http://yfrog.com/mhtrf502xvsmid44j

http://yfrog.com/mhtrf502xvsmid44j

[jhammond]

I think this whole "clone" thing is a little silly.

It's a 4WD shaft-driven buggy. What do you expect it to look like?

Although I grant that there have been some more unusual 4WD concepts such as Georg Kotzinger's B4.1 which is shown on Jimmy's report:


http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/euros2010/day2/




Oh, and how about the second one shown here from Atomic Carbon, truly brilliant in the sense of nouveau:

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/ooplerace2010/

[OldTimer]

Looks to me they are copying what i did with the S4 and the S44 about 4-5 years ago by moving the motor further forwards :woot: they worked great and i am sure with Tamiya quality this will also be a great car.

Will be nice to have a choice of belt or shaft 4wd tamiya's :thumbsup:

Also looks like you can swap the diff's around inside the casings, so it would be possible to move the motor position around. And i think you could get a stick pack of lipos in there as well.

[GRIFF55]

Ah no, what ideas have you got now!! hahah:thumbsup:

[CraigM]

:confused: Everything is the same!! All is at the same place, except a little difference for the packs!

Tam has cloned our car!! :D
They didn't clone the ugliness :woot:

[PredaTom]

What a bad faith!! Ah ah ah!!

[kentech]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/kentech/502-1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/kentech/502-2.jpg

[Oliv996]

They didn't clone the ugliness :woot:
Love your sense of humor :thumbsup:

[mof]

For sure not the same car... but starting points were the same:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6858/trf502xvsmid44.jpg
http://yfrog.com/mhtrf502xvsmid44j

http://yfrog.com/mhtrf502xvsmid44j

By "starting points" you mean it has the spur in the same location in relation to the tires? :eh?: That is not like they cloned the whole damn thing or it's concept... or anything :)

[5POINTSTAR]

Originality would be nice, somthing radical like the durango
Like others did the TRF/TechRacing 414 Tourers years ago :confused: :bored:

[Gayo]

What a bad faith!! Ah ah ah!!

:thumbsup:

[Rich D]

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TamiyaTRF502X.jpg

No blue titanium, HL Cylinders or gold shafts then !

[GRIFF55]

still, a damn good looking high quality tamiya again!!:thumbsup:

Where do you fimd these sneaky pics rich?

[Rich D]

still, a damn good looking high quality tamiya again!!:thumbsup:

Where do you fimd these sneaky pics rich?


RED RC mate

http://www.redrc.net/tag/news/

[TRF_AK]

He had them as soon as we posted them :thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

No more dumb aerial position! Still looks tight for elec space, tho luckily I use low profile servo anyway!:thumbsup:

Overall I like it, looks the usual Tamiya quality! Can't wait for a confirmed release date, tho I think I already have all the hop ups needed so at least won't have to hunt round for them:woot:

Do you know if it's getting a new shell, and if the shell is included?

I see random small shock tower changes, I hope the mounting holes are the same so the 511 versions fit!

[fastinfastout]

finally a chassis with no lipo cut outs

[fastinfastout]

No more dumb aerial position! Still looks tight for elec space, tho luckily I use low profile servo anyway!:thumbsup:

Overall I like it, looks the usual Tamiya quality! Can't wait for a confirmed release date, tho I think I already have all the hop ups needed so at least won't have to hunt round for them:woot:

Do you know if it's getting a new shell, and if the shell is included?

I see random small shock tower changes, I hope the mounting holes are the same so the 511 versions fit!
who uses aerials these days, even with 2.4 receivers you dont need the aerial popping outside the body. This new car is no different to any other 4wd's on the market in regards to space. It jus looks prettier with a low profile servo, for marketing purposes, but I'm sure most guys will put the receiver on top of the servo, like how we currently do it in 4wd and TC.

[DCM]

That is soooo tempting!

[marco NL]

very nice:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/817/tamiyatrf502x.jpg (http://img805.imageshack.us/i/tamiyatrf502x.jpg/)

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cheers marco

[GRIFF55]

front tower looks the same dave, its only the rear has the change i'd say.
Goa have hop ups to make it look as sexy as my 511!!:thumbsup:

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Where is that spur gear cover shown on CAD-images?
Is it really as adjustable as the 511?
Are gearboxes easy to access? Looks like you have to remove camber mounts?
Are the shock tower mounts made of plastic?

[muratti]

I love it, a bit disappointing though that it doesn´t come with HL cylinders, gold shock shafts and blue turnbuckles. Will have to order at rdvtg soon!

[DaveG28]

front tower looks the same dave, its only the rear has the change i'd say.
Goa have hop ups to make it look as sexy as my 511!!:thumbsup:

I already have turnbuckles, shocks and shafts that were waiting for a new 511, now they'll just go on this!:thumbsup:

[MRD]

Nice :thumbsup:.

Wonder why they havn't used the 511 CF battery straps?

This might sit between the 511 and DB01R cost wise with the lack of ally F+R bulkheads.

Looks like it will lend itself well to a budget version too.

[GRIFF55]

looks like the four screws that hold the camber mounts, hold the gearbox tops also frederick.

[JohnM]

So it's just a HB D4 then in blue instead of purple:confused:

[DaveG28]

So it's just a HB D4 then in blue instead of purple:confused:

So presumably the D4 is just a bj4 clone but in purple instead of blue:confused: So at least the Tamiya is blue :thumbsup:

Not sure if this will be cheaper, there's more alloy in the bottom of the front/rear, but less height, I guess this will be similar to be honest!?

[/tobys]

would be nice if they could get this out at a B44 kind of price...

especially as there seems to be quite a bit of scope for hop-ups/alloy parts.

[DaveG28]

Not sure I'd bother getting the HL dampers....one side effect of the redesign appears to be that the top camber links have been moved further away from the shocks....the cynic in me wonders why that might be....

[Fredrik Emilsson]

It´s a clone of all other shaftdriven midmotor 4wd buggies on the market. :lol:

Now let´s just hope it is better than 501X and 511. Did those cloned cars ever perform any good? :woot:
I mean, they are only beltdriven copies after all...

[Mr. Red]

Good point Freddy.
Just let this clone talk be. Almost everything is invented already so somethings are just going to look the same even in the future. It is in the details the difference lays. Like different flex in the wishbones and geometry etc.

[nobby]

has anyone heard of a release date?

[Jan Larsen]

Latest was somewhere in December.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Tamiya says november.

[muratti]

Tamiya says november.

Don´t intend to be indiscreet but do you have some sort of special contact to Tamiya since inventing the Diff covers? You can answer via pm, forum if you don´t mind or no answer at all :(

I would HOPE for November, this would be very close to the Plamodel show in October though...

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Says "will be released in november" on their website.:)
Will probably be late november I guess.

Price (msrp) ~$760. So cheaper than 511 (msrp $867).

[muratti]

Ok, didn´t see that :) No probs if it´s a bit cheaper!

[marco NL]

The TRF502 preorder link should be online in 2 weeks on Speedtech R/C


http://www.speedtechrc.com/store/ebp...alpage=special


cheers

marco

[PaulUpton]

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TamiyaTRF502X.jpg

looks nice

[mattybucks]

Looks like a world beater

[RogerM]

Is it just me or do those diffs look really high relative to the inner hinge pins? Just an observation.

[DaveG28]

Is it just me or do those diffs look really high relative to the inner hinge pins? Just an observation.

Good point, the 511 has a high/low option on the diff, maybe thus fixes it high? Not sure how easy it is to change diff height on shaft drive!?

[Fabs]

They don't look any higher than they are on the FS to me Roger.

[_valtsu_]

Wow! Tamiya has finally realised that nimh batterys are history. There is no holes for nimh batterys in the chassis. :thumbsup:

[muratti]

Are there any informations if there will be a TRF511 Fairing version2 Body or will the 511 just fit? Or a special TRF502X body? Didn´t find any information on this.

[DaveG28]

Are there any informations if there will be a TRF511 Fairing version2 Body or will the 511 just fit? Or a special TRF502X body? Didn´t find any information on this.

Only thing I've noticed is they used v1 on the pictures from the Japan champion, so I assume it fits, bit worried about the undertray though!

[OldTimer]

Good to see they are NOT using plastic bulkheads front and rear like on the B44, boy do they flex :(

[njc11]

Good point, the 511 has a high/low option on the diff, maybe thus fixes it high? Not sure how easy it is to change diff height on shaft drive!?

Dave,
If its anything like the FS we have shims we put under the hinge pin holders,both front and rear... im sure it will be the same on the 502!
:thumbsup:

[RogerM]

Nick, front bulkhead design looks to be similar to the BJ4 style plate, not much scope for changing front hingepin height there if it is

[DaveG28]

Is it me, or are there no adjustments available at all for the inner camber link positions? Bit worrying, I actually found they make a bit of a difference on the 511...

Front hinge pin height isn't adjustable on the 501/511 either, but rear anti squat is, from the little visible so far I'd guess the 502 has the same rear hanger. Just hoping diff height is adjustable, I use that to not have to limit shock travel when on the inner wishbone hole on the current car. I normally wouldn't be fussed but with this car supposedly keeping the 511 geometry it would be nice to mirror existing setups!

[muratti]

Hey Dave what do you mean with adjustable Diff height? I have a B44 and i can´t imaginge how the diff could be adjusted in height... isn´t the height fixed by the gearcovers? Am i misunderstanding something? Or do you mean that the complete Gearbox can be lifted?

[Lee Martin]

i think your wrong Dave....if you look closer you can see 2 holes....then you can also adjust the washers...

[mattybucks]

i think your wrong Dave....if you look closer you can see 2 holes....then you can also adjust the washers...


Have you got one yet Lee? If not do you know when your getting one?

We you still be running your trusty 511 alongside the 502?

[DaveG28]

Hey Dave what do you mean with adjustable Diff height? I have a B44 and i can´t imaginge how the diff could be adjusted in height... isn´t the height fixed by the gearcovers? Am i misunderstanding something? Or do you mean that the complete Gearbox can be lifted?

I can't see it working in a shaft drive car as it effects the mesh but in the 511 you set belt tension by rotating an elliptical insert that sits on the outdrives. For any given tension there is a low position and a high position. Instead ofmlimiting the rear damper travel (which I think Pidge/Groff etc have done, they can correct me if I'm wrong) I just ran my diff low as it gives more droop without your driveshaft falling out!

It does have other handling effects as well though...

[DaveG28]

i think your wrong Dave....if you look closer you can see 2 holes....then you can also adjust the washers...

Your eyes must be better than mine mate!:p

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Lee just guessed. And guessed right. :lol:
There are 2 holes.

And car will probably be available end of october or early november.

[Gonky]

So where do people see the 502 fitting in with the 511 in the 4wd department then?

Are people looking to change over already?

[DaveG28]

Lee just guessed. And guessed right. :lol:
There are 2 holes.

And car will probably be available end of october or early november.

I'm with the guy who asked this earlier, where are you getting all your inside info??:p

[muratti]

I'm with the guy who asked this earlier, where are you getting all your inside info??:p

Hey Dave i´m Johannes, and yes Fredrik, you must have a special secret connection to Tamiya :woot:

[GRIFF55]

you can see the two camber link holes and washers under the mounts!
What i cant see is any way of changing the diff height, oh well, thats one less sut up option to worry about:thumbsup:

[Fredrik Emilsson]

I'm with the guy who asked this earlier, where are you getting all your inside info??:p

I´ve learned from Lee, I´m just guessing.:woot:

I´m hoping that Lee can teach me other stuff too, like how to drive?;)

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Probably posting old pic here, but just to show those 2 camber mount holes:
http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TamiyaTRF502X-3.jpg

To access gearbox you need to remove 6 screws. Since the camber mount is attached is to the top cover via the ball stud you also have to detach ball cup. One way to make it easier is to make a hole in the ball cup so you can remove (unscrew) ball stud without removing the ball cup.

Question is if you really can lift that top cover without removing top decks though? The 2 front screws under the top deck can be hard to access. Also, can you lift that top cover past the top deck?
In worst case you have to remove top deck (4 screws) and then another 6 screws to access gearbox.
Yeah, probably does´nt need to remove diffs as often as on the 511, but is is always nice to have a car that is easy/fast to maintain.
Just a few thoughts. Can be wrong, will see when car arrives.:)

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TamiyaTRF502X-4.jpg

[DaveG28]

Does anyone do Ball point 2mm drivers? Found the 2.5 a godsend on my nitro, would probably do the trick on those screws too! Although it still might not all lift out!

Can't wait to get my hands on one of these now, though still not sure why!!:woot:

[GRIFF55]

or dremel 2 notches in the top plate mate;)!

[stegger]

Does anyone do Ball point 2mm drivers? Found the 2.5 a godsend on my nitro, would probably do the trick on those screws too! Although it still might not all lift out!

Can't wait to get my hands on one of these now, thigh still not sure why!!:woot:

http://www.hudy.net/xhudy/products/proddesc.php?prod_id=27&kategoria=538

[dpackster1980]

Holy crap it's a D4 clone, hopefully they didn't use the same original pp diff design. :thumbsup:

[muratti]

Probably posting old pic here, but just to show those 2 camber mount holes:
http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TamiyaTRF502X-3.jpg

To access gearbox you need to remove 6 screws. Since the camber mount is attached is to the top cover via the ball stud you also have to detach ball cup. One way to make it easier is to make a hole in the ball cup so you can remove (unscrew) ball stud without removing the ball cup.

Question is if you really can lift that top cover without removing top decks though? The 2 front screws under the top deck can be hard to access. Also, can you lift that top cover past the top deck?
In worst case you have to remove top deck (4 screws) and then another 6 screws to access gearbox.
Yeah, probably does´nt need to remove diffs as often as on the 511, but is is always nice to have a car that is easy/fast to maintain.
Just a few thoughts. Can be wrong, will see when car arrives.:)

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TamiyaTRF502X-4.jpg


On the B44 it´s exactly the same as you said. You can remove top decks without removing the slipper cover and there are equally as on the TRF502X 4 screws for the Upper Deck and 6 screws for the gearbox.
I can´t wait to hold it the kit in my hands. If we only had November now :woot:

[mof]

gZOXR5JtIzo

[MikePimlott]

:drool:

[DaveG28]

Anyone quoting a real release date yet?

[muratti]

Anyone quoting a real release date yet?

I guess we will have a release date after the model Show which is from Thursday to Sunday.

[kentech]

Anyone quoting a real release date yet?

2010/11/27 for Japan...
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/42183trf502x/index.htm

[mattybucks]

If anyone is thinking of selling their 511 to fund there 502 purchase let me know as i'm looking for a spare car.

Thanks

Matt

[kydawg1]

.....will be watching for this one.

[Donutt]

2010/11/27 for Japan...
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/42183trf502x/index.htm

Google conversion for 68250 Yen is around £525 - hope it actually appears a little cheaper than that....

I think I'll get one and keep the 511 - compare them back to back on different surfaces....

[feniks]

same here.
will get one and test and compare them and than make a pik.

[kentech]

http://www.tamiya.com/japan/hobbyshow/news1010/report/photo/42183_2.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/hobbyshow/news1010/report/photo/42183_3.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/hobbyshow/news1010/report/photo/42183_4.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/hobbyshow/news1010/report/photo/42183_5.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/hobbyshow/news1010/report/photo/42183.jpg

[kentech]

Around 13 minutes in you can see the TRF department from the Hobby Show...you will see the TRF502 with all parts laid out separately there...

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10188505

[DaveG28]

I still think electrics space is tight, isn't that a low profile servo and only just enough room? Plus not sure you can fit anything in front of the motor with that steering arm?!

Kit looks nice though! End of November then, best get saving pennies!!:thumbsup:

[fastinfastout]

I still think electrics space is tight, isn't that a low profile servo and only just enough room? Plus not sure you can fit anything in front of the motor with that steering arm?!

Kit looks nice though! End of November then, best get saving pennies!!:thumbsup:
you can put a regular sized servo, and put the receiver on top

[mof]

you can put a regular sized servo, and put the receiver on top

Depends on the size of the receiver, of course...

[stegger]

A bit more space than the durango ;)

[fastinfastout]

I dont know of any recent receiver that could not fit on top of a regular size servo:confused:

plus if its bigger, the receiver doesnt have to completely sit on top completely

[Oliv996]

I dont know of any recent receiver that could not fit on top of a regular size servo:confused:

plus if its bigger, the receiver doesnt have to completely sit on top completely

Do NiCad battery pack fits in :D